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There is voice of reason in the midst of so much babbling nonsense.  Thanks Risto.  :)  

I am having to argue a bit with BitchicksHusband a little about not folding right now though.   I guess it is hard not to get emotional.  We did have to sell some of our holdings in December but bought back a little last week.  I think the hardest thing to wrap my brain around is the fact that BTC should be so much more valuable with all of the infrastructure that has been put into place during 2014.  Why hasn't some of the money used to build this infrastructure been used to boost the price up a bit?  Aren't these companies at all concerned about BTC users getting disillusioned and leaving BTC completely?  

Yes, and guess what? There is no law that compels me to mention it. I do it voluntarily, for my reasons. After going through this, and many other experiences, I know some things about how the world operates. People are able to learn it from my writings, but you can never learn very much if it is not verified by experience.

My dealings with the government started in 2005, by my reading of some conspiracist literature, which seemed to be alarmingly truthful when I compared it to the things I saw happening in the world. Already in 2008 I was so dangerous that an armed team of 8 guys was sent to my home at daybreak. Then came seizures and many court cases. Many perceive that Finland is a lawful country, with lawbreakers punished and law also granting rights to people. Well, miles of laws we have here, but if they are not expedient for the situation at hand, they can be broken by judges. I lost the recognition towards the judicial system after they too many times mistreated me, even against their own laws.

If I believed in my rights, I could have the hospitalization order re-examined, since the law requires me to be "dangerous to myself or others" for such procedure to take effect. Everyone knows that I have never hit another person, nor had a thought or word of hurting myself for over a decade. The only thing I am dangerous against, is the banking cartel. But I already know from experience that the judicial system is capable of straight-faced delivery of any verdict. So raising these matters in court does not help. Raising them here makes fools cry out: "look the guy's just come out from a nuthouse", but it's not the fools for whom I write, it is the wise - the people who understand things, and are here for learning, and contributing themselves.

If something in the above disqualifies me from being read, there's the "Ignore" button for that. Thank you.

In turn, I feel it a chore that your messages need to be "open"ed first before deletion, so please don't post. Thank you.

All this libertarian claptrap is a red herring used to pump the price.  Early adopters have major baggage that need greater fools to dump on.

The only thing anyone should look at when investing REAL money is the price action.  Bitcoin is a bubble that is deflating.  Anyone taking your advice would have been losing money.  

Don't forget he's also a September 11 "troother". There was another thread a few months ago where he shared some of his batshit crazy theories.

So to anyone who follows risto.. ask yourselves... "Should I be taking financial advise from a 9/11 troother was was admitted to a mental institution against his own will? If I told my spouse or friends about this, would they approve?" I'm guessing the answer is... NO.

Wow, those things are so related! Pro ad hominem!

Wow, those things are so related! Pro ad hominem!

Don't forget he's also a September 11 "troother". There was another thread a few months ago where he shared some of his batshit crazy theories.

So to anyone who follows risto.. ask yourselves... "Should I be taking financial advise from a 9/11 troother was was admitted to a mental institution against his own will? If I told my spouse or friends about this, would they approve?" I'm guessing the answer is... NO.

Don't forget he's also a September 11 troother. There was another thread a few months ago where he shared some of his batshit crazy theories.

So to anyone who follows risto.. ask yourselves... "Should I be taking financial advise from a 9/11 troother was was admitted to a mental institution against his own will? If I told my spouse or friends about this, would they approve?" I'm guessing the answer is... NO.

Why am I not surprised that most bitcoin bulltards are also 9/11 troothers? It's apparent that an aversion to reality is required to be a believer in bitcoin at this point.

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He now operates as a confidence man, and suckers in the economically illiterates into believing they're making a wise decisions to buy his bitcoin bags from him. Right down to the way that he uses a picture of himself as his avatar, in a suit and tie. And of course, like all con men, he can't respond to any criticism because he knows he's wrong, so instead he bans people from this threads and deletes any posts which don't look favorable to him. Unfortunately for him, some of us have a memory of more than +/- two days and can call him out on his bullshit.

Mods, please ban NotLambchop.  He has taken to deeply personal attacks now, and on this board it should not be tolerated.

I would also advise updating the sub forum rules about this.

Mods, please ban NotLambchop.  He has taken to deeply personal and uncalled for attacks now, and on this board it should not be tolerated.

I would also advise updating the sub forum rules about this.

So, I don't see the big deal in him knocking on Risto a bit.

But yet apparently no one can knock on NotFuckchop, who merely comes in here daily posting stupid memes and My Little Pony crap, and constantly just constantly bashing bitcoin INTO THE GROUND ad nauseam, sometimes posting on 5-6 threads at a time with literally like 30 secs to a min between each post.  Actually I get is see him (Ignored of course) on every fucking thread in this sub about 10-20 times a day, with absolutely NOTHING FUCKING POSITIVE TO ADD AT ALL PERIOD.

But yeah, let's defend NotFuckchop.  Sure.

.@Torque:
NotLambchop doesn't ask that those who disagree with him are banned, so there's that.
Now plz stay on topic or simply stop posting if you have nothing relevant to contribute.
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But yet apparently no one can knock on NotFuckchop, who merely comes in here daily posting stupid memes and My Little Pony crap, and constantly just constantly bashing bitcoin INTO THE GROUND ad nauseam, sometimes posting on 5-6 threads at a time with literally like 30 secs to a min between each post.  Actually I get is see him (Ignored of course) on every fucking thread in this sub about 10-20 times a day, with absolutely NOTHING FUCKING POSITIVE TO ADD AT ALL PERIOD.

But yeah, let's defend NotFuckchop.  Sure.

Knocking and banning are two separate things. If you don't like what he is saying then counter. He is pretty open about the fact that he is a troll -- which, in some ways, makes him one of the only honest posters.

I don't think personal attacks on anyone here should be respected or allowed. Rpietila has done nothing wrong except being a bit extravagant sometimes and being a megabull on Bitcoin for the long term. This is who he is, and I think he is often hilarious and funny. Whether someone chooses to listen or believe him is up to them. I like to believe we are all adults who can form our own opinion about matters and we certainly don't need someone like Lambchop watching out for us and warn us. Also why are you meddling in the affairs of Bitchick and her husband? I'm sure they are very much capable of handling their financial matters and their relationship themselves. In any case it's none of your business and talking about it the way you do just shows how low of a man you really are. Disgusting. That's all I have to say about this.

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Not even worth my time.

I don't think personal attacks on anyone here should be respected or allowed. Rpietila has done nothing wrong except being a bit extravagant sometimes and being a megabull on Bitcoin for the long term. This is who he is, and I think he is often hilarious and funny. Whether someone chooses to listen or believe him is up to them. I like to believe we are all adults who can form our own opinion about matters and we certainly don't need someone like Lambchop watching out for us and warn us. Also why are you meddling in the affairs of Bitchick and her husband? I'm sure they are very much capable of handling their financial matters and their relationship themselves. In any case it's none of your business and talking about it the way you do just shows how low of a man you really are. Disgusting. That's all I have to say about this.

These people ( Risto is just a member of the cult, the crazy one) who talk about how governments are oppressive, injustice and a group of thugs are using their right of freedom of expression, at the same time they delete, censorship and ban everything that contradict or don't serve their argument, talk about double standards.


imagine having these people in power....we will be just fucked up

The only time he has ever deleted my comments were when I was trolling him.

If you dont like his thread moderation skills, make your own and stop crying about how he decides to operate his threads.

Thanks  ;D

"I was so dangerous that an armed team of 8 guys was sent to my home at daybreak."

What is this supposed to mean? A SWAT team?

Not trollin', just genuinely curious about how situations are handled in Finland.

"I was so dangerous that an armed team of 8 guys was sent to my home at daybreak."

What is this supposed to mean? A SWAT team?

Not trollin', just genuinely curious about how situations are handled in Finland.

He made one good call in 2012 when he first invested, and since then, he's basically always wrong.

Calling the bottom at $500:

I still think that his bottom was ~$340.

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic...

Paranoia is a thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion.[1] Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself (e.g. "Everyone is out to get me"). [Wikipedia]

It is paranoid to think that "someone is after you" if there is no evidence whatsoever that it is indeed the case.

But hey, just a small list what the different government institutions have done to me:

- 2008 Armed raid by Customs to my home and office at dawn, seizure of all my&company valuable assets, copying all my data from my computer, illegally censoring the investigation report, illegally prolonging the seizure, no charges, no apology.

- 2011-12 The Financial Supervisory Authority has learned about a stock offering from one of my companies. Illegally deciding that secondary market is subject to initial emission rules, illegally deciding that multiple sellers count as one, after those twists deciding that the company (sic) has broken their law because the multiple-page prospectus was not certified by the authorities. The company was no part in any of the transactions,  did not receive any of the proceeds, it was a private deal. The company was ordered to redeem all the shares that the buyers want to sell, at the original price of the deal, which many did, since 12 months had passed from the deal and the share price was down in the meantime. (It's a bit technical to explain but this alone was such Kafkan 1984esque fuckery that it really gave me the feeling that is described as paranoia when it is not accompanied with actual deeds by the government institutions)

- 2011-12 Finland decides it's time to apply Finnish law to my Estonian company, Silverbank. Due to the Finnish law that forbids the word "pankki" (meaning: "bank") to be used in a context that could mislead the clients to believe that an uncertified financial institution is a regulated bank, I get sued to the court and fined for the crime of "calling Silverbank a bank even though it is not".
Problems with the procedure:
- not guilty (instead of calling Silverbank a bank, during the entire time of the court procedure as well as before, the first sentence in our landing page was "Silverbank is not a bank. ...") The technique of turning the truth diametrically upside down, accusing you of doing exactly what you are trying to avoid to do, claiming that you are calling it a bank when the website says exactly the opposite, was previously known to me only from books as a method of driving you crazy in brainwash camps.
- no jurisdiction (company is Estonian)
- only misleading use is forbidden - Silverbank did not accept deposits, grant loans or do anything that the regulated banks do, no overlap in any of the services; claiming that someone could in these conditions be unintentionally mislead to believe it is a regulated "pankki" is hogwash.
- law says only Finnish word "pankki" is subject to restriction, extension to foreign languages in foreign companies as part of their trademark, is complete perversion of justice.

- 2013 Denied access to bitcoin conference, thrown to mental facility instead, for the reason that my stories about bitcoin and recent happenings sounded unbelievable (nevertheless true, but that does not seem to count), there a member of staff came to my room without knocking about an hour after the silence, got enraged for seeing me awake, drugged me, and later that night proceeded to steal money from my locked closet with his reserve keys, even later bragged that he has done it constantly over 30 years and never has the client been believed. When I reported, they let me understand that the only one suffering from such a report is me, because it is a further proof that I am deluded. My position, without access to phone, computer, Internet, lawyer, visitors, regular diet, on forced medication, was such weak that I decided to skip it and then later on tell about it to a bigger audience. Revenge belongs to God, but it would be cool to have this guy locked in for his crimes against the weakest and most vulnerable.

(All cases where the perpetrator organization is not exactly known, and are therefore subject to interpretations, are left out. Neither are any civil cases counted. The above is in no way all the strange things that have happened to me. Attorney-at-law Matti Valtonen (http://www.aamv.fi/) has served me for over 10 years and can testify to that :D

Could they just possibly leave me alone? It is not about money, I am not that rich, and pay my taxes. It is about freedom. Thinking is outlawed. Writing to public fora is dangerous. It was my following and reporting the 2008 "bank crisis" (self-inflicted liquidity issue used as a pretense for more bankster power grab) too closely that got me into trouble in the first place. Still, I never had any proprietary information, no inside sources, nothing. Just public stuff from the 'net! Clearly the government has grown too big if they have time to harass people who recompile public information. Clearly the bankster influence in the government has grown too big if they can make it break its own laws, multiple times, to be able to conduct the harassment efficiently.

The same thing has never happened twice. So don't be too surprised if you hear something strange in connection with me. Compare the sources though. Even I may not always be the most reliable source because if under duress or drugged, it's hard to think clearly.

If there's something strange going on, I will try to have plausible deniability as follows:


 
The code 357 is(was) a special code that strengthens the importance of the message. (I was given one post only, and one hour only to compose it, not knowing what and how long will happen next - turned out to be 5 weeks of seclusion, and several months of total inability to work or even live normally.)

The code 468 is(was) a special code telling that whatever instructions I seem to be giving, I am under drugs/duress, and the instructions are null and void. Further, there is no such verse in the Bible, giving an additional hint to outsiders that don't know the codes, that something is going on.

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When the evil deeds of the satanic organizations of this world come to light, they are exposed, and they must fight, or retreat. If they fight, they are more exposed, though, and as a result more people believe that what I say is the truth.

As a Christian, I don't have a choice. My conscience does not allow me to take part in the evil schemes of this world. So harassing me does not have the effect of making me turn to the world, for God protects me that I won't. It only gives me more, more or less unbelievable experiences to be shared, and more motivation to share them since I get to realize myself, more of the all-pervasiveness of the satanic world system (Bible: "kosmos"(gk),"world"(engl)).

I empathize with Count Helmuth von Moltke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmuth_James_Graf_von_Moltke). This guy, committed pacifist, was sentenced to death and executed for dreaming of a better world, 4 months before the war ended. It'll be great to meet him :)

Lol, quoted for posterity :D

One thread to make fun of one guy. No matter if he's really mentally ill or not, this is one of the most disgusting thing I've seen lately. This forum became a shithole for sadistic adolescents. Why don't you kids go out and beat up some hobo or torture animals for a change?

One thread to make fun of one guy. No matter if he's really mentally ill or not, this is one of the most disgusting thing I've seen lately. This forum became a shithole for sadistic adolescents. Why don't you kids go out and beat up some hobo or torture animals for a change?

One thread to make fun of one guy. No matter if he's really mentally ill or not, this is one of the most disgusting thing I've seen lately. This forum became a shithole for sadistic adolescents. Why don't you kids go out and beat up some hobo or torture animals for a change?

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You're not a crazy, just a second-rate scammer who don't even know how to do it right :D

Yh why are we all so nasty to each other here?!

This place is basically fueled by the seven deadly sins, with greed being dominant. So, I'm not surprised that people here aren't exactly virtuous.
If you want a community with higher moral fiber, then I recommend you to stay away from places that in large part promise people easy riches without doing any work.

With your behavior you have no authority to talk about morality and virtue.

If you think rpietila is crasy, lying, or just plain wrong, you can:
-stop reading
-use ignore button
-prove why he's wrong with proper arguments and proofs...

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave.

You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one.

With your behavior you have no authority to talk about morality and virtue.

If you think rpietila is crasy, lying, or just plain wrong, you can:
-stop reading
-use ignore button
-prove why he's wrong with proper arguments and proofs (not just "LOL HE'S WEIRDO AND LIVE IN A CASTLE, COME ON GRAB A TORCH) and move on with your life if it doesn't work, as a adult. If people listen to his financial advice based on his posts on a forum without doing due diligence, it's their responsibility.

Using real events of his life, pictures of him, any personal information available to ridicule him in this fucking circus of circle-jerking lapidation is a FUCKING DISGRACE and you should all hide deep into a cave for the rest of your life for using such tactics.

You perfectly know where to put your recommendations.

Needless to say, there is no impartial, scientific study ever (150 years) conducted that has pronounced vaccines safe.

As if his history of mental illness and his bizarre 9/11 conspiracies weren't enough, his "quality TA" thread has now become a gathering place for anti-vaxxer loons. And they wonder why people in real life don't take their digital tokens seriously?

^Patients are released from insane asylums when they no longer represent a physical threat to themselves or to others.  Not because they're all better.
This goes double if the patient in question stops taking his meds, because he thinks that modern medicine is a plot to destroy humanity.

That said, there's nothing wrong with being mentally ill.  It's taking financial advice from the mentally ill that I have issues with, hence thread topic.

The insanity of someone who is convinced there is a 'sane' and that they are it, is far more dangerous. Physician, heal thyself.

How about u stop bein an fagit?

How about u stop bein an fagit?

More and more I'm thinking...

... fist ... my butthole ....