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Title: ponzi's overrunning /gambling still Post by: Micon on January 27, 2015, 01:48:37 AM Hi,
I know the owners of this forum generally don't care and simply enjoy round after round of advertisement auction revenue, but a bunch of humans that do care are basically fighting for our forum over at marketplace/gambling. We have tried everything to get an HYIP sub, or a marketplace/ponzi, marketplace/hyip, whatever but get them the fuck out of gambling please. we really, really love our bitcoin gambling discussion. I want it back, and I know others feel the same. Title: Re: ponzi's overrunning /gambling still Post by: wunkbone on January 27, 2015, 02:10:47 AM You are right. This apparently happens every so often in the gambling section when one ponzi is successful then many others try to follow in their footsteps and try to scam various gamblers.
I do agree that there should be some kind of HYIP/ponzi section outside of the main gambling section. When we do have ponzi crazes they all seem to make it no fun for people who want to gamble in a fair way Title: Re: ponzi's overrunning /gambling still Post by: Micon on January 27, 2015, 02:42:37 AM it's a simple matter of:
- gamblers = one group - ponzi / HYIP scammers = another group - there exists slight overlap in groups - the ponzi scammers set up simple sites that are easily copied - "One site per thread" is easily skirted by continuously re-branding the same 100 yr old scam - thus ponzi scammers get free advertising and continue to multiply their threads - bitcoin gambling enthusiasts/operators lose Title: Re: ponzi's overrunning /gambling still Post by: Seketsuna on January 27, 2015, 04:13:12 AM Agree we need a separate section for ponzis/HYIP
Its such a pain to go look for the thread of your favorite casino Title: Re: ponzi's overrunning /gambling still Post by: grendel25 on January 27, 2015, 04:34:07 AM Yep, I totally agree. Has there been any movement on this? I actually like both but yeah, they should be separated. But I do like gambling more and would actually like to engage more in gambling discussions but it's hard to weed through all the ponzi stuff.
Title: Re: ponzi's overrunning /gambling still Post by: wunkbone on January 27, 2015, 05:51:37 AM it's a simple matter of: I think you are pretty much right. Especially with the fact that most ponzis are essentially a copy of eachother. This does skirt the rule that only one thread per site is allowed as the same person can make 3 or 4 almost identical sites then open 4 threads (one about each site). - gamblers = one group - ponzi / HYIP scammers = another group - there exists slight overlap in groups - the ponzi scammers set up simple sites that are easily copied - "One site per thread" is easily skirted by continuously re-branding the same 100 yr old scam - thus ponzi scammers get free advertising and continue to multiply their threads - bitcoin gambling enthusiasts/operators lose Title: Re: ponzi's overrunning /gambling still Post by: unamis76 on January 27, 2015, 10:57:22 PM I think it's a pretty good idea to have a separate section for them... They've been booming lately and filling the Gambling zones!
Also, they'll eventually die off, and if they are sit in one section, it will be easier to delete all the threads... :D haha Title: Re: ponzi's overrunning /gambling still Post by: koshgel on January 27, 2015, 11:46:12 PM Would be nice to be able to flag them and moved to their own section within Gambling..
Title: Re: ponzi's overrunning /gambling still Post by: 10BTCaDay on January 27, 2015, 11:49:46 PM Would be nice to be able to flag them and moved to their own section within Gambling.. I've been putting negative trust on anyone trying to scam people by running a ponzi on here. 99% of them are newbies... Title: Re: ponzi's overrunning /gambling still Post by: newIndia on January 28, 2015, 12:10:32 AM it's a simple matter of: - gamblers = one group - ponzi / HYIP scammers = another group - there exists slight overlap in groups - the ponzi scammers set up simple sites that are easily copied - "One site per thread" is easily skirted by continuously re-branding the same 100 yr old scam - thus ponzi scammers get free advertising and continue to multiply their threads - bitcoin gambling enthusiasts/operators lose This has come up before. The main issue is that ponzis are very similar to both other gambling sites and real investment sites, so it's difficult to create a category that includes exactly the right things. How about this: Quote Investor-based games Games where the main factor is whether or not new "investors" join the game. Also any Bitcoin-denominated investment product with an APR of 15% or more, which are similarly risky even if they're not actually paying interest using investor deposits. Would this description cover any real investments or non-ponzi gambling sites? Would it fail to cover any ponzis that have existed in the Bitcoin ecosystem? Also, are any actual users of the Gambling section irritated by this, or are people just trying to hide this kind of game? Is anyone against the creation of this section? Title: Re: ponzi's overrunning /gambling still Post by: koshgel on January 28, 2015, 12:41:44 AM Would be nice to be able to flag them and moved to their own section within Gambling.. I've been putting negative trust on anyone trying to scam people by running a ponzi on here. 99% of them are newbies... I was doing that too, but they keep making new accounts. I feel like people are going to throw their money in there with or without negative trust. Title: Re: ponzi's overrunning /gambling still Post by: redsn0w on January 28, 2015, 08:18:20 AM Would be nice to be able to flag them and moved to their own section within Gambling.. I've been putting negative trust on anyone trying to scam people by running a ponzi on here. 99% of them are newbies... I was doing that too, but they keep making new accounts. I feel like people are going to throw their money in there with or without negative trust. Yes , because a simple negative trust will not stop their intention. However I agree with the other users , we need a new child board only for the hiyp and the various ponzi. Title: Re: ponzi's overrunning /gambling still Post by: shorena on January 28, 2015, 09:54:51 AM I just realized that most ponzi operators violate the "no more than 24 hours between bumbps/updates" rule. They are basically spamming to stay on the first page of the gambling section, which moves fast.
Thus I think its a good idea to stop bumping their threads for free with warnings/mockings/etc and keep reporting their spam. Title: Re: ponzi's overrunning /gambling still Post by: redsn0w on January 28, 2015, 10:57:38 AM I just realized that most ponzi operators violate the "no more than 24 hours between bumbps/updates" rule. They are basically spamming to stay on the first page of the gambling section, which moves fast. Thus I think its a good idea to stop bumping their threads for free with warnings/mockings/etc and keep reporting their spam. Yes in this case we should report them, and the staff should ban these users. Title: Re: ponzi's overrunning /gambling still Post by: Tschai on January 28, 2015, 10:59:59 AM PS: Also hope some of the bigger ones will be caught, like these Over 70 Bitcoin Scams Shut Down By New York Law Enforcement (http://www.coindesk.com/70-bitcoin-scams-shut-new-york-law-enforcement/)
Title: Re: ponzi's overrunning /gambling still Post by: Stunna on January 30, 2015, 08:47:34 PM These scams should be outright removed or at the very least placed in their own section. I'm surprised we're still arguing over this.
Title: Re: ponzi's overrunning /gambling still Post by: cheekychap on January 30, 2015, 09:07:41 PM Would be nice to be able to flag them and moved to their own section within Gambling.. I think most of the ponzis should just be moved to the Games and section. After all, thats what they are. Title: Re: ponzi's overrunning /gambling still Post by: smith coins on January 30, 2015, 09:34:13 PM Agree we need a separate section for ponzis/HYIP Its such a pain to go look for the thread of your favorite casino create a sub-forum for them they BRING no value to this forum I would say a lot of forum members here would agree! Title: Re: ponzi's overrunning /gambling still Post by: shorena on January 30, 2015, 10:38:23 PM Would be nice to be able to flag them and moved to their own section within Gambling.. I think most of the ponzis should just be moved to the Games and section. After all, thats what they are. If it has a homepage -> Gambling If it does not -> Games and Rounds Ponzi or not does not matter as long as we dont have a new section. Title: Re: ponzi's overrunning /gambling still Post by: galbros on January 31, 2015, 09:51:53 PM I agree it is annoying but I like to think it is a self correcting problem as the people stupid enough to send their coins to a "game" that is synonymous with scam will quickly tire of throwing their money away.
Title: Re: ponzi's overrunning /gambling still Post by: Stratobitz on February 03, 2015, 09:44:54 PM I posted an Open Letter to the Moderators regarding just this issue. It did get some attention among community members, with feelings from both sides. But the mods tended to side more with the hands off, let the community determine the postings, etc.
I'll bump it. Heres the link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=934416.0 Strato |