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sigh, if this is true its another sad sign of poor business management (at best) in the btc world. they say most businesses fail in their first few years but ive the feeling its higher than average in btc related businesses...

I would love to rat coinographic as much as the next person, but I do think it's fair that we let them set up the order form on 4th of Feb, as promised. If not, then we all take action.

I would love to rat coinographic as much as the next person, but I do think it's fair that we let them set up the order form on 4th of Feb, as promised. If not, then we all take action.

It is starting to sound like things may have fell apart much earlier than we are being told.

Mart9275 from how far back have you not been paid by Coinographic?

Perhaps they will put up a form on the 4th, but so far they haven't taken down their order/sales page or users to send them payment for coins they will never produce.

I'm still really hoping for an open dialogue with Mark from coinographic, but since he is ignoring all my mails this seems less and less likely.


Only about 3 months. But payment was irregular already in August. Whether or not this was due to bad management of lack of funds, I don't know.


This is my main concern as well. He should just remove that specific page.

BTW their company details should not be difficult to find, as they are registered in the UK. Maybe someone in the area can give them a call...

ORDERING TERMS
DISCLAIMER AND WARRANTIES
Coinographic Ltd warrants that it only sells authentic coins containing Private Keys that each have only been used one single time to upload funds related to the purchase of a particular coin.

Coinographic Ltd warrants that each individual coin which indicates an amount of a particular crypto-currency on its face, that amount of crypto-currency was properly purchased and that each coin contains a Private Key which can be used to transfer, reassign or re-appropriate the face value of the said coin.

Coinographic Ltd warrants that the Private Keys used on coins sold by us have been produced, managed and stored in a secure manner. Private Keys have been produced using a secure random number generator, printed so as to only produce the single copy to be inserted within the said coin and all excess overprints and other printing trash has been securely destroyed and all digital copies securely destroyed. Coinographic Ltd is unable to remove or deduct virtual currency from our coins once dispatched as the Private Key will no longer be in our possession.

Coinographic Ltd makes no warranty or representation that our coins cannot be counterfeited. At the time of writing we have no evidence that our coins are being counterfeited. Should we discover any evidence suggesting that our coins are being counterfeited we will publish such information on our website at the earliest opportunity.

DURABILITY
Coinographic Ltd makes no representations or warranties as to durability or indestructability of our coins. Coins can be destroyed by external forces including fire, heat, chemicals, excessive abrasion and flood. Virtual funds that are stored on our coins become the responsibility of the purchaser upon receipt of the coin and are not recoverable by Coinographic Ltd. If your coin is lost, destroyed or damaged it cannot be replaced or re-issued by Coinographic Ltd and you are advised to insure your coins. Coinographic Ltd cannot be responsible for any damage to coins after delivery.

RISK
You alone assume the sole responsibility for evaluating the merits and risks associated with purchasing coins from Coinographic Ltd. Our coins are designed as collectibles and not intended for investment purposes. The value of our coins is subject to fluctuation. You should always conduct your own research and obtain your own professional advice before making a decision to purchase. Coinogrpahic Ltd will not be liable for any loss or damage caused by an individual's reliance on information obtained from our website nor any communications from our members, employees or agents. No investment, legal or tax advice is given to you and you should consult your own advisors for such advice before ordering.

ORDER ACCEPTANCE
Your order is not valid until it has been accepted by Coinographic. The processing of your payment and our acknowledgement email does not constitute a legally binding contract. Your order is not deemed accepted until the goods have been delivered to you.

Coinographic endeavour to keep our website up to date with regard to quantities in relation to limited edition or limited production coins, but cannot guarantee accuracy. If you place an order for a limited edition or limited production coin that has sold out, despite showing as available on our site, we will refund your payment in full.

You may cancel your order at any time prior to processing, but please note that in stock items are processed immediately and therefore cannot be cancelled. Please refer to the individual coin page for information.

Coinographic reserves the right to discontinue accepting orders or to limit quantities at any time.

Coinographic reserves the right to accept or reject orders as it determines it to be in the company's best interests.

DELIVERY, SHIPPING, RETURNS AND CANCELLATIONS
DELIVERY TIMES

Once you complete your purchase delivery is generally within 10 working days, however international orders may take longer. You will find specific delivery information relating to each coin on the individual page for that coin.

UK SHIPPING

Standard Shipping within the UK is included in the purchase price, insured and tracked for our 500 Limited Edition coins. A signature will be required on delivery. If for any reason we are unable to deliver you coin(s) and they are returned to us in their original condition we will refund the purchase price less the cost of shipping in the digital currency with which you paid. We do not make refunds in Sterling or any currency other than the one you paid in.

INTERNATIONAL SHIPPING

We ship to most countries but the buyer is responsible for understanding the law in their own country relating to the purchase of our products. If you are purchasing from outside the UK our products may be subject to customs or import charges for which we are not responsible. Should you place an international order and we are unable to deliver your coins to you we will refund the purchase price less the cost of shipping in the digital currency with which you paid once the coin(s) have been returned to us in their original condition. We only make refunds in the digital currency with which you paid.

RETURNS, EXCHANGES AND REFUNDS

PLEASE NOTE: WE DO NOT ACCEPT RETURNS, OFFER EXCHANGES OR REFUNDS ON PRODCUTS THAT ARE SOLD FUNDED AND INCLUDE A 30 DIGIT PRIVATE KEY.

We make every effort to ensure that your coin will arrive in mint condition and all our products are subject to a rigorous individual quality check before dispatch, including the holographic sticker. For security reasons we cannot therefore offer refunds or exchanges for any coins.

If, however, your presentation wooden box or other display packaging arrives damaged or any other item included in your purchase, except the coin, is faulty, damaged or missing, please contact us and we will do our best to resolve the matter.

You should get in touch with us as soon as possible using our 'Contact Us' page. Please use the summary box to describe your problem, for example, 'Damaged Box', to help us deal with your problem as quickly as possible.

CANCELLATION
You can cancel your order at any time prior to processing, although orders for items already in stock will be processed immediately and cannot be cancelled. Please refer to the individual coin page for information about stock availability.

I had to email them around 5 times to get all of mine funded. I had bought 42 coins total (40 x 1LTC and 2 x Bull coins). He did eventualy fund them all, but I wonder if they might have kept keys...

Also if anyone has the Chikun coin funded or not I will buy it from you.

You ignorant fools. I told you from day 1 that Marc from Coinographic and his whole company is a scam. He never produced any coins. All he did was collect a shitload of BTC from pre-orders and now he has run with your money. He also never had a "team". This is a one man scam show. I do have his homeadress + phonenumbers + I now where his sister lives and his parents. I am selling this information for 1 BTC.

Well I guess the coins I have in possession are imaginary, you are not the only one with his personal details but selling them on the forum is out of order. He owes me a great deal in orders but I am sure he will put everyone right, he has not done this under some fake name or company, if he was running a scam he would have done this using other personal details not his own.  ::)

I had to email them around 5 times to get all of mine funded. I had bought 42 coins total (40 x 1LTC and 2 x Bull coins). He did eventualy fund them all, but I wonder if they might have kept keys...

Also if anyone has the Chikun coin funded or not I will buy it from you.

Blaze likes Chikun coins but I prefer the Ant Cutter coins , so if anyone has the 1btc or the 2btc physical bitcoins , I will buy it from you.   ;D

The physical bit coins do not exist and likely will not exist.

Coinographic said so himself.


Smoothie...you are probably right.  Coinographic had removed all BTC Physical pre -order coins from their website.  Too bad that they can not produce those coins  as they do look good.   :'(

The physical Bitcoins are now off the "Our Coins" page, but still show on the Home page as it cycles through all coins.

Sadly, the physical Bitcoins won't likely ever get made.

Blaze likes Chikun coins but I prefer the Ant Cutter coins , so if anyone has the 1btc or the 2btc physical bitcoins , I will buy it from you.   ;D

I'm a bit sad that those ant coins were never made, quite some time was put into making them. If Mark doesn't pay me I'm thinking about just releasing the 3D production files and hope that at least someone will find it useful.

I may be interested. But let's see how things play out first.

Hopefully you get paid in full.

I may be interested. But let's see how things play out first.

Hopefully you get paid in full.

This is why I encouraged coinographic a few days ago to have an open dialogue publicly with their customers. It appears they are hiding.

To all competition prize winners;

Due to the situation with the company and the fact we will not be manufacturing the bitcoin collection we will be unable to pay the prizes promised.  Once we have dealt with our other outstanding issues and made things right with our customers, we will re-visit the situation and look at the possibilities of what can be done to rectify this situation.

Some customers might not want an open public dialogue.  These issues are between us as a company and our customers.

I for one, welcome a public dialogue.  One of my biggest concerns with Coinographic has been the lack of communication in the past.  Keeping an open channel is a good thing.  And yes, I am a customer.

We are not going anywhere and i'm afraid you will have to put up with our competition for a long time to come. 

Some customers might not want an open public dialogue.  These issues are between us as a company and our customers. This may just be one big drama for you to stick your wooden spoon in, but for me this has been my life for nearly a year.  A lot of hard work and money has gone down the toilet and you just seem to want to use these threads as one big advert for your business.

With respect, this has nothing to do with you!  You have never been a customer of coinograhic and since the business started you have done nothing but interfere and do your best to bring us down.

Continue with your input if you wish (its a public forum) but i have absolutely no interest what-so-ever in anything you have to say or your suggestions  

It's clear that us winners of competitions will not get anything, by the time you finish all refunds there won't be anything left to give,
and who knows how many months we will have to wait 3-6 months.

It's a shame we trusted you.

Have you heard from Coinographic?

Yeah, he has promised to pay me after he has taken care of his customers (IMHO, the right priority), and I of course expect him to honour his word.

In any case, let this be a lesson to everyone: If you do any work online, be freaking sure to have your payment in escrow before you start.

As already stated, though this entire show might have many of the hallmarks of a scam and many customers indeed feel cheated, I don't think it was ever intended as a scam. I know that Mark has put in a shitload of work into this project, but sadly it seems like he has tried to bite off much more than he can chew, and all along the way his pride has kept him from being open and honest about what has been going on. A really bad combo that we now see the sad result of.

Yeah, he has promised to pay me after he has taken care of his customers (IMHO, the right priority), and I of course expect him to honour his word.

In any case, let this be a lesson to everyone: If you do any work online, be freaking sure to have your payment in escrow before you start.

As already stated, though this entire show might have many of the hallmarks of a scam and many customers indeed feel cheated, I don't think it was ever intended as a scam. I know that Mark has put in a shitload of work into this project, but sadly it seems like he has tried to bite off much more than he can chew, and all along the way his pride has kept him from being open and honest about what has been going on. A really bad combo that we now see the sad result of.

I also feel cheated, and despite pm-ing and emailing him I still did not receive any information from him.
I've seen they also removed the Bitcoin Coins from their site, but left the Litecoin ones.

Coinographic LTD was set up in the early part of 2014 as a legitimate company for the purpose of creating unique physical crypto-currency coins.  Every effort was made to try and make the business succeed.

Over the last few months the company has struggled to generate sales and support for our products.  We have also suffered a lot from the fall in the price of digital currency as well as other issues.

As a company we had every intention of trying to resolve our issues and we have truly exhausted every avenue to try and raise capital to either make good with our existing customers or issue refunds to those of you that invested in pre-orders of our upcoming Bitcoin collection.

Unfortunately, we regret to have to announce that due to events over the last few months the company is now bankrupt and can no longer continue trading.

As a result of our liquidation we are unable to honour any outstanding orders, coin funding or pending refunds.

As of today we will no longer be able to correspond with anyone.  Our email accounts, website and telephone numbers will now be terminated.

If you wish to issue a winding-up petition (WUP) against our company you can do so from the following link - https://www.gov.uk/wind-up-a-company-that-owes-you-money/overview.

Our company information is below;
Coinographic Ltd
registration number 08773620

We are truly sorry that it has come to this and wish everyone the best for the future.

Thank you to everyone who has filled out the forms so far.  We are reviewing each request as we speak. If you filled out the form before this message, you will hear from us before the close of play on Tuesday

Regards

No liquidator exists because originally you put on a facade to make people think you were actually going to work with them on order refunds, coin FUNDING, and preorder refunds. Yes people should sooo take your word as truth.  ::)


You supposedly made it appear on your website that you had hundreds of 25 LTC bull coins, hundreds of 10 LTC LA coins, and hundreds of 10 LTC chikun coins.

Talk about putting up an image to make you look like you are fully stocked when you really aren't.



Yeah so you took people's money for physical coins you SUPPOSEDLY have, SUPPOSEDLY could fund, and can't refund that money/BTC/LTC?

You are so full of crap.


Yeah yeah sure sure. I'm sure you were not funding coins back in October because you "knew" you could fulfill all outstanding orders. Please stop with the BS.


Blah blah blah...more lies. Even if that is true why would you invest money into a project you only had partial funds for? That makes no sense.

Why were preorder funds used to pay for office costs, internet and other associated costs as well as website? I don't see how they are related.

I'm sure your preorder customers did not know you would use the funds to fund your BUSINESS costs and not your physical bitcoin project costs.


Stop blaming your customer base as the reason your company went under. And stop blaming the price of Bitcoin/Litecoin for your failures.


Yes as if people should believe you given all of your previous lies up until this point.  ::) ::) ::)


Once again if you werent selling enough products and did not have enough to produce the Bitcoin collection why did you try to keep up the facade that your company could afford to finish those coins and orders of other coins that you did not deliver/fund? Like I said, you sir are full of BS.

Yeah if you did not have enough funds to produce your bitcoin collection, why collect preorders?

Were you hoping your customer base would completely fund your projects? Like BFL?



You say you have no money yet you claimed to have the ability to make people whole (at least somewhat). What was that form for if not to delay for more time?

Yeah sure your other business went bust at the same time. How convenient.

Now you are going to play the "my family doesn't have food" card? Seriously you are taking this pretty far.


Where have we heard that one again???  ::) ::) ::)

Still makes me a bit sad, it's shit like this, among other things, that hold Bitcoin and Crypto in general back, it seems unsafer, while in fact it is much safer.

https://litecointalk.org/index.php?action=post;quote=253162;topic=24707.0