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Title: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: pawel7777 on February 01, 2015, 08:04:16 PM Found on reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uedjs/andreas_m_antonopoulos_to_appear_in_silk_road/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uedjs/andreas_m_antonopoulos_to_appear_in_silk_road/)
Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial by the Ulbricht's defense: http://ia600603.us.archive.org/21/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824.165.1.pdf (http://ia600603.us.archive.org/21/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824.165.1.pdf) But the prosecutor objected: http://www.scribd.com/doc/254137816/Latest-Ross-Ulbricht-Filing (http://www.scribd.com/doc/254137816/Latest-Ross-Ulbricht-Filing) Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: dopecoindude on February 01, 2015, 08:04:56 PM Found on reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uedjs/andreas_m_antonopoulos_to_appear_in_silk_road/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uedjs/andreas_m_antonopoulos_to_appear_in_silk_road/) Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial by the Ulbrich's defense: http://ia600603.us.archive.org/21/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824.165.1.pdf (http://ia600603.us.archive.org/21/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824.165.1.pdf) But the prosecutor objected: http://www.scribd.com/doc/254137816/Latest-Ross-Ulbricht-Filing (http://www.scribd.com/doc/254137816/Latest-Ross-Ulbricht-Filing) Time to get some popcorn out ? Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: newIndia on February 01, 2015, 08:09:19 PM Found on reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uedjs/andreas_m_antonopoulos_to_appear_in_silk_road/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uedjs/andreas_m_antonopoulos_to_appear_in_silk_road/) Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial by the Ulbrich's defense: http://ia600603.us.archive.org/21/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824.165.1.pdf (http://ia600603.us.archive.org/21/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824.165.1.pdf) But the prosecutor objected: http://www.scribd.com/doc/254137816/Latest-Ross-Ulbricht-Filing (http://www.scribd.com/doc/254137816/Latest-Ross-Ulbricht-Filing) Oops... I expected US govt to invite him. Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: Orangina on February 01, 2015, 08:10:33 PM Found on reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uedjs/andreas_m_antonopoulos_to_appear_in_silk_road/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uedjs/andreas_m_antonopoulos_to_appear_in_silk_road/) Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial by the Ulbrich's defense: http://ia600603.us.archive.org/21/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824.165.1.pdf (http://ia600603.us.archive.org/21/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824.165.1.pdf) But the prosecutor objected: http://www.scribd.com/doc/254137816/Latest-Ross-Ulbricht-Filing (http://www.scribd.com/doc/254137816/Latest-Ross-Ulbricht-Filing) Time to get some popcorn out ? Yeah .. I guess so ::) I'am not really sure why they would need him to be honest tho . Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: newIndia on February 01, 2015, 08:16:05 PM Found on reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uedjs/andreas_m_antonopoulos_to_appear_in_silk_road/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uedjs/andreas_m_antonopoulos_to_appear_in_silk_road/) Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial by the Ulbrich's defense: http://ia600603.us.archive.org/21/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824.165.1.pdf (http://ia600603.us.archive.org/21/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824.165.1.pdf) But the prosecutor objected: http://www.scribd.com/doc/254137816/Latest-Ross-Ulbricht-Filing (http://www.scribd.com/doc/254137816/Latest-Ross-Ulbricht-Filing) Time to get some popcorn out ? Yeah .. I guess so ::) I'am not really sure why they would need him to be honest tho . They are trying to involve MK in the case by some technical analysis and hence asking for Andreas's support. Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: Kazimir on February 01, 2015, 08:24:04 PM Go for it, Andreas! Nail Karpeles for all he's got! (that's roughly 700K BTC)
Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: jbrnt on February 01, 2015, 08:29:27 PM Andreas is summoned for Ulbrich's defense? I don't think it's a good idea. I am not certain Ulbrich is innocent or guilty, but Andreas working against the prosecution will put Andreas in an awkard position.
Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: newIndia on February 01, 2015, 08:31:00 PM Andreas is Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: pawel7777 on February 01, 2015, 08:33:46 PM Time to get some popcorn out ? Too soon for popcorn, it hasn't been agreed yet. On the side note, it seems to be nice niche for 'bitcoin experts'. There are bitcoin scams/thefts/extortions all over the world, most of law enforcers/prosecutors will struggle to find relevant expertise. Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: pawel7777 on February 01, 2015, 08:37:18 PM Andreas is summoned for Ulbrich's defense? I don't think it's a good idea. I am not certain Ulbrich is innocent or guilty, but Andreas working against the prosecution will put Andreas in an awkard position. Why is that? He was invited only as an expert on Bitcoin, all they want is his knowledge of the subject. And I'm guessing Andreas must have agreed before the defense made a formal request. Or maybe they just tried to drag him in to get some publicity? Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: Blazr on February 01, 2015, 08:38:30 PM Andreas is summoned for Ulbrich's defense? I don't think it's a good idea. I am not certain Ulbrich is innocent or guilty, but Andreas working against the prosecution will put Andreas in an awkard position. He was summoned by the defense, but he's simply being asked to explain Bitcoin. So far the prosecution have been talking about "the dark web" and drugs and murder-for-hire and trying to make Ulbricht look guilty because he has lots of this "evil" Bitcoin currency. I guess they are going to ask Andreas about Bitcoin in general, it's legitimate uses and how early adopters, such as Ross, have made lots of money due to it's rapid increase in value. He will probably also explain how the Silk Road tumbler and MtGox hot wallet were very closely connected, with many withdrawals from MtGox being SR tainted coins and many SR withdrawals being tainted with MtGox's hot wallet. Also he will likely explain how 13% of all Bitcoin addresses are tainted with Silk Road coins and why simply finding tainted coins on his machine probably isn't evidence as it's likely most Bitcoin users have some small amount of SR tainted coins even if they have never visited SR. Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: jbrnt on February 01, 2015, 08:47:42 PM Why is that? He was invited only as an expert on Bitcoin, all they want is his knowledge of the subject. And I'm guessing Andreas must have agreed before the defense made a formal request. Or maybe they just tried to drag him in to get some publicity? Awkard because the defense is going to steer Andrea's expertise on the subject to prove Ulbrich is innocent and Andrea sometimes work with the government on bitcoin legislations. So, he is conflicted to whether he should appear in court. Yes, if Andrea remains objective and professional. He should be fine. Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: BitCoinNutJob on February 01, 2015, 08:51:24 PM But the prosecutor objected: http://www.scribd.com/doc/254137816/Latest-Ross-Ulbricht-Filing (http://www.scribd.com/doc/254137816/Latest-Ross-Ulbricht-Filing) They object because they are worried andreas might pull the jedi mind tick he pulled on the canadian senate. Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: pawel7777 on February 01, 2015, 08:59:55 PM But the prosecutor objected: http://www.scribd.com/doc/254137816/Latest-Ross-Ulbricht-Filing (http://www.scribd.com/doc/254137816/Latest-Ross-Ulbricht-Filing) They object because they are worried andreas might pull the jedi mind tick he pulled on the canadian senate. Lol, yeah, he proved to have a talent of convincing people that the 'evil bitcoin' is actually not that evil. Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: newIndia on February 01, 2015, 09:02:18 PM But the prosecutor objected: http://www.scribd.com/doc/254137816/Latest-Ross-Ulbricht-Filing (http://www.scribd.com/doc/254137816/Latest-Ross-Ulbricht-Filing) They object because they are worried andreas might pull the jedi mind tick he pulled on the canadian senate. Lol, yeah, he's proved to have a talent of convincing people that the 'evil bitcoin' is actually not that evil. Exactly the reason I'd like to see him in the trial sharing his expertise. Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: Selena Gomez on February 01, 2015, 09:15:20 PM i never know about him or heard about him
but i think he is amazing :D Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: jonald_fyookball on February 01, 2015, 11:23:00 PM I agree with the motion.
Quote Presumably, the defense plans to elicit testimony from Mr. Antonopoulos that Bitcoin has a legitimate origin and legitimate purposes and uses. However, neither point is in dispute here. None of the Government’s witnesses have testified to the effect that Bitcoin is inherently illegitimate; indeed, both Special Agent DerYeghiayan and former Special Agent Yum specifically testified, on direct, that using Bitcoins is not illegal in and of itself. And to be clear, is there anything illegal in and of itself about using bitcoins? A. No, there is not. Bitcoin is relevant to the case only because it was the sole means of payment on Silk Road and because it was used to launder illegal proceeds from the site. How Bitcoin may be used in other contexts, or what uses it may have been originally conceived for, are simply not at issue here. Moreover, allowing such testimony could confuse the jury into believing that “Bitcoin” is somehow “on trial” in this case and that “expert” testimony concerning its legitimacy somehow cuts against the defendant’s guilt. Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: nextblast on February 02, 2015, 12:24:39 AM Interesting. Andreas Antonopoulos is truly amazing in explaining and educating anything related to Bitcoin.
But where to download the trial video, or if it will be open to the public? Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: AtheistAKASaneBrain on February 02, 2015, 01:57:20 AM Finally. They've been using nothing but idiots, now we'll have a legitimate bitcoin connoseur, looking forward to see what happens.
Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: Bitcoinpro on February 02, 2015, 02:31:49 AM Found on reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uedjs/andreas_m_antonopoulos_to_appear_in_silk_road/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uedjs/andreas_m_antonopoulos_to_appear_in_silk_road/) Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial by the Ulbrich's defense: http://ia600603.us.archive.org/21/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824.165.1.pdf (http://ia600603.us.archive.org/21/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824.165.1.pdf) But the prosecutor objected: http://www.scribd.com/doc/254137816/Latest-Ross-Ulbricht-Filing (http://www.scribd.com/doc/254137816/Latest-Ross-Ulbricht-Filing) Oops... I expected US govt to invite him. its all goverment private enterprise is just a way to either make you a slave/work for nothing or let the jackasses pay themselves massive wages that are banned by government the blockchain proves these drug dealing coins have always been in government addresses http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Opium_War http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Opium_War Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: Kprawn on February 02, 2015, 07:35:06 AM Andreas can give valueble inputs regarding this.
Close all the loopholes with expert advice, to bring this thing to a end. Some countries have no clue about the technology and people will walk free on technicalities. These people did a lot of harm, and need to pay for that. ;) Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: Gleb Gamow on February 02, 2015, 07:46:32 AM Excuse me, but there's a much better witness: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=21728
Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: BitCoinNutJob on February 02, 2015, 08:05:45 AM But the prosecutor objected: http://www.scribd.com/doc/254137816/Latest-Ross-Ulbricht-Filing (http://www.scribd.com/doc/254137816/Latest-Ross-Ulbricht-Filing) They object because they are worried andreas might pull the jedi mind tick he pulled on the canadian senate. Lol, yeah, he proved to have a talent of convincing people that the 'evil bitcoin' is actually not that evil. His voice is very hypnotic and he has the knowledge to back it up, andreas for president of bitcoin i say. Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: turvarya on February 02, 2015, 08:06:22 AM Andreas is summoned for Ulbrich's defense? I don't think it's a good idea. I am not certain Ulbrich is innocent or guilty, but Andreas working against the prosecution will put Andreas in an awkard position. He was summoned by the defense, but he's simply being asked to explain Bitcoin. So far the prosecution have been talking about "the dark web" and drugs and murder-for-hire and trying to make Ulbricht look guilty because he has lots of this "evil" Bitcoin currency. I guess they are going to ask Andreas about Bitcoin in general, it's legitimate uses and how early adopters, such as Ross, have made lots of money due to it's rapid increase in value. He will probably also explain how the Silk Road tumbler and MtGox hot wallet were very closely connected, with many withdrawals from MtGox being SR tainted coins and many SR withdrawals being tainted with MtGox's hot wallet. Also he will likely explain how 13% of all Bitcoin addresses are tainted with Silk Road coins and why simply finding tainted coins on his machine probably isn't evidence as it's likely most Bitcoin users have some small amount of SR tainted coins even if they have never visited SR. Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: tss on February 02, 2015, 06:32:59 PM haha.. he's an expert? how so? no way is he more knowledgeable than a government agent. bah humbug
Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: ChuckBuck on February 02, 2015, 06:38:27 PM i never know about him or heard about him but i think he is amazing :D I don't know why, but when I saw this reply by Selena Gomez, I started to bust out laughing! ;D NO offense, Selena, as I think you're mighty alright too. http://cdn.hitfix.com/photos/3154960/selena-gomez-come-get-it-vi.jpg Just kinda wierd for you to fawn over our dude, Andreas... https://i.imgur.com/BF4kg6u.jpg Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: fancy_pants on February 02, 2015, 07:49:26 PM If anyone can convince a jury of the truth, that the government framed Ross Ulricht, then it's Andreas Antonopoulos.
Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: tss on February 02, 2015, 10:20:16 PM that image is just creepy.
but he kind of looks like steve-o there. Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: BillyBobZorton on February 02, 2015, 10:52:58 PM that image is just creepy. Yeah, I dont want to know the context for that one.but he kind of looks like steve-o there. Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: gogxmagog on February 02, 2015, 11:43:57 PM I have no worries about this. Andreas can hold his own, answer all their questions, remain objective.
It will still be quite the courtroom dramatics though. Bring it on! Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: turvarya on February 03, 2015, 08:19:26 AM haha.. he's an expert? how so? no way is he more knowledgeable than a government agent. bah humbug I am pretty sure, there are some russian 15-year olds, who are more knowledgeable than a government agent.Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: Kprawn on February 03, 2015, 09:19:45 AM Well, it seems as though they decided against it. They are saying, he is no expert on the subject. >:(
If he is not the expert, who is? Gavin....... Oh well... compared to what they know about Bitcoin, he should be viewed as a expert. It might be that they just could not handle him in court. ;D ;D ;D This should be a slap in the face of Canada. {They thought he was a expert, and invited him to talk about it in parliment} Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: Q7 on February 03, 2015, 12:16:52 PM Now that is interesting. His views and inputs will surely help in the defence case. No wonder the prosecutor objected to the proposal
Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: jonald_fyookball on February 04, 2015, 05:17:57 AM Andreas is an expert on the silk road... he's bought weed tons of times there.
JK :P Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: redhawk979 on February 04, 2015, 11:11:58 AM Well, it seems as though they decided against it. They are saying, he is no expert on the subject. >:( If he is not the expert, who is? Gavin....... Oh well... compared to what they know about Bitcoin, he should be viewed as a expert. It might be that they just could not handle him in court. ;D ;D ;D This should be a slap in the face of Canada. {They thought he was a expert, and invited him to talk about it in parliment} Therefore Stephen Colbert is an expert and authority on immigration since he spoke about it in front of Canadian Parliament, right? Title: Re: Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial Post by: turvarya on February 04, 2015, 12:00:06 PM Well, it seems as though they decided against it. They are saying, he is no expert on the subject. >:( If he is not the expert, who is? Gavin....... Oh well... compared to what they know about Bitcoin, he should be viewed as a expert. It might be that they just could not handle him in court. ;D ;D ;D This should be a slap in the face of Canada. {They thought he was a expert, and invited him to talk about it in parliment} Therefore Stephen Colbert is an expert and authority on immigration since he spoke about it in front of Canadian Parliament, right? |
