Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial

Quote from: dopecoindude on February 01, 2015, 08:04:56 PM

Quote from: pawel7777 on February 01, 2015, 08:04:16 PM

Found on reddit http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uedjs/andreas_m_antonopoulos_to_appear_in_silk_road/

Andreas Antonopoulos invited as an expert in silk road trial by the Ulbrich's defense:

http://ia600603.us.archive.org/21/items/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824/gov.uscourts.nysd.422824.165.1.pdf

But the prosecutor objected:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/254137816/Latest-Ross-Ulbricht-Filing

Time to get some popcorn out ?

Yeah .. I guess so Roll Eyes

I'am not really sure why they would need him to be honest tho .

Quote from: Orangina on February 01, 2015, 08:10:33 PM

Quote from: dopecoindude on February 01, 2015, 08:04:56 PM

Quote from: pawel7777 on February 01, 2015, 08:04:16 PM

Time to get some popcorn out ?

Yeah .. I guess so Roll Eyes

I'am not really sure why they would need him to be honest tho .

They are trying to involve MK in the case by some technical analysis and hence asking for Andreas's support.

Go for it, Andreas! Nail Karpeles for all he's got! (that's roughly 700K BTC)

Andreas is summoned for Ulbrich's defense? I don't think it's a good idea. I am not certain Ulbrich is innocent or guilty, but Andreas working against the prosecution will put Andreas in an awkard position.

Quote from: jbrnt on February 01, 2015, 08:29:27 PM

Andreas is ~~summoned~~ invited for Ulbrich's defense? I don't think it's a good idea. I am not certain Ulbrich is innocent or guilty, but Andreas working against the prosecution will put Andreas in an awkard position.

Quote from: dopecoindude on February 01, 2015, 08:04:56 PM

Time to get some popcorn out ?

Too soon for popcorn, it hasn't been agreed yet.

On the side note, it seems to be nice niche for 'bitcoin experts'. There are bitcoin scams/thefts/extortions all over the world, most of law enforcers/prosecutors will struggle to find relevant expertise.

Quote from: jbrnt on February 01, 2015, 08:29:27 PM

Andreas is summoned for Ulbrich's defense? I don't think it's a good idea. I am not certain Ulbrich is innocent or guilty, but Andreas working against the prosecution will put Andreas in an awkard position.

Why is that? He was invited only as an expert on Bitcoin, all they want is his knowledge of the subject.

And I'm guessing Andreas must have agreed before the defense made a formal request. Or maybe they just tried to drag him in to get some publicity?

Quote from: jbrnt on February 01, 2015, 08:29:27 PM

He was summoned by the defense, but he's simply being asked to explain Bitcoin. So far the prosecution have been talking about "the dark web" and drugs and murder-for-hire and trying to make Ulbricht look guilty because he has lots of this "evil" Bitcoin currency. I guess they are going to ask Andreas about Bitcoin in general, it's legitimate uses and how early adopters, such as Ross, have made lots of money due to it's rapid increase in value. He will probably also explain how the Silk Road tumbler and MtGox hot wallet were very closely connected, with many withdrawals from MtGox being SR tainted coins and many SR withdrawals being tainted with MtGox's hot wallet. Also he will likely explain how 13% of all Bitcoin addresses are tainted with Silk Road coins and why simply finding tainted coins on his machine probably isn't evidence as it's likely most Bitcoin users have some small amount of SR tainted coins even if they have never visited SR.

Quote from: pawel7777 on February 01, 2015, 08:37:18 PM

Awkard because the defense is going to steer Andrea's expertise on the subject to prove Ulbrich is innocent and Andrea sometimes work with the government on bitcoin legislations. So, he is conflicted to whether he should appear in court.

Yes, if Andrea remains objective and professional. He should be fine.

Quote from: pawel7777 on February 01, 2015, 08:04:16 PM

But the prosecutor objected:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/254137816/Latest-Ross-Ulbricht-Filing

They object because they are worried andreas might pull the jedi mind tick he pulled on the canadian senate.

Quote from: BitCoinNutJob on February 01, 2015, 08:51:24 PM

Quote from: pawel7777 on February 01, 2015, 08:04:16 PM

But the prosecutor objected:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/254137816/Latest-Ross-Ulbricht-Filing

They object because they are worried andreas might pull the jedi mind tick he pulled on the canadian senate.

Lol, yeah, he proved to have a talent of convincing people that the 'evil bitcoin' is actually not that evil.

Quote from: pawel7777 on February 01, 2015, 08:59:55 PM

Quote from: BitCoinNutJob on February 01, 2015, 08:51:24 PM

Quote from: pawel7777 on February 01, 2015, 08:04:16 PM

But the prosecutor objected:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/254137816/Latest-Ross-Ulbricht-Filing

They object because they are worried andreas might pull the jedi mind tick he pulled on the canadian senate.

Lol, yeah, he's proved to have a talent of convincing people that the 'evil bitcoin' is actually not that evil.

Exactly the reason I'd like to see him in the trial sharing his expertise.

i never know about him or heard about him
but i think he is amazing Cheesy

I agree with the motion.

Quote

Presumably, the defense plans to elicit testimony from Mr. Antonopoulos that Bitcoin has a legitimate origin and legitimate purposes and uses. However, neither point is in dispute here. None of the Government’s witnesses have testified to the effect that Bitcoin is inherently illegitimate; indeed, both Special Agent DerYeghiayan and former Special Agent Yum specifically testified, on direct, that using Bitcoins is not illegal in and of itself. And to be clear, is there anything illegal in and of itself about using bitcoins? A. No, there is not. Bitcoin is relevant to the case only because it was the sole means of payment on Silk Road and because it was used to launder illegal proceeds from the site. How Bitcoin may be used in other contexts, or what uses it may have been originally conceived for, are simply not at issue here. Moreover, allowing such testimony could confuse the jury into believing that “Bitcoin” is somehow “on trial” in this case and that “expert” testimony concerning its legitimacy somehow cuts against the defendant’s guilt.

Interesting. Andreas Antonopoulos is truly amazing in explaining and educating anything related to Bitcoin.
But where to download the trial video, or if it will be open to the public?

Finally. They've been using nothing but idiots, now we'll have a legitimate bitcoin connoseur, looking forward to see what happens.

Quote from: newIndia on February 01, 2015, 08:09:19 PM

Quote from: pawel7777 on February 01, 2015, 08:04:16 PM

Oops... I expected US govt to invite him.

its all goverment

private enterprise is just a way to either make you a slave/work for nothing

or let the jackasses pay themselves massive wages that are banned by government

the blockchain proves these drug dealing coins have always been in government addresses

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Opium_War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Opium_War