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An average of 22 US Veterans take their own life every day.  I commonly work with active duty service members so I'm reminded of the challenges they face on a regular basis.  Try to remember the completely different life of a veteran even if you are a veteran yourself.  It's complicated but making a conscious effort goes a long way.

Don't compare with Russian or Chinese Forces...  :-X  :-[  :'(, it's normal under occupation  :P.

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it's still a bird.

Have you ever thought all that social peer pressure, constant reminders of what they did in life and seeing everybody everywhere totally dismiss their warnings about war is what is leading them to take their own lives in the first place?

It has always been the truth, that's why the field of Mars was created, to settle issues before War, so that when the Legions came Home they saw who&what they left standing. It's called the homefront. That's why the wall option was chosen.

But don't rejoice too soon Lethn, all that came back to the American Shores aren't that weak...

edit: the name isn't important or tribe appurtenance, it could be levy, Richardson, DSK or McCain office's, who cares.


the only "won" wars are those where yours foes join in you, otherwise it's just a bloodbath.

101: Remember it ain't the barbarians that destroyed Rome, but the Legions, only them add the firepower to do such damages...

It was painful for this Vietnam vet to read the following post by Wounded Times. Having said the horrible truth in the comment I must ponder it, because it brings to light serious consequences for governance. I'd like "any" congressional rep to hold any hearing on the topic at any VA facility while VA clinicians listen to what is being said. I'd like any veteran service organization to sponsor it and step up. Time to dig deeper on what can be done locally. Here's my presentation to a group asking my opinion as a clinician what my thoughts were. Although a bit academic readers will get the gist.

If you want to stop creating so many veterans with PTSD then stop going to war every five seconds, it's that simple, people who rant about war and do the "Fuck yeah 'merica" bullshit likely either have never been to a battlefield or have something already wrong with them, in either case they should be ignored.

Remember before, they never had digital tracking, even if most start only after 9.12.2001, or do they really? hehehe... the War on Terror is far from Over, it just lead to unexpected place at the start, what ever..., first let see what's inside this cave... ohhh  :o another one  ::), maybe a skeleton this time  ::), War can be an adventure too...  8).

Yes when we glorify the bloodlust like American Sniper and distort the true horror of war into simple ideological poles, its very easy to see how the young and naive are deceived, lured or coerced into becoming cannon fodder and brutalizers. Those who survive the battlefield are destroyed or maimed by their shattered illusion of its reality.

I agree with what you're saying but only so far as what you've said is just a sliver of the whole story.  There are just causes to be fought and the warrior spirit is that which defeats evil.  American Sniper wasn't about quenching bloodlust.  That movie was a portrait of the warrior spirit.  There are plenty of bad examples of idiots playing cowboy in the sandbox but American Sniper was not one of them.  If you want to see the portrayal of the idiot cowboys then go watch the HBO series Generation Kill.

But other than that, yeah... "Those who survive the battlefield are destroyed..."  Is correct and American Sniper did a good job of illustrating that.

My main hope in posting the OP was at getting people to be aware of unique challenges faced by our veterans.  It's not always combat either. Family separation causes all sorts of problems.

I think the post is a great, one that brings some light to an issue that is rarely dealt with by the mainstream media, they very quick to beat the drum for war but more reticent to discuss the long term ramifications.

I thought the movies Jarhead and Hurt Locker were good illustrations of how its delusional to think we can collectivise morality.

Larken Rose makes a great point when he asks is there any moral justification for a human to murder another human/s, or is there any moral justification for a human to delegate the murder of a human/s to another human and is there any moral justification for a human to delegate the murder of another human/s to a group of humans.

When a human kills another we call it murder, when a human kills a group of humans we call it mass murder, but when a human kills thousands of humans we call him a conqueror and in some cases we give them a nobel prize

It's by design... Hard to accept to be under occupation? the sooner you wake, the less chance you will have to fight a real Army, like PLAoC...

regards.

Its mostly those americans who promote war that go and return with PTSD and destroy their lives. You cant change a nation in 1 generation,
everything about them is focused on how they are the best and brightest, and when they live their lives that way , they get burned out.

you have no appreciations for heat, wait for fistbitches.com (hmm sorry, facebook.com) to be leaked (or reformulated the "bitchprofils"... fully humiliated, it's part of war101, expect it).

Why couldn't these veterans kill themselves first before they invade another sovereign country and kill innocent people in the name of democracy.
I mean oil.

Less unjust wars=less PTSD=less suicides

Every war for the past 70 years has been unjust, and wasn't in the name of "freedom" as so many foolishly believed and continue to believe

No one in this world is free.  But you miss the point anyways. It's about the sacrifice veterans make for their people.  No one here is trying to argue rather wars should or shouldn't have been fought.

“It’s about” (grendel25) taking a measure of the viability of patriotism as a mobilizing agent.

Or you could just make your own thread and call it, "Taking a measure of the viability of patriotism as a mobilizing agent," instead of troll crapping in this one.  :-)

An entire thread to correct but one errant post‽  :o

I guess this is why most soldiers are young. They are full of naive patriotism and have no idea why they have been asked to kill their fellow man.
Yes, the veterans should be pitied, since they are simply pawns in a game of fake manifest destiny!

no one cares, and then the only thing they say all day: let's wage war against Russia... the core of the problem is the ctrl+p team. the rest illusion. that tell everything you need to know about the values of the chain of the command us side...

Don't mess near the Land of the Free, ie China, you aren't (values-informations-conditions) to just imagine it, this time and for the future... thank you for your visit last time, we learned everything about you.

Don't force this knowledge to be put to use, unless you want to see USA gone. everything.

Euro-USA is equivalent to the worst period of imperial china, where the men in charge could abuse everyones... not every imperial times were good, don't get fooled.

what is cool about a vet in ptsd is that his wife/girl/daughter are easier to get for dsk and Silvio like... and the chain of command did nothing. who are they with?

edit: impressive the dog with the knife... life saver indeed.