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Funny. If the US wasn't spending exorbitant amounts of funding on defense I might believe Putin.

They all say that, it's the usual propaganda.

It would be foolish to admit anything else.

Soviet Union vs Putin's Russia = Same wine, different bottle

WWIII will go something like this, Russia pushes a button and instantly 48.5% of the worlds population drops then the US pushes a button and another 48.5% drop. The remaining 1% then beat each other to death with clubs made from chunks of plutonium scavenged from all the obsolete nuclear weapons.

Lord Rothchild then re-populates the world with miniature clones of himself.

Well, it's one way of averting a war - he warn the West not to fall into the trap of believing its own propaganda of weak Russia (like Hitler and Napoleon did before).
Starting with Gorbachev, the Soviet military was systematically dismantled. This continued in Russia with even greater tempo under Yeltsin. The damage done to Russia's defence has only started to be reversed around 2010. For example, the story with Mistrals. Russia had already built its own helicopter carrier, but it was sent to scrap metal after insistent advice from "friends across the ocean".

Source: http://www.aif.ru/society/army/1433637

By the way, Putin doesn't say "unmatchable", but "adequate". Different meanings, in light of the above.

A few thousand Taliban are enough to overcome their "unmatchable" military.

Consider this folks, US has invented drones, Russia has propably spent roughly the same amount on military research. They may have an ace they aren't showing.

Right, according to SIPRI, Russia spent nearly $72 billion on arms in 2011- considering the current situation that number is propably way way higher. Haters gonna hate...

Funny you should mention drones... Kalashnikov company is to start producing intelligence gathering UAVs...
http://www.aif.ru/money/economy/1452998

I repeat Russia will never be able to win against Taliban(backed by US).

Is this "I repeat" supposed to be an argument? http://kolobok.us/smiles/standart/lazy2.gif

In case if you had no idea, in 2000s they've already won the war against the US-backed islamists. Which in fact were just another Taliban/ISIL/IS/whatever.

what to expect from gobbels children...  ::), nice emoticon :).


about this one, I know it sound easy once the fog of war is removed to judge the guy badly (on this topic). However I think he believed the lies of the Americans controllers, they spoke about peace and the end of the cold war, he acted accordingly. The Russian Way.


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Happily they saw trough the lies, realities is best to be followed raw...
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Vladimir_Putin_with_Nikolay_Patrushev-4.jpg/220px-Vladimir_Putin_with_Nikolay_Patrushev-4.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Vladimir_Putin_with_Nikolay_Patrushev-4.jpg/220px-Vladimir_Putin_with_Nikolay_Patrushev-4.jpg

Never get fooled again. So long as Russian Revolution isn't executed in America, ie killing killing killing the infidels and D.E. never believed... and if they do the Russian Rev 3.0 on the America soil, you will see so much blood that it will be impossible to not aknowledge that they have changed... but I don't think they have the intellectual capacity to still do it... they will have to be confronted... let's wait for Japan to open their eyes... they will.

Strictly speaking, they already had a chance in the North Caucasus. Failed miserably, if you are curious. Just in case you don't know or happen to have any doubts, read about Abu al-Waleed, his likes and their inglorious fate.

It is not only Russia's weapons that the West must worry about. Its Russia sheer size.
Russia controls too much of the earth for it to be contained.

The great Russian military power. I bet they have enough rusty junk to match the rest of the world.

http://www.urbanghostsmedia.com/home/twamoran/urbanghostsmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/abandoned-submarines.jpg


http://defensetech.org/2012/06/05/tanks-as-far-as-the-eye-can-see/

Just a few noticeable figures tightly connected with Taliban and Al-Qaida, who fought against Russia in the North Caucasus. All dead by now.

Ibn al-Khattab
Spent the period between 1989 and 1994 in Afghanistan, where he had met Osama Bin Laden. Khattab underwent training in Afghanistan and had close connections with Al-Qaida. Killed by the Russian FSB in March 2002.

Abu al-Walid
Participated in jihad in Afghanistan. Spent two years training at the Maktab al-Khidamat, an organization created by Abdullah Azzam and Osama bin Laden. Killed by members of Sulim Yamadaev’s Special Battalion "Vostok" in Chechnya in April 2004

Abu Hafs al-Urduni
Participated in the Afghan-Soviet war and the Tajik civil war along with Khattab and al-Walid. Killed in a gunfight with Russian special forces in Khasav-Yurt, Dagestan, in November 2006.

Abu Omar al-Kuwaiti
Al-Qaeda agent operating first in Afghanistan and later in Chechnya. Killed in February 2005 by Russian special forces after having been surrounded in his safehouse in Ingushetia.

Abu Omar al-Saif
Saudi Islamist and fighter operating first in Afghanistan (1986–1988) and later in the North Caucasus. Killed by Russian Federal forces in Dagestan in December 2005.

It was the same story in Vietnam. The US spent billions and could never win either!

most of you never watched (enough) 漫画, this one is perfect to teach you the basic concept of war :

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9d/DragonquestTheAdventureOfDai_vol1_Cover.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9d/DragonquestTheAdventureOfDai_vol1_Cover.jpg

Understand why your foes are angry and ready to use violence, evaluate with an open and honest mind the complaints (generally you will see that there is a problem, for ex gmo, systemic prostitution, immunity for sexual offenders and ctrl+p for my case (in short ofc)), solve the issue$, become the best friend of your old foe that will do the Do with you.

Of course it's beyond the grasp of the "man behind the curtail" because he is a sociopath thinking only about him, him, and him. always. Which means that once the combat is engaged there is no others choice than to break him, just before death, so that he can still have a chance, and if his "soul" is gone, finishing IT as a sign of mercy.

That's right most of their army consists of cold war projects later outfitted with new types of radars, night vision, countermeasures and so on. For example their main light vehicle BMP-1 came into production in the 60s and is still used as a platform for many different weapons and as a troop transport. Their main long range bomber  Tupolev Tu-95 was made in the 50s. The only thing Russia has the most in the world is nuclear warheads, but most of them are old and kept in a rusty pre cold war bunkers.

Oh, and let's not forget they have a whole 1 carrier! Italy and India have 2 and the US - 10 :D What is funny they had 2 but sold one to China ;)

the two bottles might even come from the same factory

This is why nuclear weapons, military, wars, and everything that can destroy people, land, countries, or even life itself - should all go away for good.

Just because the United States is having a $600 billion military budget, it doesn't mean that their armed forces is superior. Same type of equipment costs a lot more to manufacture in the US, when compared to Russia. Also, in some fields, the US is way behind Russia. For example, Russia is having the most powerful ballistic missile in the world (SS-18 Satan) and the best air-defense system (S-400 Triumf).

It can't be intercepted but actually it's not superior anymore. RSM-56 is way better.

The only thing that I've learned about the state of readiness of the West and the East is that both sides are completely full of shit and that's what is preventing World War 3, yes, the U.S has advanced technology, but half the people there are too stupid to use it properly and the other half are aware of how dangerous it is and would never use it.

Bulava might be more advanced... but I am not sure whether it is reliable or not. There has been at least a dozen launch failures for this missile so far, with the latest failure occurring less than two years ago.

On the other hand, the SS-18 Satan gave USSR first strike advantage over the U.S.

First of all, Russia's main strategic bomber is supersonic Tupolev Tu-160 ("White Swan"), the fastest bomber out there, which was made in early 1980s (entering service in 1987). But this is not my point entirely. I'm always amused when people say about Tupolev Tu-95 as being old and decrepit... Here comes Boeing B-52 Stratofortress, America's super-modern strategic bomber from 1940s, which is still in service, lo and behold!

1:10 Budget doesn't mean nothing
If 1 USA soldier earns 3-4 more then a russian,
and usa made 1 plane Fxx 10x more expensive than SUXX

I don't think that real ratio is bigger than 1:2

Besides that, we should never forget about 700+ U.S. military bases spread across each continent with more than 2,500,000 personnel serving there. These bases make economical sense only under the U.S. dollar world hegemony (in fact, they serve to support it). As soon as this hegemony ends, all these bases will kill the U.S. economy pretty fast (just like the military expenditures finally killed the economy of the USSR).

One thing is for sure. If control of the military armaments that exist around the world, falls into the hands of insane people, with world populations as high as they are, we just might have the largest mass genocides the world has ever seen.

:)

That will happen in 2016, when Hillary Clinton becomes the POTUS. First she will invade the DPRK. The next will be Iran. And the final target will be Russia, which will result in an all out nuclear warfare.

A small correction. After (or before) she tries to invade Iran, she will be assassinated by CIA like Kennedy... Provided she becomes the president in the first place, which I doubt. I'm always lolling when I hear this abbreviation, sounds like fetus in a pot.

Though I agree that hell has no fury like a woman scorned.

It is almost 99.9% certain that she will be the Democrat candidate in 2016. And with the recent demographic changes, which have occurred in the past few decades, it is almost impossible for the GOP to win presidential elections anymore.

This would be correct for direct voting... But I think you forgot that there is no presidential elections in the USA. President isn't elected by voters, he's appointed by the Electoral College. That's how Bush won 2000 presidential "elections".  ;D

I heard her say that she was not going to run for the presidency (as being too old and too tired of politics), though she might have been just flirting with her electorate.

this made me laugh !  : D

Since when have you started believing what politicians say? :)

I didn't say that I believed that she wouldn't run, I just mentioned that had heard her saying so. Obviously, she might have been playing a touchy.

Same propaganda as usual, Kim Jung Un does the same. "We are so scary, so many nukes". It's how things go, it's just an ego war.

When we are poor in economic and politic management ... the only issue is => We have a great army ... just to give nationalist to citizen and put the fear to avoid to be kicked out !

Russia will never miss an hypocrisis style ... after took Crimea ... Lavrov at ONU asked to add a new proposition ...


And how they took Crimea ? LoL , yes no weapons ... only some little green men !

We only have economic wars these days. Russia still does not have enough financial power to win these types for wars yet.
That's why we have sanctions, to keep Russia weak financially.

Crimea first declared independence ("Everyone should recognize that peoples have the right to choose their own future"), held a referendum and then joined Russia since 96% of its population said "yes" to the accession.

You may not like it, but do you deny peoples the right to choose their own future?

Sure...
http://i.cbc.ca/1.2575118.1395007403!/cpImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/original_300/crimea-referendum-ottawa.jpg
http://media.cagle.com/107/2014/03/14/145703_600.jpg

I'm curious why the poster is written in English? Oh, wait... This photo was actually taken in Ottawa? Then what does it have to do with Crimea?

I'd rather say along the lines of the USSR... Did the USSR become the next North Korea?

I don't think anybody here took this ballot box for the real one, nevertheless the picture sarcastically describes the situation.

You are intrigued that so many people came to vote (over 80%) of which 96% agreed to reunite with Russia (remember that Crimea had been Ukrainian only for 60 years)?

and putin is absolutely right.

there is no war to be won in russia, else the US would already have conquered russia and sibiria.

We all know a war with/between the US, Russia and China would mean the end of the world.

They are just greedy pigs supported by their mighty oligarchy.  They'll learn the same lesson they usually do if they keep their present course.

Are you talking about the American pigs supported by their mighty oligarchy or about the Russian ones?

All pigs are born equal.

The Russian oligarchs are running away to the United Kingdom (Abramovich, Berezovsky.etc) and other corrupt nations, in order to the escape tax claims which are being brought against them.

For truth's sake, Abramovich didn't run to the United Kingdom, though he has property there, e.g. he is known as the owner of Chelsea football club. He lives in Russia, and he served 8 years as the governor of Chukotka (autonomous okrug in Russia).

Right now he is not in very friendly terms with Putin. Putin asked him to donate a part of his wealth to the people of Chukotka, which he obliged for 8 years. But after that he decided that it was costing him too much, and quit. He is slowly moving his assets away from Russia.

You mean this democratic way ? 96% of the population ... do you include the amount of tatars ? Do we need to recall you ... and all Ukrainian who left ... ?

96% .... here is again the proof that it has been a real "dictator" takeover !

http://uatoday.tv/news/moscow-agent-strelkov-admits-russian-army-behind-crimean-referendum-404995.html

I don't think that he would want the fate of Berezovsky for himself. This is not to say that Berezovsky was assassinated or anything of the kind. Berezovsky died in loneliness, without money, forgotten and castoff by his motherland and never truly accepted by his new one.

Berezovsky died because he knew too much about Khodorkovsky's business. If you'll try to find some info about his former business partners, then you'll see that almost all of them are dead now... From gas explosions, car accidents etc. :D

96% of those who have the right to vote and came to vote. I actually don't care what a certain Iror Girkin says. Russian troops were there legally, and they did what they should according to an agreement between Russia and Ukraine in case of a coup in Kiev, i.e. took control to prevent anarchy and chaos.

Putin himself said that they at first were not going to absorb Crimea into the Russian Federation, then they had conducted public opinion polls which revealed that the overwhelming majority desired to join Russia.

Yeah, you know making business in Russia in the 90s was a little risky and, err... bloody, mildly speaking. So you are going to say that Berezovsky didn't die on his own, but had been assassinated by Khodorkovsky's accomplices?

I think so, because I don't believe in coincidences when there is a dozen of accidents and suicides.

Some others who had business with Khodorkovsky:

Steven Curtis, died in 2004
Paul Castle, died in 2010
Robert Curtis, died in 2012
David West, died in 2014
Johnny Elichaoff, died in 2014
Scot Young, died in 2014

The US has the biggest army but Russia can compete.

The voter turnout was 83.1%.

And Crimean Tatars are just 12% of the population in Crimea (Republic + Sevastopol).

Most of the Crimean Tatars (80% to 90%) boycotted the referendum.

I think China has the biggest one, in terms of strength.

1. Putin has $200Billion  (http://www.atlnightspots.com/vladimir-putin-stolen-200-billion-worlds-richest-man/)
2. The Russians has submarine torpedo's that can go as fast as twice the speed of sound.

I think you are confusing torpedoes with cruise missiles launched from submarines. Russian cruise missile P-700 Granit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-700_Granit) has speed of 2.5 Mach.

I have a feeling that if it actually came to a land war (it won't) the Russians would quickly be shown up and routed.
They have lots of troops and good equipment, but even stuff that is 10 years old is pretty much antiquated now.  I think their air defences would be fine to start with, but would be targetted pretty quickly and then the air dominance of the americans would show.

Like I say, I don't think it will happen, but the fact that America spends so much more than the rest of the worlds surely means that they have the best technology too

They said that during the cold war also. Somehow we managed to beat them while partying for decades.

Do you know when Boeing B-52 Stratofortress bomber entered service?

tee-rex, yes, to NATO and their cohorts (including Souldream here) land is more important than people - the atrocities happening in Novorossia is the testimony to that. They are still butthurt that a promised NATO base had a audacity to pack up and walk away. :) As Ron Paul said, if some people decided to secede from RF, then it would be hailed as triumph of democracy the the West, however questionable the procedure, and conversely, if other decide to ascend into RF, it will automatically be blackpainted by the West. Simple hypocrisy.

The whole question of Crimean referendum is actually moot, given that 60 years ago Crimea was transferred to Ukraine illegally and unconstitutionally. The transition was not noticed much, as all happened within the single space of USSR, so people continued to be Russian, speak Russian, and quietly grumbled in the kitchens about some idiot transferring them to Ukraine.

There is also a question of Sevastopol. In USSR is was a "city of state significance", and always reported directly to Moscow - it wasn't a part of Crimea and UkrainianSSR. After USSR, Sevastopol was supposed to retain its status within RF, but was occupied by force by the Ukraine. Ukraine even tried to Ukrainise it by changing the words of the Sevastopol's anthem from "Legendary Sevastopol/The city of Russian sailors" to "Legendary Sevastopol/The city of Ukrainian warriors".

The real forced Ukrainiasation started after the dismemberment of USSR. And the silent protest grew as well. You could often spot homes, where people had Russian flags hanging out of the balconies as a sign of protest. Crimeans' returning to Russia was a question of time, and it's good that it happened sooner and peacefully than later and in a violent protest. Ukraine hoped for the latter option - how else can one explain the Right Sector weapons caches uncovered in Yalta, that were planned to be used to disrupt the referendum?


And some stuff in Russian defence is pretty new. To watch the following, understanding Russian is a bonus, but not necessary. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uOnx3J5Axk

A short summary: it's an interview with Russia's defence minister Shojgu from the new command center, showing some unclassified parts of it. This center is capable of controlling all of Russia's economy, communications and military activity and has a processing power that is several orders higher than the Western counterparts.

Indeed, the military budget of each country speaks the most volumes
In terms of weaponry Russia is still no slowpoke there but can be matched by Americans
Then again depends what type of military strength one talks about infantry air submarines etc.

No, I'm not.  ;)

I just can't fancy a torpedo which would have the speed of twice the speed of sound (~700 m/s). At such speed water would behave more like concrete (unless it gets somehow evaporated en route).

Fascinating, right ?  :)

You are correct. Nothing moves close to that speed in the water. Not to mention that the speed of sound would be different in water. mishax1, could you be thinking of a sub launched missile?

I'll try to provide some clarification in the next days.

Probably has something to do with supercavitation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercavitation) effect used in USSR's Shkval (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VA-111_Shkval) torpedoes or improved variants thereof.

does anybody know where to get 'Putin the Man' movie, want to see this movie..?

edit. found in german (http://www.zdf.de/zdfzeit/mensch-putin-36920132.html), need english version.

These torpedoes can do, as per Wikipeadia, only 370 km/h, which is somewhat faster that 100 m/s, i.e. more than three times less than the speed of sound in the air.

Although I'm not an expert in this, the technology has likely improved since 80's - 90's when it was first deployed. However, if supersonic claim is true, I wouldn't expect any official information about it to be freely available in the open.

Russia has changed a lot in a recent decade and will continue to do so, sanctions might actually accelerate some inner developments that are long overdue.

And now we are waiting for mishax1 to come over here and tell us everything about this new technology (as soon as he clarifies the matter).

This! ^^^

The biggest threat to the West is not Russia, but the Western leaders falling into the trap of believing their own propaganda of weak and backward Russia. :)

Not really. They have much less troops than China, USA or India.
Russia's numbers may look good on paper, but if we counted only weapons and vehicles produced in the last 15 years, they'd be left with half of their gear as most of it, including flagships, was built in the 70s and 80s.

Nowadays, the strength of the army isn't really critical.
China has been downsizing and modernising its defence force.

Sorry guys, I misunderstood the man, the speeds of the advanced torpedo are actually 900-1000km/h (about 1 mach) and not 2mach as I said.

900 km/h (around 250 m/s) is still a far cry from 331 m/s of the speed of sound in the air. Strictly subsonic. Are you sure that the torpedo you are talking about is not a cruise missile, and that it moves entirely in water (not a hydrofoil)?

Not a cruise missile.

Exactly.

JSOW, MALD and HARM, s-400 killers  ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Pu_PKpEhqU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Pu_PKpEhqU)

http://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/PAK-DA.jpg

PAK DA
The PAK DA (or PAK-DA), is a Russian next-generation strategic bomber design, developed by the Tupolev Design Bureau.[1] The PAK DA acronym (ПAК ДA in Russian) stands for пepcпeктивный aвиaциoнный кoмплeкc дaльнeй aвиaции (perspektivnyi aviatsionnyi kompleks dal'ney aviatsii) literally meaning "prospective aviation complex for long-range aviation".[2] The PAK DA was planned to be a new stealthy strategic bomber and is expected to enter service in 2025–30,[1] with the first aircraft previously planned for delivery in 2020,[3] but delivery will now occur in 2023.[4][5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAK_DA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAK_DA)

The ability of a nation to cope with huge population loses can be very important in cases of attrition warfare. China has a population of 1.3 billion. It can sustain population loses up to 100 million. The same can't be said about either the US or the Russians.

With the present day weapons of mass destruction the size of population is not as important as its density (in the reverse order). China's population is accumulated along the seacoast mainly, which makes it an easy target. And it had happened already in the past when British battleships devastated many Chinese coastal cities in the 19th century (during the Opium Wars).

Tactically high casualty devices does make the impact of higher populations less important than the amount of extermination level weaponry you have
Still a population that size is a tactical advantage due to strength in numbers as long as they are fairly reasonably equipped it's quite the multiplier effect.
Imagines a zombie invasion with guns for the zombies
They may not be to strong individually but when swarming they are scary, this of course assumes they have a lot of transit mechanisms to go invade with etc.

Of course WMD does win all but its called MAD for a reason.

That is exactly right! Russia knows never to trust the US. Never rely on them for anything!

No, not exactly, rather somewhat true. It is correct that some countries are stronger in numbers. But if you're going to be using numbers found online there are quite a few websites claiming that Russia is right behind USA in strength if you take into consideration multiple factors.

If the table of the laws where written today I am sure that this line would be at the top :D.