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I would strongly urge people not to give this person money.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97215.0

Why not?

My topic was moved to the trashcan because Zhou Tong has donated a lot of funds to the forum.   ;)

I have never once threatened to do the thief any harm - I simply pointed out what happens to people who steal so much money.  A difference that Maged cannot understand.   :(

You are dealing with "agreements behind doors".

Contradiction:


So, if zhoutong is a real person and he is innocent as you insist, why should he fear a private investigation?

Why should you?

Absolutely.  I received this part in an email from one of the PI interested parties:


You can clearly see that people like Rarity, Matthew and Maged have received, and/or continue to receive, stolen funds to quell any uprising.

It's unfortunate that this theft has split the community the way it has.  :(

Because the person running it has threatened violence against him.  There is a difference between fearing the law and fearing a lynch mob featuring calls to stalk and injure someone.


https://i.imgur.com/sEdK0.jpg

Quote, or it never happened, and you are just being paid to libel me.   ;)

It's already been quoted, and the mods read it too.  FUD and conspiracy theories aren't getting you anywhere.

Quote, or it never happened!

It's already been quoted, and the mods read it too.  FUD and conspiracy theories aren't getting you anywhere.

There ya go - I never threatened anybody.    :)

It's already been quoted, and the mods read it too.  FUD and conspiracy theories aren't getting you anywhere.  Replying "NUH-UH!" and whining about the mods bitchslapping you down is not going to change what you did.

Do you have a link to the quote?  Did you read it when you were high?

It has already been quoted and the mods decided to shut down your thread.  Stop acting like a six year old pretending you can get out of what you did with a repetitive tantrum.

What has already been quoted?  You're telling me your only evidence is something that was deleted?  I'm telling you it never happened, and I am of sound mind and body. 

Stop acting like a child and produce the quote or STFU - I have never threatened anybody.

I have already quoted the offending comments in this thread, and Matthew quoted the deleted one you are trying to pretend doesn't exist like a guilty child.  Having a tantrum about it and insulting the integrity of the moderators will not change what happened.  Grownups take responsibility for our actions, and one day you will learn that.

@mlawrence - Please stop feeding the Troll Pony

Then you will have no problem quoting it here again.  Otherwise, it didn't happen.

Come on Rarity - the thread was supposedly deleted cause I have a "HISTORY" of threatening him - that must mean I have threatened him before, right?

Find one threat and I'll shut up.  Just one little quote, or it didn't happen, no matter how many times you say it did.

So, a user suggest to organize a legitimate private investigation to discover real evidence and clarify the matter, but you admit that he is trying to gather a "lynch mob featuring calls to stalk and injure someone"?

Again, you are being contradictory.

After all, you try to associate him with "conspiracy theorists"... You, a user which admits being a male with an avatar of a pony?

AH AH AH

Pathetic.

I have no need to quote it here as anyone can simply go read the comments when they were originally posted, when they were quoted in this thread, or note that the moderators have deleted your thread based on them.  If I play this game with you, just like if I played it with a six year old, in a few minutes you will just repeat it when we get to the next page.  


I'm not going to play along with your tantrum, take responsibility for what you did and move on if you want to rejoin the adult conversation.

That is how I replied.  I'm taking the forum out of the equation by giving the address and name to the people who are pressing charges.  It doesn't matter if 99% of the forum feels Zhou is innocent - the police are going to look right past that bullshit, examine the evidence presented on the first post of this thread, and put the little thief in prison.

Where?  No such comments exist.  Why not quote them here?  Wait a few hours until your buzz subsides before you post again.

Your cheap psychological warfare is laughable and obvious.

They have already been quoted in this thread, the moderators already made their decision on what they meant.  I'm sorry that I have to take a firm hand on this, and I know as a young man you resent authority figures, but threats against another member of this forum are simply not appropriate.  You have to grow up.

Are you denying that Zhou made a substantial contribution to your magazine?


Thank you - I wonder how Maged managed to see something that exists only in Rarity's delusions?

You refuse to quote it because it doesn't exist.  Game over - you lose.   ;D

Holy shit - you just threatened to kill Zhou Tong!   ;D

When Rarity comes down she may realize I never threatened anybody.  Or she may not.  But I trust the reasonable forum members know what is going on here.

Anyone who doubts this issue has not already been quoted in the thread extensively can check here to realize that Mlawrence is trying to lie his way out of his actions.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95795.msg1069538#msg1069538

You will note that any vagueness about potentially implying someone else would be putting Zhou in a wheelchair can be eliminated when Mlawrence himself admits he is incriminating himself.  He also admitted to stalking, which was deleted and he is now pretending does not exist.  

When you reference violent mob justice, try and find where someone lives, admit you are stalking and committing a crime, you force the mods to act.  Having a tantrum about it does not change the responsibility the moderators have to protect the users of this forum from serious violent threats from other users.  It's a shame he fooled so many of you into buying into his tantrum, I hope you do not think giving him any more attention at this point will be a productive endeavor.  

I'm not letting him get away with it - I'm hiring a PI to bring him to justice and he will spend years in prison.  "Invasion" will become a nightly thing for him.   ;)

Thanks for producing that quote and showing everyone I never really threatened anyone.

Have a great afternoon!   :)

As I tried to explain, quoting is pointless.  He now pretends the part of the quote where he admits his actions are criminal did not occur, what is the point of quoting someone who won't take responsibility for their own quotes?

mlawrence did not admit to commit to any crime...

You are producing fictional events with no evidence whatsoever.


Pony's shit...

Aggressive words in a open forum in the cyberspace do not harm anyone, therefore there is nothing to be "protected" because there is not any imminent danger.

I am glad that I do not have to clean the mess you do with your manure's mindset.

He did admit to stalking, the post was deleted.  It was quoted in this thread before that happened.  He is also quoted as saying his actions were incriminating himself, you aren't incriminating yourself when you aren't committing a crime.  

When you combine threats of violence and stalking with the action of actually trying to hunt someone down you have crossed a line.

Nonsense Rarity, and welcome to the ignore list.  Good riddance.

Again, there isn't much point in quoting things here.  Folks will pretend the quote doesn't say what it does, and ignore you so they don't have to experience the cognitive dissonance of believing a lie anymore.  Oh well.  He said out of his own mouth he was incriminating himself and stalking, I can't make you accept a truth you want to reject because you have fallen prey to the witch hunt atmosphere surrounding Zhou Tong.

Remember you don't have to take my word on this, we have his own words and the moderators have confirmed this whole thing by deleting his thread and explaining why they did it.

I second that...

Tired of reading bullshit from a Brony...

AH AH AH

You are desperate.

Look like you are not going to be hired again.

Psychological warfare does not work around here.

Thank you by the show off and the show business.

I had a sarcastic laugh at least.

I think I can excuse you for not understanding the quotes since English does not appear to be your first language.

3rd.

I know a PI in Australia and I am an Australian Citizen - if you need any help organizing this Id be glad to be your local contact.

If someone wishes to get a PI to investigate ZT, that's absolutely ok. However, I cannot allow mlawrence or anyone else who even jokingly threatens violence against ZT to publicly gather funds to "investigate" ZT, unless they are directly giving the payment information for a legitimate PI. Anything short of that could potentially leave the forum liable for any illegal action taken against ZT, since the issue was reported to the moderation team. If it wasn't reported, I could care less what you guys do, as long as you're on-topic in the threads you post in. However, this was reported with significant evidence that the funds might be used to hire a hitman.

Reported by who?

Which evidence?

Crocodile Dundee is already on the case.

http://gostudyinaustralia.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/crocodile-dundee.jpg

Wait a second... are ALL PI's hitmen? Ergo Sum Assassinatus? Was Magnum actually a killer? Damn, another of my childhood heroes shot to hell! This just sucks. It's getting to be so you can't even open up the internet without having your heart broken.

Personally, I'm all for the snuffing out of our brightest youngsters.  It makes it easier for the rest of us to get ahead.


edit:  I am a wicked man.

We both know no one even jokingly threatened anyone with violence.   And YOU were the first person to ever use the term hitman - right there. But I understand your need to help out someone who generously gave $$ to this forum.   ;)

In any case, I understand the forum's legal obligation on this, so I will set up a separate venue to post information on the case once it is received from the PI.

I am seriously considering suing the forest from whence came the wood pulp that became the paper upon which I read sad news the other day. Where should I serve my papers?

That's about as ethically competent as the thought that this forum or any other fora, could be liable for any criminal act of any individual posting thereupon.

Just for shits and grins, consider that argument in the reverse... is this forum also legally liable for not removing the information posted about the alleged criminal Zhou Tong, or the alleged criminal acts of the AurumXchange? Is this forum also not in direct violation of AML laws in every country that has the internet, since there is clearly money laundering being discussed here?

Let's turn the dial down from hysterical knee-jerk reaction and get back to just slightly off-kilter again- this is just silly.

This has moved to "Off-Topic" by the mods to let it die.  We have stated our opinions - let's let everyone make up their mind.

You have the power to lock the thread, but regardless I won't be paying anymore attention.

::)  God this place is ridiculous :D

Maged's "significant evidence" is obviously just going to be vague assertations from Rarity (who's clearly out of his mind) with no evidence to back it up.  I saw those posts by mlawrence and I certainly didn't take any of them the way that Rarity would have you believe.

Christ, such bullshit.

Reading all these shiny fairy tales from ZT's paid crooks makes me sick.

Forum operators knowingly accepted potentially stolen funds from a potential scammer.
If evidence is established, that's called money laundering where I live. (So much about "leaving the forum liable".)

mlawrence did absolutely nothing questionable here.

The actions of the moderators (showing ads from potential scammers, defending potential scammers, hiding relevant information, obstructing community action) speak for themselves.

I'll suppress my lulz until I receive a clarified response from you on this one but...


what legal and sane "action" from the "community" was being "obstructed"?

Please don't tell me you think that not wanting murderous bloodthirsty psychos on the internet to stalk and murder a minor over hearsay is obstruction of justice in any way.

After reading the responses in the first lynch mob thread, it's safe to say that this was an accurate picture and there are -plenty- of reasons why it should not be allowed to escalate without criminal investigations.

http://static.fjcdn.com/comments/whats+so+gay+about+sprite+i+drink+it+quite+frequently+_372340779973d9ce1958a1e9cd8672c8.jpg

Appears another one of the paid ones has popped up.

If we tried to feed him, a lengthy statement would follow.  ::)

No one pays me to call things as I see them. I take great joy in proving you wrong for absolutely free.  :)

That's a lot of potentials and ifs for a guy you are so adamant is guilty.

I'm 'the mod' who moved this to 'Off-Topic', supposedly to let it die. And no, I didn't get a single bitcent from Intersango, Zhou Tong or any party in this debate.

See this? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=97141.0) I don't give a fuck about Chaang Noi being a VIP or Matthew being another staff - what is off-topic goes to the off-topic section in my books. And no, us mods do not get a single bitcent from being a mod - we're just volunteers that help to unclog everything in this forum.

There, I said it.

Okay, so the Mods and the Admins are really nothing more than the great unwashed hoi polloi like the rest of us but they get shiny user titles. The board is funded, in part, by those donations, so you are volunteers laboring for a system that is, in part, funded by questionable source. Personally I don't take issue with any of you, even when I have been rightly or wrongly disciplined, its the nature of a beast like this forum. But, please don't ask any body to believe that there is not a wider sense of tolerance for significant donators.

Uhh, isn't Chaang a donator? VIP even? Please don't make me prove you wrong.

*pulls a list of donators he has verbally raped*

Here, I'll help you out: https://bitcointalk.org/donate.html <-- a complete list of donators and VIPs

Thanks!

Let's go through the list:

casascius - called him a loser, said he was ruining bitcoin for making Casascius coins and taking away from their validity of bitcoin (and confusing newbies) and for making a POS that I think will never be used ever.

zhoutong - I've told him he's an asshole for fighting with Ken and throwing a tantrum where he posted a thread here about how Cryptoxchange was lying about their stats without even talking to Ken about it first, proved him wrong, then he retracted it like a child and didn't even apologize correctly.

Goat - I've told him he's an annoying prick after he wasted my time, confused everything in his order, acted like a 60 year old grandma who's never used a computer before, made veiled threats and strutted his bruised ego around like a moron.

Blitzboom - I've argued with him in depth about bitcoinica and whether it is good or not and shared quite a few insults with him

shakaru - I've called him a fucktard and gotten in many arguments on the forum about him and his personal lack of business skills, to which he replied "You're a running joke" and referred to me as hitler in some context.

DeathAndTaxes - This stupid mother fucker used to be cool in my eyes, but then flipped the bitch switch on for no apparent reason. I'll give him a chance to change his mind later, but I'm pretty sure he's one of those "old man" style cocksuckers that isn't worth having on your side.

Boss - This is Atlas. Please dont' make me talk about that faggot as the conversation will result in reasons for why his mom should have aborted him.

aurumxchange - This is Roberto, who thinks through intimidation that he can cover up his mistakes (which he's learning doesn't work). We have yet to end our little squabble because he's avoiding all the right questions.

bccasino - Basically running an illegal website with a history of defrauding users and although I haven't -fought with him- at all, we've had a run in on this very issue that I was vocal about regardless of his "status".



Unfortunately that's about all I can remember for now.

I'd like to say that -most- of these little hissyfits were misunderstandings, me being too aggressive at a time I didn't understand the intentions of people and hadn't really gotten my hand on the community, and basically felt threatened easily by anyone and everyone. Things changes after that to just getting on people's nerves for shits and giggles. Now however, I'm a bit more sewious and typically only drill someone when I truly believe they're doing something wrong.

Btw, I have fought numerous times with Theymos as well and think that his ridiculous claim that I was a "scammer" deserves a swift punch to the face, but we've agreed to disagree.

There, that's my proof that no matter what someone's status, I speak my mind. Next mod's turn!

P.S. In Bruno style, I reserve the right to delete this post later if I think it causes the above listed members unnecessary hurty touchy feelings.

Too late, I quoted it. :P

Me too! Now we're quote buddies!

The point is actually made in your ability as a Staff member to hurl abuse on people. Those who are donators, Staff, Insiders, Double Secret Buddies, VIP's etc. have wider latitude to misbehave than the rank and file. If you were just a little newt of a n00b and you started with the fucktards and the cocksuckers etc., you would soon find yourself afoul of the management. Instead, you are Staff so you can go full Tourette's and not suffer a hiccup.

Matthew's been banned so many times it isn't even funny. He doesn't troll like he used to, and you should know better than anyone else that we don't consider abuse to be trolling. I've defended your posting, and Matthews as well (at times...).

I mean really? Look at your past posts and tell me you're joking when you say Matthew is hurling abuse on people.

Don't get me wrong I'm not complaining about your posting, just trying to get a little perspective here.

Okay, whoa. I am not challenging Matthew or the Mods or anybody else here. I was making a point that those who contribute are given a little bit more rope to hang themselves with. That's all. Donate and you get a greater degree of forbearance. I know damn good and well that I have pushed up against the barriers of good taste, social politeness, and reasonable debate on numerous occasions. That's who I am. Matthew is much the same. He gets to carry a Staff badge, and that can be a license to avoid judgement. Others with similar badges have stickied their own commercial posts, have engaged in flame wars, taunted and insulted with the best of them. Machs nichts. My point, to get pedantic with it, is that there are varying levels of tolerance in this community, and when someone has acted like Uncle Sugar, and spread his happy financial sunshine around, he buys tolerance, and even defensive reaction.

Yes, I was joking, in the tone of Matthew's post citing all the examples of how he has ABUSED USERS.

Please, in the interest of accuracy and integrity, consider the context here.