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PICISI will be a crowdfunding website that accepts fiat and cryptocurrency.

It will be a very powerful vehicle for introducing CC to the broader world.  It will enable many different coin communities to get their respective coins lots of exposure and use.  Utility is the highest function for a currency, with PICISI Organizers and Donors are gently immersed in a world where CC has meaningful and practical financial value -- at PICISI CC get lots of attention.

When visitors come to the site to raise funds for things that interest them they will have the opportunity to collect fiat as well as CC.  There are two host currencies, one for fiat and one for CC.   The Organizer has three options: a) accept sponsorship, b) select from list of CCs, or c) PICISI coin (default).  If they select sponsorship they will actually get paid because of that selection.   That's a great way to introduce CC to someone.   As Host CC sponsor all CC donations (regardless of type) are immediately converted to your currency and remain in that currency until spent or for the duration of the campaign.  The Organizer has the opportunity to spend CC donations with a campaign contractor(s) who help Organizers create, develop, and/or promote their campaign; thereby causing your currency to cycle again.

In addition to Host CC, there are 4 other sponsorship opportunities.

I need you to create an image that will be used as a guide or model of what the home page will look like.  It will also be used at the artificial home page until the site is built.

So you need someone to create a PSD Template? ( Photoshop doc ) [ An idea of what you website will look like ]
I can help you out. I live making templates. How do we apply? Do we publicly post our work ?

Yes, "PSD Template" would be fine.   What is your price?  I currently have it posted at Guru and will likely post it at Fiverr but I would love to get it filled here.
if the price is right, yes you could post publicly it will promote your biz and PICISI at the same time.

Websites Designs 0.2 / page

MaliceRed offers Graphic work for bitcoin over at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=559613.0

Thanks, I will reach out to them





I'm going to assume that's a price quote of  .2 BTC, thanks for the quote

Your assumption is correct. 0.2 is perfect.

If you still need someone please let me know i can do it. on the other hand i highly recommend malice red because of his experience

I would appreciate it if you would submit your quote.  

I did post at Malice's thread, I'm sure he will respond when he has a chance, it's likely he's working on other projects.


thanks

$75 for a stunning landing page. I have quite a few designer friends who can do this with perfection.

Thanks for your quote,  I must say that I expect a 'stunning page' regardless of price, however I seriously doubt that price will see favor

You get what you pay for.
I will deliver nothing but a stunning page.

Although in many cases that phase is often true, when it come to artistic talent it really doesn't.   If I spent $75 with you for the "stunning page", then offered you $100 for a more stunning page, followed by $500 for a page 5x more stunning, followed by $1000 ...   the simple fact is a contractor's best is his best regardless of his price.

But given your "you get what you pay for" statement please square it with the following:

That was a different purpose, but yes, I agree $2 is quite low. In fact, it's very low. Funny how you're relating it.

As you see I posted there too, well prior to your bid.  When I saw the bid I didn't think you were serious but when I saw your reply to his reply I understood otherwise.

Yes, when I line up the two bids a stalk contrast is evident, then when I juxtapose those bids with the "you get what you pay for" comment it truly does render a musing mosaic.

My guess is you will use your subcontracting talents to make lots of money via PICISI when it is formed.

Hey!
I am a graphic, web and motion graphic designer with over 5years of experience in this field!
I saw ur post regarding the graphical work!
I can do that and that to as soon as u tell me too do!
I will provide quality design and service

recently made logo for backed.io and any more submitted in the recent post

portfolio :- https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bx2AMhJfb6-XdmtiQWl0REt2M0U&authuser=0
and
1. https://i.imgur.com/2MeoSMM.png
2. https://i.imgur.com/ftvN9hg.png
3. https://i.imgur.com/Uxih1wj.png
4. https://i.imgur.com/5cIn4DH.jpg
5. https://i.imgur.com/TMVNMIf.jpg
My sites
Siteav.in
Join.siteav.in
And many more in my portfolio!
I can make a video promo also!
for videos visit
https://www.youtube.com/user/Siteavtutorial


prices are negotiable and depends on the work!

Waiting or your reply!

Regards

^ Don't post your portfolio here. Make your own thread rather. That just clutters the thread.

This is a short thread, and I don't mind contractors showcasing their portfolio.  I'd also like bids.  But you are correct, he should also create a thread dedicated to his business.




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someone asked me in PM

"...  u want a web page of graphics i can provide both"

My response was: "...  a question best asked in public because it would serve many others too ...  What I want is an image.  An image that looks like a webpage.  It will be used as a place holder for the website as it gets developed. and will probably also provide some guidance for the site developer.

When will you be finalising your choice for the person?

When I see an impressive style and price I will offer that person the assignment.   I also have it listed at Guru.com too.

Well, if you haven't seen my thread. Here it is:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=715634.0 . I specialise in FlatUI which has a modern look to it. Almost like coinbase.com

Although the rate you posted in this thread appears higher than the rate at your thread, the bid is still in 1st position.    You are the only person that provided portfolio and price,  so to be fair to myself  and the process I must provide for other bids. 

thanks

Depends on the time factor. I've developed air a few projects and I have good contacts in pretty much every fiend such as coding, WordPress, copywriting, designing, growth hacking. So that's a plus point

Hey!
I just saw that u want designers to tell their fee!
Well i can work in any budget though..
I would offer a price of 0.2 btcs
As it is most common and affordable price offered for logos and designs!
Price is negotiable!
Looking forward for doing bussiness with u!
Regards

I've amended the OP to provide a guide for what I need.

I can make something like this for you for $100.

It will be very HQ and of course I will make it first but watermark the design. If you like it then you can buy it. I do require more info so I know how to make it.

Do you already have a logo / corporate identity?

Your bid is high however, to consider it further you should provide your portfolio of work for examination.

Be cautious of scammers. I am not accusing anyone, just a word of advice.

Equinoxx, thanks for the warning.









thanks for your question,

I don't have a corporate logo, that will come later, for now we use a stylized "PICISI".  

Most of the future work for PICISI will be done for PICISI tokens not BTC or USD
that will be one of the very many opportunities for contractors associated with PICISI.

how would I be scamming if I am providing sample to him first and allowing a escrow?

focus on the client ...

may I see your portfolio please

I said I wasn't accusing anyone. Do you understand that?

But you quoted him,  which implies you saw his offer as suspicious.

I quoted OP. OP quoted the member. It was advice and was appreciated by the OP.

Equinoxx, you got the contract.   Please see the OP so that you have a sense of what I want.   Post all of your work here in this forum so everyone can share their opinion.

Yes! Ok, I will get started now.

Sorry man, I have been chosen to help execute this project.
Sick designs though.

Thanks for the response, I see the project is being done already, good luck!  8)
(If you need a logo/corporate identity I am more than happy to design it!)

Equinoxx, was awarded the contract to do the job.  Yesterday he submitted his first draft.   I invited him to share it here, I want everyone to see the development of this project show that they could weigh in if they wish.

Equinoxx please update the thread

Sure thing. Give me one minute and I will post the picture I pmed you.

Here is how it's looking. I have been told to take more of a non-literal approach. I will update this tomorrow.

https://i.imgur.com/oVALN9q.png

Thanks, please view the "non-literal" suggestion as a license to be more creative

Sure thing. Will update this tomorrow. But how are you liking the colors so far?

I'd rather not micromanage the project, I think you have a sense of what I want go where you feel with the project is leading you creatively.


thanks

This sounds like a great project and we would like to get involved. Our coin is undergoing a rebranding and revival and our community would get behind this effort.

This would be especially beneficial to our community if you could accept our coin as one of the cryptocurrencies.

Let me know if there is any way we can assist.

Banksycoin (soon to be Artsycoin)  thanks for being one of the first CC to endorse PICISI your support is appreciated.  

Here's a little update on where PICISI is at:

 - one contractor (see above) is working on the PSD  to give everyone a sense of what the site will likely look like. I expect that to be completed within the week.

 - another contractor is working on the site itself, I expect the site to be completed in just over a month.  

and

I started movement in the direction of NXT's platform to originate the PICISI token.


As for what you can do, please:
1) provide your logo so that I could have it incorporated into the PSD
2) recommend people for PICISI administrative positions
and
3) tell others about PICISI

I have another redesign. The measurements are off as this is just a 'sketch' of it.

https://i.imgur.com/Dza8Dbk.png

since there's no meaningful creative difference, let's move forward with the first one.

In the spaces allocated for sponsor logos place the following:

1) highest in left column https://i.imgur.com/KISijPV.png
2) highest in right column https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fartsycoin.com%2Fimages%2FArtsyCoin_temp.jpg&t=550&c=g6pfayvdbDEtig
3) 2nd highest in left column https://i.imgur.com/H8fekUT.png
4) 2nd highest in right column
5)

others logo will come until the point is complete, if you finish the project before all of the sponsor spaces filled that would be fine.

I suggest you don't put so much into the footer. It's very congested. Give the social media logos a separate row. And the privacy policy and the other stuff a separate row

Just giving a little shot. For some reason the image quality was low but its very HQ on my end

https://i.imgur.com/soqiTl4.png

Question: would it matter if the initial view is of the 8 to to 10 snapshot campaigns, then as you scroll down you get to the other content.

In this way more 'meat' (showcase campaigns) could be featured in the heart of the page. 

that looks good, it puts the header and footer in proper perspective however, the sponsor logos are too big.

we are showcasing the campaigns so their perspective must be larger.   Of course we are not using any sliders.

btw you know the contract to do the job went to Equinoxx?  

Finishing up now. Give me 20 minutes.

I see what you said to Skyenet and I decided to just improve on it. Here it is: https://i.imgur.com/16OeCJJ.png

I was looking forward to seeing what your update yesterday.


Equinoxx, I indicated that "the header and footer [are] in proper perspective",  that "the sponsor logos are too big",  "we are showcasing the campaigns
 so their perspective must be larger", and "not using any sliders"  yet that translated to:

https://i.imgur.com/16OeCJJ.png
That is not what you should have gotten from my message.  

I will be more specific:

1) make the content in your header the size of the content in Skyenet's header,
2) remove specific mention of any CC that is not a sponsor
3) remove the slider
4) reduce the size of the logos substantially (they are to fit in the margin but not take up all of the space, they should be tastefully placed)
5) put in all of the campaign snapshots, those are the heart of the site, the webpage, and this project.  
    In looking at them we are better able to put the rest of the page into proper perspective.
6) replace the header "logo" with a stylized PICISI
7) center the 'Top Campaigns / Start Your Campaign / Search'
8) fill in the 'categories' in the footer with categories  
9) the social network corner was fine with the logos or as they are



thanks

Can you please add me on Skype: EquinoxxBitcoin. I am not used to working like this.

I am not one to budge in but it seems Eq is lacking creativity as he clearly just copied what I did and didn't pay attention to what you needed. Design wise his doesn't really fit a web based template. I thought you should know this.

Also it was not eq fault about the logo as you were not very descriptive of it. You need to tell the designs the image sizes needed for them.  As for filling in categories you have not even gave any details to EQ for what to put it. You want something done right you have to do your work too.

Designing does take us time and you should take the time to at least make a skeleton base with content words needed in there which will provide a x2 times faster progress. Also by doing this it eliminates your "You forgot to add details and text" from the designers (which you didn't give to them)

I know you didn't pick me but I just thought your should know this for future references when you are doing things.

Sorry, I don't do skype.   I'll send you a PM if there is content you want to keep private.




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You are perfectly welcome to include your view(s) in this public discussion, I think it is enlightening, and healthy for all involved.  

I work with many different contractors from all around the world for very many years, when I look at a portfolio I am often able to see a 'fingerprint', a style, a patter to how they work.   Design work is often artistic, I like give an artist the ability to place his fingerprint on my work; sometimes the designer is less artist and more of a contractor that simply wants specs to guide them; you never know what kind of designer you have until you start seeing drafts.

You are absolutely correct, there are many things I didn't say, could have said, or should have said, but in most cases that was by design to give the designer artistic license.  As you know artistic license doesn't forbid the artist / contractor from asking for direction.  I want the contractor/designer to like what they are doing during the job, but more importantly I want the contractor to be proud of what they have done for a long time after the job is completed.

The best information was the sketch that you provided. And I replicated at with a Flat UI style and it was lacking creativity.
So, you have pmed me what you want me to do. I will do a rough try when I get home from university.

Just enjoyed reading through this thread. I've got to wonder whether $100 is a high fee. Seems there's a lot of going back and forth. When you take all that in to account what's your hourly rate on this?

Are you saying your hourly rate starts ticking at the point of customer interest or at the point at which you actually start working on the project?

How about this, let's say you get $15 p/hr and I get $200 p/hr, during the back and forth that you spoke of, do you pay me for my time to explain what I want to you?

Here are some online services that I've used for a number of years with great success: oDesk.com, peopleperhour.com, guru.com, and fiverr.com. This job would have
cost me about $15 and done in 2 days max by highly experience contractor with extensive portfolio.  BTW, I never do hourly deals, only flat-rate deals, I don't like
to look over anyone's shoulders or snap a whip.  

I didn't follow my conventions in this case because this project -- PICISI, has a lot to do with cryptocurrency, and has a campaign contractor component.  Many of the contractors that have come to this thread will likely work for campaign organizers at PICISI helping them to create, develop, and or promote their campaigns at reasonable rates when the site is up and running.

I have to say I don't agree with fiverr at all. No one can make a living in rates like that. But if people want to do it that's fine I guess. The only problem is it pushes people's expectations of what a job costs down. Which means designers / coders etc end up working for hardly anything.

My hourly is considerably more than $15. :)

Just to add to that. No your hourly shouldn't be adjusted because you need to give input to the project. Ideally the brief will be good and the designer good enough to interpret the brief first time.

Digital work in the global market place is extremely competitive.

It's unfair to want to value the contractors time but not the employer's time, if you value education, skills, and experience then it doesn't matter which side of the contract one is on fair is fair.  

I couldn't agree more with you.

It's not just fiverr, it's in these forums aswell. And I don't mean to point or dename, as I think that us graphics designers need to stick together.

I'm only saying that the amount of Graphics design freebies and 1$ logo/banner threads have been fairly popular. And for these people, it's a matter of getting money, and I understand that. We all need to put food on the table. But in actuality, you're hurting yourself and others who design. These people need to understand that there is a pricing equilibrium. (Time, Resources, effort and then you have to consider the fact that your image will be used long after you are done, minimum wage). When you price your design irresponsibly, you're hurting the trade overall. These designers need to consider this more. And while yes, you may get work more often, you will encourage others to compete with your pricing and thus lower the value you can expect, and eventually lower the amount of work you will get.

At the same time, Entrepreneurs need to realize, company image is the first thing a company's value is based on in these days. If your branding looks bad, it will leave a negative impression, while a good branding leaves a positive impression. If you're willing to go cheapskate on something as important as the face of your company or service, that doesn't speak well for your company overall.

And yes, I understand, you need to conserve resources. Totally understandable. But one can argue, if you cannot afford proper branding solutions, then you probably and most likely will not have resources for the rest of the project. But again, I am speaking from my experiences.

When I look around in the service forum, I see start-ups and entrepreneurs trying to find the best branding for the least amount of money. And they will find it every single time. $10 logos,  $5 banners. But they fail to realize, this will hurt them in the long run. Logos, banners, all branding should be an investment. And you won't find any halfway decent graphics designer who will work for you for $10.

Competition is very healthy and promotes a free market.

But alot of people are forgetting about wages. However, it would seem it balances itself out as the truly talented and experienced designers will always provide higher quality works. And while the few people who are talented and are willing to design under fair wage, eventually they will not.

Earlier in this thread a contractor placed a bid on this job at a rate that was above the average bids submitted at the time, that same individual, as an employer made an offer to a contractor in a different thread at a rate substantially lower than any bid in that thread.   Both bids could be justified in any number of ways, what struck me was when he told me something to the effect that 'you get what you pay for', that's when I could not resist and had to quote the 'low ball bid' and inquire if the sentiment applied there too. 

When PICISI (the crowdfunding website) is completed Campaign Contractors will be able to work for campaign organizers to create, develop, and/or promote their campaign.  It's going to be a place where satisfaction and performance determine who does financially well.  In an effort to insure reasonable standards it will have a free escrow service, a comprehensive feedback system, and a reward system for contractors that do well.   

PICISI contractors will have a leg up because campaign organizers will be able to access CC funds collected to spend with campaign contractors during the campaign. 

It's all about demand and supply.  8)

Equinoxx has indicated that he is "backing out from [the] project. You can choose someone else." 

Although I'm very disappointed in his action, I will move forward.   


I will close this thread and start a new one to give everyone an opportunity to place their bids.