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Title: Change the rules! Post by: olcaytu2005 on March 04, 2015, 10:51:13 PM To my opinion;
If a person discover a service from service ann. Or from somewhere and introduce it in local forum by translating, he has to share his ref link in his post. But not the signature section coz we use that section for signature campaign. In the same local forum, if another person opens a thread about the same service and gives his ref link then it might be accepted as a spam but not first ones. So, in the local forums, it must be free to give ref link if the thread and service is new. Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: olcaytu2005 on March 04, 2015, 11:08:49 PM Dont be afraid guys ! Ref link is spam or ref link needs to be free?
Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: hilariousandco on March 04, 2015, 11:40:23 PM You probably should give more info because most people won't have any clue what you're talking about. For those that don't, he wants to be able to post his ref links without having them deleted or removed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.msg10661224#msg10661224
Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: (oYo) on March 04, 2015, 11:52:57 PM You probably should give more info because most people won't have any clue what you're talking about. For those that don't, he wants to be able to post his ref links without having them deleted or removed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.msg10661224#msg10661224 LOL. OK, I see now. I was going to ask him to elaborate, when I first saw his post, but then I was like, whatever idgaf and just left instead. :P @olcaytu2005, Just give it up. You won't win. If you don't like the rules, make your own website. The most you'll get out of this pursuit is a ban. ;D Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: SaltySpitoon on March 05, 2015, 04:39:27 AM We aren't going to allow referal spam, even with 100 million votes for yes, this isn't one of those on the fence, questionable, lets hear from the community to decide sort of situations. Its a little bit irritating that I went through the time to fully explain to you, yet you felt the need to make essentially a spam thread, if this wasn't in meta it would be removed as spam. I'm sort of seeing a theme here though, perhaps you should aquaint yourself with what spam really means.
Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: funtotry on March 05, 2015, 04:44:53 AM Can someone link me to these rules? I have no idea what you are talking about. Last time I checked there were no rules on this site lol. Just don't scam and don't spam. Also ban evasion is a rule as well but everyone and their grandma has an alt account these days.
Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: yenzae0215 on March 05, 2015, 04:47:37 AM i dont like refferal links to be allowed as it will only increase spam posts...
Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: funtotry on March 05, 2015, 04:48:59 AM i dont like refferal links to be allowed as it will only increase spam posts... Ref links should DEFINITELY be banned, except for signatures where they should be allowed. If you are advertising you want to be able to track which user is referring people from signature campaigns, so they can see who is most effective. But if you are advertising your OWN site, ref links are not needed, and advertising other peoples sites should not be having ref linksTitle: Re: Change the rules! Post by: freedomno1 on March 05, 2015, 04:54:45 AM I was wondering what the topic was myself reading the OP
Was vague anyways looking at it in terms of ref links not really something to encouraged unless it was relevant to a user question Say X wants to know where to gamble Y replies with a site then ref link they can optionally use if they are interested Even then it should be in signatures only for most cases anyways this fits in mod power so if they say no answer is nope :) Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: yenzae0215 on March 05, 2015, 04:56:48 AM Can someone link me to these rules? I have no idea what you are talking about. Last time I checked there were no rules on this site lol. Just don't scam and don't spam. Also ban evasion is a rule as well but everyone and their grandma has an alt account these days. is this what you are looking for? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0 Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: devthedev on March 05, 2015, 04:58:45 AM Can someone link me to these rules? I have no idea what you are talking about. Last time I checked there were no rules on this site lol. Just don't scam and don't spam. Also ban evasion is a rule as well but everyone and their grandma has an alt account these days. There's a little bit more than that, here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0)'s the official unofficial list of official rules. Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: BitcoinFr34k on March 05, 2015, 05:01:31 AM Can someone link me to these rules? I have no idea what you are talking about. Last time I checked there were no rules on this site lol. Just don't scam and don't spam. Also ban evasion is a rule as well but everyone and their grandma has an alt account these days. here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0) is a unofficial list of the official rules. The OP appears to be upset about his referral spam being deleted. We aren't going to allow referal spam, even with 100 million votes for yes, this isn't one of those on the fence, questionable, lets hear from the community to decide sort of situations. Its a little bit irritating that I went through the time to fully explain to you, yet you felt the need to make essentially a spam thread, if this wasn't in meta it would be removed as spam. I'm sort of seeing a theme here though, perhaps you should aquaint yourself with what spam really means. In theory if he made a strong enough argument then the rule would be changed. The administration is fair that way, if a strong argument is made for a change and such change is not going to open the forum up for any potential legal repercussions then changes will be made. The thing is that there is really no realistic argument to allow for referral spam Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: Grand_Voyageur on March 05, 2015, 05:31:57 AM What is your opinion? I'm happy with the actual rules (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0); so, I don't feel a need to change them. You probably should give more info because most people won't have any clue what you're talking about. For those that don't, he wants to be able to post his ref links without having them deleted or removed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.msg10661224#msg10661224 Oh, really? Maybe is just another of the immature spammers who cannot live with the consequences (ban) of their actions (ref links spam). Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: waterpile on March 05, 2015, 06:12:57 AM I'm happy with the current forum rules. I think it doesn't need to be changed and it will improve as time goes on.
Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: SaltySpitoon on March 05, 2015, 06:13:40 AM In theory if he made a strong enough argument then the rule would be changed. The administration is fair that way, if a strong argument is made for a change and such change is not going to open the forum up for any potential legal repercussions then changes will be made. The thing is that there is really no realistic argument to allow for referral spam No, no it wouldn't, not on this matter which I explained to him in the previous thread. Referal links are not banned, as I explained in my other post (which I will quote below) referal links can be acceptable, however there are a few conditions, and 95% of the time, people don't follow those conditions, creating the misconception that referal links are banned in general. The OP is not fighting for the right to have referal links, the OP is fighting for the right to spam, which under no circumstance will be changed as a rule. There seems to be a huge amount of missing context, especially what the OP is "fighting" for, and how he has already been answered by more than myself. Start here if you want the full context: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.msg10660811#msg10660811 Dont remind me the rules guy. This is not my rules. This is moderators rules and i dont accept theese rules. If we believe the philosophy of bitcoin then we need to create new rules. Coz theese rules centralize but Bitcoin decentralize. Everyone needs to say his mind aboutthe rules. Moderators just create rules,delete posts and ban users? Is that all you do? If you moderator you have to solve my problem See, theres a difference between a decentralized currency, and a forum about that decentralized currency. If you want to create a forum that has no rules at all, you are welcome to, but I'd highly recommend a really really good lawyer, as people can post some pretty.... interesting stuff that you can be held liable for as the owner of the site. There are indeed rules here, however I and most others believe they are pretty relaxed, the fact that most rules aren't hardfast (the reason for this list of unofficial rules) is because it's a lot better to leave judgements up to a group of freethinking individuals, rather than a slab with forum policy inscribed. The fact that moderators are seen more as janitors is probably a good indicator that all in all everything is running well. While we don't have to solve your problems, if they are related to an issue on this forum, then chances are we would like to help. Ask in an appropriate way, and you will get a response regardless of whether we can help you or not. If your problem is that you would like to break a rule, but we are stopping you, thats not one of those things we can really help. First off, everyone above is correct, you aren't allowed to have multiple threads of the same topic. Second, referal links are more often than not removed. If you are creating a thread to share your referal link, its spam. Pretty much the only exception to when referal links are not spam, is if someone else starts a thread, for instance asking what exchange they should use. And you respond with a quality post with content related to the OP, include a referal link and say, if you want to try this exchange, heres my referal link, that is fine. You are right, people have the right to click on someone's referal link if they want. Priority however is held with having the right to not have to deal with spam, and also the right not to be tricked into clicking a referal link. If you don't agree, theres not really much more to be said, make your own lawless forum, and I wish you luck. Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: megamore on March 05, 2015, 06:23:53 AM I think the rules of this forum is good
I really appreciate to all moderators who have worked for the good of this forum :) Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: redsn0w on March 05, 2015, 06:56:09 AM I voted for "no" , the forum rules are working very fine, the ref link isn't allowed where is the problem ?
Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: olcaytu2005 on March 05, 2015, 08:50:51 AM To my opinion;
If a person discover a service from service ann. Or from somewhere and introduce it in local forum by translating, he has to share his ref link in his post. But not the signature section coz we use that section for signature campaign. In the same local forum, if another person opens a thread about the same service and gives his ref link then it might be accepted as a spam but not first ones. So, in the local forums, it must be free to give ref link if the thread and service is new. Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: Muhammed Zakir on March 05, 2015, 10:48:03 AM I voted for 'no'. Good to know only one person voted for 'yes' and I think it is you.
I voted for "no" , the forum rules are working very fine, the ref link isn't allowed where is the problem ? Ban is the problem. To resolve your doubts or to ask you some things: If a person discover a service from service ann. Or from somewhere and introduce it in local forum by translating, he has to share his ref link in his post. But not the signature section coz we use that section for signature campaign. "Has to"? It isn't necessary to shar your ref link, why can't you translate without putting a ref link? In the same local forum, if another person opens a thread about the same service and gives his ref link then it might be accepted as a spam but not first ones. Not "might", it 'will' and 'must' be. So, in the local forums, it must be free to give ref link if the thread and service is new. So what you asked and what we thought is different. You want to open a thread with referral link in your local board about a service is which is already announced in main board? I think it is still a spam. ??? FYI: If you have ref link in your signature and you are pointing to your signature instead of putting your ref link in the post, it is still considered as spam. -MZ Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: olcaytu2005 on March 05, 2015, 11:09:17 AM I voted for 'no'. Good to know only one person voted for 'yes' and I think it is you. -MZ I believe myself and i believe i am true. I dont care even if all of the world against to me. Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: olcaytu2005 on March 05, 2015, 11:12:39 AM Quote So what you asked and what we thought is different. You want to open a thread with referral link in your local board about a service is which is already announced in main board? I think it is still a spam. Huh You think everyone knows english? And everyone understand? Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: redsn0w on March 05, 2015, 11:18:16 AM Quote So what you asked and what we thought is different. You want to open a thread with referral link in your local board about a service is which is already announced in main board? I think it is still a spam. Huh You think everyone knows english? And everyone understand? I think the only thing you can do it is create a blog/site , put all your ref. links in that page and after you can create a thread and link your "page" (correct me if I'm wrong). Maybe the best forum board for this type of things is the "off Topic" section. Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: Lethn on March 05, 2015, 11:20:42 AM This forum has functioned perfectly fine with the rules currently in place, if even I can post comfortably here without worrying about a ban there's something wrong with you.
Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: olcaytu2005 on March 05, 2015, 11:24:46 AM You dont understand me guys. I just dont like that rule about ref link sharing. Why is it spam in the local forum? Why is it spam? Just convince me
Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: Muhammed Zakir on March 05, 2015, 11:30:13 AM You dont understand me guys. I just dont like that rule about ref link sharing. Why is it spam in the local forum? Why is it spam? Just convince me Because the service is already announced and if one is created, numerous ref link spam posts would show up like a long chain. -MZ Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: olcaytu2005 on March 05, 2015, 12:01:19 PM You dont understand me guys. I just dont like that rule about ref link sharing. Why is it spam in the local forum? Why is it spam? Just convince me Because the service is already announced and if one is created, numerous ref link spam posts would show up like a long chain. -MZ But i dont mean global forum. I mean local forum. Not everyone read global forum. Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: hilariousandco on March 05, 2015, 12:03:47 PM You dont understand me guys. I just dont like that rule about ref link sharing. Why is it spam in the local forum? Why is it spam? Just convince me It's already been explained to you why. There are plenty of rules here and in the real world that people don't like but sometimes we just have to play by them. I really don't understand why you are so persistent in being able to Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: olcaytu2005 on March 05, 2015, 02:06:25 PM We aren't going to allow referal spam, even with 100 million votes for yes, this isn't one of those on the fence, questionable, lets hear from the community to decide sort of situations. Its a little bit irritating that I went through the time to fully explain to you, yet you felt the need to make essentially a spam thread, if this wasn't in meta it would be removed as spam. I'm sort of seeing a theme here though, perhaps you should aquaint yourself with what spam really means. Are you moderator? Or dictator? Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: olcaytu2005 on March 05, 2015, 02:09:37 PM You dont understand me guys. I just dont like that rule about ref link sharing. Why is it spam in the local forum? Why is it spam? Just convince me It's already been explained to you why. There are plenty of rules here and in the real world that people don't like but sometimes we just have to play by them. I really don't understand why you are so persistent in being able to Coz i dont think it is spam to share ref link if you are the first who start the topic in the local forum Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: hilariousandco on March 05, 2015, 02:16:29 PM But how will you know if you're the first to post a specific link? It's hard to tell and timewasting for mods to check to see if it's a duplicate so it's best just to not allow them as much as you disagree with it.
Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: olcaytu2005 on March 05, 2015, 02:32:14 PM But how will you know if you're the first to post a specific link? It's hard to tell and timewasting for mods to check to see if it's a duplicate so it's best just to not allow them as much as you disagree with it. Local forums are not much big . Local Moderators can control on it. And everyone can report if it is the not first. If there is the same thread we ll report or mod delete the spam Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: olcaytu2005 on March 05, 2015, 03:31:42 PM We would change the rules in Local forums . Like the united states of america. Every state has different rules. Some rules centralizied and some rules decentralizied in the usa. We could fix that to our forum rules
Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: erikalui on March 05, 2015, 07:41:56 PM Promoting referral links is considered spamming everywhere but having a signature with a referral link I guess is fine while some forums don't even allow that.
Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: picolo on March 05, 2015, 08:35:00 PM To my opinion; If a person discover a service from service ann. Or from somewhere and introduce it in local forum by translating, he has to share his ref link in his post. But not the signature section coz we use that section for signature campaign. In the same local forum, if another person opens a thread about the same service and gives his ref link then it might be accepted as a spam but not first ones. So, in the local forums, it must be free to give ref link if the thread and service is new. I don't have an opinion but your poll is not clear without reading your message. It looks like you are asking if the forum rules are generally good or bad. Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: HeroC on March 05, 2015, 09:42:56 PM Add some details to your poll, like what needs to be changed, not just Change rules or not. When I first read your post I was confused about what you were talking about.
Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: SaltySpitoon on March 06, 2015, 01:35:50 AM This forum has over 10 million posts, and more than 400,000 threads. I rounded those figures down a bit to make up for the fact that the majority of them are in non local boards. There are 19 local boards. If we start letting people copy and spam referal links, you could potentially see 19 redundant threads for every one original one. We aren't going to ruin the forum for the majority of the users, just so it can be your personal spamming ground.
As I've said a hundred times, but I'm sure you wont listen. We aren't changing the rules to allow spamming. Anti spamming measures make up what, 80% of the forums rules? Give it up, you are wasting your time, and I'm wasting my own time responding to you. You can make whatever proposals you would like on your own forum. Good luck attracting members. Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: BitcoinFr34k on March 06, 2015, 01:57:36 AM In theory if he made a strong enough argument then the rule would be changed. The administration is fair that way, if a strong argument is made for a change and such change is not going to open the forum up for any potential legal repercussions then changes will be made. The thing is that there is really no realistic argument to allow for referral spam No, no it wouldn't, not on this matter which I explained to him in the previous thread. Referal links are not banned, as I explained in my other post (which I will quote below) referal links can be acceptable, however there are a few conditions, and 95% of the time, people don't follow those conditions, creating the misconception that referal links are banned in general. The OP is not fighting for the right to have referal links, the OP is fighting for the right to spam, which under no circumstance will be changed as a rule. There seems to be a huge amount of missing context, especially what the OP is "fighting" for, and how he has already been answered by more than myself. Start here if you want the full context: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.msg10660811#msg10660811 I probably did a bad job of explaining what I was saying, and I am using a bad example, but that is not the point I was trying to make. My point was that if someone were to make a strong argument to modify "Rule A" and this change has the general support of the community then the administration will modify "Rule A". The reason that referral spam will never be allowed is because there is no valid argument to allow it. One additional point I would make about why referral spam should not be allowed is that the forum has a policy against having duplicate threads discussing the same subject. Having multiple threads discussing the same thing makes it difficult to follow a conversation and only adds confusion. Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: Soros Shorts on March 06, 2015, 04:08:18 AM he has to share his ref link in his post. But not the signature section coz we use that section for signature campaign. Ref link AND signature campaign? You can't have your cake and eat it too - that's a universal rule. Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: olcaytu2005 on March 07, 2015, 04:31:16 PM Firstly, i thank you so much to moderator who banned me . Congratulation. You did save the world from a spam. Bravo!!!
Since it is not clearly explained/understood, i lock the thread and open a new thread for discussion. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=980426.0 Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: hilariousandco on March 07, 2015, 04:37:22 PM Firstly, i thank you so much to moderator who banned me . Congratulation. You did save the world from a spam. Bravo!!! Since it is not clearly explained/understood, i lock the thread and open a new thread for discussion. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=980426.0 What do you mean banned you? How are you banned? You don't need to open another topic on this. Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: Grand_Voyageur on March 07, 2015, 04:45:08 PM Firstly, i thank you so much to moderator who banned me . Congratulation. You did save the world from a spam. Bravo!!! Since it is not clearly explained/understood, i lock the thread and open a new thread for discussion. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=980426.0 If you were banned, you weren't able to post here. By the while you've not locked the thread. ;D Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: olcaytu2005 on March 07, 2015, 05:48:47 PM Firstly, i thank you so much to moderator who banned me . Congratulation. You did save the world from a spam. Bravo!!! Since it is not clearly explained/understood, i lock the thread and open a new thread for discussion. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=980426.0 What do you mean banned you? How are you banned? You don't need to open another topic on this. Bump banned two days. Please come to new thread. This topic is too mess Title: Re: Change the rules! Post by: Muhammed Zakir on March 08, 2015, 03:53:30 AM If you don't want anybody to post here, please lock the thread by clicking 'lock topic' on bottom-left of the thread.
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