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Title: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: finnile on March 06, 2015, 01:03:39 PM Hi, I remember espringe starting a similar thread about self moderated threads last month right here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=948771
But here is the thing. Today, this happened Quote from: Bitcoin Forum A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave. You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations. Quote New affiliate program Earn up to 30% revenue from players you refer! You can earn up to 30% of the monthly revenue of players you refer to Pocket Rockets Casino across all games. How are you defining 'revenue' here? Is it the amount players wager? The amount the lose? The amount you take as commission from their bets? Something else? And what does "up to" mean? Sounds like some people will earn less than 30%. How is that decided? Are there other rules? I seem to remember a dispute in the past where you refused to pay out when someone referred you a bunch of players because you didn't like something he did. It was a while ago now so I forget the details. Are the terms and conditions available somewhere? You can read more here https://pocketrocketscasino.eu/affiliate. Revenue is players loss that month. The dispute you are referring to was BAY who gave me negative trust, unjustifiably, because I stopped his affiliate account after he sold/rented a domain with my brand name in it to a competitor. He was paid. He lost future payments which would have totalled a very insignificant amount under the old structure. That's a very valid reason to stop someone's account. Are you sure it was after he sold your domain ? As far as I remember the domain was sold, after you cut his affliates pay. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=663326.msg9501235#msg9501235 Also, just as a reminder, I am still waiting for my bounty here. Basically The owner of a casino, who has a negative trust who runs a casino site in a shady way , posted a lie: The dispute you are referring to was BAY who gave me negative trust, unjustifiably, because I stopped his affiliate account after he sold/rented a domain with my brand name in it to a competitor. He was paid. He lost future payments which would have totalled a very insignificant amount under the old structure. That's a very valid reason to stop someone's account. Now I replied " Are you sure it was after he sold your domain ? As far as I remember the domain was sold, after you cut his affliates pay. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=663326.msg9501235#msg9501235 " Which was in reponse to his outright lie. Now I posted to tell he is lying, but he currently has the right to delete the posts. Should this be allowed on the thread ? I see no reason , why he should take advantage of the moderation to legit questions on the thread. ALso, just after that ,I get this message from him: Stop posting in my thread. I owe you nothing because a) you found no bug b) you didn't report properly what it was you thought you found. I already reported your group before and that's why one of them got banned for a week. They didn't ban you because you had stopped for a bit but said I should report you next time. If you post again after this next delete I will report you again. Is it also right for him to threaten me with this ? And mods agreeing to ban him(from what he says) , if what I posted is true https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=663326.msg9592998#msg9592998 Title: Re: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: Lethn on March 06, 2015, 01:11:57 PM Self-moderated threads are a great litmus tests for scammers and hypocrites, much like how Bitcoin itself tests those who truly believe in real free markets giving people that kind of power also shows up who actually believes in freedom of speech and who doesn't. If you've got a real problem with a guy who's abusing the self-moderation then I recommend making another thread to discuss him, we had a recent drama with Woodcollector I'm sure you've seen where he was just making posts constantly and locking them etc. because people wouldn't put up with his shit, the moderators very rarely intervene with this kind of thing so if you make your own thread he won't be able to censor anything you say.
Title: Re: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: hilariousandco on March 06, 2015, 01:32:40 PM ALso, just after that ,I get this message from him: Stop posting in my thread. I owe you nothing because a) you found no bug b) you didn't report properly what it was you thought you found. I already reported your group before and that's why one of them got banned for a week. They didn't ban you because you had stopped for a bit but said I should report you next time. If you post again after this next delete I will report you again. Is it also right for him to threaten me with this ? And mods agreeing to ban him(from what he says) , if what I posted is true https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=663326.msg9592998#msg9592998 As annoying as it may be if someone self-moderates a thread you don't have to post in it and if you don't like their actions you are free to create your own thread in response. You can be banned from repeatedly posting in a self-modded thread when you have been asked not to so be careful with that. Title: Re: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: finnile on March 06, 2015, 01:40:12 PM ALso, just after that ,I get this message from him: Stop posting in my thread. I owe you nothing because a) you found no bug b) you didn't report properly what it was you thought you found. I already reported your group before and that's why one of them got banned for a week. They didn't ban you because you had stopped for a bit but said I should report you next time. If you post again after this next delete I will report you again. Is it also right for him to threaten me with this ? And mods agreeing to ban him(from what he says) , if what I posted is true https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=663326.msg9592998#msg9592998 As annoying as it may be if someone self-moderates a thread you don't have to post in it and if you don't like their actions you are free to create your own thread in response. You can be banned from repeatedly posting in a self-modded thread when you have been asked not to so be careful with that. Thanks for that .I haven't officially been warned by any of the staff here. It was just him warning me directly. However as for the moderation allowed, not everyone reads the other threads. And if someone is actually trolling on the selfmoderated thread, then they would automatically be banned by the staff after 1 warning. So whats the point of allowing the self moderated thread ? The op also keeps lying about a lot of things, and says he auto deletes the posts https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=960826.msg10511650#msg10511650 So how am I supposed to reply to that ? I can't possibly just quote every reply of his and reply back in the self moderated thread. Title: Re: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: hilariousandco on March 06, 2015, 01:47:45 PM You can create your own thread to respond for censor-free discussion. Just quote the messages you want to reply to and link to the thread in your op. This is your best option.
Title: Re: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: Wardrick on March 06, 2015, 04:40:22 PM Instead of asking to remove moderated threads you should be asking to have PocketRocketsCasino warned or temperorily banned. Moderated threads aren't going to be removed, but constantly deleting replies in self moderated threads in places such as the marketplace or gambling is highly suspicious behavior.
Title: Re: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: Quickseller on March 06, 2015, 04:45:36 PM Instead of asking to remove moderated threads you should be asking to have PocketRocketsCasino warned or temperorily banned. Moderated threads aren't going to be removed, but constantly deleting replies in self moderated threads in places such as the marketplace or gambling is highly suspicious behavior. deleating posts in a self moderated thread is not against any forum rule however it is scammy behavior. When it happens as often as it does with PRC, it is a good sign that they are probably scamming so negative trust should be appropriate but no action by a moderator on behalf of the forum would be appropriate. Title: Re: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: Muhammed Zakir on March 06, 2015, 04:53:48 PM Instead of asking to remove moderated threads you should be asking to have PocketRocketsCasino warned or temperorily banned. Moderated threads aren't going to be removed, but constantly deleting replies in self moderated threads in places such as the marketplace or gambling is highly suspicious behavior. deleating posts in a self moderated thread is not against any forum rule however it is scammy behavior. When it happens as often as it does with PRC, it is a good sign that they are probably scamming so negative trust should be appropriate but no action by a moderator on behalf of the forum would be appropriate. Yes, scams aren't moderated. Prior to leaving a negative feedback, I would suggest you to sum up the details and open a scam accusation thread and link that thread in 'negative feedback'. It will give more weight to it because if there is no reference, PocketRocketCasinos can tell they are jealous or they didn't like me etc... -MZ Title: Re: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: finnile on March 06, 2015, 05:00:49 PM Instead of asking to remove moderated threads you should be asking to have PocketRocketsCasino warned or temperorily banned. Moderated threads aren't going to be removed, but constantly deleting replies in self moderated threads in places such as the marketplace or gambling is highly suspicious behavior. deleating posts in a self moderated thread is not against any forum rule however it is scammy behavior. When it happens as often as it does with PRC, it is a good sign that they are probably scamming so negative trust should be appropriate but no action by a moderator on behalf of the forum would be appropriate. Yes, scams aren't moderated. Prior to leaving a negative feedback, I would suggest you to sum up the details and open a scam accusation thread and link that thread in 'negative feedback'. It will give more weight to it because if there is no reference, PocketRocketCasinos can tell they are jealous or they didn't like me etc... -MZ There is a scam accusation thread on the forum from few months back already. But overall that would just bring a negative trust on Dean , which already exists due to one. But still that doesn't stop people from investing in the site, but thats the decision they are entitled to I just don't like the fact, that when something wrong happens, and I(or some other guys like espringe) post about it(even with a legitimate question), he still deletes it, and threatens me with the message. Title: Re: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: Wardrick on March 06, 2015, 05:22:32 PM Instead of asking to remove moderated threads you should be asking to have PocketRocketsCasino warned or temperorily banned. Moderated threads aren't going to be removed, but constantly deleting replies in self moderated threads in places such as the marketplace or gambling is highly suspicious behavior. deleating posts in a self moderated thread is not against any forum rule however it is scammy behavior. When it happens as often as it does with PRC, it is a good sign that they are probably scamming so negative trust should be appropriate but no action by a moderator on behalf of the forum would be appropriate. Yes, I would agree negative feedback should be given instead of having a moderator take any action. Title: Re: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: ajareselde on March 06, 2015, 05:24:24 PM Instead of asking to remove moderated threads you should be asking to have PocketRocketsCasino warned or temperorily banned. Moderated threads aren't going to be removed, but constantly deleting replies in self moderated threads in places such as the marketplace or gambling is highly suspicious behavior. deleating posts in a self moderated thread is not against any forum rule however it is scammy behavior. When it happens as often as it does with PRC, it is a good sign that they are probably scamming so negative trust should be appropriate but no action by a moderator on behalf of the forum would be appropriate. Yes, scams aren't moderated. Prior to leaving a negative feedback, I would suggest you to sum up the details and open a scam accusation thread and link that thread in 'negative feedback'. It will give more weight to it because if there is no reference, PocketRocketCasinos can tell they are jealous or they didn't like me etc... -MZ There is a scam accusation thread on the forum from few months back already. But overall that would just bring a negative trust on Dean , which already exists due to one. But still that doesn't stop people from investing in the site, but thats the decision they are entitled to I just don't like the fact, that when something wrong happens, and I(or some other guys like espringe) post about it(even with a legitimate question), he still deletes it, and threatens me with the message. PM threats should be handled by staff, and noone should be forced to keep quiet about it, even if it is not anything serious, it can be considered PM spam. Regarding self moderated thread, tho, you cant really force someone to keep your post, no matter what, it is their topic in the end, what u can do is start your own thread instead. If we were to remove self moderated threads becuse of isolated incidents like this one, there would be inanely a lot of new work that staff would have to deal with on a daily basis, so its better to leave option to thread starter to do that on their own,and you are not defenceless, you have option to start own topic, start scam report, or use trust system to flag his account. cheers Title: Re: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: NeuroticFish on March 06, 2015, 05:31:51 PM I also want to ask you to start a thread and put proof.
I was very close to invest (yeah, a tiny amount, but still..) into his dice site, not believing the (only) negative feedback he had because it .. just sounded silly and had no proof for anything wrong done. Some events made me change my mind and now, reading this, I .. feel lucky. So yeah, please make a proper scam accusation. It'll help others. Title: Re: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: finnile on March 06, 2015, 05:59:44 PM I also want to ask you to start a thread and put proof. I was very close to invest (yeah, a tiny amount, but still..) into his dice site, not believing the (only) negative feedback he had because it .. just sounded silly and had no proof for anything wrong done. Some events made me change my mind and now, reading this, I .. feel lucky. So yeah, please make a proper scam accusation. It'll help others. Well, there is already another thread for it, but I doubt if a lot of people actually read it, as its on the front page of the gamble section not for long, so its not worth posting much there. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=960826.0 . Some other people have also expressed how their legit concern posts were deleted. And some of the scam accusations and posts(you can avoid reading these if you don't want to go in deep) : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=779932 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=663326.msg9490285#msg9490285 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=663326.msg9598425#msg9598425 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=927971.msg10439233#msg10439233 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=948771 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=853348.0 But in the end, everyone is free to their own opinion. I just posted this, as I felt, its not right to allow a questionable casino to moderate the thread in such a manner, as even someone who comes from outside the forum, won't really be looking at the other threads to see whats actually happening Title: Re: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: PocketRocketsCasino on March 07, 2015, 01:10:31 AM Wow
I didn't even know this existed but noticed someone here gave me negative trust with this thread as a reference. I have admitted I automatically delete posts by finnile, espringe, BAY and a few other trolls from my main thread. I have had nothing but abuse and harassment from them for months now. I reported this abuse to the mods already but it doesn't stop them creating lies or twisting stories to suit their own agenda. Just because they post things doesn't mean it's true. There's two sides to every story. Ask yourself what's the agenda here from these people. If you look at the feedback on my account you will see that the only people with and things to say are them. Everyone else seems to have had a positive experience with Pocket Rockets Casino. Even in all the old threads the only people complaining were this same group. Whenever I posted a news worthy item or promotion it would be buried in seconds from them coming in and accusing me of scamming or something else. That's why I created a self moderated thread. The trust system here is terribly abused and pretty damaging. I have run Pocket Rockets Casino since April 2013. I have the largest amount invested of any Bitcoin dice site and have done since around September last year. All stats show that there is nothing shady going on at all. Put simply, if I was trying to scam then people would have known ages ago and there wouldn't be so much invested. I even added a leveraged system so that people didn't need to keep as much coins on the site. There's not many other operators that are as trustworthy and run honest sites like Pocket Rockets Casino. Title: Re: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: Quickseller on March 07, 2015, 01:19:12 AM Any business is going to have it's share of trolls. You need to learn to deal with them professionally. The post that you deleted that is mentioned in the OP is not trolling however may show you in a negative light, and it is not appropriate to delete that content.
If what is being said about you is false then you should respond with facts, not with the delete button. If you are deleting one thing that puts you in a potentially negative light then you are almost certainly deleting other things that put you in negative light, including potential disputes that any business will eventually have a lot of. Your "automatic delete" list is also very large, larger then I would expect most similar type lists to be (despite the fact that such lists are not appropriate), and I believe that the people in your list to be each distinct people (although I cannot say for 100% certainty). Wow I didn't even know this existed but noticed someone here gave me negative trust with this thread as a reference. I have admitted I automatically delete posts by finnile, espringe, BAY and a few other trolls from my main thread. I have had nothing but abuse and harassment from them for months now. I reported this abuse to the mods already but it doesn't stop them creating lies or twisting stories to suit their own agenda. Just because they post things doesn't mean it's true. There's two sides to every story. Ask yourself what's the agenda here from these people. If you look at the feedback on my account you will see that the only people with and things to say are them. Everyone else seems to have had a positive experience with Pocket Rockets Casino. Even in all the old threads the only people complaining were this same group. Whenever I posted a news worthy item or promotion it would be buried in seconds from them coming in and accusing me of scamming or something else. That's why I created a self moderated thread. The trust system here is terribly abused and pretty damaging. I have run Pocket Rockets Casino since April 2013. I have the largest amount invested of any Bitcoin dice site and have done since around September last year. All stats show that there is nothing shady going on at all. Put simply, if I was trying to scam then people would have known ages ago and there wouldn't be so much invested. I even added a leveraged system so that people didn't need to keep as much coins on the site. There's not many other operators that are as trustworthy and run honest sites like Pocket Rockets Casino. Title: Re: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: Quickseller on March 07, 2015, 01:21:26 AM As annoying as it may be if someone self-moderates a thread you don't have to post in it and if you don't like their actions you are free to create your own thread in response. You can be banned from repeatedly posting in a self-modded thread when you have been asked not to so be careful with that. Are you sure about this? I don't think anyone actually has the authority to tell you not to post in their thread (with the exception of 'local rules' which must be made when the OP was made), however local rules would likely not be implemented in self moderated threads because they are well self moderated Title: Re: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: PocketRocketsCasino on March 07, 2015, 01:27:11 AM Any business is going to have it's share of trolls. You need to learn to deal with them professionally. The post that you deleted that is mentioned in the OP is not trolling however may show you in a negative light, and it is not appropriate to delete that content. If what is being said about you is false then you should respond with facts, not with the delete button. If you are deleting one thing that puts you in a potentially negative light then you are almost certainly deleting other things that put you in negative light, including potential disputes that any business will eventually have a lot of. Your "automatic delete" list is also very large, larger then I would expect most similar type lists to be (despite the fact that such lists are not appropriate), and I believe that the people in your list to be each distinct people (although I cannot say for 100% certainty). Wow I didn't even know this existed but noticed someone here gave me negative trust with this thread as a reference. I have admitted I automatically delete posts by finnile, espringe, BAY and a few other trolls from my main thread. I have had nothing but abuse and harassment from them for months now. I reported this abuse to the mods already but it doesn't stop them creating lies or twisting stories to suit their own agenda. Just because they post things doesn't mean it's true. There's two sides to every story. Ask yourself what's the agenda here from these people. If you look at the feedback on my account you will see that the only people with and things to say are them. Everyone else seems to have had a positive experience with Pocket Rockets Casino. Even in all the old threads the only people complaining were this same group. Whenever I posted a news worthy item or promotion it would be buried in seconds from them coming in and accusing me of scamming or something else. That's why I created a self moderated thread. The trust system here is terribly abused and pretty damaging. I have run Pocket Rockets Casino since April 2013. I have the largest amount invested of any Bitcoin dice site and have done since around September last year. All stats show that there is nothing shady going on at all. Put simply, if I was trying to scam then people would have known ages ago and there wouldn't be so much invested. I even added a leveraged system so that people didn't need to keep as much coins on the site. There's not many other operators that are as trustworthy and run honest sites like Pocket Rockets Casino. The situation about the domain has been disputed many many times. It happened months ago yet this group keeps bringing it up. Same with other resolved situations. Finniles bug bounty claim is nonsense too. He spoted a UI bug, emailed me and threatened to post it in forum if I didn't pay him within 10 minutes. That's not how any bug bounty program works. It turned out he didn't really know what he was talking about and was looking to do maximum damage and hold me to ransom. Everyone on Pocket Rockets Casino chat including investors seen what he was doing and knew what he was up to. Since then, and I think that was August or September, he has emailed me, pm'd me and posted in many threads claiming I owe him a bounty when I don't. Title: Re: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: Quickseller on March 07, 2015, 01:31:51 AM Any business is going to have it's share of trolls. You need to learn to deal with them professionally. The post that you deleted that is mentioned in the OP is not trolling however may show you in a negative light, and it is not appropriate to delete that content. If what is being said about you is false then you should respond with facts, not with the delete button. If you are deleting one thing that puts you in a potentially negative light then you are almost certainly deleting other things that put you in negative light, including potential disputes that any business will eventually have a lot of. Your "automatic delete" list is also very large, larger then I would expect most similar type lists to be (despite the fact that such lists are not appropriate), and I believe that the people in your list to be each distinct people (although I cannot say for 100% certainty). Wow I didn't even know this existed but noticed someone here gave me negative trust with this thread as a reference. I have admitted I automatically delete posts by finnile, espringe, BAY and a few other trolls from my main thread. I have had nothing but abuse and harassment from them for months now. I reported this abuse to the mods already but it doesn't stop them creating lies or twisting stories to suit their own agenda. Just because they post things doesn't mean it's true. There's two sides to every story. Ask yourself what's the agenda here from these people. If you look at the feedback on my account you will see that the only people with and things to say are them. Everyone else seems to have had a positive experience with Pocket Rockets Casino. Even in all the old threads the only people complaining were this same group. Whenever I posted a news worthy item or promotion it would be buried in seconds from them coming in and accusing me of scamming or something else. That's why I created a self moderated thread. The trust system here is terribly abused and pretty damaging. I have run Pocket Rockets Casino since April 2013. I have the largest amount invested of any Bitcoin dice site and have done since around September last year. All stats show that there is nothing shady going on at all. Put simply, if I was trying to scam then people would have known ages ago and there wouldn't be so much invested. I even added a leveraged system so that people didn't need to keep as much coins on the site. There's not many other operators that are as trustworthy and run honest sites like Pocket Rockets Casino. The situation about the domain has been disputed many many times. It happened months ago yet this group keeps bringing it up. Same with other resolved situations. Finniles bug bounty claim is nonsense too. He spoted a UI bug, emailed me and threatened to post it in forum if I didn't pay him within 10 minutes. That's not how any bug bounty program works. It turned out he didn't really know what he was talking about and was looking to do maximum damage and hold me to ransom. Everyone on Pocket Rockets Casino chat including investors seen what he was doing and knew what he was up to. Since then, and I think that was August or September, he has emailed me, pm'd me and posted in many threads claiming I owe him a bounty when I don't. Title: Re: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: PocketRocketsCasino on March 07, 2015, 01:36:53 AM Any business is going to have it's share of trolls. You need to learn to deal with them professionally. The post that you deleted that is mentioned in the OP is not trolling however may show you in a negative light, and it is not appropriate to delete that content. If what is being said about you is false then you should respond with facts, not with the delete button. If you are deleting one thing that puts you in a potentially negative light then you are almost certainly deleting other things that put you in negative light, including potential disputes that any business will eventually have a lot of. Your "automatic delete" list is also very large, larger then I would expect most similar type lists to be (despite the fact that such lists are not appropriate), and I believe that the people in your list to be each distinct people (although I cannot say for 100% certainty). Wow I didn't even know this existed but noticed someone here gave me negative trust with this thread as a reference. I have admitted I automatically delete posts by finnile, espringe, BAY and a few other trolls from my main thread. I have had nothing but abuse and harassment from them for months now. I reported this abuse to the mods already but it doesn't stop them creating lies or twisting stories to suit their own agenda. Just because they post things doesn't mean it's true. There's two sides to every story. Ask yourself what's the agenda here from these people. If you look at the feedback on my account you will see that the only people with and things to say are them. Everyone else seems to have had a positive experience with Pocket Rockets Casino. Even in all the old threads the only people complaining were this same group. Whenever I posted a news worthy item or promotion it would be buried in seconds from them coming in and accusing me of scamming or something else. That's why I created a self moderated thread. The trust system here is terribly abused and pretty damaging. I have run Pocket Rockets Casino since April 2013. I have the largest amount invested of any Bitcoin dice site and have done since around September last year. All stats show that there is nothing shady going on at all. Put simply, if I was trying to scam then people would have known ages ago and there wouldn't be so much invested. I even added a leveraged system so that people didn't need to keep as much coins on the site. There's not many other operators that are as trustworthy and run honest sites like Pocket Rockets Casino. The situation about the domain has been disputed many many times. It happened months ago yet this group keeps bringing it up. Same with other resolved situations. Finniles bug bounty claim is nonsense too. He spoted a UI bug, emailed me and threatened to post it in forum if I didn't pay him within 10 minutes. That's not how any bug bounty program works. It turned out he didn't really know what he was talking about and was looking to do maximum damage and hold me to ransom. Everyone on Pocket Rockets Casino chat including investors seen what he was doing and knew what he was up to. Since then, and I think that was August or September, he has emailed me, pm'd me and posted in many threads claiming I owe him a bounty when I don't. And then it becomes a case of them just spamming the thread and arguing over and over. That is not a solution. Any legit player, potential player, investor or someone with a genuine concern can post in the thread and it will not be removed. But I can't waste my time every day having to defend the site over and over and it clutters up the thread for people trying to get real answers or news. It doesn't stop. It's been going on since August. I find it very unfair that you just gave negative trust like that without even knowing the situation, asking or even considering there might be more to the story. Title: Re: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: Quickseller on March 07, 2015, 01:39:19 AM Any business is going to have it's share of trolls. You need to learn to deal with them professionally. The post that you deleted that is mentioned in the OP is not trolling however may show you in a negative light, and it is not appropriate to delete that content. If what is being said about you is false then you should respond with facts, not with the delete button. If you are deleting one thing that puts you in a potentially negative light then you are almost certainly deleting other things that put you in negative light, including potential disputes that any business will eventually have a lot of. Your "automatic delete" list is also very large, larger then I would expect most similar type lists to be (despite the fact that such lists are not appropriate), and I believe that the people in your list to be each distinct people (although I cannot say for 100% certainty). Wow I didn't even know this existed but noticed someone here gave me negative trust with this thread as a reference. I have admitted I automatically delete posts by finnile, espringe, BAY and a few other trolls from my main thread. I have had nothing but abuse and harassment from them for months now. I reported this abuse to the mods already but it doesn't stop them creating lies or twisting stories to suit their own agenda. Just because they post things doesn't mean it's true. There's two sides to every story. Ask yourself what's the agenda here from these people. If you look at the feedback on my account you will see that the only people with and things to say are them. Everyone else seems to have had a positive experience with Pocket Rockets Casino. Even in all the old threads the only people complaining were this same group. Whenever I posted a news worthy item or promotion it would be buried in seconds from them coming in and accusing me of scamming or something else. That's why I created a self moderated thread. The trust system here is terribly abused and pretty damaging. I have run Pocket Rockets Casino since April 2013. I have the largest amount invested of any Bitcoin dice site and have done since around September last year. All stats show that there is nothing shady going on at all. Put simply, if I was trying to scam then people would have known ages ago and there wouldn't be so much invested. I even added a leveraged system so that people didn't need to keep as much coins on the site. There's not many other operators that are as trustworthy and run honest sites like Pocket Rockets Casino. The situation about the domain has been disputed many many times. It happened months ago yet this group keeps bringing it up. Same with other resolved situations. Finniles bug bounty claim is nonsense too. He spoted a UI bug, emailed me and threatened to post it in forum if I didn't pay him within 10 minutes. That's not how any bug bounty program works. It turned out he didn't really know what he was talking about and was looking to do maximum damage and hold me to ransom. Everyone on Pocket Rockets Casino chat including investors seen what he was doing and knew what he was up to. Since then, and I think that was August or September, he has emailed me, pm'd me and posted in many threads claiming I owe him a bounty when I don't. And then it becomes a case of them just spamming the thread and arguing over and over. That is not a solution. Any legit player, potential player, investor or someone with a genuine concern can post in the thread and it will not be removed. But I can't waste my time every day having to defend the site over and over and it clutters up the thread for people trying to get real answers or news. It doesn't stop. It's been going on since August. I find it very unfair that you just gave negative trust like that without even knowing the situation, asking or even considering there might be more to the story. Title: Re: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: galbros on March 07, 2015, 01:41:43 AM As annoying as it may be if someone self-moderates a thread you don't have to post in it and if you don't like their actions you are free to create your own thread in response. You can be banned from repeatedly posting in a self-modded thread when you have been asked not to so be careful with that. While I don't like them, this is why I don't have a problem with them. I generally avoid any services that are posted in one of these threads but see no reason why they can't be used. Title: Re: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: PocketRocketsCasino on March 07, 2015, 01:45:45 AM Any business is going to have it's share of trolls. You need to learn to deal with them professionally. The post that you deleted that is mentioned in the OP is not trolling however may show you in a negative light, and it is not appropriate to delete that content. If what is being said about you is false then you should respond with facts, not with the delete button. If you are deleting one thing that puts you in a potentially negative light then you are almost certainly deleting other things that put you in negative light, including potential disputes that any business will eventually have a lot of. Your "automatic delete" list is also very large, larger then I would expect most similar type lists to be (despite the fact that such lists are not appropriate), and I believe that the people in your list to be each distinct people (although I cannot say for 100% certainty). Wow I didn't even know this existed but noticed someone here gave me negative trust with this thread as a reference. I have admitted I automatically delete posts by finnile, espringe, BAY and a few other trolls from my main thread. I have had nothing but abuse and harassment from them for months now. I reported this abuse to the mods already but it doesn't stop them creating lies or twisting stories to suit their own agenda. Just because they post things doesn't mean it's true. There's two sides to every story. Ask yourself what's the agenda here from these people. If you look at the feedback on my account you will see that the only people with and things to say are them. Everyone else seems to have had a positive experience with Pocket Rockets Casino. Even in all the old threads the only people complaining were this same group. Whenever I posted a news worthy item or promotion it would be buried in seconds from them coming in and accusing me of scamming or something else. That's why I created a self moderated thread. The trust system here is terribly abused and pretty damaging. I have run Pocket Rockets Casino since April 2013. I have the largest amount invested of any Bitcoin dice site and have done since around September last year. All stats show that there is nothing shady going on at all. Put simply, if I was trying to scam then people would have known ages ago and there wouldn't be so much invested. I even added a leveraged system so that people didn't need to keep as much coins on the site. There's not many other operators that are as trustworthy and run honest sites like Pocket Rockets Casino. The situation about the domain has been disputed many many times. It happened months ago yet this group keeps bringing it up. Same with other resolved situations. Finniles bug bounty claim is nonsense too. He spoted a UI bug, emailed me and threatened to post it in forum if I didn't pay him within 10 minutes. That's not how any bug bounty program works. It turned out he didn't really know what he was talking about and was looking to do maximum damage and hold me to ransom. Everyone on Pocket Rockets Casino chat including investors seen what he was doing and knew what he was up to. Since then, and I think that was August or September, he has emailed me, pm'd me and posted in many threads claiming I owe him a bounty when I don't. And then it becomes a case of them just spamming the thread and arguing over and over. That is not a solution. Any legit player, potential player, investor or someone with a genuine concern can post in the thread and it will not be removed. But I can't waste my time every day having to defend the site over and over and it clutters up the thread for people trying to get real answers or news. It doesn't stop. It's been going on since August. I find it very unfair that you just gave negative trust like that without even knowing the situation, asking or even considering there might be more to the story. That's not a solution though. Again you jumped to a conclusion. I have reported them many many times over the months. Mods always said that they can't delete posts, they can't delete threads, can't remove negative trust. Anyway. I've stated my case, again, here. I'll leave it up to everyone to decide what they like regarding the situation and the people involved. Thanks for removing the negative rating. Title: Re: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: Quickseller on March 07, 2015, 01:50:46 AM Any business is going to have it's share of trolls. You need to learn to deal with them professionally. The post that you deleted that is mentioned in the OP is not trolling however may show you in a negative light, and it is not appropriate to delete that content. If what is being said about you is false then you should respond with facts, not with the delete button. If you are deleting one thing that puts you in a potentially negative light then you are almost certainly deleting other things that put you in negative light, including potential disputes that any business will eventually have a lot of. Your "automatic delete" list is also very large, larger then I would expect most similar type lists to be (despite the fact that such lists are not appropriate), and I believe that the people in your list to be each distinct people (although I cannot say for 100% certainty). Wow I didn't even know this existed but noticed someone here gave me negative trust with this thread as a reference. I have admitted I automatically delete posts by finnile, espringe, BAY and a few other trolls from my main thread. I have had nothing but abuse and harassment from them for months now. I reported this abuse to the mods already but it doesn't stop them creating lies or twisting stories to suit their own agenda. Just because they post things doesn't mean it's true. There's two sides to every story. Ask yourself what's the agenda here from these people. If you look at the feedback on my account you will see that the only people with and things to say are them. Everyone else seems to have had a positive experience with Pocket Rockets Casino. Even in all the old threads the only people complaining were this same group. Whenever I posted a news worthy item or promotion it would be buried in seconds from them coming in and accusing me of scamming or something else. That's why I created a self moderated thread. The trust system here is terribly abused and pretty damaging. I have run Pocket Rockets Casino since April 2013. I have the largest amount invested of any Bitcoin dice site and have done since around September last year. All stats show that there is nothing shady going on at all. Put simply, if I was trying to scam then people would have known ages ago and there wouldn't be so much invested. I even added a leveraged system so that people didn't need to keep as much coins on the site. There's not many other operators that are as trustworthy and run honest sites like Pocket Rockets Casino. The situation about the domain has been disputed many many times. It happened months ago yet this group keeps bringing it up. Same with other resolved situations. Finniles bug bounty claim is nonsense too. He spoted a UI bug, emailed me and threatened to post it in forum if I didn't pay him within 10 minutes. That's not how any bug bounty program works. It turned out he didn't really know what he was talking about and was looking to do maximum damage and hold me to ransom. Everyone on Pocket Rockets Casino chat including investors seen what he was doing and knew what he was up to. Since then, and I think that was August or September, he has emailed me, pm'd me and posted in many threads claiming I owe him a bounty when I don't. And then it becomes a case of them just spamming the thread and arguing over and over. That is not a solution. Any legit player, potential player, investor or someone with a genuine concern can post in the thread and it will not be removed. But I can't waste my time every day having to defend the site over and over and it clutters up the thread for people trying to get real answers or news. It doesn't stop. It's been going on since August. I find it very unfair that you just gave negative trust like that without even knowing the situation, asking or even considering there might be more to the story. That's not a solution though. Again you jumped to a conclusion. I have reported them many many times over the months. Mods always said that they can't delete posts, they can't delete threads, can't remove negative trust. Anyway. I've stated my case, again, here. I'll leave it up to everyone to decide what they like regarding the situation and the people involved. Thanks for removing the negative rating. Title: Re: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: SaltySpitoon on March 07, 2015, 06:02:41 AM As annoying as it may be if someone self-moderates a thread you don't have to post in it and if you don't like their actions you are free to create your own thread in response. You can be banned from repeatedly posting in a self-modded thread when you have been asked not to so be careful with that. Are you sure about this? I don't think anyone actually has the authority to tell you not to post in their thread (with the exception of 'local rules' which must be made when the OP was made), however local rules would likely not be implemented in self moderated threads because they are well self moderated The OP of a thread can say that a member is not allowed to post in their thread, whether it is self moderated or not. If you ask someone to stop posting in your thread, and they continue, yes they will be banned. Caviats on that, are you have to make sure the other person has knowledge that they aren't allowed to post in your thread. If you slip it into the OP without notifying them, they wont be banned if they haven't seen it, so make sure you are clear when banning people from your threads. Title: Re: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: finnile on March 07, 2015, 07:01:44 AM Let me just point out a couple of facts . Firstly, Dean(Pocketrocketcasino) simply lies too many times on the forum about his claims. He would not have got a negative trust, if his story checks out. If you visit his forum ,even right now, you will see Dice site developer and game site developers questioning Dean's claims , almost every single day , both on the original thread and the Non-moderated thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=960826.0)
Now I wanted to defend myself and my part of the story. There is no reason for me to for no reason Repeatedly ask for the bounty I was promised. Those of you who don't know, I also uncovered the Dicebitco.in Scam (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=716312.msg8715769#msg8715769) , which had an investment of over 7K BTC and had scammed users of 100's and 100's of BTC probably more than a 1000. Basically in that scam, they had been , skipping rolls and had only been showing the losing ones. Now , I didn't ask for a bounty or something, I came out with it in public. If I wanted to , I could have asked for a bounty of 20 BTC from them for that itself(as its basically outright cheating and would have put an end to their site, which it did) . And if I didn't post about it, and came out late with it, you know what would have been the problem ? People(Investors) would disapprove of my claim, if I gave DB time to cover up the rolls and database, to cover those missed rolls.But I posted immediately, and This obviously, ended their site. At this time, I was also a decent high roller at PRC, and also got it a lot of players in that time after recommending it at DB's chat. IN a few days, I had the exact same issue of Rolls being skipped - LINK TO MY POST (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=663326.msg8775135#msg8775135) . However it wasn't all the losing ones, so I contacted Dean(PRC) and told him about it, and requested a bounty to be paid, after showing him and another trusted member the proof. Now here is the part he lied about. So Just like before, if I didn't post about it, and gave him time to look at it, the site owner can always make changes to the database (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=663326.msg8778916#msg8778916) to fix the bug and put in those missing rolls. For this reason, I requested the bounty to be paid before, because I didn't want to give him the time to fix those rolls in the database, because after that , it would make my claims useless. And People(Investors) like always won't care what I have to say. But even after that he lied. Now, in the email correspondence I had with him , He said , that it was a UI BUg, which I didn't care about, as long as I got my bounty. But in the past, he has only blamed the people who bring bugs to him, and there was a very good chance, he would change the story, and put in the missing rolls if it actually was not a UI bug. And since he agreed to pay the bounty, All that I asked him was to send it now, because , once I give him time to fix, and post about it. The claims, will be refused and he will come up with something. Now here is the Email conversation we had : https://i.imgur.com/jtT5ewM.png And the follow up right after that in Chat https://i.imgur.com/PntlSko.png Now as I said, he rather criticizes the people who found the bugs and posts outright lies about them, he did the same. You can clearly, see me agreeing to the 1 BTC in the email he promised, and only requesting to be paid before and not giving him time to cover it up, But instead he lied and said, I didn't agree to 1 BTC and wanted more. Now I really don't have a better example of him lying on things he say. Why wouldn't I go after the site, for blaming me instead when I came out with the bug, and I was rather claimed to be a liar by the dice site. Now the only thing Dean does is, post lies and claim me to be lying. He also says I was not awarded the bounty, because I came out in public with it., But if I find a site cheating, which might be due to another error, which is not something to be sure of, then I it is right for me to come out and post about it in public. I am not the only case of him refusing to be paid a bounty. Check his trust. And here are some posts of a trusted member on here claiming Dean to be lying: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=663326.msg9489102#msg9489102 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=663326.msg9501191#msg9501191 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=663326.msg9490285#msg9490285 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=663326.msg9501235#msg9501235 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=663326.msg9488452#msg9488452 Title: Re: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: finnile on March 07, 2015, 07:07:58 AM As for Quicksellers trust now having being removed. Here are other facts.
1. Like i posted in the OP, my post was legit, there is no reason to delete it. I posted about Dean lying, and if I am not supposed to post that, then I don't see the point. I might as well start a ponzi thread and who ever claims to not have received a payout, I would delete their post. And even if they start a scam accusation, not everyone will read it, and I will be successful in scamming. 2. Even some other users have posted legit claims and inconsistencies in the things Dean said, but even then Dean just deletes them. I see no reason why he should. So basically according to Dean anyone who is against him is a troll and gets autodeleted. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=948771 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=927971.msg10439233#msg10439233 Title: Re: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: PocketRocketsCasino on March 07, 2015, 10:37:14 AM Just give up finnile. You are wrong about everything you say.
You can't say legit developers question my actions. Espringe is part of your group. He had a site funded by scammers. He actually gave me trust and had a comment saying how I helped him recover his missing Bitcoin but removed it because I asked him not to post what I saw was a link to a competitor. He's known for being shady and doing anything he can to try and hurt PRC image, just like you and the others. If you are referring to dooglus we actually for the most part have civil discussion now. People know my history with him. He has said a few times now that PRC is not untrustworthy. Your story of the bug is lies too and you always try and make it sound like something it's not. It is well documented, we were all there in the PRC chat. You had a suspicion that a site was rigged. That's as far as you got. You then came into the PRC chat with those suspicions and then Bazza walked you through what to do and he worked out that they were skipping nonces, making players lose winning bets deliberately. We all witnessed you go on some spree after that where you wanted to find bugs in every site and you then chose to try it at PRC. Dooglus claim while a possibility for a site to do was unrealistic and was at a time that me an dooglus were not exactly on good terms. Pretty much everything you write says I lied. But just because you say that does not make it true. You demanded payment in the wrong way and I would never pay anyone in that situation. Most importantly I needed time to investigate the issue and work out exactly what was going on and even if it was true. Imagine I just gave someone 1btc every time they sent an email like that? I have all the email logs, none of it proves anything. It shows you demanding and me trying to reason with you so I can investigate the issue. It was very hard to do that while you are sending demands every minute, posting in the chat trying to scare players and investors. Most of PRC's largest investors and regular players were there, they can be asked about it still today. So for almost 7-8 months now I have had to deal with you continuously trying to give PRC a bad name, harassment and time wasting. Of all the people on my list and in your group, they all have their own motives for wanting PRC to fail or to put it in a bad light. Competitors, shills for competitors, scammers or people who I wouldn't let ransom me. Your alternative threads, and my negative trust, all share a common theme. Started by the members I listed in my auto delete list and pretty much the only discussion is you and them making false claims or over exaggerating things which no one else seems to care for and the thread dies after a day, until you lot bump it. Linking to arguments from months ago with dooglus proves nothing. He removed his negative trust. We had a lot of issues with each other, mostly personal, and most of his posts and mine were taken out of context or twisted by you guys again just so it would further make PRC look bad. Quickseller can obviously see your post was not legit. You keep mentioning other users but again it's the people I already mentioned. In closing, BAY should not be in default trust. Look at the comments he made on the trust reference. He gave me negative trust over a bitcent by his own admission. All because again I wouldn't give in to his ransom of a domain he squatted and then rented/sold to a competitor bitdice.me I'm holding on to 2700 Bitcoin from over 200 investors. How can I have negative trust over a bitcent? Think I've cleared up enough. You can continue your crusade against PRC if you like. I think enough people see through you. Title: Re: Self moderated threads are harmful - Part 2 Post by: redsn0w on March 07, 2015, 12:41:50 PM Just give up finnile. You are wrong about everything you say. You can't say legit developers question my actions. Espringe is part of your group. He had a site funded by scammers. He actually gave me trust and had a comment saying how I helped him recover his missing Bitcoin but removed it because I asked him not to post what I saw was a link to a competitor. He's known for being shady and doing anything he can to try and hurt PRC image, just like you and the others. If you are referring to dooglus we actually for the most part have civil discussion now. People know my history with him. He has said a few times now that PRC is not untrustworthy. Your story of the bug is lies too and you always try and make it sound like something it's not. It is well documented, we were all there in the PRC chat. You had a suspicion that a site was rigged. That's as far as you got. You then came into the PRC chat with those suspicions and then Bazza walked you through what to do and he worked out that they were skipping nonces, making players lose winning bets deliberately. We all witnessed you go on some spree after that where you wanted to find bugs in every site and you then chose to try it at PRC. Dooglus claim while a possibility for a site to do was unrealistic and was at a time that me an dooglus were not exactly on good terms. Pretty much everything you write says I lied. But just because you say that does not make it true. You demanded payment in the wrong way and I would never pay anyone in that situation. Most importantly I needed time to investigate the issue and work out exactly what was going on and even if it was true. Imagine I just gave someone 1btc every time they sent an email like that? I have all the email logs, none of it proves anything. It shows you demanding and me trying to reason with you so I can investigate the issue. It was very hard to do that while you are sending demands every minute, posting in the chat trying to scare players and investors. Most of PRC's largest investors and regular players were there, they can be asked about it still today. So for almost 7-8 months now I have had to deal with you continuously trying to give PRC a bad name, harassment and time wasting. Of all the people on my list and in your group, they all have their own motives for wanting PRC to fail or to put it in a bad light. Competitors, shills for competitors, scammers or people who I wouldn't let ransom me. Your alternative threads, and my negative trust, all share a common theme. Started by the members I listed in my auto delete list and pretty much the only discussion is you and them making false claims or over exaggerating things which no one else seems to care for and the thread dies after a day, until you lot bump it. Linking to arguments from months ago with dooglus proves nothing. He removed his negative trust. We had a lot of issues with each other, mostly personal, and most of his posts and mine were taken out of context or twisted by you guys again just so it would further make PRC look bad. Quickseller can obviously see your post was not legit. You keep mentioning other users but again it's the people I already mentioned. In closing, BAY should not be in default trust. Look at the comments he made on the trust reference. He gave me negative trust over a bitcent by his own admission. All because again I wouldn't give in to his ransom of a domain he squatted and then rented/sold to a competitor bitdice.me I'm holding on to 2700 Bitcoin from over 200 investors. How can I have negative trust over a bitcent? Think I've cleared up enough. You can continue your crusade against PRC if you like. I think enough people see through you. In this case pay your 0.01 bitcoin debt and ask BayAreaCoins to remove the negative trust (only him can remove it). It seems you are honest only with some people and "dishonest" with others but maybe I am wrong. |
