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Rich is no longer trustworthy.  I would avoid all contact till he makes right of his wrongs.  A lot of users have lost quite a bit of money purchasing a bot that doesn't function correctly.


First off I would like to say master-p and I were just the reviewers for this and we were given vouch copies ONLY to test this service.  

Yesterday I had noticed that a lot of my accounts went offline (I believe I was the first to experience this).  All the proxies I was using were being banned.  At first I had thought it was the the fact I was using safe-mail.net for all my emails (which could of been a trigger along with the ref links), but later on I had noticed my proxies were actually banned.  I had immediately alerted master-p and he chimed in stating all his accounts were still functioning, but during the night I had received notification via pm that his accounts were also shut down.  Another user Wafflemaster has now suffered the same fate as well as 805miner.

I want to be very clear that master-p and I have NO involvement other than giving out the reviews of the bot we had received.  We are both very aware a lot of users had purchased this bot and are now probably out a decent amount of money and yes it sucks.

I don't think or feel this was an actual scam (although it does appear like it right now).  What I do feel is that the site operators caught on and made a lot of changes.  Now for rich's absence on skype and here as well as locking the thread I can't comment on.  

Wow that sucks, but pretty smart of you to release this so you dont catch any flack from the customers

I can confirm this. All of my 50 accounts were banned overnight it seems.

I understood the bot was fully dependent on the site owners not noticing and not making any changes to the site to prevent it but I definitely did not expect it to happen so soon.

As for Rich not responding, I really can't comment on that. I haven't heard from him since a few days ago when he last helped me get new accounts added to my bot.

Can confirm. Rich has gone dark. I don't consider it a scam as the bot was actually functional and working. It wasn't guaranteed undetected or anything and actually has several methods in place to prevent getting detected but overall I think the proxies are what cause this.

I can agree with this statement. The proxies that Rich recommended definitely were not that great. He made the recommendation based on his own experience, it was probably fine for him for the past few months but I believe once too many people got to using the same proxies for this bot, the site owners caught on and simply banned any accounts associated with the proxies. 

If so, couldn't you just use new proxies? Also, maybe clicking the ads for the owner might help, as he profits from ad clicks, and if he's still making money, maybe he will turn a blind eye to people using this bot. Sorry for the loss though, some people had to pay 1.5 btc for this if I can remember correctly.

Yes, it is possible to try with new proxies but then you would need to buy a batch of new proxies again with no guarantee that the site owners won't ban them if they find out again. High quality dedicated proxies usually cost at least $1 each per month, sometimes more.

With the way the bot operates, it is difficult to click on the ads even if I wanted to.

It is indeed quite unfortunate that the bot has been effectively shut down by the site owners so soon. I personally will have to call it quits at this point as I am not interested in spending another $50-$60 on a batch of new proxies for my accounts. Not to mention having to re-register and re-add the new accounts is too much of a hassle for me to go through at this moment.

"Bitcoin generator bot" sounds like a total scam, have fun with your virus's!

The real problem is that the owner of the site is reading this forum, maybe it was better to keep this "method" completely anonymous. However it might function again but I haven't tried the script so I cannot be sure.

I'm pretty sure the generator was that there were multiple accounts on separate proxies being able to click on ads over and over. That's why it was a generator.

Please refrain from posting here if you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Clearly you're just posting to boost your post count for your sig campaign earnings. ::)

The bot did not contain any viruses or anything, not to mention it was designed to be set up on a completely remote machine, a VPS.

Signing up the emails plus the database management with regards to filling out the proxy data and account info is a PITA.  10 accounts can easily take 2 hrs is the proxies are shit. 

I did locate 2 services which offer clean virgin proxies, but they are more expensive than what instantproxies is offering.

I got a fresh batch of proxies to try at a later date to see if I get paid out on Sunday or not, from ref accounts and not. Debating whether I should get new referrals or not, I think the IP's of my accounts were the only thing banned and not the accounts themselves.

I would like to ask if my post is what the script did. If not, I would also like to ask what it actually did do.

If you're still able to login to the accounts then they're not banned, but they could be banned at a later date, you'll never know. Let us know how it goes, probably best not to publicly share which proxy provider you're using for the time being :)

Yep, that's basically what it did. The bot essentially ran a imacro script that would automatically login to each account on it's own assigned proxy IP to claim the earnings. It will log into each account over a number of different browser instances, each account has it's own assigned proxy IP which is all saved in a local mysql database.

Overall the concept is fairly simple if you know how to write imacro scripts and take advantage of captcha solving services then it is pretty easy to make your own bot like this. The only problem is that the bot would only work for the sites it was specifically designed for.

Accounts were not banned. EDIT: Some accounts were banned... RE-EDIT: No accounts have been banned. NO PROXIES HAVE BEEN BANNED. So I will wait until sunday to sign up new accounts and see hwo long these new proxies will last. Then if these don't go good, I will downgrade and only try 10 virgin proxies :D

UPDATE: I have been going through one by one the accounts that the bot said IP has been banned. I believe the script in the bot that makes it switch proxies has been broken. Manually going into each account on it's own proxy shows that no account nor the proxy has been banned.

My accounts are banned as well

I am 99% sure now that it was a scam because I paid him on Tuesday and since then no more communication he didn't even install the bot

agreed, from whatIread on the thread it was a working bot, lkus it was not actually generating bitcoins, there was a reason this was posted amd that was because for some time it worked.

The Only thing that speaks for him is that he didnt clean out his wallet yet

My accounts (IP) are banned too :(

@WaffleMaster  , @master-P, @damiano :   did you changed your proxy's ?  How is working ? The accounts are banned , or just the IP's ?

Hmm,he hasn't shown up yet,I don't know what to think.

In my case my accounts seem to be banned, the majority of them at least. When I try to log in manually it simply says wrong password, so I assumed they're banned. I haven't tried with new proxies yet. I found out about 20 or so of my accounts are still in tact, but the bot just cant seem to login to them for some reason. Hopefully Rich can help shed some light on this, perhaps it's a glitch in the bot's macro script?

Wow. Rich always has been so helpful and active. It does sound like it's not rich's fault, although he locked the thread pretty quickly and you noted he's not on Skype anymore although he said he would offer support.

Maybe contact him through email? Worth a try. I've got his email.

Also I realised he was just on 3 hours ago.

So he is still monitoring bitcoin talk but just not responding.

I think we all believed him too much this time just because he has provided information and did some explaining and had some support for the first few days. We should learn a lesson from that.

It's actually not his fault that the proxies are banned. You people need some virgin proxies, so that'll add up to the cost but at the backend, nothing has actually changed. So blaming him for the issues is not correct but the part where he comes online, and doesn't respond is totally his fault.
The only thing in his favour is that he has not used up the money in his wallet (https://blockchain.info/address/1GP9FqAaMqRKuUe6RznWhFSEdnfCYrPfv8) yet but that's maybe his laziness, who knows.
Best of luck people, hope everything turns out great because 1.5BTC for an iMacro script was already a large sum and now this happened.

My main concern and what stopped me from purchasing this script is how easy it would be to block it. Changing the faucet just slightly would cause a macro script to stop working. The video showing the bot working is one of the biggest faults since the owners (who we assume use btctalk) can watch the video and easily find the bot patterns (range in pause delays, repetition, etc). Hopefully he provides good support and will provide updates to the macros.

Updating the macroscript is very easy. Changing the delay pattern can only temporarily stop the bot from working if this is the case. Same goes for banning proxies. A person who is trying to earn from this script will obviously invest in some "virgin" proxies as some people call them.
The only thing good about the script was the DBM and the involvement of captcha solving in the script. Other than that, it would take only 4-5 mintues to make the script.

trying with other proxies wouldn't help. if you create new account with those proxies they will be banned too.. they're banning it coz they don't earn anything from those proxy visits. so this method has been patched now.  ::)

What this bot? Never heard of it.

They can't tell which accounts are running the bot and which aren't. The "method" is just a script and not a bug in their system. They can only ban proxies and can't fix anything since there is nothing to be fixed.

It's a macro script to drain faucets and the owner of the script sold around 11 BTC worth of script.

From what I see , my accounts are not banned , just the IP is blocked. I get this message :
So I think : If I change the IP of the accounts with a new proxy ... maybe ... is working :)

Some have reported that their accounts are banned.

Don't you guys think it's weird how right after rich stops selling the bot you all get banned? He again was active just about 5-6 hours ago, he's active but not replying.
Maybe rich even owns the proxies he recommends to you.

He also took of with coins at least with mine

Nice bot i like the idea of draining the faucets who pay the peanuts like slave labor, also he done ok with that script didn't he. Shame i never see it or i would have probably brought one as well :) How much was the charge?

For all those who don't know what this bot does, here is the link to the main thread (now locked):

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=968021

Basically, it was a bot that would use multiple accounts and proxies to collect free coins from the faucets Freebitco.in and Freedoge.co.in. The owner of those sites is wetsuit (http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=154142) and he posts here on the forums so it's likely that he found out. I'm not sure how exactly the bots were discovered and blocked but it seems that people who bought the bot were using the same proxy servers so it was easy to identify them.

EDIT: Just a guess but it could also be possible that the site owner purchased the bot himself, analyzed its behavior, and then blocked it.


1.49 BTC it seems.

It was originally 1.49 but it seems most people bought it when it was BTC0.49(discounted).

I personally think it was a pretty stupid scam because most people still owes rich BTC1 each. If he stayed legit, then anything could happen :)

I dont know sustainable a bot like that is without constantly having to modify the script once its that public. I am sure he made a good amount of btc giving out a bot that probably would never last long enough to make him the money he just made.

I paid him monday and have heard nothing. 

You mean monday this week? I'm pretty sure that he was still active.

Try emailing: richmoda56@mail.com

I'm a little bit shocked at how many people decided to pay him without the use of escrow though, despite how trustworthy he may have seemed in the beginning. I would've used an escrow to pay for something just to make sure it was delivered first at the very least, but it seems like there are more and more people reporting that they paid and Rich simply stopped responding after that. I am very disappointed. I'm happy to give him a few more days to respond before we jump to any conclusions, but seeing the BTC funds move from his wallet and seeing that he has indeed been lurking on the forums the past few days is not very reassuring.

Yes, I guess he has provided a video, written a pretty constructive post and listed a bit of techy stuff. But that's all. I was starting to think he was certainly legitimate and about the purchase this bot when he locked the thread. I guess I was lucky after all not getting the bot.

People might just be lazy to use escrow. To be honest I never have used an escrow before and would avoid escrow if the amount isn't critical.

Yeah, I understand that completely. Some people don't like to go through the hassle of using a third party as an escrow, extra step, fees they have to pay, etc. But I suppose it's different for everyone, I personally will use an escrow if I feel like there is some risk in the transaction I'm about to partake in, and/or if it's an amount of money I can't afford to lose.

The escrow does not apply in all cases because some buyers use the escrow, he installed the bot , then the escrow is released.
For example I paid 0.5 BTC, he install the bot with 10 accounts, then I paid another 0.5 BTC (both transactions without escrow)
Also I paid 100$ (in BTC) for 50 accounts + 50 proxy  (to be installed)
The bot stops working after a few days..(I'm sure the owners of the faucets saw the bot sale thread in here)
I dont think Rich will come back to reply or to refund any BTC (he should be done it untill now)

Sad  ... and another aprox. 500$ lost ...

Wow. $500 is a lot.

I agree that escrow doesn't really do anything in this deal. If the bot malfunctions and rich don't fix it, you can't ask the escrow for your money back.

It's funny though that no one is actually leaving negative trust feedback, I'll take that as most of us are still expecting rich to come alive again someday.

It's a shot in the dark. i don't think he'll come back, let alone refunding the people. But again he hasn't used up the 11 BTC he has in his wallet.

He has started using the BTC in his wallet : https://blockchain.info/address/1GP9FqAaMqRKuUe6RznWhFSEdnfCYrPfv8
Sorry for the loss people. Next time never trust anyone with a shortcut to become rich.

As Master-P said he'll wait few more days on him before everyone give him neg-trust. Anyways giving him neg-trust wouldn't help, He'll simply open another account and start scamming.
Sorry for those who lost their money in this bot, Always use escrow.

Using exscrow won't help in this case , becasue he installed the bot for most of the buyers.
After he installed, the escrow was relesead.
The bot stop working after that ...

I left him negative trust

When I first saw the bot sale thread, I was very impressed and interested to buy it. But I remember someone pointing out in that thread that th success of the bot greatly depended on how much balance the faucet has. If there are no funds in faucet, the bot isn't of much value. I did not purchase the bot for this single reason.

But the actual reason of failure turned out to be something no one had anticipated. The site owner noticed what was happening (and maybe even saw the thread himself) and blocked the proxies. (or at least that's what it looks like  now.)

Glad I didn't buy it.

The interesting part is going through his transactions (wallet) lead me to a wallet, a single wallet with over $900k in BTC.
We may never know who he was but he sure did teach us a lesson.

Yes of course , this is a plausible "theory" *. These types of method should be discussed only in private, the selling thread should never exist because the admin of the site can see it and block all the method in 5-10 minutes. Have you (who bought) used an escrow ? or not? Now he should refund at least a part of the bitcoin, or gives a sort of support.


*As I said here :


EDIT :

He has completly emptied that address (1GP9FqAaMqRKuUe6RznWhFSEdnfCYrPfv8):

- https://blockchain.info/it/tx/ef6121216188c204922e99f8417f65cdb4ba8f0b27447b64cb49f75928cdd8de
- https://blockchain.info/it/tx/6e773f178cc664c7451efd3af95ff7d118f79a177f6ffa5d030e4ae2f25c1bfc

That is very interesting. I am wondering if he had many of these "scams" or if he is just a wealthy person

A wealthy person doing scams doesn't seem to make any sense. Nor did he actually scam. He's just afraid to face the reality that the script he wrote is rendered useless and he owes people money.

I believe the script is a good starting ground to the bot, but there needs to be a few alterations to make it considered undetectable, and i will list the downsides to each below.

 But before i do, we need to come to a realization of a few things, that even though Rich bailed on us. There is still a chance we can make this work, although its very small, it still exits. I have knowledge of CS, but have neither the time to learn all this, or even manage this whole thing. Also, if we do attempt on making the bot actually work, we would need to find someone discreet, knowledgeable, and TRUSTWORTHY; He/She would manage on doing a few alterations to the bot, to actually make a few changes to make the accounts appear more normal and realistic.
This will lead to an increase in monthly cost, and a decrease in potential earnings, but it can mean that the bot can actually survive, and payout for a long period of time in more discrete manner. If this is done right, that means you can work hard to set it up and sit and relax on auto cruise control with actually getting paid for a long time, undetected. The proposed changes are posted near the end of this post.
I think the inherent problem with the bot that all accounts are somewhat too similar, along with the services everyone uses and such. If we can tone things down a bit, then we can make it much much harder to detect that it is actually a bot rather than an account.


The whole idea would be that all of us who bought an account would pool together and create a sort of a voting system. Each script purchases is a equal to one vote. Every decision is put through a vote, for the sake of transparency among us all. A Pooling system with all of us working together means that we all have a chance of making this work, rather than just accepting the fact that we were scammed and move on. Because the script works, and that means that we just have to make sure that we make the accounts look and act more like humans, they cant shut down the accounts if they cant distinctly find out whos a bot and whos not.
We could post up a thread on services on this forum looking for a developer who can help, we screen through candidates, and we vote for the appropriate ones. The key idea here is that all of us search on online sources for Trustworthy and Discreet developer(s) who have knowledge on how to make the appropriate changes. In return, we could offer a chance to run his own copy of the bot. A win-win. To take this further, we can ask the developer to reset our VPS OS, reinstall the bot, so we have a clean run of everything. We could pool a bit of btc as compensation between us (I saw he almost scammed $3100 dollars, an extra few hundred dollars between all of us for everything to work, i'm willing to chip in). So we search for and choose a developer, and then decide on compensation package (we pool money, if any), and then the developer makes the appropriate changes to the script and bot, and we run everything again.

For this to work, someone among us would have to choose to manage the whole plan, and keep everyone updated as a group, and have everything to a vote. Ofcourse, this person would have to be trustworthy, and all money managed (if any) is always kept with a reputable escrow we decide on. This is Key, and make sure that since the money is with an escrow, it is secure from any single individual trying to steal more.
 Like i said before, i dont have time to manage this whole thing, and to make it more transparent that this whole idea is written out of good faith, rather than an attempt to further scam, i wont apply to manage the whole thing. But if whoever is interested writes why he/she might be the good leader to run this, please write and tell us why,  and we would then take everything to a vote, and choose who runs the new plan to fix the bot.

I will be more than happy to speak to the developer with ideas, and come here occasionally to help out whenever i can, and be a member of the voting system.

These are my ideas, on what we could do to make the bot better and the whole process more undetectable:

1. From each IP service, a maximum of 10 IP's are to be chosen, these are to be dedicated IP's (and preferably virgin). This means that things are a bit more spread out, in terms of randomness.
Downside: the hassle of buying from more providers, and managing everything.

2. For Captchas, A switch from the AI model (thats cheaper but can be wrong sometimes up to 6 times in a row) to the human-based one means that your accounts are much less likely to be flagged for continuously failing captcha's. I dont know if freebitco.in or the doge equivalent actually have any flags for this; but if they at least record how many captcha's you fail, our accounts would be on the high end of the spectrum with a rather bad ratio of number of times captcha solved / number of times captcha failed. That could alone, be a measure of how they could detect accounts.
Downside: You will increase the cost of the AI service, to almost $100 a month for 120 accounts, from around $20. Cost vs Reliability Here.

3. Instead of having a standard sleeping schedule for each account, you could have it set at random for each day. For example, we could have the bot have this sort of dynamic sleeping schedule. For each day, it chooses a number between 13-18, this represents the number of hours the bot will sleep after it has 'awoken'. Example, the Bot 'Woke up' at 02:00, it rolls 15 hours, and thus it will set 02:00 + 15 hours = 17:00 as the sleeping time.
Downside: I think none, other than a slight volatility on the number of rolls each done total each day.

4. Lets take the idea from number 3 further, rather than have the accounts roll each hour for the time they are awake. We choose a 3 hours a day for each bot (or even more to appear more realistic), and in those hours the bot does not roll for any earnings. This is to even further have the accounts appear normal without having too long of consecutive periods rolling.
Downside: You will decrease the number of rolls in the day by almost 1/5th (in example), thus reducing possible earnings.

5. This might be a stretch, but for the sake of ideas, lets put it out there. For each account, choose 3-5 different days in the week (make sure that each account has its own dates, randomly chosen for the month, different from other accounts). This means that the accounts are not always rolling every single day of the year, mimicking human behaviour.
Downside: Again, decreasing the number of total rolls, and reducing possible earnings.

6. Make sure that emails generated are from all different providers (not to mean that they wont be overlaps, but that it would be odd if 120 accounts created all have yahoo emails addresses. A 1/5th split (or even smaller) between outlook, gmail, yahoo, aol, etc. makes everything appear more realistic.
Downside: None

7. The overall hierarchy of account referrals should be somewhat random. Dont make all accounts follow one person, keeping changing up which accounts refer which sub-accounts. Make sure that one account only refers a maximum of around 9 different accounts, and any of the 9 account do not refer any more people. That way, you always have batches of 10 accounts linked to each other and not more. each batch does not link to the other batch of accounts in terms of referral hierarchy. Also, maybe spread out creation of the accounts over a a week or so.

This is what i can come up with so far, and more ideas could be suggested. Let me know what you guys think, and feel free to bounce any ideas around.

Edit: a few ideas added

I would give you acces to my bot the .... did not deliver

I could have easily became of victim of this. I had messaged him on the 10th and asked if he still had the bot program for sale. He said yes, and basically message him on Skype. I don't use Skype enough to know how it even works, but I think I messaged him right and he never responded to me.

https://i.imgur.com/B1zCTKw.png

I Feel as long as your show us Txid of the payment to one of Rich's accounts, we can track everything, and among us we have all the code.

De transactie die u via Anycoin Direct heeft uitgevoerd is voltooid. De coins zijn naar het door u opgegeven adres verzonden.
Aantal coins      0,49000000 BTC
Coin adres      1GP9FqAaMqRKuUe6RznWhFSEdnfCYrPfv8
Tx id      9555c80531a487edb048d4ba8be91b1d1f254197485452f72dc9f9ea88626256

I know a great deal about the database of the bot and how to get things working, alas, if we have to buy proxies every 5 days and risk accounts with BTC becoming obsolete, on top of having to sign up hundreds of accounts a week, it doesn't seem very worth it. A lot of proxies have the same subnets too, aka 172.160.2.254 and 172.160.2.123. Not to mention that the account signup script always goes to the same facebook page before signing up, which I know how to change but still would it even matter? The obvious flaw is in the proxy system in general and you can't trust the referral system so there goes 50% of the profit immediately.

I got my payment (generated with the bot) from FreeBitco.in  : 0.81$

I made the best deal : 500$ investment - 0.81$ win  !

LOL...  At first I read 0.81 BTC and thought "Not too bad!"  But then I noticed it was $0.81 and not BTC.  :D

If you had just bought Bitcoin directly using those $500, you would have got around 1.8 BTC at current prices.

Yeah , but I would not have the bot and all the fun :)

new updates ?

someone managed tomake this work again?

Has anybody else heard from Richard Moda about this? He messaged me this morning and am looking for more info.

http://imgur.com/hGHMXA1

Nope, but I'd be careful when dealing with him considering how he has decided to completely ignore this thread and some of the people who have purchased his bot with nothing in return.

That's exactly why I posted here Master-P. If something wasn't wrong I would think he would have responded in this thread other than hiding in the shadows lurking.

I would avoid all contact until he posts in this thread with an explanation.  Also be on the lookout for any new user selling a bot since he could easily make or create a new "bot" to taylor to a different website/faucet.

Good points. I think you should update the OP of this thread stating that Rich is no longer trustworthy, has not responded to any of us, and he has seemingly ran away with the BTC sent to him for the bot without even delivering the bot to certain buyers.

Done

I have left him negative feedback since it appears he is still logging in and trying to sell the bot to others.. hopefully everyone can see it and no one falls for it.

I think at this point he isn't coming back and everyone else should do the same.

if it sounds too good to be true... Be watchful ;)