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Title: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: alani123 on March 22, 2015, 06:01:30 AM
https://i.imgur.com/k3bGxQg.png?1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzia-8MX4ig)

A video produced by BuzzFeed. Performed by spoken word artist Caroline Rothstein.

My thoughts on it:

Isn't it sickening how an unhealthy lifestyle is promoted in such a way? Why should people avoid eating healthily? Why should people feel no guilt what so ever for something that it's entirely their fault for not changing. Body weight, is something entirely manageable and there are only rare exceptions. It's different from gender, sexual orientation or even race. I can't figure out why some people try to convince everyone that "feeling comfortable with your body" should apply in all cases. Acting like obesity isn't a problem, encouraging people to embrace it and do nothing about it rather than just avoid unhealthy eating and lack of exercise. I find such campaigns truly irresponsible.


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: saddampbuh on March 22, 2015, 07:19:53 AM
you wanted to live in a world where all people, cultures and lifestyles are equal, so live in it


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: shluher on March 22, 2015, 01:15:15 PM
https://i.imgur.com/k3bGxQg.png?1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzia-8MX4ig)

A video produced by BuzzFeed. Performed by spoken word artist Caroline Rothstein.

My thoughts on it:

Isn't it sickening how an unhealthy lifestyle is promoted in such a way? Why should people avoid eating healthily? Why should people feel no guilt what so ever for something that it's entirely their fault for not changing. Body weight, is something entirely manageable and there are only rare exceptions. It's different from gender, sexual orientation or even race. I can't figure out why some people try to convince everyone that "feeling comfortable with your body" should apply in all cases. Acting like obesity isn't a problem, encouraging people to embrace it and do nothing about it rather than just avoid unhealthy eating and lack of exercise. I find such campaigns truly irresponsible.

nobody care

http://592f46.medialib.glogster.com/media/5e685ca0b1294fe0c40e1a8f8e5480cd50e9700e5452625e760ba756f4605258/skinny-girl.jpg



Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: 3x2 on March 22, 2015, 03:13:38 PM
She look Gorgeous  ;)
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/5b/4a/c0/5b4ac0be0d54c5d30d23ac653128f249.jpg


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: Dogtanian on March 22, 2015, 03:24:46 PM
Op, did you even watch the video? She's not even advocating being fat but just eating when you're hungry and stopping when you're full. And besides, she's not even fat. Looks quite healthy to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzia-8MX4ig


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: rosh on March 22, 2015, 04:05:56 PM
This is actually against the trend of starving yourself to be seen as "thin".
I would any day prefer to be seen as healthy/fat rather than thin.


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: 9000 on March 22, 2015, 07:50:53 PM
Dude, it looks like we've seen different videos, I don't see how that video is promoting an unhealthy life style...

Eating too much is also an eating disorder.


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: NUFCrichard on March 22, 2015, 08:25:57 PM
Having a BMI of just over 25 has been shown to give the longest life expectancy.
I have no issue with people who are over-weight, usually someone with a BMI of 28 looks fairly trim, nothing crazy, e.g. 6'0 and 207lbs, not skinny, but pretty average.

I do think that once people get to >35 BMI, they need to look at themselves and people really shouldn't be telling them that it is ok. That is 6'0 and 257lbs, that is just fat, they will struggle to do menial tasks and have a seriously reduced life expectancy.  Do they love food so much that that is all they want in life? 

I have never understood why people think women with very low BMIs are especially attractive.  I think it is women telling women what to be, rather than men telling women what the want. I have never heard a man say that they wish a woman was size zero, ever.


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: BitCoinNutJob on March 22, 2015, 09:42:03 PM

The whole fat and unfat, healthy and unhealthy situation has been warped.  1 person can seem quite large but be perfectly healthy, put that same weight on another person and they'd be unhealthy.  Same thing goes for slim people.

If a person cant walk due to weight thats obviously too fat.

Skinny/most slim girls are unappealing, i like women with curves.  Im slim myself always had a high metabolism.

When you think someone is fat ask yourself, why you are drawing that conclusion.



Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: 2dogs on March 22, 2015, 09:44:18 PM
If they want to be fat, let them! Why should we care? I have enough of the government giving me advices on life, family and health.
Let's face it some people are addicted to food or just too lazy to work out just like some people choose not to have a job or not to marry.


Exactly right.

I'd rather worry about something else, like my own things.


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: alani123 on March 22, 2015, 09:49:27 PM
Dude, it looks like we've seen different videos, I don't see how that video is promoting an unhealthy life style...

Eating too much is also an eating disorder.

I'm sure we watched the same video. We probably didn't pay attention to the same parts. Because among other things, she said "Eat whatever you want, whenever you want and however much you want". And later on goes on to say that that body weight isn't significant. That's the one and only way to obesity.


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: 9000 on March 22, 2015, 10:07:17 PM
Dude, it looks like we've seen different videos, I don't see how that video is promoting an unhealthy life style...

Eating too much is also an eating disorder.

I'm sure we watched the same video. We probably didn't pay attention to the same parts. Because among other things, she said "Eat whatever you want, whenever you want and however much you want". And later on goes on to say that that body weight isn't significant. That's the one and only way to obesity.

That's because she came from bulimia/anorexia, she was afraid of food, like a lot, she probably count every calorie, after eating to much purge, and so on.

This video is for that kind of people...


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: criptix on March 22, 2015, 10:08:32 PM
Well an unhealthy lifestyle and overweight is a possible solution to overpopulation in our society


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: alani123 on March 22, 2015, 10:19:01 PM
Dude, it looks like we've seen different videos, I don't see how that video is promoting an unhealthy life style...

Eating too much is also an eating disorder.

I'm sure we watched the same video. We probably didn't pay attention to the same parts. Because among other things, she said "Eat whatever you want, whenever you want and however much you want". And later on goes on to say that that body weight isn't significant. That's the one and only way to obesity.

That's because she came from bulimia/anorexia, she was afraid of food, like a lot, she probably count every calorie, after eating to much purge, and so on.

This video is for that kind of people...

You keep on defending this for some reason. Which I don't find weird, I would do the same if I didn't know that buzzfeed was actively promoting social justice culture. The "artist" in this video probably tries to appeal to the "fat acceptance" movement. I wouldn't be surprised if the claims she made at the start of the video were a lie to touch the sensitive hearts of some. SJWs are not the most honest kind of people, they even have this "listen and believe" principle that they tend to follow.


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: (oYo) on March 22, 2015, 10:54:06 PM
https://i.imgur.com/bOmBCJC.jpg
Watch out for "healthism" folks! It's the number one killer of... umm... oh, never mind. >:(


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: Beliathon on March 22, 2015, 11:18:59 PM
George Carlin said it best (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLRQvK2-iqQ).


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: darkangel11 on March 23, 2015, 12:48:04 AM
George Carlin said it best (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLRQvK2-iqQ).
How does this woman locate her asshole? Do these people fuck? It doesn't seem structurally possible. :D


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: ajareselde on March 23, 2015, 01:41:56 AM
I agree that healthy people should eat what they want, and when they want, it seams perfectly logical; if ure hungry, you should eat, and the recent curly woman promotion is something
i agree with. You dont have to have a perfect body to be butiful...BUT when your size gets to xxl (avg american ^^) you should realy consider getting some help.


George Carlin said it best (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLRQvK2-iqQ).

RIP legend

cheers


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: alani123 on March 23, 2015, 02:51:17 AM
::)

I was promised FAT.

WTF gyz. She's got like barely enough energy surplus to survive a night of sex with blablahblah.

In the morning she be like
http://592f46.medialib.glogster.com/media/5e685ca0b1294fe0c40e1a8f8e5480cd50e9700e5452625e760ba756f4605258/skinny-girl.jpg

and I be like "911 ambulance plz" ;D

You do realise that this is a photoshop right?


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: FreedomCoin on March 23, 2015, 03:15:29 PM
You do realise that this is a photoshop right?
Yeah, I was talking about the lady with the puppy fat. Gone by morning.

You cannot see visceral fat, which is the real killer.

Nothing like squishing your organs killing you from inflammation.


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: s.mouse on March 23, 2015, 03:29:22 PM
Dude, it looks like we've seen different videos, I don't see how that video is promoting an unhealthy life style...

Eating too much is also an eating disorder.

I think someone just has a penchant for fat shaming.

Dude, it looks like we've seen different videos, I don't see how that video is promoting an unhealthy life style...

Eating too much is also an eating disorder.

I'm sure we watched the same video. We probably didn't pay attention to the same parts. Because among other things, she said "Eat whatever you want, whenever you want and however much you want". And later on goes on to say that that body weight isn't significant. That's the one and only way to obesity.

What's wrong with eating what you want when you want? That's completely normal. Do you actually go hungry rather than eat when your body is telling you to? I eat when I want and I'm pretty slim. You could stuff your face half of the day and if you exercise sufficiently you'll burn all the excess off any way.


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: worhiper_-_ on March 23, 2015, 03:38:18 PM
In my opinion being fat is not unhealthy unhealthy is someone who eats a lot of junk food or meat everyday etc... everyone has the right to be fat or thin but if you are fat and you dont want to change this means that you love your body , at this point it doesnt matter what the others think but you ;)


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: FreedomCoin on March 23, 2015, 04:47:07 PM
In my opinion being fat is not unhealthy unhealthy is someone who eats a lot of junk food or meat everyday etc... everyone has the right to be fat or thin but if you are fat and you dont want to change this means that you love your body , at this point it doesnt matter what the others think but you ;)

What about when your flying economy, and stuck in the middle seat between two fat people? With each of them taking up 1 and a 1/4 seat, leaving you with half a seat.

Because they love their body, you the healthy person in the middle seat should suffer.


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: ajareselde on March 23, 2015, 07:38:27 PM
In my opinion being fat is not unhealthy unhealthy is someone who eats a lot of junk food or meat everyday etc... everyone has the right to be fat or thin but if you are fat and you dont want to change this means that you love your body , at this point it doesnt matter what the others think but you ;)

You are terrible at defining whats healthy; how can you say that being fat is NOT unhealthy? Take a look at this for an example :

http://images.agoramedia.com/everydayhealth/gcms/body-fat-heart-failure-01-RM-pg-full.jpg

Its obviously making it much harder for organ to work properly with all that fat around it. Im not saying that u need to be skinny, and little curves is especialy nice to see on a woman by my opinion, but
there certanly is a line that must not be crossed and that goes both for fat and anorexic people, its a disease on some people.

cheers


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: 9000 on March 23, 2015, 10:29:26 PM
Dude, it looks like we've seen different videos, I don't see how that video is promoting an unhealthy life style...

Eating too much is also an eating disorder.

I'm sure we watched the same video. We probably didn't pay attention to the same parts. Because among other things, she said "Eat whatever you want, whenever you want and however much you want". And later on goes on to say that that body weight isn't significant. That's the one and only way to obesity.

That's because she came from bulimia/anorexia, she was afraid of food, like a lot, she probably count every calorie, after eating to much purge, and so on.

This video is for that kind of people...

You keep on defending this for some reason. Which I don't find weird, I would do the same if I didn't know that buzzfeed was actively promoting social justice culture. The "artist" in this video probably tries to appeal to the "fat acceptance" movement. I wouldn't be surprised if the claims she made at the start of the video were a lie to touch the sensitive hearts of some. SJWs are not the most honest kind of people, they even have this "listen and believe" principle that they tend to follow.

Now social justice is a bad thing?

And I don't see how the video is promoting social justice, well, if you consider not having an eating disorder social justice, I guess it is...


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: ObscureBean on March 24, 2015, 05:02:14 AM
Very obtuse thinking/reasoning from op there. It doesn't even matter that the mechanics that dictates fatness is astronomically more complex, no one has any business telling fat people not to be fat and no fat person has any business being offended by someone telling them off for being fat.


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: jaysabi on March 24, 2015, 03:22:44 PM
Very obtuse thinking/reasoning from op there. It doesn't even matter that the mechanics that dictates fatness is astronomically more complex, no one has any business telling fat people not to be fat and no fat person has any business being offended by someone telling them off for being fat.

Except for the part where their being fat is none of your business and you making it your business is probably offensive to them. There's legitimate offense to be taken there where strangers put their own values on someone else's life for the purpose of judging them.


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: alani123 on March 24, 2015, 03:29:58 PM
Very obtuse thinking/reasoning from op there. It doesn't even matter that the mechanics that dictates fatness is astronomically more complex, no one has any business telling fat people not to be fat and no fat person has any business being offended by someone telling them off for being fat.

Look, I'm not claiming to be in a position to judge others. I'm just criticizing the motivation the video I posted is trying to give. "Love your body" sounds like a good context doesn't it? But I can't really say that it's something I like when it's used as an excuse to do nothing to fight obesity.

This video doesn't say anything to motivate people eating healthy and exersizing... Instead it gives messages like "Eat anything and whenever" and "Body weight doesn't matter". The truth is that body weight is a significant factor in obesity, and eating "anything and whenever" doesn't rally help.

Is it my business to judge people over doing that? Absolutely not. But I can say that I find it wrong. I specifically say in the OP that this is my personal opinion/comment and nothing more. What's obtuse here is your perception of what I say.


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: hilariousandco on March 24, 2015, 03:49:59 PM
Very obtuse thinking/reasoning from op there. It doesn't even matter that the mechanics that dictates fatness is astronomically more complex, no one has any business telling fat people not to be fat and no fat person has any business being offended by someone telling them off for being fat.

Look, I'm not claiming to be in a position to judge others. I'm just criticizing the motivation the video I posted is trying to give. "Love your body" sounds like a good context doesn't it? But I can't really say that it's something I like when it's used as an excuse to do nothing to fight obesity.

I guess you can look at the video in different ways. I think it was more about being confident with your body and not giving in to peer and societal pressure rather than eat everything and become a slob and don't give a fuck about your health. If the woman was morbidly obese it may have come across this way but she looks like a normal and healthy person to me. More healthy than a stick thin woman who says don't eat when you're hungry. That would be a bigger issue and far more damaging opinion, in my opinion.


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: alani123 on March 24, 2015, 04:33:15 PM
Very obtuse thinking/reasoning from op there. It doesn't even matter that the mechanics that dictates fatness is astronomically more complex, no one has any business telling fat people not to be fat and no fat person has any business being offended by someone telling them off for being fat.

Look, I'm not claiming to be in a position to judge others. I'm just criticizing the motivation the video I posted is trying to give. "Love your body" sounds like a good context doesn't it? But I can't really say that it's something I like when it's used as an excuse to do nothing to fight obesity.

I guess you can look at the video in different ways. I think it was more about being confident with your body and not giving in to peer and societal pressure rather than eat everything and become a slob and don't give a fuck about your health. If the woman was morbidly obese it may have come across this way but she looks like a normal and healthy person to me. More healthy than a stick thin woman who says don't eat when you're hungry. That would be a bigger issue and far more damaging opinion, in my opinion.

You're right, this goes both ways really. But obesity is probably a more common issue than anorexia. Simply being thin doesn't mean that you have an eating disorder though.



Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: hilariousandco on March 24, 2015, 04:37:12 PM
Simply being thin doesn't mean that you have an eating disorder though.

Neither does being 'fat'. You also don't have to have an eating disorder to be unhealthily skinny or fat.


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: alani123 on March 24, 2015, 04:46:23 PM
Simply being thin doesn't mean that you have an eating disorder though.

Neither does being 'fat'. You also don't have to have an eating disorder to be unhealthily skinny or fat.
While it isn't necessary that being fat requires someone to have an eating disorder, in almost all the cases it's preventable. Someone in family lost nearly 45 kilos (100 pounds) by simply managing to maintain a healthy lifestyle for a decent amount of time.

Eating disorder? Maybe not in all cases, but obesity is surely a problem most people can overcome.



Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: alani123 on March 27, 2015, 01:27:58 PM
Fit middle-aged men 'at lower risk for some cancers'
http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/media/images/81922000/jpg/_81922869_fit_man.jpg
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-32065073


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: doggieTattoo on March 27, 2015, 09:43:49 PM
you wanted to live in a world where all people, cultures and lifestyles are equal, so live in it

As a fat dude, It is not healthy to be fat, and it is not a choice either.  It is more like an addiction to food.  that being said, saying you should be proud of being fat is ridiculous, you should strive to be healthy in stead of different.  Respecting someones views on religon are not at all the same as saying "Because I am comfertable being fat I am healthy"  It is not healthy to be fat under any circumstance. 


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: rosh on March 28, 2015, 05:00:42 AM

As a fat dude, It is not healthy to be fat, and it is not a choice either.  It is more like an addiction to food.   

It could be a hormonal problem as well.


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: nsimmons on March 28, 2015, 05:39:56 AM

As a fat dude, It is not healthy to be fat, and it is not a choice either.  It is more like an addiction to food.   

It could be a hormonal problem as well.

Yes hormones violate the laws of thermodynamics.

Yes being diabetic with poor insulin sensitivity can lead to increased conversion of glucose to triglycerides, making it difficult to drop weight, but being fat comes from too much food, period. Body fat isn't absorbed from the atmosphere.

Being fat isn't healthy period. You may be able to maintain some basic blood markers(electrolytes, cbc) in the normal range, but hormonal profiles will change. Increased aromatization of testosterone -> estrogen, decreased t4->t3 conversion, piss poor glucose uptake and increased homocysteine. Sleep apnea is also very common, and most people don't realize they are literally suffocating in their sleep.


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: Santoso on September 22, 2015, 01:14:05 PM
It is okay being fat. As long as you can bring yourself confidently, happily and keep yourself healthy.


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: twister on September 22, 2015, 01:43:57 PM
It is okay being fat. As long as you can bring yourself confidently, happily and keep yourself healthy.

Well one of my cousin got heart trouble 3 months back, he was fat and thought he was healthy and he was diagnosed with Coronary artery disease (CAD) and they had to do a Balloon Angioplasty to get his artery open and now he can't lift anything even slightly heavy for the rest of his life, not even his kid.  :(

One of my cousin's husband died of heart attack about a month back on his way to the Airport, he was fat too, so I don't think you can be fat and healthy at the same time, you may look good outside but your arteries inside are choking and if you don't do anything about that you'll die pretty soon. Believe it or not but after those 2 incidents I have been running my ass off every morning. I am not fat but my line of work doesn't involves any physical labor and which is why it is necessary for me to burn some calories and get that heart pumping for cardio workout.


Title: Re: "I choose to be... FAT"
Post by: alani123 on September 22, 2015, 02:58:35 PM
It is okay being fat. As long as you can bring yourself confidently, happily and keep yourself healthy.

Well one of my cousin got heart trouble 3 months back, he was fat and thought he was healthy and he was diagnosed with Coronary artery disease (CAD) and they had to do a Balloon Angioplasty to get his artery open and now he can't lift anything even slightly heavy for the rest of his life, not even his kid.  :(

One of my cousin's husband died of heart attack about a month back on his way to the Airport, he was fat too, so I don't think you can be fat and healthy at the same time, you may look good outside but your arteries inside are choking and if you don't do anything about that you'll die pretty soon. Believe it or not but after those 2 incidents I have been running my ass off every morning. I am not fat but my line of work doesn't involves any physical labor and which is why it is necessary for me to burn some calories and get that heart pumping for cardio workout.

Oh man. Sorry to hear that about your family members.

My grandmother also had problems in her later life because of weight. At the age of 60 she started having serious issued with her legs. She wouldn't go out alone after 65 in fear of falling or having to stop due to the pain. In her later years she couldn't go without daily pills for blood pressure and and thyroid. She also had issues with her eyes, I remember that she would occasionally wake up with bleeding in her eye and the doctor would tell us it must've been due to blood pressure because she forgot to take the pills for a day.