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Been doing some soul searching on the future of altcoins today, and I'd like to hear what you'd do if you were in my shoes?

Be as honest as you'd like, I'm Irish American and have thick skin :)

quit

then why is this thread self moderated  ::)

I promise to only moderate posts that offend people other than me :)

Care to elaborate?

I'm inviting people to burn me....c'mon! Our dev team, foundation members, etc. are off limits. Give it to me. I can handle it :)

I think you're doing a good job, Kenel.

I'm not sure what kind of feedback you expect to get here.

I think given the very limited resources you have had and some difficult individuals to deal with you have done a great job for DGC. DGC price has increased significantly while most alts have collapsed and it has remained very solid and stable.

Without proper resources and funding to promote and further develop the coin it is difficult for anyone in your position to do much for the coin.

That said, the community has to pitch in and help as much as possible and DGC seems to have a pretty big and loyal community so that may be one path you may want to try.

Best of luck with everything!

Being irrelevant sucks more than getting shit talked to you, doesn't it?  ;)

Thank you Vlad.

In my occupation as a small business owner, I very rarely get the truth. People are usually afraid of losing their jobs if they speak up (which isn't typically the outcome, just their fear).

I just want the truth.

What are we doing right? What is not making sense? What should we be doing?

I'll sit every Sunday during american football season and yell at the television about how the Chicago Bears should've done X or Y......an armchair quarterback. If I were put in the position of the Offensive Coach, or Defensive Coach....who knows what the hell I would do. It's easy to reflect on the past and realize you should've done XY and Z. It's hard to be proactive.

The superbowl was won with quite possibly the dumbest play call I've ever seen. However, would I have personally made a different call in the coaches' shoes? I don't know.....that's what I'd like to find out :)

Yes and no, silence is a lesson in and of itself. Either way, there's something for me to learn here.

OK it means to stop being the president.

I appreciate the thoughtful insight. This is exactly what I was looking for. Well thought out and expressed in such a way that Robert Frost would be jealous.

When you catch his trail, follow it.....I have a lot of people wanting their DGC back from the shares of cryptoave that he sold......

What's in the past is in the past and cannot be changed.

Informative and well thought out answer. Thanks!

Have not been keeping up with what is going on with Digitalcoin these days.

I used to watch DGC more though.

I remember DGC had its own forum at one time,

but last time I looked I couldn't find the forum?




'If I was the president of the DGC foundation' (I am not the president, that is a conditional thing)

But I think try to find ever more merchants to accept DGC, and ever more people to support DGC.


below is not spam, it is what I think, you asked.
(but no matter who I am, I would consider investing somewhat into smartcoin SMC, seeing as how the price is so low, and I think smc is turning things around for the good I hope)

QFT

agreed and hence why the various 'quit' replies sound like pretty sound advice to me   ;D

I actually had to look up what this meant. Made me laugh for a minute thinking it was something else.

Suppose I should pack it all up and move along because some devs of other coins told me to; Sounds like solid advice to me :)

Thanks for the response!

Why'd you stop keeping up?

We have a forum, making some changes to it at moment.

they're up at https://forum.digitalcoin.co/

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i remember catching a load of crap calling you out as a paid troll who dispenses FUD on coins whales want to take over ::)

if baritus was a scammer then it only affects his side projects, NOT digitalcoin itself. DGC has had a clean distribution since its inception and continues to do so.

please go away, it's hopeless to argue with trolls like yourself.

Also, not sure if you're aware.....Baritus is no longer the developer of Digitalcoin. I actually haven't seen or talked to baritus in months.

Ahmed and Xawksow and several others make up our development team. Great group of guys.

Appreciate the enthusiasm, but not the purpose of this thread. All comments are welcome so long as they aren't negative toward members of our community outside of myself (meaning I'm fair game, do your worst).

Please remind me as I can't remember, who did he steal the coins from ?

you're question has always been what would be 'your' next move, and in reference to me that's exactly what I would do, tis not at all advice on what you should do.

and to quit sounds like sound advice, as you stated you can't change the past, so dgc will always be haunted by its past.

Continue as you are. Improving DGC, Increasing Merchant adoption, Increasing usability.
 If like kelsey said DGC will always be haunted by the best. The only way to possibly go now is up.

Ahmed

Fair enough. I appreciate your input!

Why all the hating on Kenel?

I haven't been following DGC very closely but from what I've seen he's done his best.

Whatever hate people have for baritus shouldn't reflect on the current president of DGCfoundation.

Cheers!

I asked for it!

Want it all out in the open. :)

Not sure what you should do but it's shame to see DGC not doing as good as it should. For me, it still has, and always will have, the best name of all cryptos out there, including Bitcoin. I thought changing algorithm would help but it looks it wasn't caught by people too.

It's hard to compete in the crazy world off all these coins and in the middle of this brutal bear market, guess Baritus actions did some harm too. Anyway, I still have 200k of DGC from many moons ago that nobody will get cheap from me, and hope it will get it's place under the sun of successful coins at some time.

Anyway, I think you should emphasize the coin's top name bit more, it's the biggest selling point for DGC. Than, it needs to come back to people's minds again and for that you'd need some good news and lot of BTC to pump and support it's price. Pump is not some perfect fundamental stuff but it does bring coin to the spotlight, there is nothing really DOGE is better than DGC in except having a volume on exchange and price level supported by lot of bids. DGC unfortunately lost that momo long time ago and doesn't have any big guys supporting it.

Appreciate the input.

DGC, price wise, may not being doing as good as it should, but the community and our developers are doing better than ever.

There are about 1000 "devs" , 150 "developers" and 20 "innovative developers". DGC is based on pretty recent code. I'd encourage you to contact some of the guys in the "20" group and join forces.

In my opinion the whole team make excellent work except the communication.
Somebody wrote about adopt services. We made a list from that, it's much longer than 90% of coins. It's okay but who knows about this list?
The devs working on lots of things, but nobody knows about it. Make some announcements!
Another problem is the time of the projects. We haven't years for some progress in this cryptoworld.

Kenel, You as personally could make contact with reasonable guys(owner of services, exchanges, developers of other coins for cooperate). The fact we are here now is a positive feedback, so You musn't quit.



And at last time to BitcoinEXpress: Forget the past, we haven't any contact with baritus, we don't care what he did with his personal stash. The CryptoAve project was his too. After he leaved and our foundation started to work the price was stabilized and we cleared up his mess.
"Where are all the Baritus fanboys now?" - We don't know, I didn't see a single one for a year.  ;)

We do contact those devs, when we switched to multi-algo hashing Ahmed received insight from 8bitcoder, who was the original developer of multiple algorithm hashing through his creation Myraidcoin. Most devs want to run their own coin, DGC just tries to be fair and friendly so that they'll be inclined to help us should we want to implement their technology. There's no need to have a team of devs (though it would be nice to have more names associated with DGC), you can't really 'force' innovation. This is all open-source, so we just try to remain updated with the best practices developed in crypto.

I'd never want DarkCoin level 'development' happening on DGC, that kind of hype and attention-grabbing will just eat us alive over time. I enjoy DGC as it is, cool and quiet, reliably minding its own business in the background. You attract better people that way.

I understand what you're saying though. It would build credibility and trust (of which DGC is deserving) the more trusted dev's names are 'branded' on the coin. But that being said, a 'team' is kind of misleading, all devs who work open source are already a team :)

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "eat us alive over time" ?

lack of aggressive development in this environment is suicide

no credible institution is going to take a coin such as DRK seriously, since it's already been pumped and hyped, having the credibility squeezed out of it again and agian. By keeping DGC purely a grassroots crypto it is left open to interpretation. We can effectively go wherever we want.


That's what people always say, yet here we are, two years later with over 70 active nodes across the globe. If by aggressive development you mean tacking on gimmick after gimmick in hopes of attracting dumb money.. that's stupid. The less you screw with a sound system the less you're likely to break it.

Not saying we should ignore DGC entirely, but real innovation occurs on its own, since this is an open source environment I think we're fine as we are. Whenever a real advancement in crypto is found (not gimmicks like InstantX or whateverthehell) then we can integrate that into DGC. All we need to worry about is keeping our network healthy and clean of fraud.

Now, aggressive PR, that's something else entirely. DGC needs wayyyy more PR than it currently has. Ya'll can yell at me for being lazy about that, cuz I am.

Thanks for clearing that up. "Eat us alive" didn't make sense to me :)

That not even an achievement. What i have seen in all my time is that coins with no active development and advancement die. coins without purpose die. Coins without direction die.

DGC is dying because it has 70 nodes. When i mined it along with worldcoin and the rest from that period, they had THOUSANDS of nodes. Interest is fading and once interest in an existing coin fades beyond a point....it dies.

Do you know tenebrix, fairbrix? Tonal bitcoin? those were the starter alts..lack of everything left them dead and buried.

cosmoo....starting from page 10 of the altcoin section.....i give you reality. And unless something happens sonn, DGc will average page 32 of the alt section

Sorry, but "we don't want to go DRK way" is absolute bullshit :D

You, me and everyone else involved with DGC in any way, and specially by holding it, would kill for going DRK way. Going DRK way is all that matters in this industry and it's the single way for coin to prospect and be in people's minds with 1000+ other coins around. Volume, pumps, volume, more pumps, volume, price rise is the only way for coins to get any following, do you think so many mainstream companies would adapt Bitcoin if it was still 5$ a piece? It would my ass, nobody but oldtimers from that pweiod would know about it and there would be no marketing purposes of adapting it.

"We're doing it our own way silently in the background" is just a nothing marketing line translating to we're where we are and don't have idea what to do to go up from here. I understand that, I don't have idea too. DGC had it's chance being in first group of alt revolution but unfortunately Baritus screwed it a lot when it mattered most and some significant stuff is required to bring it back to the spotlight. It's shame, really shame, it's name only should make it to top 10 alts out there.

I think cosmo thought that we don't want to be the #1 altcoin with hundreds of tricks, market manipulations,etc. but I think we should be in top10 with clean conscience.
Yeah, Baritus screwed lot of things, but he wasn't the main reason. Look at the continually developed coins from 2013...everyone is "dying".

and by a past that got on peoples bad side I wasn't talking just Baritus, a few core members of dgc earlier on took to ddos.......hint didn't make some of us so happy did my defence by building a dgc holding war chest ;)

who took to ddos? I'm not aware of anyone myself?

Ahmed

No, coins that lose their communities and have nobody running the network die. Right now DGC is very much alive, quiet, but alive. We still have plenty of people mining, and we've always kept a higher position on Cryptsy and BTC38, which is saying something for a coin that hasn't been as 'successfully manipulated' as coins like DRK.

I got the 70 nodes figure from here: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dgc/#!network (click on 'Geo-location'), according to this there are more people running DGC than prominent pump-n-dump coins. As of right now:

130 DGC clients
36 DRK/DASH
54 Viacoin
51 Paycoin
83 BitBay
203 Blackcoin

Now if I'm misinterpreting this data someone please let me know, but looks to me like we're doing just fine.


I don't want to base arguments on emotion alone but there's is a ton of negativity oozing from that post; I have no problem with DGC where it is, an honest, reliable market does not skyrocket, it is stable and predictable. DGC at a 100k market cap is absolutely fine, it allows anyone to buy in at an honest price point, which increases distribution and strengthens the economy. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if we went lower, seeing as only 'little guys' make up the market currently. I'd imagine the coffers of the community run up to a market cap of about 30-40k or so. The rest of the market cap is probably coming from china.

If you want to pump the coin, we'd need to consolidate all our holdings, keep them in a trusted escrow address, then contact a whale. I've actually considered this before but the distribution has just been too good over time, so oh shit, i guess we're stuck being honest. fuck us, right?? I'll repeat, there's nothing wrong with where we are now so long as people don't actually abandon the coin. If you're not happy with it, dump your 200k, I guarantee you someone will be there to buy it. Look at coins like WhiteCoin and LitecoinDark. They're languishing around at 100 satoshi levels. That's where DGC would have to go for any whales interested in accumulating a majority of the supply. (XWC is actually looking kinda frothy after having spent about a year sitting at 100 sats, might be time to buy in)

Frankly I'd prefer it if we'd increase the mint rate along with user adoption, to inhibit manipulation attempts. Seeing as we're already a very friendly coin, might as well go the extra mile.. just my opinion.

I will say that our market cap probably isn't going to swell anytime soon, but if we do dip below 50k there will be buyers waiting. Saying DGC is dead is just hasty and somewhat ignorant. We're young and there's plenty of time for things to move.

Also, as far as I'm concerned about baritus, *assuming* he did maliciously dump his PERSONAL holdings of 560k on the market in an effort to exit (march 8th on cryptsy if you want to look yourself), DGC was already on a strong downward trend, and every other coin similar to our stature has followed the same fate. I just get the feeling people attack him for their own lack of understanding of how these markets work. I lost out on DGC to, I also lost out on BTC buying too early. Blaming baritus for DGC's 'death' is short-sighted and overly dramatic, network integrity and coin price are separate matters. Then again I shouldn't really expect anything else out of Bitcointalk. If you'll do me the favor, I really don't want to talk about or defend the guy, only on the potential behind DGC which I feel still exists.

Ahmed Bodi?

yeah, have you ever managed to sustain a meaningful relationship with another human being? your overall attitude conveys otherwise.

i'd refute you're obvious trolling but it'd just devolve into mindless FUD, which is probably your only real goal here. the final point here is that the DGC network itself was never rigged, block rewards have always been fair and by public consensus. say what you want about Baritus but DGC is clean.

Haha, you cant do shit. Did you succeed in breaking Monero?

Why do You so angry to DGC? If You had some problem with Baritus, find him and tell him. But what is the main reason of Your frustration against DGC?
I don't accept anything what related to Baritus, because he vanished.
Do You have any problem with Kenel, AhmedBodi, Xawksow, CoHe, Cosmo, Techbytes, Samson, Vinje, Wolf, Trenal , CptSoloMiner, Joeyjones or with me?(sorry if I missed someone) Are You hate the single miners?the supporters?

Someone told me he is Baritus  ;)

I'm sure he meant stay on topic and don't digress.  And that goes for everybody who posts in here.  There are plenty of baritus threads that you guys can post in. 


-tb-

Yep im ahmedbodi. Still no one answered the question. who took to DDOS?

Ahmed

There are 3 ages for altcoins ( According to me)

1) 2011 - March 2013                - Birth of Altcoins
2) March 2013 - November 2013 - Altcoin Settlement
3) November 2013 - Today        - Advanced altcoins

Since DGC was in age 2 , it didnt need antyhing except good dev and community. It had along a time both. Once dev screwed everthing with his projects ,  people lost their interest on it - including me. If everything was OK, maybe DGC was still one of the mainstream altcoins with its brand name and community. But it wasnt the case. Anyway , past is past. Below tells what was my plan for DGC

So, what are the criteria of being a successful cryptocoin. At this point I agree with coblee. 3 things - as all we know: Liquidity , merchants and users.

1) Liquidity: The most important part is liquidity. I know lots of altcoin has also very low volume. You should keep volume at certain level like 20 BTC. You dont need to pump just keep some BTC for DGC and buy and sell at certain levels. For ex:

Amount: 500 DGC ; Buy @2000 ; Sell @ 2050
Amount: 500 DGC ; Buy @2051 ; Sell @ 2100
Amount: 500 DGC ; Buy @2101 ; Sell @ 2150
.....

I used this schema for decreasing the average cost of my some old altcoins but it also helps to volume of that coin. Yes , there are some risks that some one can dump lots of coins. But someone should keep the volume as high as possible.

Also, there are some efforts for decentralised exchanges. For example, Mercury is one of them . Its on alpha stage and mappum -dev- doesnt want to add low volume coins but since  it can be forked , you can add DGC once its ready to use. And becoming first coins of that kind of exchanges also boost the volume -I think.


2) Merchants: I think I have different ideas for that issue. Lets accept , DGC is stuck in cryptocommunity. Its very hard to get new users and merchants from this forum. So , you should look from out of box.

You should concentrate on the brand. DIGITAL. So , you find digital community to use DGC for digital goods. I dont mean btt. Other options.

For ex:
1) Agree with some game operators. Try to accept them to use DGC in their games. Ogame, travian etc.
2) Find/Create a VPN service which only accepts DGC (or other than bitcoin) .
3) Agree with some billing payment service to use DGC. So people can use DGC for bill payments. (Or other prepaid services)
...
The list can be extended , its all upto your imagination. But you have to find a GAME CHANGER service/activity which does not exists here -btt and current crypto community.

And also , you need a very good liquidity (volume)  after one of the above service is realized.

3) Users : I believe this part will increase when 1 & 2 happens. Of course , you will need marketing.

But , I dont think you need intensive core development. However, service based development or service adoption is the key for success of DGC - if there is a chance.

I intentionally dont use , If I became ... because I wouldnt and even if I became , I quit. Its very hard to back good old days but not impossible. If you have dedication and some extra abilities to arrange some contract with people who are infamiliar to crypto but in digital world , then you have the chance. And I really hope , you can do this.

Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. What basis do you have (or proof) to make your claim?

Forget baritus. This isn't about baritus.

Talk to me. What do we do to make it right?

kelsey, would you be willing to join our IRC channel and hash this out with me personally?

I asked BCX to participate in this thread. I want everything, absolutely everything out in the open.

I completly agree with You. Our volume is rising now day by day at Bittrex and Cryptsy, we have list with 50 merchants now with many VPN services, BitBill on the way.

I want it out in the open. Post it here.

For every "baritus did XYZ" and "I don't trust baritus because XYZ".....I challenge you to a debate on our IRC channel or on this forum. I want it out in the open.

I appreciate your input and agree with you on 2 & 3.

In regard to #1 ---......

http://screencast.com/t/GBJWxUPw

We also have quite a good number of merchants. :)
You can check them here: http://wiki.digitalcoin.co/index.php/Where_to_spend_digitalcoin

We should probably sort these into categories to make it easier to read :)

I also dropped DGC after that fiasco, it was blatantly obvious what was going on. zakryze was kind enough to show a lot of us on irc some convincing blockchain proof. Coming on the heels of the Inputs "hack" it just didn't feel right.

Done. I hope You will pleased.  ;)

Would urge you to reconsider your position on DGC. Good team, good guys, making a lot of progress :)

Looks great simontower!

Do not quit. The current dev team is doing a great job, and DGC is the only alt I'm invested in. I believe the main thing that made people turn away from DGC was the price plunge from the high 40,000's, when I myself bought a lot of coins. I still have them and keep buying more whenever I can. Anyone who can't deal with that kind of thing should stay away from any market that involves risk, including traditional stock markets. I'm almost glad the price dropped as it did because that made the "get rich quick" parasites leave the community. The keyword here is persistence. I can see Digitalcoin becoming more and more relevant in the long run. Just stick to what you're doing and we'll get there eventually.

What have you guys accomplished in the past ~2 years I have been out? Cliff notes please.  :D

There were some good folks I met in irc, but I had enough drama for one summer by the time cryptoave tanked.

Mainly adoption on a number of services. A massively more secure blockchain. Client source which is friendlier to the end user. Based off the 0.9.3 BTC source with a 0.10 upgrade coming soon. (Once i've got more free time and xawksaw's finished the DGC services he's working on). We also now are not controlled by a single dev and as like whats been done here. Taken input from the wider community, those who are and are not invested in DGC. such as yourself which allows everyone a fair way to contribute towards DGC and its future without being held back like what baritus did.

Ahmed

seeing as there's a lot of attention in this thread, supposing DGC eventually grows to be on par with BTC, would anyone be open to increasing the mint rate along with user adoption?

this isn't really integral but it'd be more grease for the wheels; more people join, they get more coins, they're compelled to spend more = healthier, more active economy.

logically it's senseless as coin units are very granular but it's the thought that counts :)

I'm working on a simple blockchain based PKI system which utilises the DGC blockchain.

There is much work to do on a project like this but everything starts small and in my opinion we have plenty of time.

Your crew didn't seem to what to hash it out with me on IRC at the time, tried on several occasions, baritus though not directly involved (as far as I know) chose to stay silent on the matter even after pleading with him to rain in his lap dogs.

Is baritus still involved in this coin at all? I guess whether or not I decide to reconsider DGC depends on that.

not at all. he never will be. That is the precise reason why we decided to go the foundation route with the possibility for everyone to contribute equally.

Ahmed

What?

No.

Everyone loves your work man ... your record speaks for itself!!

what? what?

i'm saying I tried to sort it out on chat in the past, but the core group still continued their actions, so I don't see any reason not to continue mine.

Baritus wont ever be involved in DGC and its development EVER. (Atleast not while i'm around). My own personal opinion (not from the foundation or kenel) is that baritus most likely dumped the DGC himself rather than an employee. (No exchange operator is dumb enough to leave their wallet unsecured on a device which other people have access to).

now doesn't that just leave yet another with a big stash to dump anytime dgc moves forward?

I don't understand the issue here ?

Are you complaining that some people have lots of coins and might dump them if the price goes up ?

I'm completely agree with You.

You're absolutely right that when The Foundation first took over the development of the coin, we had every intention on playing nice. I'm not one to burn bridges.

As time went on, and the code that made up Digitalcoin V2 was dissected, and baritus became ever more distant, I believe the mentality changed a bit.
We're now on V3 with multi-algo and a lot of fun extras (inlcuding a large op_return data in our blockchain which once realized by the public is going to be a major positive for DGC), have been stress tested, and completely rewritten by xawksow and ahmed.

I'll thank him for two things -- 1) Digitalcoin is a great and marketable name. Kudos. 2) Handing over control of the coin to the foundation. Best thing he's done.

As for the DGC being stolen, I don't know. They were donations and his "personal fund". I'm not sure that even if he did dump them that would be considered stealing. I think it's complete bullshit and immoral if he did dump them, and something I would never do myself, but to each his own. It is what it is.

What I think most people are concerned about are the shares of the failed CryptoAve project. If those shares / DGC value were dumped instead of being returned to investors, yes, I believe that would be considered stealing.

Baritus hasn't contributed a single bit of input since we took over development. I haven't seen him around in months aside from the one or two posts on our Digitalcoin forum (which is now privatized for DGC holders only) at the beginning of the month.

So, TLDR:

Baritus is no longer involved in the development of DGC. We initially fully intended to keep him as a 'consultant' for the foundation. The entire situation has changed. We are developed now by xawksow, ahmed, and the rest of our foundation guys. There's a possibility that he dumped his personal fund/donations of DGC....if he did, shame on him, but I'm not his mother nor do I really even care if he did or not.

Not really -- our distribution is pretty spread out compared to other coins.

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dgc/#!rich

You'll be hard pressed to find that same mentality in our community anymore. I invite you to see for yourself :)

Just hopped on here for the first time this year... I'm pleasantly surprised to see that DGC still has a following. Keep at it man!

Well that is definitely good to hear. I have a lot of respect for ahmedbodi, and I have followed his work on other coins - including Myriad.

I admit I was rather livid when the baritus thing occurred and probably sold my DGC a bit too hastily. For the record I did approve of letting BCX sort the whole issue out, but it seems he is ready to call a truce as well. Having the foundation publish a statement on the matter isn't too much to ask is it?

Welcome back?  Good to see your first post is here with DGC...  :)

We are still in irc if you want to swing by.



-tb-

not at all, seeing I'm one of the ones with a large holding that does suppress the price when it goes up.

i'm not that heavily invested in DGC. I own maybe 40k and considering ive stuck with DGC since the beginning. I doubt  i'd ever dump it even if its worthless (You couldnt count the number of worthless coins i hold)

Okay, i seem to be the only person who cares about being rational and doesn't think baritus is a scammer (and yes, i lost dgc to cryptoave), SO i think that only adds to the credibility when i say he is NOT involved with DGC development. in fact I pm'd him about a week ago asking him to delete his old github and haven't gotten a reply yet. coming from probably the only person who ever defended him, i'll repeat he hasn't been involved with development whatsoever. DGC v3 is entirely new codebase implemented by Ahmed. so cool your shit bcx.

really, i'd rather the original dev of DGC be known as a poor entrepreneur, rather than an outright scammer. the DGC he solicited for his exchange project came from willing investors, not from rigging the DGC network. if you're gonna spread shit, at least spread accurate shit. also, the amount of DGC he solicited was roughly 550k total, about the same amount dumped, so i don't believe there's any more coins left to dump, as if that even matters since his holdings, along with all other DGC ever distributed, were gained legally. people just want a public figure to roast when their investment in an overhyped environment turns sour. that's all conversations about him have ever been about.

let's just forget about the guy and move on. the DGC network is clean, that is all that ever mattered and is the only thing worth discussing here.

Yea were not going to agree there. Xawksaw, samson, techbytes and kenel helped in the creation of DGC V3. Baritus in my personal opinion is an outright scammer. No one in their right minds would say he isnt. Everyone lost a shit ton of DGC in cryptoave. That money was not gained legally at all. He claimed it was for CryptoAve an exchange that would be launched for DGC which barely stayed online at all. Its a non-existant service. So it is a scam.

Also DGC was not overhyped at all. Infact the money that people gave towards the marketing of cryptoave and DGC. Which never happened. DGC was one of the most under marketed coins at a time that was critical for DGC.

Ahmed

I couldn't agree more. I know this will remain a hotly debated subject for some time to come, but the facts are far too compelling. And just way too convenient.

Hotly debated?

Well it seems the tide has changed in the 1.5+ years I have been out of touch here.  :D

cosmoo seems to be his only staunch supporter left. I will drop into irc one afternoon and check out the pulse on your project. DGC was probably the first alt outside of namecoin I ever owned.

it's not that i want to support him, just to me the facts point to him being a lousy entrepreneur, not a scammer. i've lost money to legit scams and the feeling is different here.

i acknowledge i'm a minority and probably won't change anyone's opinion, whatever, we're all entitled to one. i'd just prefer it if the progenitor of the coin we're trying to support wasn't labelled as a criminal. shitty entrepreneur honestly seems more accurate to me and doesn't carry the pure, negative impact trolls like BCX get paid to spread.

If the purpose of this thread was to start another pointless discussion about Baritus, mission accomplished.

If the purpose was to get some ideas rearning what needs done, update your websites.

Day in and day out incredible accomplishments (as many have touched on in this thread) are barely mentioned and don't even make it to the sadly static Digitalcoin and Digitalcoin Foundation websites.

The wiki is very nice thanks to SimonTower, but everything else is really out of date.

http://digitalcoin.co/services.php
http://digitalcoin.foundation/projects/
http://digitalcoin.foundation/news/

This is what people first see when they start looking into Digitalcoin, and it doesn't make for a good first impression.

Also, if you must lock down the forum, you should make it a little more clear what you're asking people to do, and you should remember that most people don't even know what irc is.

TT

Hang onto your fur.....we're going to pop into lightspeed.

All these things are currently under development, one of them will be ready shortly.

My purpose wasn't to derail the thread, I was just genuinely curious as to whether baritus was still on the development team or not. I have not even bothered to do any research into DGC until I happened across this thread and it piqued my curiosity. I don't like to keep all my eggs in one basket so it is nice to check things out.

I appreciate you giving DGC a second look. I sincerely urge everyone to do the same.

Our foundation is very open to ideas from our community. :)

Digitalcoin has a great community including some fantastic devs doing some excellent work. I'm also appreciative for the hard work Kenel is doing as president and its good to see an open and fair minded discussion opened up in this thread.

I'm another person holding a number of CAve shares as well. No idea if I'll see any return from them or not but to be honest I'm just over it and looking to move forward with DGC. Like Ahmed and Kenel have said Baritus is no longer involved and hasn't been around for quite a while. Looking forward to this new direction now with Digitalcoin and hoping it becomes the success it deserves to be in the future.

seems the community round this coin thinks if baritus isn't around all is good, baritus around all is bad..........when seriously people you're flogging a dead horse.

the core of DGC was full of rotten apples, ddos anyone in their way then anyone who said hey this community doesn't roll like that, baritus was probably the best of them.

now you guys are just backstabbing your founder and lead dev just to get another round out of this trash.

move on DGC won't amount to anything.

Good assessment. You thought this out very well when replying.

No one is backstabbing anyone.

Who is this "core full of rotten apples" ?

The foundation team has basically been around since the beginning of Digitalcoin. I'd love to know who you consider a rotten apple.

Also it's very hard to properly follow what you are saying the way you wrote it......I grade your paper a D- for lack of effort.

much higher grade then i rate your coin, or your lame PR.

let me break it down for you;

if your coin rises at any time by any significant amounts I dump it back down.

why? because attacks members of your community did (which may have cost more then the total of DGC's pathetic market cap is).

What the ever living hell are you talking about?

According to my email I just won 1.24 million in Africa. You sent me that email phishing for my bank information. It was you.

Show proof or btfo.

show you proof of what?

This DoSing that cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars.

You are too generous with a D-


-tb-

Firstly I don't need to prove anything to you.

This is not an extortion attempt, there is nothing I want from you, nor anything you can say to change it (i'm not bcx i don't need you to make funny videos for me or anything), I'm simply giving you a statement of fact into what I have been and will continue to do to DGC.

So why would I even post this here? well

a) to back up my answer to your question at the start of this thread. b) because people knowing what I am doing makes my job of doing it somewhat easier (not an easy task even with a decent holding, as its on multiple exchanges, and after said dumps I also need to buy back cheaper and there is often bargain hunters etc etc etc).

but if to you a genuinely curious, I do not know how much ddos costs me, I trade the markets irl, the downtime could have cost me more then your marketcap, could have cost me nothing or could have even saved me money (ie might have missed a bad day or so)....can't say what trades I could have or would have done a I trade live.

Doesn't really matter how much you dump or how low you dump it to, there are enough people interested in DGC to buy it back up.  You can slow down but can never stop real progress.


-tb-

now thats just wishful thinking not a statement of fact.

you'll be surprised at times how little you even need (surprises me), as overtime buyers have thinned out alot.

its not always been the case, but now, at this point, all coins are controlled completely by market forces. what gives any crypto a 'price' is simply the greater fool economics theory. take away the chance of people being able to sell to some fool for higher and you have no supporters.

You last statement is true for the majority of shitcoins out there but does not apply to DGC.


-tb-

Were you not a goldcoin bagholder? I seem to remember you basically praising it as Gods gift to altcoins a while back. Not exactly setting the world alight that one is it?

Also to be dumping DGC you must be also buying. Strange from someone who seems to not care much for Digitalcoin. On these points alone its very hard to take anything you say seriously.

defeats the point me not buying back. otherwise i'd just dump price get low, bargain hunters get cheap coins (some off me), but yes to continually suppress the market i must continually buy back.


i think its well know that i do it with several coins including goldcoin (yes I'm a large goldcoin bagholder, lol I am no goldcoin fan).

2013 called

It wants its drama back

http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/dead-horse.gif

So what you're saying is you're here to destroy DGC and prevent anything we do from ever gaining any value ?

What is this DOS you're talking about ? I'm intrigued, I've had some DOS aimed at me when on IRC before, is this the kind of thing you're talking about or are you talking about websites ?

What makes you think someone connected with DGC had anything to do with any DOS ?

So riddle me this then....

You have no proof that a bad "core" from the DGC community has lost you money trading.....you have no names of anyone to blame this on....or suspicion of anyone....you're "assuming" it was a DGC supporter.....

Considering I've been around since the beginning, I've never even heard a whisper of anyone caring enough to do that to you......

What?

It's sounds like a complete pile of horseshit to me.

I'm in agreement there. If there was a dos there would be some proof or a name or anything. We've all been dos'd on IRC. I've had sites of my own DDOS'd. Theres always proof of where it happens and occasionally who it is. Which there obviously isnt.....

So i rate kelsey's post a  F-

Ahmed

well its lucky for me then that my actions on no part require any belief or approval from you guys  :-*

It certainly is. It also reflects very badly on you for shitting on other people's hard work. Glad your happy with what your doing cause you'll only be able to keep it up so long.

Ahmed

Well thanks for making clear to me that your mentality is generally equal to:

http://i2.indiewire.com/images/uploads/i/veronicasalt.jpg

We all know how that ended don't we......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRTkCHE1sS4

kenel all your replies to me just show the skillset you claim too have (on dgc's website)...well tis lacking.

tba you'd be best to just  :-X, as any conflict we have, well its a loss for you, win win for me no matter the outcome.

WTF are you talking about. Conflict ? Winning, losing are you some kind of retard ?

 :o >:( ??? ::)

i assume kelsey's trying to impress him/herself as a market maker/manipulator, which honestly could be done with DGC in its current state.

but hey, if you wanna suppress the price down there will be lots of buyers, if you wanna pump it i'd be happy to make money. it's not exactly going to kill DGC given how we aren't an overhyped coin atm. i've been holding DGC since it was >.0001... whatever pain your hope to inflict has already been numbed bro.

Happy to oblige.

Wait a second. You got bribed in XMR not to break XMR? That's what I call proof of stake  ;D