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Title: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: check_status on August 13, 2012, 10:36:33 PM
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So the idea is to take components that are often separate on a system – processors, main memory, networking and other peripherals – and etch them all onto chips and then stack them up in a 3D array, rather than solder them onto a motherboard and wire them together with metal stripes in a 2D array. By going 3D, the wires between components can not only be shortened - cutting the time those components need to exchange signals and potentially requiring less energy to send a signal.

"Today's chips, including those containing 3D transistors, are in fact 2D chips that are still very flat structures," explained Bernie Meyerson, a vice president of IBM Research, in a statement announcing the partnership between Big Blue and 3M.

"Our scientists are aiming to develop materials that will allow us to package tremendous amounts of computing power into a new form factor – a silicon skyscraper. We believe we can advance the state-of-art in packaging, and create a new class of semiconductors that offer more speed and capabilities while they keep power usage low – key requirements for many manufacturers, especially for makers of tablets and smartphones."

The initial plan is to come up with a way to stack up as many as 100 chips into a tower of computing power. Over the long haul IBM wants to be able to bond stacks of complete wafers together, bonding hundreds of processors at a time.

The plan, says the IBM source, is to get it into production around the end of 2013.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/07/ibm_3m_3d_chip/

For now this is just secret sauce for IBM and 3M, but applied to GPU's or ASIC's could increase hashing power while keeping power consumption low.


Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: makomk on August 13, 2012, 10:52:06 PM
I get the impression that chip stacking doesn't really make sense unless you need lots of high-speed interconnectivity or a really small form factor. Bitcoin mining is an embarassingly parallel problem that doesn't require much bandwidth into and out of the individual hashing cores - some of the current FPGA designs actually use standard serial links running at standard serial speeds - so there's no real reason to use stacked dies. The main problem at the moment is powering and cooling the chips, and using stacking just makes that harder to manage.


Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: check_status on August 13, 2012, 11:10:30 PM
That's why they teamed up with 3M, to develop thermal conductive compounds.

What if they used a different medium, do you remember the solder iron sold on TV infomercials, battery operated, instant heat, melts solder?
The tip was made out of a novel type of silicon that multiplies temperature. If you put that between the layers of the chips and apply cold temps, which would be multiplied by 10, you could get an effective thermoregulator.


Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on August 13, 2012, 11:13:46 PM
What if they used a different medium, do you remember the solder iron sold on TV infomercials, battery operated, instant heat, melts solder?
The tip was made out of a novel type of silicon that multiplies temperature. If you put that between the layers of the chips and apply cold temps, which would be multiplied by 10, you could get an effective thermoregulator.

Law of conservation of energy says "NO".  temp is merely a measure of thermal energy.  You can't multiply energy.  That would imply you created energy from nothing.


Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: check_status on August 14, 2012, 12:25:54 AM
What if they used a different medium, do you remember the solder iron sold on TV infomercials, battery operated, instant heat, melts solder?
The tip was made out of a novel type of silicon that multiplies temperature. If you put that between the layers of the chips and apply cold temps, which would be multiplied by 10, you could get an effective thermoregulator.

Law of conservation of energy says "NO".  temp is merely a measure of thermal energy.  You can't multiply energy.  That would imply you created energy from nothing.
To calculate your thermal dynamic opinion, we would need to define the boundry of the closed system, have an advanced scientific calculator, and possess electron microscope data about the molecular structure and it's effects in stratum. (I don't think your clamp meter will be useful.)

Aluminium is an energy multiplier, they don't use it in spaceships because of this.


Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: rjk on August 14, 2012, 12:40:45 AM
"Multiplier" implies an output greater than the sum of the inputs, which is impossible. Perhaps it is just a misnomer.


Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: BkkCoins on August 14, 2012, 01:28:24 AM
IIRC The chip used for the Raspberry PI was built using a similar idea. It doesn't sound as advanced but generally similar. Broadcom mounted the dies for the GPU and RAM on top of the CPU in the same SoC package.



Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: niko on August 14, 2012, 01:44:36 AM
IBM Reaearch in recent years serves mostly PR function. A typical example of science hype is their "centipede" memory vaporware.
Stacking wafers certainly increases packaging density compared to PCBs. Their press release misleads readers that this somehow menas lower power, whereas in reality all it means is more cooling problems, and thereby the need for lower power. So, they word the problem in a positive way.
Stacking is not a new idea. Lots of research and real devices exist. Microfluidic cooling - evaporative or even with liquid metal alloys (eGaIn) - is not a new idea, lots of published research on that topic.
IBM simply announced in a bombastic tone that they will try and build upon this. Chances are, nothing will come out of it except for some stock price manipulation. Once in a while something real actually comes out of it, but in this case it wouldn't be anything revolutionary.


Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: check_status on August 14, 2012, 01:59:28 AM
"Multiplier" implies an output greater than the sum of the inputs, which is impossible. Perhaps it is just a misnomer.
Nope, not a misnomer. Stellar radiation, upon striking aluminium, radiates 2-3x more than input. Nasa had an engine designed, for satellites and interplanetary observatories, that used a radiation multiplier propulsion engine (which produced 8x output), through stages I believe.


Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: BkkCoins on August 14, 2012, 02:41:18 AM
"Multiplier" implies an output greater than the sum of the inputs, which is impossible. Perhaps it is just a misnomer.
Nope, not a misnomer. Stellar radiation, upon striking aluminium, radiates 2-3x more than input. Nasa had an engine designed, for satellites and interplanetary observatories, that used a radiation multiplier propulsion engine (which produced 8x output), through stages I believe.
That's interesting. But what happens to the aluminium? Does it degrade over time as I expect the energy must come somewhere, ie. the chemical bonds or something.


Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: AmpEater on August 14, 2012, 03:01:26 AM
"Multiplier" implies an output greater than the sum of the inputs, which is impossible. Perhaps it is just a misnomer.
Nope, not a misnomer. Stellar radiation, upon striking aluminium, radiates 2-3x more than input. Nasa had an engine designed, for satellites and interplanetary observatories, that used a radiation multiplier propulsion engine (which produced 8x output), through stages I believe.
That's interesting. But what happens to the aluminium? Does it degrade over time as I expect the energy must come somewhere, ie. the chemical bonds or something.

It's not interesting, it's false.


Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: Littleshop on August 14, 2012, 03:18:34 AM
"Multiplier" implies an output greater than the sum of the inputs, which is impossible. Perhaps it is just a misnomer.
Nope, not a misnomer. Stellar radiation, upon striking aluminium, radiates 2-3x more than input. Nasa had an engine designed, for satellites and interplanetary observatories, that used a radiation multiplier propulsion engine (which produced 8x output), through stages I believe.

Ha.  Link please.  Maybe, just maybe, you were reading about solar sails and got most of the details wrong. 


Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: tvbcof on August 14, 2012, 03:47:12 AM
"Multiplier" implies an output greater than the sum of the inputs, which is impossible. Perhaps it is just a misnomer.
Nope, not a misnomer. Stellar radiation, upon striking aluminium, radiates 2-3x more than input. Nasa had an engine designed, for satellites and interplanetary observatories, that used a radiation multiplier propulsion engine (which produced 8x output), through stages I believe.
That's interesting. But what happens to the aluminium? Does it degrade over time as I expect the energy must come somewhere, ie. the chemical bonds or something.

It's not interesting, it's false.


"Oh, ye seekers after perpetual motion, how many vain chimeras have you pursued? Go and take your place with the alchemists."

  - Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519)



Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: rjk on August 14, 2012, 03:47:34 AM
Yeah, it sounds like you might be misinterpreting something about an ion thruster maybe. Those weren't efficient enough to use, and they definitely required energy to use.


Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: AmpEater on August 14, 2012, 03:43:52 PM
"Oh, ye seekers after perpetual motion, how many vain chimeras have you pursued? Go and take your place with the alchemists."

  - Leonardo da Vinci (1452-1519)

What a fantastic quote.  

"Aluminium is an energy multiplier, they don't use it in spaceships because of this." - What the actual fuck man? The space shuttle was largely made of aluminum.

"When the Space Shuttle was first proposed in the late 1960s, planners from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) wanted a vehicle that would be much larger than any that had flown in space before. But the amount of high-temperature metal required to protect a large vehicle would have been very heavy and this would have affected vehicle performance. Designers chose to use conventional aluminum for the main body and to protect it with a layer of heat resistant material." - http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Evolution_of_Technology/TPS/Tech41.htm

P.S.

check_status - I hate you.  Dirtying the name of a legitimate scientific entity to sell your bullshit notions. "It's true because NASA!"  It's a lie, you didn't read that somewhere trustworthy, you made it up, or you blindly parroted something another idiot made up.  And then you construct a sentence that conveys some sort of expertise in the field to convince laypersons that you're a reputable source.  Fuck.


Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: wabber on August 14, 2012, 04:31:01 PM
"Multiplier" implies an output greater than the sum of the inputs, which is impossible. Perhaps it is just a misnomer.
Nope, not a misnomer. Stellar radiation, upon striking aluminium, radiates 2-3x more than input. Nasa had an engine designed, for satellites and interplanetary observatories, that used a radiation multiplier propulsion engine (which produced 8x output), through stages I believe.

2-3x the input you say? So we can just take a small piece of aluminium heat it up with a lighter, use that piece of aluminium to heat up 3 new pieces, use these three pieces to heat up 9 pieces of aluminum etc
Then we could have a room full of very hot aluminum and use it to boil water. The steam could then be used to generate electricity. Awesome a simple lighter and some aluminium could replace a nuclear power plant.

But there are more ways to get free energy, just check out youtube.


Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: unclemantis on August 14, 2012, 08:49:40 PM
This is news is not new. I heard about Intel doing something like this a few years back.

Things are about to get really interesting really fast!


Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: kjj on August 14, 2012, 10:45:14 PM
IIRC The chip used for the Raspberry PI was built using a similar idea. It doesn't sound as advanced but generally similar. Broadcom mounted the dies for the GPU and RAM on top of the CPU in the same SoC package.

This is POP packaging.  Part on Part.  It takes two normal chips, fully encased as usual, and stacks them, usually using something like BGA.  They are different dies, built at different times, and probably in different fabs, then assembled later.

3D chips are different.  A typical flat chip is made up of dozens of layers of depositation and etching.  You start with a bare wafer, and etch part of it away, then deposit a thin layer on top of that, then etch part of that away, then deposit another layer, and etch, etc, etc.  You end up with a flat 2D structure of 3D objects, made all at once.

A real 3D chip has layers of groups of layers, creating a 3D structure of 3D objects.

Right now, we have problems moving heat out of the chips we have, and not so much problems with a lack of transistors available on a die.  But that's how progress works, the best we can do is the product of a whole pile of limitations, and people are busy fighting back all of them.  In time, 3D chips will become just "chips", just like color TVs all became just "TVs".


Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: check_status on August 15, 2012, 03:31:04 AM
@AmpEater  - Maybe you and I should spend a little more time researching our statements before posting and we can limit the abuse of techtrolls.

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In interplanetary space, it is believed that thin aluminum shielding would have a negative net effect.

Spacecraft can be constructed out of hydrogen-rich plastics, rather than aluminum. Unfortunately, "Some 'galactic cosmic rays are so energetic that no reasonable amount of shielding can stop them,' cautions Frank Cucinotta, NASA's Chief Radiation Health Officer. 'All materials have this problem, including polyethylene.'"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_threat_from_cosmic_rays

It was a show on PBS, possibly Nova, involving space travel. It's not possible I confused it for solar sails, though it is possible, I would concede propulsion for long term electrical generation. I still claim multiplication via GCR interacting with aluminum.

There was a motor, a rotor/stator design built with permanent magnets, which doesn't produce heat while spinning, but produces cold instead. It was developed by a scientist from JPL and he was awarded a patent solely because of the novel effect it produced.

I only brought it up as speculation for cooling the 3D CPU stack, maybe a bit tongue in cheek, but now I'm defending anomolous physics claims.  :o

In Thermal Decay, all heat moves towards cold, so being able to cool the medium between the chips would be an advantage in removing excess heat.


Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: tvbcof on August 15, 2012, 03:35:54 AM
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I only brought it up as speculation for cooling the 3D CPU stack, maybe a bit tongue in cheek, but now I'm defending anomolous physics claims.  :o

...somewhat unconvincingly.



Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: check_status on August 15, 2012, 03:44:07 AM
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I only brought it up as speculation for cooling the 3D CPU stack, maybe a bit tongue in cheek, but now I'm defending anomolous physics claims.  :o

...somewhat unconvincingly.


What keeps an electron in it's orbit around a proton? What prevents it's orbit from decaying or the electron flying off?


Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: tvbcof on August 15, 2012, 04:14:26 AM
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I only brought it up as speculation for cooling the 3D CPU stack, maybe a bit tongue in cheek, but now I'm defending anomolous physics claims.  :o

...somewhat unconvincingly.

What keeps an electron in it's orbit around a proton? What prevents it's orbit from decaying or the electron flying off?

Osmosis?



Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: kjj on August 15, 2012, 04:23:38 AM
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I only brought it up as speculation for cooling the 3D CPU stack, maybe a bit tongue in cheek, but now I'm defending anomolous physics claims.  :o

...somewhat unconvincingly.
What keeps an electron in it's orbit around a proton? What prevents it's orbit from decaying or the electron flying off?

Erm.  These questions have been answered.  Like 50 years ago.

In order, they are the electric force, the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (or the Pauli Exclusion Principle, if you prefer a different german) and the electric force.

Classical mechanics lost.  I was unhappy about it too, just like I imagine you are going to be some day.  But unless Puthoff and company can some up with a testable prediction that goes in favor of SED, the winner is going to remain QED.


Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: check_status on August 15, 2012, 04:26:53 AM
@kjj -  ;D

It's probable the extra energy comes from Zero Point Energy.

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Energy in space was battering the atoms and effecting (the electrons orbital shifts) their movements
According to Robert S. Mulliken in noting anomolies in the Red Shift

Max Plank, Albert Einstein, Otto Stern, Walther Nernst recognized that this pervasive (Zero Point) energy was a universal phenomena and intrinsic to space.

Werner Heisenberg understood that Planck's Constant was actually the measurement of the uncertainty in position of subatomic particles. By 1962, it was realized that this uncertainty of position was caused by the battering from "the Zero Point Energy".

In 1987, Hal Puthoff showed that electrons stayed in their orbits and did not go either spinning out or spinning in due to expended energy precisely because of the energy they received from the Zero Point Energy.

Zero Point Energy is 10^95 ergs/cm^3
It has Permattivity, Evo (Absolute dielectric constant); Permiability, Uva (absolute magnetic constant); Intrinsic impedance, Z = {Evo/Uva}^1/3


Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: mp420 on August 15, 2012, 05:17:27 AM
The people who suggest that "zero point energy" or somesuch might somehow be harvested should be very very afraid. Since that implies we are living in a false vacuum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_vacuum).


Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: Foxpup on August 15, 2012, 08:29:29 AM
@AmpEater  - Maybe you and I should spend a little more time researching our statements before posting and we can limit the abuse of techtrolls.

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In interplanetary space, it is believed that thin aluminum shielding would have a negative net effect.

Spacecraft can be constructed out of hydrogen-rich plastics, rather than aluminum. Unfortunately, "Some 'galactic cosmic rays are so energetic that no reasonable amount of shielding can stop them,' cautions Frank Cucinotta, NASA's Chief Radiation Health Officer. 'All materials have this problem, including polyethylene.'"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_threat_from_cosmic_rays

It was a show on PBS, possibly Nova, involving space travel. It's not possible I confused it for solar sails, though it is possible, I would concede propulsion for long term electrical generation. I still claim multiplication via GCR interacting with aluminum.
Nope. The "net negative effect" you quoted refers to the biological effects of radiation, rather than the amount of physical energy involved. This occurs due to radiation changing into a different, more harmful type of radiation, while retaining the same energy. There is no radiation or any other form of energy created out of nothing, and the process is completely useless for cooling.

There was a motor, a rotor/stator design built with permanent magnets, which doesn't produce heat while spinning, but produces cold instead. It was developed by a scientist from JPL and he was awarded a patent solely because of the novel effect it produced.
I have a motor like that in my house. It's called a refrigerator. Most if not all refrigerator designers are awarded patents for their inventions; that only means the design itself is novel, not the underlying physics. Although many different types of refrigerator exist, they all work by moving heat from where it's not wanted to somewhere where it's easier to manage. This process always requires energy and always results in a net gain of heat. It is impossible to make heat simply disappear.

I only brought it up as speculation for cooling the 3D CPU stack, maybe a bit tongue in cheek, but now I'm defending anomolous physics claims.  :o
You're not defending anomalous physics claims, you're taking ordinary physics and claiming it to be anomalous when it isn't.


Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: mistfpga on August 15, 2012, 08:36:59 AM
The people who suggest that "zero point energy" or somesuch might somehow be harvested should be very very afraid. Since that implies we are living in a false vacuum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_vacuum).

I agree with this, but I would go further, I would say anyone who thinks we can get 'free' enegry from zero point is a retard. - there is no such thing as 'free' enegry. ffs.

Death and Taxes has already posed in this thread why.

the rest of this post isnt aimed at you mp420, i like you. :)

and anyone who actually cares what a false vaccum is, or why the laws of enegry conservation mean that we cannot get 'free' enegy from the sea of quanta should read "the book of nothing" by john d barrow. isbn 0-099-28845-1 (it also expains why we do not use roman numerals anymore...)

I would love Quantum Electro Dynamics (QED, as outlined by Feymann in QED - the Strange Theory of Light and Matter) to be right [http://www.amazon.co.uk/QED-Strange-Theory-Penguin-Science/dp/0140125051], I think we need QCD - Quantum ChromoDymanics - yeah research this yourselves)

so the weak nuclear force holds electrons in place, the strong nuclear force binds protons and neutrons - and electromaginitism accounts for _everything_ else (except gravity) - read a book.

To get this thread back on track, what about the gallium arsenide 3d chips? real 3d chips as apposed to stacking. now they need to make the crystals big enough...  

you should use google to research gallium arsenide.

have fun.

steve


Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: Carlton Banks on August 15, 2012, 08:48:28 AM
Physics trolling? Only on this forum (chuckle)

[patientlyAwaitingTrollingDenialFromTroll]


Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: kjj on August 15, 2012, 12:06:15 PM
@kjj -  ;D

It's probable the extra energy comes from Zero Point Energy.

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Energy in space was battering the atoms and effecting (the electrons orbital shifts) their movements
According to Robert S. Mulliken in noting anomolies in the Red Shift

Max Plank, Albert Einstein, Otto Stern, Walther Nernst recognized that this pervasive (Zero Point) energy was a universal phenomena and intrinsic to space.

Werner Heisenberg understood that Planck's Constant was actually the measurement of the uncertainty in position of subatomic particles. By 1962, it was realized that this uncertainty of position was caused by the battering from "the Zero Point Energy".

In 1987, Hal Puthoff showed that electrons stayed in their orbits and did not go either spinning out or spinning in due to expended energy precisely because of the energy they received from the Zero Point Energy.

Zero Point Energy is 10^95 ergs/cm^3
It has Permattivity, Evo (Absolute dielectric constant); Permiability, Uva (absolute magnetic constant); Intrinsic impedance, Z = {Evo/Uva}^1/3

Nope.  Electrons are held in orbit by exchanging photons with the nucleus.  There is no mystery about it.  The photons involved are not part of the zero point field, they are (by definition) the excess photons above and beyond zero point levels.  QED calculations on this match experimental data to as many decimal places as we are capable of calculating and measuring, which is quite a few.

I'm about as sympathetic a person as you'll ever find towards alternate physics and free energy investigation.  But the current physics is not the result of a conspiracy or a mistake.  It is correct in every way that we know how to look at it, and has resisted our every attempt to poke holes in it.  So far.


Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: physicist on August 15, 2012, 01:28:28 PM
Hey check_status,

Just so you know, here is what your scientific analysis sounds like to me:

Everyone knows that a cat when thrown will always land on its feet.  Also, buttered toast always seems to unfortunately land with the buttery,  yummy side down on the expensive, new carpet.  Children have been performing both of these experiments successfully since the invention of breakfast and sling shots.

Therefore we can build an anti-gravity device called an astro-tabby.

Here’s how:

Buy some new carpet engineered by 3M.  Heck, they have made fine products since back in the day when they were just  “Ye Olde 2M Shoppe”.   Pre-position the micro-lion (cat) with its claw side down on the rug.  Securely attach aforementioned toast BUTTERY SIDE UP to the top of the cat.  This arrangement constitutes a pluralism of bonded inverted buttery toasticles.  Because of the competing and balanced repulsive forces the feline will immediately levitate and scoot about the room howling - not knowing whether to land on its feet or stain the carpet.
To land the astro-tabby, we utilize carefully pre-positioned jettison firecrackers placed between kitty and the buttery,  yummy  toasticles.   A quick, remote wireless DHCP (Detonating Howling Cat Protocol) signal will free the cat from the toast and both will return to their normal ground states.

No animals were harmed in the writing of this post.


Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: check_status on August 16, 2012, 11:35:09 AM
Quote from: foxpup
I have a motor like that in my house. It's called a refrigerator. Most if not all refrigerator designers are awarded patents for their inventions; that only means the design itself is novel, not the underlying physics. Although many different types of refrigerator exist, they all work by moving heat from where it's not wanted to somewhere where it's easier to manage. This process always requires energy and always results in a net gain of heat. It is impossible to make heat simply disappear.
It's deffinately not a compressor in the refrigerator sense. It is a copper coiled stator with a permanent magnet rotor encased in an aluminium jacket. I'm not saying it's motive power is a result of ZPE, but it's cooling effect may be, because ZPE interacts with electromagnetism. The dynamo is AC, which reacts with the aluminum jacket and creates more magnetic eddy currents with in the aluminum that may develop some type of resonance, from the rotations, resulting in the novel cooling effect.
(I did at one time have a copy of the patent, but I may have wiped the drive where it was stored. I'll post it when I reconstruct the steps in which I discovered it.)

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Quantum mechanics predicts the existence of what are usually called ''zero-point'' energies for the strong, the weak and the electromagnetic interactions, where ''zero-point'' refers to the energy of the system at temperature T=0, or the lowest quantized energy level of a quantum mechanical system.

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From this line of reasoning, quantum physics predicts that all of space must be filled with electromagnetic zero-point fluctuations (also called the zero-point field) creating a universal sea of zero-point energy.
...the zero-point energy density would be 110 orders of magnitude greater than the radiant energy at the center of the Sun.
http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html

According to work by Christian Beck and Michael Mackey, dark energy is nothing other than zero-point energy, dark energy is the low frequency gravitationally active component of zero-point energy.

[speculation]Maybe, using a novel specific arrangement of some type of crystaline silicon compound, it would be possible to utilize the atoms interactions with the Zero Point Field, causing a resonance in it's thermal conductivity.[/speculation]

Why do computer geeks always resort to cats?

@Physicist
Can't you just interact with the Zero Point Field by rubbing the cat vigorously, thereby generating a static electrical field, into which you direct millimeter microwave frequencies, generating a Hutchison Effect?


Title: Re: Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking
Post by: rjk on August 16, 2012, 02:06:21 PM
OK now I'm pretty sure you're just listing off buzzwords without understanding a single one of them. ::)