Chip designs that could impact Bitcoin: 3D stacking

[check_status]

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I only brought it up as speculation for cooling the 3D CPU stack, maybe a bit tongue in cheek, but now I'm defending anomolous physics claims.  

...somewhat unconvincingly.

What keeps an electron in it's orbit around a proton? What prevents it's orbit from decaying or the electron flying off?

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I only brought it up as speculation for cooling the 3D CPU stack, maybe a bit tongue in cheek, but now I'm defending anomolous physics claims.  

...somewhat unconvincingly.

What keeps an electron in it's orbit around a proton? What prevents it's orbit from decaying or the electron flying off?

Osmosis?

[kjj]

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I only brought it up as speculation for cooling the 3D CPU stack, maybe a bit tongue in cheek, but now I'm defending anomolous physics claims.  

...somewhat unconvincingly.

What keeps an electron in it's orbit around a proton? What prevents it's orbit from decaying or the electron flying off?

Erm.  These questions have been answered.  Like 50 years ago.

In order, they are the electric force, the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (or the Pauli Exclusion Principle, if you prefer a different german) and the electric force.

Classical mechanics lost.  I was unhappy about it too, just like I imagine you are going to be some day.  But unless Puthoff and company can some up with a testable prediction that goes in favor of SED, the winner is going to remain QED.

[check_status]

@kjj - 

It's probable the extra energy comes from Zero Point Energy.

Energy in space was battering the atoms and effecting (the electrons orbital shifts) their movements

According to Robert S. Mulliken in noting anomolies in the Red Shift

Max Plank, Albert Einstein, Otto Stern, Walther Nernst recognized that this pervasive (Zero Point) energy was a universal phenomena and intrinsic to space.

Werner Heisenberg understood that Planck's Constant was actually the measurement of the uncertainty in position of subatomic particles. By 1962, it was realized that this uncertainty of position was caused by the battering from "the Zero Point Energy".

In 1987, Hal Puthoff showed that electrons stayed in their orbits and did not go either spinning out or spinning in due to expended energy precisely because of the energy they received from the Zero Point Energy.

Zero Point Energy is 10^95 ergs/cm^3
It has Permattivity, Evo (Absolute dielectric constant); Permiability, Uva (absolute magnetic constant); Intrinsic impedance, Z = {Evo/Uva}^1/3

[mp420]

The people who suggest that "zero point energy" or somesuch might somehow be harvested should be very very afraid. Since that implies we are living in a false vacuum.

[Foxpup]

@AmpEater  - Maybe you and I should spend a little more time researching our statements before posting and we can limit the abuse of techtrolls.

In interplanetary space, it is believed that thin aluminum shielding would have a negative net effect.

Spacecraft can be constructed out of hydrogen-rich plastics, rather than aluminum. Unfortunately, "Some 'galactic cosmic rays are so energetic that no reasonable amount of shielding can stop them,' cautions Frank Cucinotta, NASA's Chief Radiation Health Officer. 'All materials have this problem, including polyethylene.'"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_threat_from_cosmic_rays

It was a show on PBS, possibly Nova, involving space travel. It's not possible I confused it for solar sails, though it is possible, I would concede propulsion for long term electrical generation. I still claim multiplication via GCR interacting with aluminum.

Nope. The "net negative effect" you quoted refers to the biological effects of radiation, rather than the amount of physical energy involved. This occurs due to radiation changing into a different, more harmful type of radiation, while retaining the same energy. There is no radiation or any other form of energy created out of nothing, and the process is completely useless for cooling.

There was a motor, a rotor/stator design built with permanent magnets, which doesn't produce heat while spinning, but produces cold instead. It was developed by a scientist from JPL and he was awarded a patent solely because of the novel effect it produced.

I have a motor like that in my house. It's called a refrigerator. Most if not all refrigerator designers are awarded patents for their inventions; that only means the design itself is novel, not the underlying physics. Although many different types of refrigerator exist, they all work by moving heat from where it's not wanted to somewhere where it's easier to manage. This process always requires energy and always results in a net gain of heat. It is impossible to make heat simply disappear.

I only brought it up as speculation for cooling the 3D CPU stack, maybe a bit tongue in cheek, but now I'm defending anomolous physics claims. 

You're not defending anomalous physics claims, you're taking ordinary physics and claiming it to be anomalous when it isn't.

[mistfpga]

The people who suggest that "zero point energy" or somesuch might somehow be harvested should be very very afraid. Since that implies we are living in a false vacuum.

I agree with this, but I would go further, I would say anyone who thinks we can get 'free' enegry from zero point is a retard. - there is no such thing as 'free' enegry. ffs.

Death and Taxes has already posed in this thread why.

the rest of this post isnt aimed at you mp420, i like you.

and anyone who actually cares what a false vaccum is, or why the laws of enegry conservation mean that we cannot get 'free' enegy from the sea of quanta should read "the book of nothing" by john d barrow. isbn 0-099-28845-1 (it also expains why we do not use roman numerals anymore...)

I would love Quantum Electro Dynamics (QED, as outlined by Feymann in QED - the Strange Theory of Light and Matter) to be right [http://www.amazon.co.uk/QED-Strange-Theory-Penguin-Science/dp/0140125051], I think we need QCD - Quantum ChromoDymanics - yeah research this yourselves)

so the weak nuclear force holds electrons in place, the strong nuclear force binds protons and neutrons - and electromaginitism accounts for _everything_ else (except gravity) - read a book.

To get this thread back on track, what about the gallium arsenide 3d chips? real 3d chips as apposed to stacking. now they need to make the crystals big enough...  

you should use google to research gallium arsenide.

have fun.

steve

[Carlton Banks]

Physics trolling? Only on this forum (chuckle)

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[kjj]

@kjj - 

It's probable the extra energy comes from Zero Point Energy.

Energy in space was battering the atoms and effecting (the electrons orbital shifts) their movements

According to Robert S. Mulliken in noting anomolies in the Red Shift

Max Plank, Albert Einstein, Otto Stern, Walther Nernst recognized that this pervasive (Zero Point) energy was a universal phenomena and intrinsic to space.

Werner Heisenberg understood that Planck's Constant was actually the measurement of the uncertainty in position of subatomic particles. By 1962, it was realized that this uncertainty of position was caused by the battering from "the Zero Point Energy".

In 1987, Hal Puthoff showed that electrons stayed in their orbits and did not go either spinning out or spinning in due to expended energy precisely because of the energy they received from the Zero Point Energy.

Zero Point Energy is 10^95 ergs/cm^3
It has Permattivity, Evo (Absolute dielectric constant); Permiability, Uva (absolute magnetic constant); Intrinsic impedance, Z = {Evo/Uva}^1/3

Nope.  Electrons are held in orbit by exchanging photons with the nucleus.  There is no mystery about it.  The photons involved are not part of the zero point field, they are (by definition) the excess photons above and beyond zero point levels.  QED calculations on this match experimental data to as many decimal places as we are capable of calculating and measuring, which is quite a few.

I'm about as sympathetic a person as you'll ever find towards alternate physics and free energy investigation.  But the current physics is not the result of a conspiracy or a mistake.  It is correct in every way that we know how to look at it, and has resisted our every attempt to poke holes in it.  So far.

[physicist]

Hey check_status,

Just so you know, here is what your scientific analysis sounds like to me:

Everyone knows that a cat when thrown will always land on its feet.  Also, buttered toast always seems to unfortunately land with the buttery,  yummy side down on the expensive, new carpet.  Children have been performing both of these experiments successfully since the invention of breakfast and sling shots.

Therefore we can build an anti-gravity device called an astro-tabby.

Here’s how:

Buy some new carpet engineered by 3M.  Heck, they have made fine products since back in the day when they were just  “Ye Olde 2M Shoppe”.   Pre-position the micro-lion (cat) with its claw side down on the rug.  Securely attach aforementioned toast BUTTERY SIDE UP to the top of the cat.  This arrangement constitutes a pluralism of bonded inverted buttery toasticles.  Because of the competing and balanced repulsive forces the feline will immediately levitate and scoot about the room howling - not knowing whether to land on its feet or stain the carpet.
To land the astro-tabby, we utilize carefully pre-positioned jettison firecrackers placed between kitty and the buttery,  yummy  toasticles.   A quick, remote wireless DHCP (Detonating Howling Cat Protocol) signal will free the cat from the toast and both will return to their normal ground states.

No animals were harmed in the writing of this post.

[check_status]

I have a motor like that in my house. It's called a refrigerator. Most if not all refrigerator designers are awarded patents for their inventions; that only means the design itself is novel, not the underlying physics. Although many different types of refrigerator exist, they all work by moving heat from where it's not wanted to somewhere where it's easier to manage. This process always requires energy and always results in a net gain of heat. It is impossible to make heat simply disappear.

It's deffinately not a compressor in the refrigerator sense. It is a copper coiled stator with a permanent magnet rotor encased in an aluminium jacket. I'm not saying it's motive power is a result of ZPE, but it's cooling effect may be, because ZPE interacts with electromagnetism. The dynamo is AC, which reacts with the aluminum jacket and creates more magnetic eddy currents with in the aluminum that may develop some type of resonance, from the rotations, resulting in the novel cooling effect.
(I did at one time have a copy of the patent, but I may have wiped the drive where it was stored. I'll post it when I reconstruct the steps in which I discovered it.)

Quantum mechanics predicts the existence of what are usually called ''zero-point'' energies for the strong, the weak and the electromagnetic interactions, where ''zero-point'' refers to the energy of the system at temperature T=0, or the lowest quantized energy level of a quantum mechanical system.

From this line of reasoning, quantum physics predicts that all of space must be filled with electromagnetic zero-point fluctuations (also called the zero-point field) creating a universal sea of zero-point energy.
...the zero-point energy density would be 110 orders of magnitude greater than the radiant energy at the center of the Sun.

http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html

According to work by Christian Beck and Michael Mackey, dark energy is nothing other than zero-point energy, dark energy is the low frequency gravitationally active component of zero-point energy.

[speculation]Maybe, using a novel specific arrangement of some type of crystaline silicon compound, it would be possible to utilize the atoms interactions with the Zero Point Field, causing a resonance in it's thermal conductivity.[/speculation]

Why do computer geeks always resort to cats?

@Physicist
Can't you just interact with the Zero Point Field by rubbing the cat vigorously, thereby generating a static electrical field, into which you direct millimeter microwave frequencies, generating a Hutchison Effect?

[rjk]

OK now I'm pretty sure you're just listing off buzzwords without understanding a single one of them.