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Title: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: JPage on March 31, 2015, 02:10:21 PM
C'mon guys - this is just crazy.  The poor guy went to JAIL yesterday.  He has done so much for the community.  His crime was TINY!  

This is all we managed to scrape up for him?  (.6 BTC)  What!?
https://blockchain.info/address/1NEgShr962NMHXet3WTVzwuW2189JRrP93  (https://blockchain.info/address/1NEgShr962NMHXet3WTVzwuW2189JRrP93)

C'mon you cheap bastards, give the guy a few bucks.  

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQkJHpvkMuhmBtPwQLOMOHMdt2gFSDZtsqWlZK2k7onom5XaO5b

I challenge you, no, I demand you pick up your damn android and kick down a few bucks.  Just to make his first day feel a little better like someone actually cares.  I am sleeping in nice sheets tonight - he is sleeping with four roommates on canvas.  To answer this challenge, please send .111 bitcoin to 1NEgShr962NMHXet3WTVzwuW2189JRrP93 so we can see who agrees.



Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: MCHouston on March 31, 2015, 02:13:01 PM
Two questions.  Who is that?  Why did he go to jail?


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: tokeweed on March 31, 2015, 02:15:30 PM
Two questions.  Who is that?  Why did he go to jail?

read..

http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoins-first-felon-charlie-shrem-begins-2-year-sentence/


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: JPage on March 31, 2015, 02:16:00 PM
Two questions.  Who is that?  Why did he go to jail?
What are you kidding?  It is Charlie Schrem.  Definitely not a pedo.  He sold bitcoin to people who were supplying bitcoin to Silk Road.  It is the smallest crime imaginable after cross the road without permission.


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: bigbitmine on March 31, 2015, 02:16:23 PM
C'mon guys - this is just crazy.  The poor guy went to JAIL yesterday.  He has done so much for the community.  His crime was TINY!  

This is all we managed to scrape up for him?  (.6 BTC)  What!?
https://blockchain.info/address/1NEgShr962NMHXet3WTVzwuW2189JRrP93  (https://blockchain.info/address/1NEgShr962NMHXet3WTVzwuW2189JRrP93)

C'mon you cheap bastards, give the guy a few bucks.  

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQkJHpvkMuhmBtPwQLOMOHMdt2gFSDZtsqWlZK2k7onom5XaO5b

I challenge you, no, I demand you pick up your damn android and kick down a few bucks.  Just to make his first day feel a little better like someone actually cares.  I am sleeping in nice sheets tonight - he is sleeping with four roommates on canvas.  To answer this challenge, please send .111 bitcoin to 1NEgShr962NMHXet3WTVzwuW2189JRrP93 so we can see who agrees.



You DEMAND???  Go fuck yourself!


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: tokeweed on March 31, 2015, 02:16:42 PM
Wasn't he a pedo or something like that?

and I doubt he is sleeping on canvas he is able to tweet from jail, pretty sure it's low security.

Nah.  All he had were a couple of jailbait pics in his laptop.


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: JPage on March 31, 2015, 02:16:51 PM
Wasn't he a pedo or something like that?

and I doubt he is sleeping on canvas he is able to tweet from jail, pretty sure it's low security.
low security yeah, 'tweet' - I am not sure about that.


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: tokeweed on March 31, 2015, 02:17:48 PM
C'mon guys - this is just crazy.  The poor guy went to JAIL yesterday.  He has done so much for the community.  His crime was TINY!  

This is all we managed to scrape up for him?  (.6 BTC)  What!?
https://blockchain.info/address/1NEgShr962NMHXet3WTVzwuW2189JRrP93  (https://blockchain.info/address/1NEgShr962NMHXet3WTVzwuW2189JRrP93)

C'mon you cheap bastards, give the guy a few bucks.  

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQkJHpvkMuhmBtPwQLOMOHMdt2gFSDZtsqWlZK2k7onom5XaO5b

I challenge you, no, I demand you pick up your damn android and kick down a few bucks.  Just to make his first day feel a little better like someone actually cares.  I am sleeping in nice sheets tonight - he is sleeping with four roommates on canvas.  To answer this challenge, please send .111 bitcoin to 1NEgShr962NMHXet3WTVzwuW2189JRrP93 so we can see who agrees.



Who's wallet is this?  Yours??


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: JPage on March 31, 2015, 02:20:32 PM
C'mon guys - this is just crazy.  The poor guy went to JAIL yesterday.  He has done so much for the community.  His crime was TINY!  

This is all we managed to scrape up for him?  (.6 BTC)  What!?
https://blockchain.info/address/1NEgShr962NMHXet3WTVzwuW2189JRrP93  (https://blockchain.info/address/1NEgShr962NMHXet3WTVzwuW2189JRrP93)

C'mon you cheap bastards, give the guy a few bucks.  

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQkJHpvkMuhmBtPwQLOMOHMdt2gFSDZtsqWlZK2k7onom5XaO5b

I challenge you, no, I demand you pick up your damn android and kick down a few bucks.  Just to make his first day feel a little better like someone actually cares.  I am sleeping in nice sheets tonight - he is sleeping with four roommates on canvas.  To answer this challenge, please send .111 bitcoin to 1NEgShr962NMHXet3WTVzwuW2189JRrP93 so we can see who agrees.



Who's wallet is this?  Yours??

Charlie's wallet.  Read here: http://charlieshrem.com/so-im-going-to-prison/  (http://charlieshrem.com/so-im-going-to-prison/)


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: JPage on March 31, 2015, 02:23:24 PM
You DEMAND???  Go fuck yourself!
'Demand' - its a French word.  It means 'ask'.  It if far more polite than you could imagine.  I am in France.  I mix English 'demand' and French 'demand' sometimes.  No big deal.  Now go send a buck.  Jesus.


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: tspacepilot on March 31, 2015, 02:24:47 PM
Two questions.  Who is that?  Why did he go to jail?
What are you kidding?  It is Charlie Schrem.  Definitely not a pedo.  He sold bitcoin to people who were supplying bitcoin to Silk Road.  It is the smallest crime imaginable after cross the road without permission.

But wait, I thought Silk Road would be receiving bitcoin from sales, not supplying it.  I have to admit, I know next-to-nothing about SR.  Nevertheless, I have to ask, did CS know what the folks he was supplying were doing with their BTC?


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: 12345mm on March 31, 2015, 02:29:50 PM
the guy was consistently moving a large amount of btc (to drug traffickers) , without a money transmitter license , aka felony money laundering , per the law ... just so anyone else out there is aware - you CANNOT as a private citizen in the U.S. legally buy or sell over $5000 worth of any type of currency in a single day without a money transmitter license ... whether that's btc/pesos/euros/seashells/usd , if you're converting currency , there are legal restrictions on what you can and cannot do ... he broke the law , and now is in jail ... i wonder why nobody wants to give free money to a criminal money launderer ? ? ?


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: tspacepilot on March 31, 2015, 02:34:17 PM
the guy was consistently moving a large amount of btc (to drug traffickers) , without a money transmitter license , aka felony money laundering , per the law ... just so anyone else out there is aware - you CANNOT as a private citizen in the U.S. legally buy or sell over $5000 worth of any type of currency in a single day without a money transmitter license ... whether that's btc/pesos/euros/seashells/usd , if you're converting currency , there are legal restrictions on what you can and cannot do ... he broke the law , and now is in jail ... i wonder why nobody wants to give free money to a criminal money launderer ? ? ?

I felt confident there was more to the story than what was posted in the OP.  I don't move anywhere near that amount of BTC (in fact, I'm basically just a hodler) however even I start to feel weird when someone says that someone went to jail for selling BTC.  I'm glad there's more to it than that.


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: 12345mm on March 31, 2015, 02:42:11 PM
yup ... i mean that's basically the long and the short of it ... think about it like this ... if you were being brought bags of cash on the daily with tens of thousands of dollars , which you then deposited in your bank , and used to buy btc off exchanges so you could give those btc to the people bringing you bags of cash , you'd pretty well know that what you were doing was money laundering for criminals ... and that's exactly what he was doing ... so remember folks , only launder $4000 per day in btc for your criminal buddies , just to be on the safe side with exchange fluctuations , and then you'll be legal (ish) ...


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: SaltySpitoon on March 31, 2015, 02:47:36 PM
the guy was consistently moving a large amount of btc (to drug traffickers) , without a money transmitter license , aka felony money laundering , per the law ... just so anyone else out there is aware - you CANNOT as a private citizen in the U.S. legally buy or sell over $5000 worth of any type of currency in a single day without a money transmitter license ... whether that's btc/pesos/euros/seashells/usd , if you're converting currency , there are legal restrictions on what you can and cannot do ... he broke the law , and now is in jail ... i wonder why nobody wants to give free money to a criminal money launderer ? ? ?

He did have a money transmitter license. He owned Bitinstant which was legally registered in New York. You were only legally allowed to purchase $1k in BTC per day, however he found out that a user with connections to the silk road was bypassing the $1k/day limit. He then got nailed for his relationship to the Silk Road through that intermediary.

There are additional details in the case, but that is the gist. I dont know, I am personally a fan of Charlie Shrem, I am of the opinion that if this was a standard USD business and not a BTC business in question, he would have got a slap on the wrist and a warning that what he was doing could be considered illegal. People are quick to defend him, because this was one of the first cases of pretty openly biass of law enforcement targeting a Bitcoin business to send a message.


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: bigbitmine on March 31, 2015, 02:51:59 PM
You DEMAND???  Go fuck yourself!
'Demand' - its a French word.  It means 'ask'.  It if far more polite than you could imagine.  I am in France.  I mix English 'demand' and French 'demand' sometimes.  No big deal.  Now go send a buck.  Jesus.

Umm..  No!.  Now aller te faire foutre


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: tspacepilot on March 31, 2015, 02:55:42 PM
the guy was consistently moving a large amount of btc (to drug traffickers) , without a money transmitter license , aka felony money laundering , per the law ... just so anyone else out there is aware - you CANNOT as a private citizen in the U.S. legally buy or sell over $5000 worth of any type of currency in a single day without a money transmitter license ... whether that's btc/pesos/euros/seashells/usd , if you're converting currency , there are legal restrictions on what you can and cannot do ... he broke the law , and now is in jail ... i wonder why nobody wants to give free money to a criminal money launderer ? ? ?

He did have a money transmitter license. He owned Bitinstant which was legally registered in New York. You were only legally allowed to purchase $1k in BTC per day, however he found out that a user with connections to the silk road was bypassing the $1k/day limit. He then got nailed for his relationship to the Silk Road through that intermediary.

There are additional details in the case, but that is the gist. I dont know, I am personally a fan of Charlie Shrem, I am of the opinion that if this was a standard USD business and not a BTC business in question, he would have got a slap on the wrist and a warning that what he was doing could be considered illegal. People are quick to defend him, because this was one of the first cases of pretty openly biass of law enforcement targeting a Bitcoin business to send a message.

Thanks, Salty, I think I should obviously read up on this case a bit.  There's clearly waaay more to this than what was posted in the OP.


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: spazzdla on March 31, 2015, 02:56:39 PM
The bankers told their pigs to decimate anyone involved in Bitcoin.

Becareful.


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: 12345mm on March 31, 2015, 03:00:13 PM
currency exchange license is different from money transmitter license as i understand it ... that's why some of the small time online btc places have that $1000 per day per customer limit , right ? (and why he was conducting what was considered a felony volume of currency conversion) ... in any case , he obviously did not have procedures in place to prevent bad actors from bypassing the legal limit , functionally looking the other way with inadequate identity verification ... but i was under the impression that he was , in addition to running his online exchange , conducting in person business , which was how he was popped in a sting yes ?


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: OgNasty on March 31, 2015, 03:00:53 PM
C'mon guys - this is just crazy.  The poor guy went to JAIL yesterday.  He has done so much for the community.  His crime was TINY!  

This is all we managed to scrape up for him?  (.6 BTC)  What!?
https://blockchain.info/address/1NEgShr962NMHXet3WTVzwuW2189JRrP93  (https://blockchain.info/address/1NEgShr962NMHXet3WTVzwuW2189JRrP93)

C'mon you cheap bastards, give the guy a few bucks.  

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQkJHpvkMuhmBtPwQLOMOHMdt2gFSDZtsqWlZK2k7onom5XaO5b

I challenge you, no, I demand you pick up your damn android and kick down a few bucks.  Just to make his first day feel a little better like someone actually cares.  I am sleeping in nice sheets tonight - he is sleeping with four roommates on canvas.  To answer this challenge, please send .111 bitcoin to 1NEgShr962NMHXet3WTVzwuW2189JRrP93 so we can see who agrees.

It looks like bracek gave him 60 BTC.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817069.0


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: goose20 on March 31, 2015, 03:13:19 PM
C'mon guys - this is just crazy.  The poor guy went to JAIL yesterday.  He has done so much for the community.  His crime was TINY!  

This is all we managed to scrape up for him?  (.6 BTC)  What!?
https://blockchain.info/address/1NEgShr962NMHXet3WTVzwuW2189JRrP93  (https://blockchain.info/address/1NEgShr962NMHXet3WTVzwuW2189JRrP93)

C'mon you cheap bastards, give the guy a few bucks.  

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQkJHpvkMuhmBtPwQLOMOHMdt2gFSDZtsqWlZK2k7onom5XaO5b

I challenge you, no, I demand you pick up your damn android and kick down a few bucks.  Just to make his first day feel a little better like someone actually cares.  I am sleeping in nice sheets tonight - he is sleeping with four roommates on canvas.  To answer this challenge, please send .111 bitcoin to 1NEgShr962NMHXet3WTVzwuW2189JRrP93 so we can see who agrees.

It looks like bracek gave him 60 BTC.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817069.0

Lol...maybe 'gave' isnt quite the right word.


*******
Charlie broke the law - but they def used the btc aspect to make a case out of him.



Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: jonald_fyookball on March 31, 2015, 03:18:21 PM
In Charlie's own words "I broke the law and I broke it badly"....So why should I send him any money?
Nothing against Charlie, but IMO if you want to donate money, send it to Jean and Burt.


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: futureofbitcoin on March 31, 2015, 03:40:29 PM
C'mon guys - this is just crazy. His crime was TINY!  

This is all we managed to scrape up for him?  (.6 BTC)  What!?


C'mon you cheap bastards, give the guy a few bucks.  


Dude, even if you think his crime is "tiny", my crime is even smaller! Why don't you give me a few bucks :p


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: runpaint on March 31, 2015, 03:48:05 PM
The bankers told their pigs to decimate anyone involved in Bitcoin.


"Decimate" is a French word, and it means "to send .1BTC to Charlie Shrem"


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: gentlemand on March 31, 2015, 04:25:37 PM

I challenge you, no, I demand you pick up your damn android and kick down a few bucks.  Just to make his first day feel a little better like someone actually cares.  I am sleeping in nice sheets tonight - he is sleeping with four roommates on canvas.  To answer this challenge, please send .111 bitcoin to 1NEgShr962NMHXet3WTVzwuW2189JRrP93 so we can see who agrees.


Um. Why does someone who said on camera they spend thousands a day on lawyers deserve a Satoshi from any random poster on here?

'The Man' aside, he broke laws available for any member of the public to read and be aware of. He knew what he was doing. I do not break laws and wouldn't expect a payout from strangers if I did.

I'm sure he'll enjoy a couple of years playing tennis and then be straight back in action. Ideally the space will have moved on by then and he'll be an irrelevance. The bad smells need to waft away.


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: NyeFe on March 31, 2015, 04:29:21 PM
I really cannot persuade myself to donate to a guy who helped dimmer Bitcoins image, by participating in illegal activities.

Maybe someone could state otherwise?


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: MF Doom on March 31, 2015, 04:37:10 PM
I really cannot persuade myself to donate to a guy who helped dimmer Bitcoins image, by participating in illegal activities.

Maybe someone could state otherwise?


Of course hes going to act like he didn't know he was doing anything wrong, but thats no excuse for breaking the law.

Also, I believe if you look at his profile on here he currently has scam accusations against him, that apparently he didn't plan on dealing with in a timely manner. 

I dont think he needs or deserves donations from anyone.


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: Quantus on March 31, 2015, 05:47:10 PM
He knowingly took dirty money in exchange for bitcoins knowing the exchange was to "launder the money". He knew this was wrong and against the law. He knowingly broke the law and got caught. I don't feel the need to give money to someone just because they exhibit poor judgment.  And besides I heard the guy was loaded. He has a huge bitcoin stash.


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: MF Doom on March 31, 2015, 05:51:11 PM
Thanks, Salty, I think I should obviously read up on this case a bit.  There's clearly waaay more to this than what was posted in the OP.

Yeah there is.  Just because he seems to be a likable guy who was heavily involved in bitcoin early on does NOT make him any less of a criminal.

Not to mention he has ripped off forum members for large amounts of btc.  He seemed to have a good rep until his trial/sentencing.  Just another bad person associated with btc.  Any good he previously did is now undone by scamming people on here.

You certainly should NOT be giving him money.  There are much worthier causes you can donate to.


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: mikewirth on March 31, 2015, 05:58:57 PM
Thanks, Salty, I think I should obviously read up on this case a bit.  There's clearly waaay more to this than what was posted in the OP.

Yeah there is.  Just because he seems to be a likable guy who was heavily involved in bitcoin early on does NOT make him any less of a criminal.

Not to mention he has ripped off forum members for large amounts of btc.  He seemed to have a good rep until his trial/sentencing.  Just another bad person associated with btc.  Any good he previously did is now undone by scamming people on here.

You certainly should NOT be giving him money.  There are much worthier causes you can donate to.
Who did he scam?


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: Gleb Gamow on March 31, 2015, 06:15:23 PM
Wasn't he a pedo or something like that?

and I doubt he is sleeping on canvas he is able to tweet from jail, pretty sure it's low security.
low security yeah, 'tweet' - I am not sure about that.

Seriously, it is. There are no fences.


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: DarkHyudrA on March 31, 2015, 06:33:12 PM
The bankers told their pigs to decimate anyone involved in Bitcoin.

Becareful.

Thats not the point, the whole point was doing something illegal.
The problem is not Bitcoin, but how it got used.


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: chri521 on March 31, 2015, 06:46:00 PM
The bankers told their pigs to decimate anyone involved in Bitcoin.

Becareful.

Thats not the point, the whole point was doing something illegal.
The problem is not Bitcoin, but how it got used.

Spot on but with a crypto currency that is unregulated (for the most part) and made to be very anonymous, it's trying to bring that cash concept into the online space.
Bitcoin will always have that stain of being associated with illicit activities because of these factors, as well as the high profile ones like Silk Road.


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: dothebeats on March 31, 2015, 06:59:48 PM
C'mon guys - this is just crazy.  The poor guy went to JAIL yesterday.  He has done so much for the community.  His crime was TINY!  

This is all we managed to scrape up for him?  (.6 BTC)  What!?
https://blockchain.info/address/1NEgShr962NMHXet3WTVzwuW2189JRrP93  (https://blockchain.info/address/1NEgShr962NMHXet3WTVzwuW2189JRrP93)

C'mon you cheap bastards, give the guy a few bucks.  

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQkJHpvkMuhmBtPwQLOMOHMdt2gFSDZtsqWlZK2k7onom5XaO5b

I challenge you, no, I demand you pick up your damn android and kick down a few bucks.  Just to make his first day feel a little better like someone actually cares.  I am sleeping in nice sheets tonight - he is sleeping with four roommates on canvas.  To answer this challenge, please send .111 bitcoin to 1NEgShr962NMHXet3WTVzwuW2189JRrP93 so we can see who agrees.



Charlie Shrem is one of the figures in the world of bitcoin that really did something for the community. He openly admitted to the crime--which was dealing with drug dealers in Silk Road-- and wholeheartedly accepted the consequences of his actions. Upon reading his blog and the CoinDesk article about him, my respect towards his personality increased by this line:

Quote
While inside, I’d love emails, letters, books, and magazines! Everything helps

And this one:

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I did the crime and I will do the time. They say those who stand by you in the bad times, deserve to be with you in the good times. Good times are coming and I look forward to it. I also want to thank those select few in the SDNY District Court and NYSPT for treating me with dignity and respect.


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: knight22 on March 31, 2015, 07:45:49 PM
Charlie Shrem btctalk profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=21181


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: --Encrypted-- on March 31, 2015, 07:49:16 PM
Charlie Shrem btctalk profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=21181

I'm not sure why people should help a guy that stole bitcoins from honest guys..  ::)


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: frankenmint on March 31, 2015, 08:07:07 PM
Charlie Shrem btctalk profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=21181

I'm not sure why people should help a guy that stole bitcoins from honest guys..  ::)

I'm going out on a limb here to state context - he's probably broke and now in jail and/or paying restitution fees.  He probably no longer had the nickels to rub together to pay the guy back - I wish he would come forward and admit this and offer to make payment arrangements in 2 years when he's to be released.  I mean 35 BTC is no small matter either, but cut the guy a break.


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: NyeFe on March 31, 2015, 08:26:46 PM
Charlie Shrem btctalk profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=21181

I'm not sure why people should help a guy that stole bitcoins from honest guys..  ::)

I'm going out on a limb here to state context - he's probably broke and now in jail and/or paying restitution fees.  He probably no longer had the nickels to rub together to pay the guy back - I wish he would come forward and admit this and offer to make payment arrangements in 2 years when he's to be released.  I mean 35 BTC is no small matter either, but cut the guy a break.

I bet he wasn't thinking about us, or the future of Bitcoin when he was rubbing all those millions. When i mention bitcoin, do you know what peoples first impressions are? I'll tell you, it's drug. His and many others are the reasons why we have posts such as https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1008266.0 circulating to online consumers and further staining the reputation, which everyone has worked hard to keep clean.


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: NNH7 on March 31, 2015, 09:55:23 PM
So, this is a begging topic...


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: --Encrypted-- on March 31, 2015, 10:18:39 PM
Charlie Shrem btctalk profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=21181

I'm not sure why people should help a guy that stole bitcoins from honest guys..  ::)

I'm going out on a limb here to state context - he's probably broke and now in jail and/or paying restitution fees.  He probably no longer had the nickels to rub together to pay the guy back - I wish he would come forward and admit this and offer to make payment arrangements in 2 years when he's to be released.  I mean 35 BTC is no small matter either, but cut the guy a break.

what? it's not like I swore at him or sending him hate emails.
one might disagree with me because he did some good things to the bitcoin community, too. but I still think that people have no reason to send him funds after what he done.


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: fancy_pants on March 31, 2015, 11:20:00 PM
"you CANNOT as a private citizen in the U.S. legally buy or sell over $5000 worth of any type of currency in a single day without a money transmitter license."  <-- bullshit.  Feel free to send link to back up this claim.

Shrem was a compliance officer for his MSB business.  So,  he volunteered in writing that he would proactively report transactions, then he didn't report. 


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: Natalia_AnatolioPAMM on March 31, 2015, 11:33:05 PM
So, this is a begging topic...

not thought-provoking or anything. thats sad ???


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: seethevalue on March 31, 2015, 11:38:17 PM
Give to people who are not in jail and can use it..
1Fo1atLWjHmkUMVd1vXaqM1Nzn7Y1G6uCQ

as I've been stolen from it's only right, a few £1000 it's only right.


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: snarlpill on March 31, 2015, 11:50:19 PM
C'mon guys - this is just crazy.  The poor guy went to JAIL yesterday.  He has done so much for the community.  His crime was TINY!  

This is all we managed to scrape up for him?  (.6 BTC)  What!?
https://blockchain.info/address/1NEgShr962NMHXet3WTVzwuW2189JRrP93  (https://blockchain.info/address/1NEgShr962NMHXet3WTVzwuW2189JRrP93)

C'mon you cheap bastards, give the guy a few bucks.  

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQkJHpvkMuhmBtPwQLOMOHMdt2gFSDZtsqWlZK2k7onom5XaO5b

I challenge you, no, I demand you pick up your damn android and kick down a few bucks.  Just to make his first day feel a little better like someone actually cares.  I am sleeping in nice sheets tonight - he is sleeping with four roommates on canvas.  To answer this challenge, please send .111 bitcoin to 1NEgShr962NMHXet3WTVzwuW2189JRrP93 so we can see who agrees.

It looks like bracek gave him 60 BTC.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817069.0

I'm glad you brought this up Og. I didn't know Charlie personally but liked the guy from what I did know about him.   .....up until I learned that he had ripped bracek off for 60 BTC, knowingly and intentionally. It was definitely no accident and it seemed like he was using his higher reputation to get away with stealing from a lower rep. member. I'm not saying everything about the guy is bad, but that was definitely wrong.


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: 9kv on April 01, 2015, 12:03:38 AM
I don't have Android :( sorry :(


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: 50ouncebrew on April 01, 2015, 12:40:01 AM
he has enough fuck you


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: toytoboy on April 01, 2015, 05:33:17 AM
Two questions.  Who is that?  Why did he go to jail?
What are you kidding?  It is Charlie Schrem.  Definitely not a pedo.  He sold bitcoin to people who were supplying bitcoin to Silk Road.  It is the smallest crime imaginable after cross the road without permission.

Everyone can anything they are not yet know. You should be polite


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: vankoovo on April 01, 2015, 06:24:36 AM
Forget it and let's begin your work harder


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: MF Doom on April 01, 2015, 11:31:09 AM
I've seen a video about him once. The guy had his own bar and a downtown apartment in his early 20s, it's not like he's a poor kid in need of some tips.
I don't sympathize with greedy rich boys like him.


Yeah, and now add scammer/thief to that.  Someone on here is out a lot of money.

He doesn't need or deserve anything from anyone on here.  He will be in a fine position to get back to his life when hes out in a few years.  But if you read up he did have to forfeit almost $1 million, so that may have been most of his wealth, then again maybe not!


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: bracek on April 05, 2015, 11:25:55 PM
I've seen a video about him once. The guy had his own bar and a downtown apartment in his early 20s, it's not like he's a poor kid in need of some tips.
I don't sympathize with greedy rich boys like him.


Yeah, and now add scammer/thief to that.  Someone on here is out a lot of money.

He doesn't need or deserve anything from anyone on here.  He will be in a fine position to get back to his life when hes out in a few years.  But if you read up he did have to forfeit almost $1 million, so that may have been most of his wealth, then again maybe not!

check here :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817069.0;all


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: inBitweTrust on April 06, 2015, 12:44:57 AM
I'm glad you brought this up Og. I didn't know Charlie personally but liked the guy from what I did know about him.   .....up until I learned that he had ripped bracek off for 60 BTC, knowingly and intentionally. It was definitely no accident and it seemed like he was using his higher reputation to get away with stealing from a lower rep. member. I'm not saying everything about the guy is bad, but that was definitely wrong.

35BTC plus interest... which may be very expensive to pay back by the time he gets out of jail. Other than that I don't know much about him except he was instrumental to the community in the early days and probably not a bad guy overall but made some mistakes that he needs to make good on.

How about people donate to bracek on behalf of Shrem's debt instead of giving to Shrem directly?


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: TheMage on April 06, 2015, 03:28:44 AM
the guy was consistently moving a large amount of btc (to drug traffickers) , without a money transmitter license , aka felony money laundering , per the law ... just so anyone else out there is aware - you CANNOT as a private citizen in the U.S. legally buy or sell over $5000 worth of any type of currency in a single day without a money transmitter license ... whether that's btc/pesos/euros/seashells/usd , if you're converting currency , there are legal restrictions on what you can and cannot do ... he broke the law , and now is in jail ... i wonder why nobody wants to give free money to a criminal money launderer ? ? ?

He did have a money transmitter license. He owned Bitinstant which was legally registered in New York. You were only legally allowed to purchase $1k in BTC per day, however he found out that a user with connections to the silk road was bypassing the $1k/day limit. He then got nailed for his relationship to the Silk Road through that intermediary.

There are additional details in the case, but that is the gist. I dont know, I am personally a fan of Charlie Shrem, I am of the opinion that if this was a standard USD business and not a BTC business in question, he would have got a slap on the wrist and a warning that what he was doing could be considered illegal. People are quick to defend him, because this was one of the first cases of pretty openly biass of law enforcement targeting a Bitcoin business to send a message.

Sorry Salty but this is really only half the story and the full truth is much worse. What he did was he deliberately and knowingly told a drug dealer how to avoid triggering AML AFTER said dealer has his account shut down. Here is a full quote quote from another thread I posted in on the "long story short".


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Sorry if this was said already (post skipped after page 1), but for those who are crying "Poor Charlie"...

http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressreleases/January14/SchremFaiellaChargesPR/Faiella,%20Robert%20M.%20and%20Charlie%20Shrem%20Complaint.pdf




Long story short, BTCking triggered AML and and email was sent to him by bitinstant (some people CC'ed on the email, Charlie included), and said they were closing his account.


Charlie went behind that email and solicited BTCking to continue using them, and told him how to avoid triggering their AML policy (keep in mind as their AML office in charge of enforcing those policies).


Silk road, drugs, government not getting a cut (taxes), and every other conspiracy here aside, what Charlie did was reckless, stupid, and illegal. Those who are cheering him on as some martyr need a reality check.


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: MF Doom on April 06, 2015, 02:05:31 PM

Sorry Salty but this is really only half the story and the full truth is much worse. What he did was he deliberately and knowingly told a drug dealer how to avoid triggering AML AFTER said dealer has his account shut down. Here is a full quote quote from another thread I posted in on the "long story short".


so long story short, he IS a criminal (regardless if he's a "likable guy") and he is serving the time in jail that he no doubt earned.  Moreover he scammed someone on here for a large amount.   So he does not need/deserve sympathy or donations.

Donating to the victim is a much better idea, as someone suggested.


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: QuestionAuthority on April 06, 2015, 02:36:18 PM
It's not just a btc crime. Lots of people go to jail for similar money laundering crimes. When you are a compliance officer that helps someone launder drug money you risk spending a long time in prison. He actually got a pretty light sentence considering how much the Feds wanted to attack anyone connected with Silk Road.

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EL PASO, TEXAS (AP) -- A West Texas man has been sentenced to 10 years in prison for using his car repair business to launder drug money

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Jed Ladin, 67, of Lauderdale-by-the-Sea, pleaded guilty last year to a money-laundering conspiracy charge. He admitted he used his jewelry and precious metals business, Golden Opportunities in Hallandale Beach, to illegally transfer cash to more than 20 people in Mexico. Jed Ladin was sentenced last week to three years in federal prison and must begin serving his time on July 31. U.S. District Judge Beth Bloom also ordered him to perform 500 hours of community service and complete three years of probation.

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STATEN ISLAND, N.Y. -- A New York man has pleaded guilty to money-laundering conspiracy . Marc Schulman, 35, who also goes by the names "Marc Loren," "Nicky Loren" and "Nicky Schulman," operated a Manhattan-based business, which was not identified in an indictment filed against the defendant. Schulman faces a possible 33 to 41 months in prison.

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A court in Boston (Massachusetts) has sentenced 23-year-old Russian Alexei Shushlyannikov to three years in prison for money laundering. Shushlyannikov entered the US on a student visa in May 2012.


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: TheMage on April 07, 2015, 01:40:39 AM
It's not just a btc crime. Lots of people go to jail for similar money laundering crimes. When you are a compliance officer that helps someone launder drug money you risk spending a long time in prison. He actually got a pretty light sentence considering how much the Feds wanted to attack anyone connected with Silk Road.



This is what I don't get, people around here want to paint this an anti-BTC government when it was clear (for those of us who read the information) what he was doing was illegal outside of BTC.


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: Mt. Gox on April 18, 2015, 10:23:38 AM
check here :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817069.0;all

...Moreover he scammed someone on here for a large amount.   So he does not need/deserve sympathy or donations.

Donating to the victim is a much better idea, as someone suggested.

I'm curious as to why Shrem would do this. He was an early adopter who ran BitInstant right? What use would he have for 60 BTC?


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: --Encrypted-- on April 18, 2015, 11:40:07 AM
check here :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=817069.0;all

...Moreover he scammed someone on here for a large amount.   So he does not need/deserve sympathy or donations.

Donating to the victim is a much better idea, as someone suggested.

I'm curious as to why Shrem would do this. He was an early adopter who ran BitInstant right? What use would he have for 60 BTC?

60 btc is still a lot of money to be gained for free.


Title: Re: Are you fools pathetic - or what?
Post by: lucullus on April 18, 2015, 11:42:32 AM
This guy is a scum bag