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I am an avid supporter of this, though this is a pipe dream at the time being but if I ever achieve a public following and if I ever got into politics because of it; then it would be for this and only this topic / goal in mind.

I am NOT a RSS member or supporter. I believe in a free India, a secular India, a united India; rich with cultural and religious diversity.

So go ahead, and give your views regarding if this unison should happen, should not happen should have happened 60 years ago etc

Whatever is your opinion just jot in down below.


Biggest hurdles : Pakistan, Burma, Tibet (currently part of Imperial People's republic of China) and surprisingly the newly anti-india Thailand.

-Update Dec 2k15-

Please watch this video of Ex Cricketer and current Pakistani politician; Imran khan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJwyCuDqv58

Mr Imran Khan talks about pesky issues that prevent any positive discussion to move forward and he briefly describes what is lacking in the leadership of both of our countries. To quote him 'A man does not become great with just his talents or qualifications, he becomes great when he has a great vision'.

I completely agree with Mr Khan's viewpoint here, he clearly says that if India and Pakistan are to move forward and have sustained peace then there needs to be a leader that has a great vision for both these countries. Obviously there will be a vested interest in keeping the things as they are currently and there will be opposition and challenges to overcome if one is to go up against the status-quo.
But to overcome these small pesky hurdles and look beyond what our countries can achieve in the future if they work together is beyond anything that anyone of us can comprehend.

He talks about open borders and letting India access Central Asia through Pakistan and that is a HUGE statement coming from a pakistani politician.

In my opinion, free trade and open borders and joint policing and administration of Kashmir would be a huge leap forward. Keep in mind Mr Khan did NOT talk about this joint administration thing its just my thought.

From outsiders perspective, it seems as India in the past 50 years expended most of its energy on staying intact and not collapsing under its own population growth, aswell as religious fundamentalism. I have hard time imagining how India would want to integrate sunni, nuclear capable Pakistan.

On the other hand, should such (unlikely) union ever happen and some sort of "area of influence) agreement is reached with China, I see no reason, why India couldnt be the superpower of tommorrow.

Spoken like a true outsider.

I mean why wont you 'outsiders' ever stop complaining about our population ? Trust me we might be heavily populated but not densely populated.

Second, Pakistan and most of the map you see here was once a part of India under the Britts, India has faced no problem in staying intact but it has lagged behind in the political sector as there has been no proper political unity.

Sure we had few wars with Pakistan and 1 skrimish with China but that is local territorial aggression almost inevitable in any new country's genesis.

@legendster hard to see that happen anytime soon. Too many other problems to solve first.

@no-ice-please the us doesn't invade nuclear armed countries. They aren't that stupid. And I don't think legendster is talking about military conquest. Just hindu muslim unity.

The US could learn a thing or two about invading a country and winning that war from India. We did that successfully when we liberated Bangladesh from Pakistan.

As far as why it would be called India ? Because of the obvious fact that it is the Indian cultural and historical influence on these nations not the other way around. Remember all of what you see in the map was united as India under the britts. Its certainly possible to merge these.

Lastly, US 'sweeping' over India is as long shot as Guatemala having a manned space program for Pluto in the next 20 years. Not only does US lack the 'firepower' to take India down, it'd also starve to death because it is India that created the thousands of jobs in US which eventually helped you guys pull through your 08 crisis.

Yes I am not talking about a military campaign but a peaceful political integration. However those are never peaceful.
No I am not talking about religion equality, India has never been the home to a single religion, we have been muslim / Hindu / Buddhists / jains / Sikhs etc etc through out time; it'd be naive to identify India with a single religion - a mistake which 'outsiders' make.

Sometimes I just laugh at how naive these typical western thought could be, make no mistake there are 'elements' within our country which are responsible for such misconception.

It is true that many Indians defecate in the open, but those Indians dont even have cemented homes forget about a proper toilet; but the last time I checked the nature of a person's defecation process doesnt influence his right to live in a country that is a 'world power'. There are homeless people in the US so should we say the americans who live in high rise apartments deserve anything less for the value of their money ?

The progress of a country can never be determined by measuring the earning potential of the poor, but rather gauged by the spending capital of the rich. You'd be a fool to think that there arent any rich Indians.

LOL! I dint know that only India was facing these problems. When I ask outsiders about their country, why do they keep cribbing about their country too facing poverty, crime, corruption and so on. If we check, every country does have certain minus points as compared to plus points. No country is perfect in that respect.


Regarding Akhand Bharat: I don't support this unison as each country is happy being an independent country. There would be many problems if we think about their unity and calling them just Bharat.

The map doesn't even show the whole of Kashmir in India.  ;D
This is really wishful thinking. There are nationalistic sentiments in all nations. Why on earth would any nation want to be part of "Akhand Bharat". At best, some sort of Free Trade Agreement is what could be hoped for.

The whole of Kashmir is not included in the map because the map is sourced from wikipedia which respects 'international boundary disputes'.

The question is not whether Kashmir belongs to India but rather should any land ocean sea or island which was administered or influenced significantly by India in any cultural or political form in the past, consider joining forces to become what could be a global power in no time.

India could have taken Kashmir a long time ago if US didnt help Pakistan fuel the terrorism there, and if only they didnt help them become a nuclear power, a country which still has 6 hours power cut in it's capital, a large area of it unmonitored or un-administered due to Taliban rule - yes I am talking of Pakistan.

Back when India gained freedom it made Russia it's closest ally, they chose to have strong ties with Russia than the americans because India already faced Japanese aggression in WW2.
Somehow US saw this move as Anti-US which was bullshit. Too bad it took them so long to realize their mistake.

I do agree however, even before dreaming about Akhand Bharat one must conspire to reclaim the lost territory to China and Pakistan and settle that matter once & for all.

Hindu and Muslim can never Unite, If that possible they would have join before 1947 partition, Its called Two nation theory.

Muslim Rule over the subcontinent more than 800 year, And then British came and Muslim rule was over, And British rule was started. FIRST THE Indian were Under the MUSLIM and then Under the BRITISH rule. They have no problem. Muslim has the problem because they are the ruler, and rulers are now treated as slaves.

Beginning in the 12th century, several Islamic states were established in the Indian subcontinent in the course of a gradual Muslim conquest in the Indian subcontinent. This process culminated in the Mughal Empire, which ruled most of India during the mid-16th to mid-19th centuries. The Islamic rule gradually declined due to dominance of Maratha rule and several other rebellions (case during entire period of mughal rule past Akbar). The eventual end of the period of Islamic rule of India is marked by the two main events Indian Rebellion of 1857 and the beginning of British rule, although Islamic rule persisted in Hyderabad State and other minor princely states until Union of India in 1948. However, most Islamic rule had started to wane in the 17th and 18th century before that.

This is the Map Showing Muslim rule.

http://s12.postimg.org/grv2ymorh/732px_Brit_Indian_Empire_Religions3.jpg

Really? "Not densely populated"? I just Googled it out and found out that Kolkata(assuming that's where you live) has a density of 24,000people/sq.km . If that's not called densely populated then what shall it be called? All the liveable parts in India are densely populated. Delhi itself has 11,320 people/sq.km density.

LoL. Bezti.

Irfan, I am going to make an insult/Joke about you and your country please dont take it seriously & be a sport.

Seriously which school did your parents sent you that your brain is so thoroughly washed - with some form of detergent - that you are actually calling a British India Map the Muslim India map ?? Please get your facts right. Please read on..


Get your hands & feet together folks I see an Indo Pak war coming.

 There is no Hindu there is no Muslim its plain and simple INDIAN.

In the ancient times people lived near the now dried up vedic Saraswati they werent Hindu, they didnt have rules, they didnt follow any other civiliztions but were expert traders.

Then we were part of the Haryanks and in a broader picture the Mahajanapads, the greatest empire of these 'Janapads' = Realm of the People ? It was the Magadh empire.

Then came the persians and the greeks, who returned back to their abodes when they were faced with the sheer logistical challenges of a military conquest in this peninsula.

Then throughout the classical age India was the land of the people whose majority were Hindu, and by majority I would say above 90%

It was during this classical time when the Mauryas rose & fell and with them spread the wings of India all across the south of Asia.
It was during this time when the age old tradition of cultivating wheat and the expanding wheat - farm lands spreading to the East and the west at an exponential rate; that the name 'Sone Ki Chirya' (The Golden Bird) was coined to India.

It wasnt until the early half 5th century, when the White Huns lead by Toramana invaded the North of Pakistan through the Afghan mountains, that Islam or any form of islam was introduced here. It was a short lived reign but converted enough Hindus to other religions like Tengri & Manichaeism, it basically opened up the possibility of conversion of Hindus to other religion which wasnt possible until now..

Much later in the 7th Century when Sindh (today's pakistan) was conquered by an invading Umayyadi Meccan army followed by the death of Muhammad. But even then this was isolated to the Northern part of the peninsula. While the rest of India was entering the late classical era, during which India and it's cultural influence spread further south east down through Sumatra and Indonesia.

The small muslim kingdoms formed during the Umayyadi crusades in the north were part of the Meccan caliphate but it's rulers were too unequipped to invade the rest of India.

Lets face it, Islam is the best religion for barbarian central asian tribes, who were among the early adopters of the religion. They could eat almost anything, they could have many wives, they got rid of the need of idols, anyone anywhere could just curl up and claim to be in a 'holy place' - which is good if you are a nomad and have no fixed place to live. Multiple wives just increases the reproduction efficiency and most importantly they could take anything from anyone because according their 'trollbook' the whole world is theirs to pillage.

AND they've been so successful at this craft of pillaging that they eventually dared to get into the heart of Delhi (Old Delhi) by the beginning of the 13th century and eventually set up the muslim rule in India by converting the general population into their own religion of Islam. But this was for 300 years not 800 The french, the Spanish the Portuguese and the Dutch started arriving by the 16th century and by the 17th Century the Britts.

In a way the britts were the first political unity this peninsula had seen in a long time.

But we shouldnt forget one fact. Religion is stupid. It is fake, it is a form of mind control, a form of herding the sheep. That sheep is the common man, every religion had one agenda and no it was not 'peace', it was the illusion of peace through fear and subjugation.

Hindu, muslim, sikh, Buddhists, Jains, Tengris (lol) all are and were ALWAYS Indians.
They just started believing in different imaginary concepts at different points in time thats all.


I get it how pathetic the common man in Pakistan today must feel that the founder of their country was nothing more than a delusional hateful old man, yes I m talking about Jinnah. Its high time my ancestral brothers stopped living in another man's delusion.

Tell me do you still assume that I am a figment of imagination ? Or do you actually believe I am who I say I am ? I m fine with whatever the hell you believe I am but at least be straight forward about it. Where the hell do you think I am from ? The Fitzroy Crater on mars ?

And its high time that your generation started living outside the text based world of google.

I am IN Kolkata and I live in an apartment thats close to 2000 sqft big. 90% of all the people in this town have a big enough room close to this dimension.
You wanna know what population density really looks like then go visit Taiwan or Japan or Thailand. I said VISIT. That doesnt imply a google street view visit.

Thats Bezti ;) though none intended.

What about Gandhi? Who is He? What you say about him?
 

As most of us are here for bitcoin and the ideas of decentralization, I'd presume that that would be the same sentiment when it comes to nation-states. Regional government will be less responsive to the people than a sole national govt and world govt even worst.

...several Islamic states were established in the Indian subcontinent in the course of a gradual Muslim conquest in the Indian subcontinent. This process culminated in the Mughal Empire, which ruled most of India during the mid-16th to mid-19th centuries.....
This is the Map Showing Muslim rule....


Hey, Religion of Peace, how you doing?

Akhand Bharat is wishful thinking by RSS proponents in North India.
It has absolutely no support South of the Vindhyas. The RSS should first get a reality check done.

He was what he was and the world respects him. Its ok you can be proud of him too, he was after all an Indian just like you & me. But hey no human being is without flaws so why dont you go ahead and list a few for us to be entertained ?

Hey there fake Ramsey,
The idea of decentralization originated from the Indus valley civ, if you do your research you would find out some tantalizing aspects of it.
The way I see it, every country on earth needs to be unified into one country, in other words there should be either no country or just one. That government wouldnt rule but it'd administrate.

The more fragmented we become in territorial terms the more tension it exerts in the world economy. Just imagine if only people in US paid taxes for development in Somalia and if the oil revenues from the Middle east was used in the development of the South American countries, then what a different world we would be living in.

I am not talking about world domination, but world collaboration.

Why you are including regions such as the Philippines, Sichuan, Cambodia, Laos, and Myanmar (colored in yellow) in your Akhand Bharat? These places have nothing in common with India.

And talking about an India - Pakistan - Bangladesh merger, it will be a disaster for the Indian Hindus. Muslims will form around 35% of the total population, and they will quickly capture power with the help of "secular" Indian parties such as the Indian National Congress.

If they merge then the Muslims would form 40-50% of the total population within a few years cuz they are reproducing 4-5 times faster than a normal Hindu. If this happens then I am sure we'll see something similar to what happened in middle east happening in India. *that will be the time to leave the earth*.

It is my wishful thinking and if you think I belong to RSS then you are the one who needs to have his head checked.

1. Is it bad to have a muslim majority ? People are changing, its not 1942 anymore. Yes I said 42, why ? Google it.

2. We already had a muslim president and guess what INDIANS LOVED HIM irrespective of their religion!

Wow you speak like a real bigot you know that ? You're speaking of human beings not dogs in a kennel club. 'Reproduction rate' ? Seriously ?? What a disgusting mentality bro.
Its not the kid's faulty if he is born into a muslim family where his father has 5 wives. Its their culture, its their right. Deal with it and grow a pair.

Its high time you kids are given a proper secular neutral teachings in schools, else forget about united India we wont even have an united Banking system.


How many Pakistani friends do you have if any ? Have you ever met a muslim and not looked at him in a conspicuous way ?

Then what did you mean by this statement then "In fact the U.S. has not invaded a country now in quite some time, a few years at least. We could sweep through India and all those other countries easily. Then greater India would have a lot more territory, but it would be called the United States."

You were talking about invading a country and making Indians your servants while he is talking about mutual consent of those countries and uniting them (which for obvious reasons I don't support).

Well I've had many Muslim friends and most of them had 3-4 brothers and sisters. If you think that terms like "reproduction rate" can only be used for dogs and animals ,then your mentality is disgusting, not mine. I used that term with utter respect  ::) .
Also i never said its the kids fault if he is born into a family where his father has 5 wives(you are reading too much between the lines), but it will be his fault if he further marries 5 more women and keeps on producing kids until all his women become infertile.
It would be more appropriate if schools start teaching Muslims to reproduce less, than teaching people like me to become 'secular'.

I'm sorry but I don't get your logic. You want to increase the number of countries so that people can have their own identities? If that's the case then those smaller countries would have less citizens and would be easier to invade then and it would be a bigger problem then as the citizens would be slaves of the invader. It would be like 'Divide and Rule'.

We have 196 countries as of now and I don't want the number to increase just because one can choose his/her leader/ruler.

Another islamaphobic. A muslims is only allowed to marry upto 4 women.

Why Muslims birth rate is higher than Hindus* is because we have strict rules which prevent us from unnecessary sex and unnecessary abortions but Hindus don't follow these and most women don't have children and/or will be aborted. It should be more appropriate if school start teaching moral values and self respect to Hindus. :)

* I said Hindu as you compare Muslims with Hindus.

Legendster took an example of a man having 5 wives. Thanks for correcting it though.
"strict rules which prevent us from unnecessary sex " ? Huh? Really?
Just check out this video http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x5_aj3iio0I . You guys haven't even left animals and you claim to have strict rules preventing you from unnecessary sex.
And prevention is better than cure, so who the hell stopped you guys from taking precautions while having sex?
And "most" Hindu women don't have children? Where have you been lately? Mars? They do have children but ofc less than what you guys have.

See what I meant by Pakistan being one of the big hurdles ??

This is exactly what has happened to us for CENTURIES. Misinformation, misconception, misunderstandings, etc etc

One tries to dream of unification, while a hindu points his dick at a muslim and a muslim points his beard at a hindu, seriously get over this petty argument of which religion is better because none are.

We have avoided each other like uneducated people avoid touching HIV+ people.

Ok. I thought you know about it.

How many of that videos are true? Do you think that video is true? There are many such videos in internet and the titles are "sister and brother", "son and mom", "mom and daughter", "father and daughter" etc... How many of these are true? You can't rely on such uploaded videos. We can hardly tell which is real and which is act.

Hindu abortions are high and it makes Hindu population less because of less birth rate and because of unsafe abortions, deaths are increasing too. There are many reasons for abortions including human trafficking, teen age love, unsafe sex, gender bias etc. Because of this, illegal abortion centres are mushrooming in almost every city. When a woman gets pregnant out of social permissions or wedlocks she turns to these illegal centres for abortions. Abortions not only harms her body but also affects her psychologically. And this mental stress lead her to many other diseases.

* The above reasons also apply to Muslims and other women.

Hmm... it can happen. Look at Lebanon.  A few decades ago, some 70% of the population there was Christian (mostly Maronite, with Greeks and Armenians forming the rest) and 25% was Muslim. Now the population is like 70% Muslim and 25% Christian, achieved as a result of years of civil war, in which the Christians were deliberately targeted.

So what do you want? You want a prostitute to have kids? Or a teen girl who cannot even care for herself to have a child? Or do you want a couple who are not ready for a child to have one?
Abortion in these cases is still better than having children.

And this video was shot by a drone flying over some area of Levite, and this video is real(AFAIK U.S army have themselves confirmed it) , and lol this is way too different from "mother son" and "brother sister" porn clips.

This is plausible.


I am not trying to force kids to have kids. I told about "unnecessary sex" which leads to many problems.

If you check description, you can see "Published on Nov 21, 2013US drone captured this disturbing video about Wahhabi terrorist gang-rape a goat!". They don't even follow Islam, then how can they be Muslims?

Cause they are the kind of Muslims I don't want in our nation and at least I consider them to follow Islam and I don't how know how many of such people are there I Pakistan, and I would never want them to come to India.

We're Indians right ? The nation that Gandhi freed from the Britts with non violence ?

Why did a 'KID' blew off his hand while in a MOVING TRAIN today with a freaking grenade ? Why did Nirvaya get brutally gang raped and then killed ? and guess what our HINDU religion promoted Sati system for hundreds of years and still now in remote villages 8 year old KIDS are married off to old men.

The thing is, it is not religion or a particular religion which promotes a misdeed, its the human society that uses religion as a cloak to commit such crimes and point fingers. Like it or not those kind of people are already here in our country and they are not particularly muslim, they have been here for a long time, you cant 'Filter' your population based on religion then that would be STUPID.

You want a better India? then abolish all religion here, exile everyone that follows a diety / god or goes to a temple or mosque.

We Hindus are so stupid that we went to the streets with swords and lathis to tear down posters of a movie which criticized our religion, we are THAT IGNORANT here. Religion made us that way.

Open your mind for once and ask yourself what if your parents were muslim ? What if you were teased in school as a terrorist ? What if people looked at you awkwardly whenever a 9/11 or 26/11 debate arose. You are a human first THEN a Hindu.

I want vote, why not can vote me ?

You mean you cant vote on the poll ? Maybe cuz you're still a newbie on this forum ??

Those things happened hundreds of years ago. They are not going on now. Even in Europe people used to get married when they were 12 or 13 years old. The Hindu religion (and most of the other religions) has transformed itself, dumping barbaric rituals such as Sati and child marriage. But there are a few sects in world where these things are going on even now. And none of these sects are Hindu.

Yes. Newbies can't vote. You can vote when you become Jr. Member. See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178608.0.

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That's not true. Hindu sects also are included in child marraige.

The thing is, all the neighbors around India have an anti India sentiment these days. Specially Pakistan which even have a silent movement called Ghazwatul Hind where the muslims take over India and establish some kind of Muslim rule here.

The chinese have increased their border reinforcements and have built roads and train networks throughout the Himalayan border with us as if it was getting ready for a war.

Burma have always been kind of hostile towards us and are the leading reason for which a large part of our North East still remains under developed.

So if United India were to ever happen, the first thing we would need to do would be to educate an entire generation about each other, about our shared cultural and geographical histories. Off course our differences have been magnified over the last century but if only we could open up to each other then everyone would find out that we have a lot more in common than what we previously thought.

Dude this why I say people should first educate themselves about a topic before they speak of it.

Sati system is still a burning issue, a few years ago a Sati issue was raised in the paper when a woman in Rajasthan was put on the pyre ALIVE with her husband. The last official sati was Roop Kanwar which was JUST 28 years ago.

And underage marriage ? Dude my own mother's young sister was married off at the age of 7. It is still a very much active issue. People are either marrying off their young underage daughters or killing them (before & after birth) or simply abandoning them in DUMPSTERS. Irrespective of their religion.

Every religion at one point of time or the other promoted child marriage.

See how much misinformation is spread through our veins ? We must first eradicate this.

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In fact the U.S. has not invaded a country now in quite some time, a few years at least. We could sweep through India and all those other countries easily. Then greater India would have a lot more territory, but it would be called the United States.
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I love this line. So true

I love this line. So true
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You know what's even true-er ?? If one Call center here went on strike 5% of the US population would starve to death.

You whats more true-er than that ? The fighter jets that we ordered from the US which essentially pulled US out of their 08 crisis, we could use those same jets to obliterate your state of California.

You wanna love something even true-er than that ? our gravies taste better than your mustard sauces.

But we shouldnt forget one fact. Religion is stupid. It is fake, it is a form of mind control, a form of herding the sheep. That sheep is the common man, every religion had one agenda and no it was not 'peace', it was the illusion of peace through fear and subjugation.

Hindu, muslim, sikh, Buddhists, Jains, Tengris (lol) all are and were ALWAYS Indians.
They just started believing in different imaginary concepts at different points in time thats all.


This was good also

You know what's even true-er ?? If one Call center here went on strike 5% of the US population would starve to death. - funny, but it's bull shit

You whats more true-er than that ? The fighter jets that we ordered from the US which essentially pulled US out of their 08 crisis, we could use those same jets to obliterate your state of California.

1) What fighter jets?, that order was cancelled. India couldn't rely on USA politically so it doesn't make sense to buy military equipment from them. 2) There may have been laws associated with them from carrying Nuclear weapons. I don't really care, I don't think America deserved that deal anyway. India can trust Russia and they came to its aid when Reagan snubbed Indira Gandhi. Last I heard India was trying to do a deal with France for the Rafale and we all know India loves their MIGs. But this is all moot, because Indian politicians all have their hand in the kitty and the corruption is so rampant only a bloody revolution can solve the problem. Let's not froget India doesn't even have enough bullets to fight a war, especially if it needs to fight China for another loss.

You wanna love something even true-er than that ? our gravies taste better than your mustard sauces. - I can't argue with that

The British are owed a lot of credit for building the train infrastructure in India, giving India English and building pretty much all the dope buildings in the country that service Government. Too bad the Indian Railway system is in shambles.

I can say this, I love India and I can see you do too,  but don't be blinded bro it only sets us back.

Looks suspiciously like Empire building to me, so no thanks, I am against that kind of plan on principle because I am an Anarchist. If you want to form a defensive alliance maybe to prevent yourself being picked on by superpowers then sure that makes sense, but turning that whole landmass into one state? No thanks.

agree. if anything we need zero boundaries

Well you just parroted the sentiment of 1940-50 America / UK.
Watch this interview of VK Krishna Menon from that era :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ylzRZA5-zs

It has always been the same mentality used against India "If you're not with us, then surely you are against us"

Its high time you white-breds (racist much ?) pull your heads out of your asses & stop thwarting what we stand for.

Never said that what Hindus do is all correct. We are equally wrong in many of our stupid acts and I still see Indian Muslims as nice and good human beings. But why do you want to merge us with the animals?

Assuming that you are an American, do you still have the rights to criticize the act of "Empire Building"?

Boooo! Racist! Booooo! :D That's fucking fantastic.

More like you're using that logic by claiming that anybody who disagrees with you is a racist, I gave you my reasoning, I'm against Empire building, you're basically trying to claim the colonisation of entire peoples is a good thing and I find that heavily ironic given us British went and took over a good chunk of that continent along with a lot of other western european powers.

Didn't you learn anything from Ghandi about Imperialism and what it can do to the people being subjugated by it? You're a fucking moron, I love how there are posters here trying to claim because I'm white and British/American ( I'm actually British but go figure ) that I'm somehow not entitled to an opinion on Imperialism, you guys just lost the argument completely.

Its one thing to have an opinion, and completely another thing to be hypocrites. The US had it's own regional imperialism and look where they are today, are you saying any state that associated itself with the Americans are regretting their decisions these days?

Why is it wrong all of a sudden if Russia annexes Crimea ? Why is it wrong if India annexes Goa ? (already did) Why is it wrong for people in South asia to unite their countries that share a cultural history for the benefit of their own people ?

I am not saying that India and Papua New Guinea should unite, I am not saying that India and Australia should unite. I am only talking about the greater India region is that too hard to get through into your thick skull you bigot ?

How am I a hypocrite? Basically what you're doing is you're trying to write off an entire generation for what their ancestors did a generation or two ago, stop having such a victim complex and trying to blame me, I haven't done shit to you aside from call you out on your own bullshit. It's all wrong because innocent people get caught up in your nationalist circle jerk and you don't give a shit as long as you can take that land for yourself, you people are no better than the Nazis, calling me racist because I disagree with you is just fucking ridiculous.

Interesting to see how a discussion about United India turns into a battle between Indians vs Indians and Indians vs other countries. Sati, child marriage, religions, racism and all sorts of abusive comments being shared here. Forget uniting India with it's neighborhood countries, Indians aren't united themselves. And for heaven's sake, it's not Ghandi but Gandhi.

I don't even understand how are other countries getting affected if this Akhand Bharat unison happens? Why so much hatred for India? India doesn't have the bullets to fight any war? That's news to me. India isn't a country consisting of beggars and we may not be as rich as other countries but Indians do not believe in leaving their children at the age of 14-15 years like other foreign countries which have mostly nuclear families and their children start having live-in relationships at the age of 14-15 years. My cousins too live in Australia and there it's considered a joke if a girl doesn't have a boyfriend at the age of 13-14 years. There may be crimes taking place here and women feeling insecure here but that's the problem with each and every country and India is not alone in this matter.


Instead of bringing down a country, look at the positives as well.

I like India's Democracy I wish we had that many parties in our country ;) and I'm not bringing down the country just stupid nationalists, insulting countries is something I reserve specifically for the UK lol :D

LOL! UK and India will always have that negativity due to past events. But not all Indians hate UK citizens because of that as there are UK stars who are acting in Bollywood as well  ;)

The fact that hurts few here are that many people suffered due to the British rule. Many women were raped and made slaves while people used to fear to leave their houses as they would be arrested if anything went wrong. My ancestors as well were their slaves and hence they shifted to Indonesia during these years.


It's time that we need to forget the past events and move on in life. Nobody profits by just digging up old matters and spreading hate. 'Live and let live' is what I believe in.

It's people like Legendster who you need to convince of that, nevermind the fact that I'm half-irish so I find it even funnier that he's lecturing me.

I am an Indian and my ancestors from both my mother's side & father's side have remained here as far as I can tell.
So with that said let me tell you something, those accounts of britts raping and pillaging are true but only to some extent, you have to remember that most of the soldiers here initially were just hired mercs here to protect the trade routes. Even then the britts were not the original traders/pillagers who cam here actually they came here the last, it was the Dutch and Portuguese that did the most pillaging & raping in the early 16th century, most bookworms would recognize the term 'The Black hole of Kolkata' which was an incident that was by some accounts under reported but had enough potency to shake things up in London that they started sanctioning royal troops to come here.

Raping & pillaging did occur, but it is exaggerated to some extent. Most of the deaths here were due to famine as Britts forced Zamindars (land lords) to produce more cash crops like Opium in turn leading to slave labor & so on. Things were particularly bad for the farmers.

Remind me what ? Why are you asking someone else to do your job ? Would you White-breds ever learn to do your own work yourself ??
I am not digging up old graves, this isnt old, in my point of view it should happen in the future. Whether the people in these region are open minded enough to look far forward into this direction is another issue.

Give it up.  India will always be a disputed zone.

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BTW, don't forget to take your 'polio' shots.

Maybe if you stopped ranting about me being white I'd be able to take you more seriously, frankly I think in this day and age the only people who have any right to rant about the 'white man' are the American Indians, not that you'd ever give a shit about them or even have any knowledge of them given that your thought process doesn't extend beyond what landmass you were born on.

The reason I'm asking him, is because you're becoming too stupid for me to talk to, you're using ancestral history as an excuse for targeting people of a certain skin colour.

Hold your horses white boy,
Yes, It doesnt matter what your opinion is about the Native Indians, fact remains that in the current age it is us who face discrimination cuz of our color, and it just goes to show everyone that how touchy the world is about color, it is ok if the avg European ginger makes some racist comment on any other skin color but oh all mighty the hell will unleash it's fiery demons that will swallow all mankind should a non white make a racist white joke.

Yes in all sense my racist remarks are nothing more than jokes which should be read with a pinch of salt. I am by default against racism of any sorts.

However it is remarkable that you Mr Irish potato, have made up your mind and convinced yourself that you know me and know what I dont know or what I do know.

The genocide the Jews faced, the native Indians faced isnt in anyway relevant to the context of this topic. If you were talking about the Burmese genocide, or the Kashmiri genocide or the Tibetan suppression then I'd be interested to hear / discuss more about it.

Are you high ?? The hell are you talking about ?

I have already added him to the ignore list, and I think you should also do the same. Don't tolerate or encourage name calling and trolling. I am of the opinion that if someone can't keep the conversation civil, then he should take his verbal diarrhoea to somewhere else. The Politics & Society subsection was created for conducting civil and friendly debates.


Having a multi-party system does have its own disadvantages. Check the performance of the UPA government from 2004 to 2014.

Classic case of bigotry. Keep it up. You kinda remind me of the kid that ends up naked on the street and closes his eyes while telling himself if only he doesnt look at everyone then no one would look at him.

So go ahead and close your eyes and pretend I dont exist :)

But just so we're clear, I am not lecturing anyone, I am just expressing my opinion, defending point of views that I strongly believe in. If any Tom, Dick or Harry can come here and be offensive to me or my country then I wont go as quietly into that good night.

I don't think it's possible for two to unite. India is so called secular state but it is rules by religious fundamentalist. Asian nations will never come out of this religious hostility. So I don't think "united india" is a good idea. It will cause problems beyond your imagination.

Can you enlighten me about at least one internal bill or law which is designed by 'religious fundamentalists' ? Or at least 1 bill or law which undermines any religion ?
I am guessing you are from India rent you ?

I also hope you noticed that the idea is about the political merger of more than just two nations.


You say that India is ruled by religious fundamentalists but you keep forgetting that no one actually rules India, it is a democracy not a monarchy.

legendster? shiv sena and the beef ban?

Shiv sena to me is what the republic of Texas is to the Americans.
Democracy in its design is meant for the masses, IF the majority of people here are not so open minded about beef business then such a business will not happen, but the fact that they had to 'create a ban' simply implies that such businesses were thriving here and were hurting the religious sentiments of a few old school powerful people.
The beef ban is a 'thing' for some politicians to stay relevant to their far right mentality and nothing more.

Think about it, in a country filled with farmers and inconsistent soil composition through out it's geography things like 'beef ban' can only be a passing phase. It literally makes the poor more poorer by reducing their income opportunities. Cattle is by far the most common livestock followed by sheep and pigs and when the cultivation fails the farmers HAVE to turn to the beef market - which they have been doing for a long time. As far as I can remember the beef ban was in Maharashtra only, not the entire country.
Despite this little popularity stunt of a political party, India is still one of the largest beef exporters to China, Japan and pretty much to the rest of the world.

can't disagree with anything you just said. i will only add that historically beef was what has sustained the poorest class in this country. they need protein just like everyone else. i think this is just a phase. even modi has not jumped on any of these right wing bandwagons.

one more thing..., texas is a bad comparison to make IMHO

i am from karnataka, but i look at maharashtra as the new york of india, that is why i was surprised by this ban. texas is more like bihar if anything

It would make sense to unite all the english speaking parts of SE Asia into a free-trade, free-movement Union.

I'm from Pakistan.
No matter how secular Indian/Pakistani governments are masses will always be "religious fundamentalist". Main reason for division was this religious prejudice.

If you look at Maharashtra as the New York STATE of India then you'd be grossly mistaken. Maharashtra only has a few cities which are of 'world standards' as compared to New York state there are some striking similarities to both these states however.

Regardless,

To me Shiv sena / CITU / Forward Blocks are all 'phase parties' they come up out of nowhere all of a sudden with their extreme right / left mentality create a bit of stir & then they disappear just as fast as they appeared.

If you wanna compare the texan separatist mentality then it can be compared to the random isolated separatists movements of Andhra Pradesh / Telangana / Kashmir / Hyderabad / Gorkhaland / Nagaland every country has these kinds of internal political stunts without which the people behind these movements feel 'ignored' .. these politicians are more like those hormone fueled teenagers who stomp out of their parent's room threatening to leave the house if a certain 'I-Pod' isnt bought.

Agreed, but maybe not to just the 'English Speakers' South Asia was ruled by the French, Dutch, Portuguese, Japanese, German (in China), prior to making any kind of pro merger political party they must make strengthen the trade relations, attempts have been made by forming an organization called SAARC, but Civics books in Junior High schools teach children that SAARC is a failed concept & nothing more.

Haha you just helped me prove my point yet again, MOST of you guys know nothing about us and MOST of us know next to nothing about you and since the 'empty head is home to the devil' we come up with these weird misconceptions about each other.
For your information, Pakistani government is not secular, it was never meant to be, when the division happened it was thought that Pakistan was a separate country founded on the basis of providing home to a religious minority community it wasnt decided then that it'd become an islamic state, however your governments chose to side with the middle east and against Indian government & then turned into an islamic state.
Even to this day the power struggle between Rawalpindi and Islamabad turns deadly at a moment's notice and who suffers ? its us the common people.

Its not that hard to google videos and see what the kids in the schools of Pakistan are taught about the Indian government and the Indians in general, its systematic brainwash fueled by a national identity crisis and the only way I see that getting fixed is by removing the factor which started this whole fiasco viz-a-viz the partition.

This would be something which should aspired for. India does have trade agreements with various countries. This can be extended to make it a giant free trade zone. If we can't have free trade across the world, we should at least have a substantial block which is a free trade zone.

Free movement will be a big challenge. Most countries wouldn't want the poor of other countries to migrate. Checking terrorists/fundamentalists from crossing over is also a big problem.

Secularism will never take roots in Indian society. The mindset of most Indians is this way. There is news every other day about religious prejudices faced by muslims in India. Pakistan government on the other hand does not make any false claim of secularism as it's not literally possible in subcontinent.

Muslims face religious prejudice in India? What about the Hindus and Christians who are living in Pakistan or Afghanistan? Are they enjoying their life without any discrimination? In India, the only group which faces discrimination is the Hindus. They were driven out of Kashmir, they were nearly exterminated in Mizoram, and it is close to impossible for a Hindu to obtain a residence permit in the Lakshadweep.

Are you out of your mind? Hindus were driven out of Kashmir? Get your facts straight. Kashmir was and is a Muslim majority and over 80% want to join Pakistan but Kashmir was taken over by force by Indian Army killing and raping thousands of people and they are still living as slaves from 60 years. Why don't the so called largest democracy in world hold referendum and give the people their freedom?
This is one of the many reasons Pakistan will never join Hindu's India.

No. I am not out of my mind. I just happen to be better informed, when compared to you.

Yes. Kashmir is / was a majority Muslim region. But it was never a 100% Muslim area. Kashmir always had a multi-religious population, until 1947. In 1947, the Pakistani Army occupied 40% of the area and the Indian Army occupied some 60%.

All the non-Muslims in the Pakistan occupied Kashmir were exterminated soon after the Pak army invaded the area in 1947. Now, out of a population of 7.5 million, there are ZERO non-Muslims. (Around 25% were non-Muslims in 1947).

Even in the Indian part, all the Hindus and other non-Muslims of Central Kashmir (some 300,000 in total) were expelled by the Pak-backed terrorists in 1989. Those who remained (a few thousand) were massacred, raped and subjected to crimes against humanity.

And who told that 80% of the population of Indian Kashmir want to join Pakistan? Some 35% of the population is non-Muslim and they have no intention to join Pak.

You prove my point. In Indian secular democracy 65% majority non-hindu population in a region have no right of plebiscite and freedom of speech/expression.
This percentage was far greater in past. India plan to continue the mass killings to further reduce this percentage before holding referendum a few decades later(before they complete their target).

Did I ever said that all the Muslims in Indian administered Kashmir favor joining Pakistan? They don't. Indian administered Kashmir is divided in to 3 regions: Central Kashmir, Jammu and Ladakh. Central Kashmir is almost 100% Muslim (after the exodus of the native Hindus) and a majority of the Muslims there favor either joining Pakistan or independence.

The situation is different in the other 2 regions. In Jammu (around 70% Hindu and Sikh), both the Hindus and Muslims are in favor of remaining in India. The same situation is applicable to the Buddhist majority Ladakh as well.


No. India is composed of 29 states and 7 union territories. In every single one out of these 36 federal subjects, the (proportion of ) Muslim population is increasing. In India as a whole, the percentage of Muslims have increased from 9.8% in 1951, to 14.88% in 2011.

In Indian administered Kashmir, the proportion of Muslims have increased from 64.2% in 1981, to 68.30% in 2011.

Writing stuff in Bold and spreading FUD would never help you prove a point - which - to begin with - is baseless.

What IS clear to me is the fact that you are a completely misinformed being and a product of the modern systematic brainwash and you will not change your mindset over an internet forum discussion.
Whoever said that there are 'mass killings' in J&K to you must be a separatist with the sole propaganda of diving The Greater India into further isolated parts. You can already see the condition of the people in Pakistan - Occupied - Kashmir (POK / Azad Kashmir) the only people who seemed to have benefit from that occupation are the greedy politicians - which is a nice way to put it.
To me, it sounds like this :

WHEN :

• Terrorists and separatists infiltrate a poorly administrated border
• People get massacred by the said terrorists and separatists
• People live in constant fear of being shelled upon by heavy artillery
• The said terrorists & separatists pose a serious national threat to the security and the well being of the common people and the national integrity

THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD :

• Hand over the border control to the terrorists and separatists
• Give plebiscite to a disputed area where the terrorists have already infiltrated and successfully created a separatist mentality
• Let the proponents win who want the country to be divided among communal lines
• Leave the people there defenseless against a bigger terrorist invasion threat by withdrawing forces

LOL

If that is what you are saying then you are indeed a wacko out of your mind and hey its not your fault.
It is well documented that people in China idolize Mao Zhedong despite his numerous atrocities upon the poor.
It is a well known fact that people in North Korea think that their leaders are 'gods' who can influence weather with their moods.

Its all a product of systematic brainwash based upon misinformation and misconception which is far far away from the truth. Maybe I should start a thread discussing how to reverse this type of brainwashing prior to discussing the future of Akhand Bharat.

I actually have a few friends in Azad kashmir, mere college students in the Mirpur university and you'd be surprised to know what their point of views are towards the whole Kashmir issue between India & pakistan.


But its best if we look past this stupid argument, I have always believed that not only POK or the rest of Kashmir; but my entire country belongs to every Pakistani, just like the entire Pakistan belongs to every Indian. The division was supposed to END the tensions but it has only increased it, prior to that there was no tension in these parts.

Truth be told in today's Pakistan where the majority of the population is muslim, still is one of the most oppressed population in the entire world. Nothing that the public wants there is heard by the government.

Before the Mumbai incident and the Laden incident it was only the Indian government that had a bone to pick with the Pakistani government and now EVERYONE AGREES.

When will you guys open your eyes and see that when everyone around you starts pointing the finger at you maybe the problem isnt with everyone but its really YOU.

Its high time that people take power in their hands and overthrow this oppressive Paki govt that fuels terrorism and remove this border once & for all. Only then we can move forward towards the dream of Akhand Bharat.

This post topic 1891 views now. Which reminds me of the 1891 census of the Britts conducted in India.
By then the sense of division was already created, it wasnt 'British administered India' anymore but rather 'India' 'Pakistan' 'Bangladesh' & 'Burma'

You are putting forward a very stupid reason to not hold plebscite. You agree that clear majority of Kashmirs want to join Pakistan but you are calling them terrorists for their choice.
You do not have any logical justification to defend "not holding referendum" and "suppressing freedom of speech". I won't even mention othee atrocities.

RIP Akhand Bharat.
We separated from Hindus India for such reasons. No matter how hard India tries to weaken Pakistan in a hope that it joins India again; such dreams will never come true. Pakistan is world's 6th most powerful nuclear power and will deal with all internal and external problems no matter how hard they be.

Ask around and find out if I am putting forward a very stupid reason or not the entire world is on the same page as me, maybe not on the reunion part but at least the part where it is Pakistani fueled terrorism.
You cant even name any ONE atrocity because there have been none, yes there have been isolated incidents which have been blown out of proportion and fingers have been raised but the whole point of this post is to look beyond the petty squabbling that both of our nation have been doing.

You can keep banging the old 'nuclear power' band over & over again the truth is in this region we are the big dogs and we have never waived our nuclear superiority flag over your heads.

'Heads' reminds me how about that incident last year where your army behead a couple of Indian soldiers ? Are you going to justify that ? IF you do then that would be enough to show the typical anti India mentality which has been seared into your brains.

You want us to take the terrorists demands seriously, you want us to enter discussion with a group of people that never belonged in India and have recently migrated from Pakistan into India driving the natives away and you want us to hand over a part of our country to them ? Why dont you guys hand over the northwestern parts of your country to Taliban ?

I'll tell you why, because where there is a separatist threat from a foreign influence you first make sure you remove any outside influence, you make sure that you first gain full control of that part of the disputed area where people 'allegedly' would want to disassociate from a nation, you would then try to address the people's demand to see if you can make them happy by providing them security, jobs, education, food, administration, infrastructure to build the next generation.

After all this when the extremists are dealt with, when people can think for themselves and decide what's best for themselves now and in the coming future THEN you will hold a fair referendum or election or whatever that would give the REAL INHABITANTS OF THE AREA the power to decide what they REALLY want.

That would be the only way. Thats what you should do with your northwestern taliban controlled areas and thats what we will do with our disputed areas.

Seriously, which normal person in their right mind want to be associated with a country that harbored OSAMA BIN LADEN ?? Both of our countries gained independence at the same time, we both had faced each other in multiple wars & stand offs but look at where Pakistan is after 68 years of Independence and look at where India is.

India is not the poster boy of a post colonial self rule success story, we've had our problems but we've dealt with it maturely, we didnt stomp our foot on the ground and didnt send terrorists to some other country to kill innocent people in an international hotel.

NOTHING can be gained by being mean to each other lets stop the di.ck pointing & lets once again reunite under one flag, it wouldnt be a Hindu country, or a buddhist country or a muslim country it would be the land of the free people.

Surely you may not share the same point of view but please dont insult the views that I believe in.

Sad to hear that JUI-F Chief Maulana Fazlur Rehman in Pakistan blamed women in jeans as the reason for 'Earthquakes'.

He also said that the military will now take 'action' against women who prefer western fashion.

I don't think that anyone with a normal mental state in India would like to merge the two nations. If India, Pakistan and Bangladesh merge to form a single country, then Hindus will be a minority. Once that happens, what happened in Pakistan 70 years ago, and what is happening in Bangladesh right now will occur in India - the genocide of the Hindus.

LoL. Noone is wanting to join you again. And deal with internal and external problems themselves?  You wont be able to buy even basic warfare machinery if you stop getting external grants, beggars. You don't even produce enough food to feed yourself, and you are talking about handling internal problems yourself 😂

Nobody gives a damn about JUI-F chief Fazlul Rahman - one of the most corrupt and hypocrite leader in world. Most Pakistanis hate him. He has a cult following in a few backward areas of militancy hit province KPK. We are looking forward to a progressive and peaceful Pakistan with equal rights for all citizens unlike so-called Secular India which hits news like people being declined jobs for being Muslims or not allowed to rent an apartment for being Muslim daily.

The lady who claimed to not get an apartment on rent lately in the news was a liar. People often claim this when the reason is either they disagree with the rent amount or don't want to pay the money. Yes, there are some buildings which don't allow Muslims to stay there because they fear any conflicts between Hindus and Muslims. That case is even in Pakistan where few Hindus were forced to leave the country and were harassed for year in that country.

Muslims get jobs everywhere and that claim is false that they don't get jobs. My boss is a Muslim in a Hindu company  ::)

I don't know why you dislike India so much but problems exist in every country and India is certainly not the worst country in this regard.

India does have vast discrimination.

I certainly don't hate India but we are discussing the reasons why "Akhand Bharat" is not possible. I understand these problems are prevalent in whole subcontinent - not just Pakistan or India. This is the point I'm trying to make.

Lol.. Is it possible even to compare the situation of Muslims in India to that of Hindus in Pakistan? I am not a permanent resident of either India or Pakistan. But still, I regularly travel to India. I have spoken to many Indian Muslims, and most of them claim that they face hardly any harassment in India. Can the same be said about the Hindus in Pakistan?

In news muslim destroy Hindu temple in Pakistan but I agree border vanish good for us common people. Hate crime eats normal people make rich more rich.

But this discrimination is not the worst compared to all other countries. Where I am living, I haven't seen any problems with respect to religion but it may be the case in other states (but it hasn't been reported in the news that any major incident has happened). If we consider UK, my friend said that there is a terrible discrimination with regards to the color and Indians are mostly treated badly in London (where my friend lives). In other countries the problems are far more worse that we can imagine. It's similar with Hindus in Pakistan. There have been reports that they are iltreated there.

Really? How can you even compare Pakistan to India? You have been "looking" for equal rights and peaceful progression since last 60 years, and you'll keep on "looking forward" to it for more hundreds of years. No matter what you claim but India in terms of secularism, peace and in terms of equal rights is far more better than Pakistan. Man, you guys cannot even successfully conduct a cricket series in your nation and you are talking about self dependence,peaceful progression and crap.

So after reading about some of the appalling views and perception of my country from this thread; I decided to make this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1079338.0) new thread much more fun and engaging.


Express your perception of INDIA in ONE WORD.

Native inhabitants of England might disagree with you. Some of the British friends of mine have complained that in some parts of the cities such as Oldham, Burnley, and Bradford, there are "No go" areas for whites. And regarding London, the Inner boroughs are around two-thirds non-white. I don't think that the minority race group will discriminate the majority there.

Reviving this.

Please watch this video of Ex Cricketer and current Pakistani politician; Imran khan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJwyCuDqv58

An idea of union or being united is easy to think but hard to follow through.

U see, when there is internal peace and stability, one can look forward to grow.

check the news... these internal politics at the capital of India ... how can we think of getting that formal united India back when we are divinded among ourselves..

Like I said watch the video. Mr Khan talks about these pesky issues. To quote him 'A man does not become great with just his talents or qualifications, he becomes great when he has a great vision'.

I completely agree with Mr Khan's viewpoint here, he clearly says that if India and Pakistan are to move forward and have sustained peace then there needs to be a leader that has a great vision for both these countries. Obviously there will be a vested interest in keeping the things as they are currently and there will be opposition and challenges to overcome if one is to go up against the status-quo.
But to overcome these small pesky hurdles and look beyond what our countries can achieve in the future if they work together is beyond anything that anyone of us can comprehend.

He talks about open borders and letting India access Central Asia through Pakistan and that is a HUGE statement coming from a pakistani politician.

In my opinion, free trade and open borders and joint policing and administration of Kashmir would be a huge leap forward. Keep in mind Mr Khan did NOT talk about this joint administration thing its just my thought.

Lol... a Union state consisting of India (1,300 million), Pakistan (190 million) and Bangladesh (160 million) will be the most populous nation in the earth, with 1.65 billion residents. Surprisingly, the Hindus will still be the majority, with a population of 1,032 million (62.34% of the population), followed by Muslims at 520 million (31.38%) and Christians at 35.5 million (2.14%).

Why do you keep categorizing India as a Hindu country? That in itself shows how much (or less) you know about the ground reality here.

That won't happen. At least not in the foreseeable future. India, Pakistan and Bangladesh (+Burma and Sri Lanka) are not just accidentally broke up. There are too deep religious, cultural, historic and ethnic rifts between these people. The only way to keep such a huge and diverse mass of people together is an external coercive factor.

India is a Hindu country, since 80% of the population adheres to that religion. By the same logic, Malaysia is a Muslim country, since 60% of the population there is Muslim, and Russia is a Christian country since around three-fifth of the population there is Christian. And don't teach me about the ground reality in India. I am a regular visitor to India, and I have family connections.

If Pakistan and Bangladesh couldn't stay together in spite of being bound by the same religion, then there is no way such diverse countries could unite.  :)

Well looks like you have some deep engraved confusion about the difference between demographics and how a country like India ticks. Yes we have a predominant hindu population but you are over looking the fundamental fact which is the cornerstone of our constitution. India is secular which is the separation of state and religion. This is not England where the states used to be run by some brothel building churches.

Let me give you a brief history of why Bangladesh did not stay united with Pakistan, before the partition of Bengal (not India) there were many hindus living in Bangladesh, so much that the ratio between the hindus and muslims was 3:2 that is for every 2 Hindus there were 3 Muslims. This was a very poor choice by - yet another Englishman playing boss over the native population.

After independence the Pakistani elites were trying to enforce once language all over their country which really started the friction between the poor bengalis and the elite pakistanis. This was followed by very violent ethnic cleansing of the Hindus. Someone had to pay for these atrocities, and if not Pakistan then who?

The fact that despite having a religious majority pakistanis could not keep their country united is the case and point. Religious majority plays a very insignificant role if at all when it comes to keeping a country united.

Pakistan and Bangladesh are pretty far from each other with no common border, also different ethnic groups and different culture, so a split between the two wasn't a big surprise, I guess.

More interesting and worrying thing is that Pakistan itself seems to have problems with keeping itself together as the Taliban and now IS establishing themselves on the western part of the country.

They've always been there, large parts of north eastern areas have always been unadministered barren lands which have been sporadically occupied by pashton nomads. It only became a "problem" when Pakistani government declared war against terror in the early 2000's. Which had to happen at some point eventually.

Ever since Pakistan became an independent nation, the political power has remained with the ethnic Punjabi community, who contitute for a little over 50% of the population. The other ethnic groups (Pashtuns, Mohajirs, Saraikis, Sindhis, Baloches, Brahuis, Kohistanis.etc) have been living under the Punjabi dominance, and they are not very happy about it.

Merry Christmas.

A very recent investigative approach from CNN IBN a news channel in India reported and recorded these angry crowd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvsi-yPmmwo

Whoever says people in POK are safe and that India is the reason for the people's dismay, make them watch this video.

THIS is the ground reality, people yelling and wanting to be reunited with India.


Inka baap bhi dega AZADI!!

#HellinPOK!

Political power ? Here is Hina Rabbani saying how little the political powers in Pakistan really are.
She admits how weak their democratic government really is and how Pakistan has not even enjoyed a decade in a proper democratically elected political body since it's independence!

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/headtohead/2015/12/rules-pakistan-151201112941549.html

Yes she is hot. Yes I will consider marrying her.

It is true. Pakistan is a democratic country only on the outside. In reality, it is a military dictatorship. The Prime Minister and President does not have much control over sectors such as Defense and foreign affairs. All these are under the control of the military chiefs. And when the elected officials cross the red line, the army disposes them, just like what happened to Nawaz Sharif.

Very rarely do you see Pakistani PMs completing their terms.
They either get deposed or executed.  ;D

There is no outside they ARE a military dictatorship. There have been recent changes in the way that military power translates into laws but in the end it's just US that has constantly USED the pakistany army to do their dirty work.

And sitting from your chair somewhere not IN the region you are free to speculate it doesn't change the ground realities.

Military dictatorship needs to go. The democratically elected bodies may have a hostile stance when it comes to Kashmir but other than that they are ready to work towards peace. It's like Mr Imran Khan said.. "there are enormous dividends of peace." If they dont adhere to the peace then look at that last video link which I posted people are OUT on the streets wanting to return to a state of peace and they are wanting the borders to be diluted.

That is understandable. The Pakistani Prime Ministers and the other elected officials are just puppets of the army. So they are expected to obey whatever orders which are given to them. When they refuse to obey these orders and rebel, then the army will just kick them out, or worse eliminate them. It has been the case for the last 70-years or so, and in the near future also it will stay like that.

How exactly are you coming to that conclusion? You can't see the future can you? By your response I can clearly see you dont even know the current constitutional amendments in Pakistan.

I don't think that akhand bharat or the united india will happen again. Once the glass is broken, hearts is broken for any reason any benefits, its really very hard to fix it or stick together. Already its broken into pieces. Due to several reason, politics, religious issues with each other. First they need to short out their personnel problems.

Being someone from India and someone who's ancestral family line HAS been affected by the partition, I can tell you this, there would be nothing better for the future of India than an united India. Yes offcourse tensions are there, I mean the partition DID happen for a reason after all and if you've read through all these posts you would know that not everything was as clean as it may seem to an outsider. We do need to 'SORT' it out but that sorting out won't happen without cultural interactions.

That is a foregone conclusion. India and Pakistan are like arch-rivals right now. Currently it is even difficult to imagine the scenario in which Pakistan merge with India, to create this "Akhand Bharat" utopia. The only possibility of a merger will arise, when India becomes a Muslim majority nation. And that will take quite a lot of time (probably not before AD 2100).

I agree with the subject that Akhand bharat united india. But it might happen when they start talking with each other about the benefits of united nation. Otherwise if there is war. Then those who wins they can rule other nation too.

There wouldn't be a winner. They are both nuclear powers. It would be a disaster. And even if nuclear weapons weren't used the conflict would spread throughout the region. And other countries would back either side maybe leading to world war. By the way, was just watching this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON-6vyQugw4 funny but both sides need to bring it down a little.

That is a show more than anything. Not all border guards have such.. lets say performances. But its something of national pride and something no outsider would understand.

Secondly, why would India have to become a muslim majority to unite with Pakistan? Pakistan was made to be a secular state?
Hyderabad united with India and still the majority religion didn't change, Sikkim and manipur were united with Indian Union.. we didnt change to budhism. Did we?

The 'idea' of India is to be the largest secular democracy in the world a country ruled by the people, for the people and a gov. made OF the people. To say any one person or a religious community would have influence over the another would be.. idiotic to say the least.

The 'idea' of Akhand Bharat is not an utopian fantasy, it was a land that actually existed before the seeds of communal violence were sown here. The idea does not propagate a single religious authority, maybe the RSS' version of Akhand Bharat does, but MY Akhand Bharat's idea is of a land that is united by tradition, culture and history. Definitely not by who has the biggest D.. I mean nuke arsenal.