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i still can't believe why madrid failed to winning champions league title this season. with galacticos team and best coach, how can they lost against juventus. but wait, i just realized, is the curse work again at this season? yeah we have known there is an absolute curse, which the last season winning team can't be a champion again for next season. this happening from 1992/1993 season until now. yeah this season victim is real madrid. as a gambler, do you believe in this curse?

I lost too last night :( Too bad i didn't follow tipster advice here :(
We all saw Real Madrid last three matches are very bad on perform, especially on midfielder.
Lose Modric on injury is key factor here, their performance after this is so bad

But as a gambler, i didn't believe on curse or something like that :D
What i believe is Real Madrid played bad and they are eliminated on UCL this season.
They are not unbeatable teams and everything can happen on Football :)

Juventus record vs Real Madrid is very good
I still can't believe Real Madrid can break the record even though their team is worth more than half a billion dollars.

Yeah, I lost 0.533 btc on RM, I should bet draw no bet on RM, the odds was 1.24, but I was so confident RM would win, but it failed, I am a Germany and Rm fan, Italia national team and Italian broke my heart many times, especially in 2006 World cup. And yesterday it happened again, I hate defensive football style. >:(

I hope Barcelona will beat Juventus.

Yeah R.Madrid players really poor last match and this season Juventus has very good record in UEFA champion league.
I just watched didn't bet  ;D



Yess Barcelona will beat Juventus with MSN attacking!!

Nah I don't believe in these kind of curse.
Bale has wasted a couple of chances while Buffon has made several great saves last night, and that brings Juventus to the final.

yeah juventus played so good and as a madridista i hope they can beat barca in the final  :D


I still can't forget how Del Piero made a nice free goal kick on 2008 and he got standing ovation from Santiago Bernabeu spectators when he was subtituted out.

yeap and i bet bale to scored, maybe that was a very bad decision i have ever chosen  :(

maybe we didn't believe that but the curse still continue until now and my questions is why the champion last season cant
be the champion for the next season? and that happen over 20 years

Yesterday, with Real Madrid - Juventus (i'm italian) i have lost 9 of 10 bet, all to real madrid win, more of 2,5 - morwe of 3,5 - more of 4,5 ecc

The truth is real weren't that good a team this year.  Bale is low on confidence - in order to get the best of bale he has to play a free role, ronaldo had a quiet game, they also missed modric in midfield.

Madrid have a best coach of course not, i think allergi is genius. And ancelloti why he change benzema after first half. Its a big fault

Ancelloti doesnt seem the same standard as mourinho.  Anyone in charge of real madrid is going to have great success lets not forget they are the richest club in the world.

Add to the mix the above awesome goal keeper and there you have it folks, no curse just football and the better team won on the day. Even if they did manage to beat Juventus they would have been destroyed by Barcelona in the final curse or no curse. Which there isn't or wasn't lol

This juventus team reminds me of how chelsea won the CL in 2012 and how inter won before them - very solid and grind out results.  The final will be also barca in possession with juventus looking to nick 1 goal.  So a great bet would be juventus 1-0 or barca 3-0 or 4-0 etc.

Money dont play

And Real is playing really poor football,watch Bayern analogy it is very similar

Now the best what thay can do is sale bale and buy buck Morata,higher price

Thay will have ban on transfer from 2016 ,maybe that will heal them

The truth is,Sport doesnt metter it is about money .Buy player for big money,make noise,and sale his image,gadgets for huge money,money game that is all
gambling

Face the fact and forget about it, they were playing horribly last night especially Bale


The best team in the world is not a guarantee that they will win the whole title for the season especially if most of their key players are on injury


Juventus are slightly better and of course luckier


There is no such curse to believe in. The fact would be that Real Madrid was too proud of themselves and they thought that they could beat up Juventus that affect their whole gameplay as you can see that they are not playing as aggresive as the usual

P.S : this could be the reason why the previous champion got this what you call as a "curse" as well. If you are too proud with yourself, than that is the point where you will fall


No kidding, NO. As a sportsbook gambler I believe in Statistic and only bet on the most possible outcome for the game. Last match earned me a small amount through the booking odds though

No curse guys but you Real and whoever lost was just unlucky I decided to bet on them  :D Yes if there is any kind of curse I am the one to blame, it seems whoever I bet on they lose lol Of course that is not something I really believe though.

Juventus was a solid team and played their game the way they needed to and took a win for their effort so my hat is off to the even if I did lose $25 (big spender)  :o The test is going to come in the final just can't see them beating Barca but I will take a look at the odds see if it is worth betting the underdog, give you who bet Barca more of a chance.

OP again no curse mate if anything more chance of rigged but that is another thread.

They can beat barca, they will just park the bus and try to snatch a goal from a corner/free kick.  Possession with be like 75% barca but we've seen it before where they just cant score if a team defends excellently.

Real madrid has done a horrible season this year,no titles and not very good stats,Barcelona has dominated this year, maybe next year is the good one for Real Madrid

I think allegri just lucked with his defense tactic. that's didn't prove he was genius. roberto di matteo gave chelsea the UCL title with defensive style, but i thaught he was not a genius man, and he failed on next season. genius coach is a coach who can break the defense wall doesn't matter how strong the wall is. ;)


i hope that too, but in this final i bet on juventus  ;D

It is useless if a coach can break his opponent's defense wall but he can't lead his team to win the match and go further in the tournament/league.  ;)
So I think a genius coach is not only a coach who can break his opponent's defense wall, but a coach who can make a good strategy to win the match (both  attack and defense) and of course luck is also an important thing.
just my opinion.  ;D

agree with you, if a coach just depend on attacking tactic, his team will be risky because the opponent team can do counter attack. i admit luis enrique is a genius coach for this season, even i am a madridista.

Bale will leave if he has any brains, its all about that selfish player ronaldo @ madrid and tbh bale might not be as good as him yet but he if just as dangerous, man united should buy him and build the team around him.

I'm glad Juventus won to be honest.
It shows that good tactics & hard work can overcome the massive wealth of Real Madrid.
Real are too many individuals & not enough grit, hard work & determination.
Ronaldo is a great player but a spoilt, selfish player.
He is not a team player.
Juventus midfield of Pirlo, Pogba & Vidal cost something like 12 million euro.
Bale & Ronaldo cost about 200 million euro.
A victory for Juventus is a victory for the little guys.
Never give up.

This is right it seems the spanish 'teams' are quality attackers, where all the time I have followed Serie A, most if not all the Italian 'teams' are super super good at their tatical defence and have been for years and years.

With you that if they score Barcelona are in big trouble because they will likely score again if Barca push to hard to equalize. Am super excited for this game one of the best finals since bayern munich and man united all them years ago when they got them last minute goals.  :D

EDIT: 'Teams' for those who could not work it out.

Spanish are not, they are mostly great at the midfield play. If you are not aware yet, the trio of Barcelona are not a Spanish but if you mean the Spanish club team are good at attacking then yes


Italians are good for their harsh defending style and also cover up more space making the players of the opposition have the less space tor dribble which makes team from the other country having trouble passing through the defences . This happened to Real Madrid though as they cant play comfortably since there is less space for their pace.

The english are good at being overrated due to playing in the premier league.  Since the league is so well promoted and its important to have a few english players in your team, they become very overrated.  I should know im english ;D

In my opinion spanish players are also great precise attackers, you can't be good 'great' midfielders at just defending. Across the board they are better than avarage attackers.

Thanks for the rehash but I know what the italians are good at that is why I said it lol

spanish midfielders are the best midfielder in the world, but not to spanish strikers. spain have no good strikers anymore after torres-villa era. diego costa? he is suck. he made many goals with chelsea just because of fabregas and other midfielder.

I dunno costa is a pretty decent player its just spain haven't got the best out of him yet, he has been top form all season for chelski.  Villa was the best striker pain have had in recent times, raul was also not bad.  Top world class strikers are a rare thing not many countries have them.

i think spain need to optimize young forwards, like Callejon, Jese, Morata, and Pedro. Spain can't depend on Costa anymore after his bad performance in World Cup 2014

Dont think Costa has ever got going for spain tbh, the coach was very loyal to torres and villa.  Rightly so for david villa though who is their best forward in many years.  Costa was terrible in the world cup but so were spain.

As a gambler i don't believe in curse .... RM played bad so they lost.

I dont know and i dont care about curse, but the one i know is i lost alot of money at that game... And i know that was the risk of betting,..

So lets go burn all of ur money again in final lol

Its really hard to carry the same kind of form or doing better for two years straight. This year, Madrid never looked very comfortable in the CL after the group stages anyways.!

it means we all underestimate Juventus as the only clubs italy who escaped to the final phase of the Champions League
I think it would be work hard for barca  to beat juve  ;D

you're right , if Chelsea did it , than Juve can do it also...but I wouldn't bet big on Juve...they had lots of luck against Real Madrid (especially when James hit the post in Italy from 3 meters or Bale who fucked up big time with that header on the Bernabeu)...they will need lots of luck against Barca as well...MSN is on fire this year but sometimes the universe just conspires against you or for you....Greece - European champions, Chelsea - CL winners a few years ago etc

Pogba alone is at least 70 million my friend...Vidal is 30 millions at least...I dunno from where you got those numbers (12 million)

This "best coach" from Real Madrid sold the top assisters (Ozil and Di Maria) of the team , two years in the row..what did you expect ?

Who was the elected the best player of the CL final last year ?

 It wasn't Ramos ( the goal scorer) or the underwear model (Ronaldo)...it was Di Maria....they missed Di Maria a lot in all the big games this year against Barca, Atletico or Juve...you can thank the "best coach" Ancelloti for that

for ozil i think you're right and for angel di maria i didn't agree. madrid have problem on forward on position right winger

Di Maria was a player who played very well as a winger and as a midfielder last year...Di Maria started as a winger at Real Madrid (under Mourinho) and finished as a midfielder when Bale was bought from Tottenham...he played very well on both position, which is very rare in the football world...to have a player who is a world class midfielder and an attacking winger at the same time is very unlikely ...he was the top assister last year for Real Madrid and the guy who was voted the best player of CL final....this says it all...now this year the top assister is Cristiano Ronaldo, which is very strange and not normal at the same time...Cr7 should be the top scorer not both, Real Madrid are now 100% fully dependent on him (assists and goals) which is not something normal....they need somebody who gives 20+ assists per season, this is Real Madrid's problem...

Also alonso leaving was a blow but seeing him play the other night perhaps he has lost his legs a bit now anyway.  Ozil was also class @ real madrid and hasn't been quite the same @ arsenal however he gets a hard time with huge expectation and hes not the type of player to have big spectatular performances.

Alonso was old, it was a good thing to have him traded for Kroos....Alonso will retire in 2 years max, while Kroos will play for 7 years at least at maximum capacity...Ozil and Di Maria sales were huge mistakes...What coach sells the top assisters of the team two years in the row ? First Ozil, than Di Maria...That's suicide for any team...They were very lucky to turn the tide of the CL final last year in the 93 minute, that's his only performance at Real Madrid : Carlo is very lucky, that's his biggest asset....but his luck has run out so I think Carlo should pack his bags, or have Perez show him the door...Klopp from Dortmund would be  a very wise option to replace him

Come next year ronaldo could be starting to edge past his best and bale might leave, this could be a very bad spell for madrid for next few years unless they buy a ton of top players but all the best ones seems taken & happy atm.

CR7 is getting old indeed and Bale is not the player who will score Real Madrid 50+ goals per season....replacing Cr7 will be hard because at the moment, there are only 2 players in the world scoring 50+ goals per year ..one of them is Cr7 and the other one will never leave Barca...the future doesn't look bright for Real Madrid, but they have money....which is important....because money can buy you stuff ( Hazard, Lewandowski, etc) ...

he got the price when Juventus bought them from their clubs.
i'm not really sure with the price that you said because those are just estimation price.  :)

Bale could maybe become that player to score many goals since he is still young and playing in spain league which is super easy but he wont get the freedom while Ronaldo is there.  Ronaldo and Messi are kinda freaks anyway, 2 of the greatest players ever playing right now in their approx prime.

What curse??

I never belive in curse for all of my life :p

when i think as gambler and do betting, i only know and obly belive for "re-deposit if lost and more withdraw if win"  :D

i will lock this topic because this topic is out dated already.
thank you for your comment and opinion
i wish luck for juventus in the final
hope the curse never happen again  ;D