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why no one is talking about this, i find it a great project

the roadmap summary


2015

a training to help all partecipants to deal better with the conditions climatic of Mars, they will probably simulate it, in in some facility


2020

a demostration mission will begin along with a launch of a communication satellite


2022

an intelligent rover will lend on mars, to help the future lenders, to find the best place to establish their new outpost

the rover will help it by removing unnecessary thing in that area

a second satellite will be launched, for a better communication 24/7


2024

a second rover, two living units, two life support systems, and a supply unit are sent to Mars in 2024. In 2025, all units land on Mars using a rover signal as a beacon. - See more at: http://www.mars-one.com/mission/roadmap#sthash.bqoJlXFP.dpuf


2025

the six cargo that will host the civilians will lend on Mars, ata a distance of 10km from the outpost, they will use sonal pannel for energy

everything will be settled before by the rover robot before the arrival for the lenders, so they will have water and oxygen


2026

the crew one will be launched on the orbit, travelling to Mars, and a months after the first crew is settled, there will be a second launch for the second crew

bears in mind that there is no return to earth, for those people


2027

after the first day, the crew will be moved to their living zone, they will be picked up by the rover for this, when they will arrive to their units, they will set up everything for their future life on mars, foods is the canned type and nothing else

Redundancy is extremely important because, unlike the crew aboard the International Space Station, the Mars One crew can't abandon their mission in case of an emergency. When the first crew lands they will find the habitat with a good level of redundancy. The established habitat will, by this time, include two living units, each large enough to house the crew of four, and two life support units which are capable of providing enough water, power, and breathable air for the entire crew. When the hardware for the second crew is incorporated to the settlement, it will feature four living units and four life support units, which are enough to sustain a crew of 16 astronauts


2028

the second crew will be launched, every crew from now will consist of 10 individual, the first one is an exception, and it was 100 individuals


reference http://www.mars-one.com/mission/roadmap

That's a good question. I think it's a really cool plan. It's possible that since it's still in the early phase of the idea of the project that people aren't willing to consider it a reality yet. So much can happen in 10 years that can put this project to an end. Also, people could be more concerned with the reality of life rather than lofty science goals.

I hope the world makes it there.

Thats pretty cool,  NASA's 'New Horizons'  spacecraft will explore the planet Pluto, it is an extraordinary event that is going to unfold in the days to come, first time we are going to explore Pluto and its moons, NASA even made an awesome trailer about their mission https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aky9FFj4ybE

There are a lot of people that want to get to Mars and if Mars One shows they are capable of organizing the whole thing they will get a ton of donations from many companies. No one company will be able to get to Mars. It will require the cooperation of many companies and probably governments.

Space X is the major competitor here, lets see who will make it first.
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Isn't Mars One a scam?

https://medium.com/matter/mars-one-insider-quits-dangerously-flawed-project-2dfef95217d3

This comedian made a funny video for the application and she was approved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j59NyrhiDiA

Yup, I think someone already in the forum shown that this project was indeed a scam but i don't remember who it was but just googling it the Mars One project there are so many valid scam accusations about it.

I thought the general consensus among experts was that this whole project was so half-assed, it wouldn't even get close to getting off the ground.

yes it is, Is it a coincidence that your post was also the same comment here: https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/2w7d6c/eli5_how_can_mars_one_legally_attempt_to_send/ lol

Yes, it is a scam.  We do not have the technology to create a self supporting biosphere system on Mars.  Neither to jump start any industrial or maintenance of Earth built equipment.

Think in terms of how to make a fabric, a brick, a metal rod, basic stuff...

how it is a scam if they are not requesting any money, but they are offering everything?

i can't see as a scam sincerely


well we don't have it yet, but in 10 years something will change, i presume

@OP

nobody is talking about that because "Mars One" that will never happen. you cant take some lunatics who dont have a clue and want to die to mars  ::) . that "company" just wants cheap money and it is a scam!

http://bgr.com/2015/03/17/mars-one-is-fake/

we can make a bet  ;)



(but other people/projects will go to mars of course, i have no doubt about that)

i agree completely if we cannot even get the basic necessities how is the settlement suppose to be successful

its not surprising though that a scam like these gets attention because who wouldn't want to go live on mars

The only person Who really has the capability to put humans on mars and create a stable civilisation is Elon Musk. Other than that, I have heard about an experiment done on earth itself to create an alternate biosphere and around 500,million dollars were spent on it but it was a huge failure.

This 'non-profit organisation' is led by a CEO I have never heard before much about, in space world and I don't know if I would sit on that seat to mars which is led by someone I have never even heard about :)

Mars One is going no where.

The group of people working on the has no experience with space no technological expertise..... I can go on but I'm seriously Mars is more of a dream becoming more of scam day by day, the initial project was to make a decent study, and built up a requirement book with technological ideas that would lower the costs, a project that can be used or built with a major or majors space agencies such as NASA or ESA ....

now that i discovered the whole thing behind it, it make me kinda sad, i hope one day there will be a real travel to mars, done by the governments maybe, at least it will be trustable and more transparent

It's probably more of a publicity stunt or attention seeking by the fantasist who created it than a traditional scam, but I think they might have charged people a fee to review their applications and they're selling merchandise etc but regardless of their motives one thing is for sure it's not going to happen as there's not the money or technology for it.

Well, we don't know that for sure as of now.  It's what will happen over the span of the next 10 years that will dictate whether this mission will become a reality or a complete fail.

Definitely an interesting project. I've always been fascinated with space exploration.

Also, anyone notice a trend with recent Hollywood movies?
Gravity - 2013
Interstellar - 2014
The Martian - 2015

And there are still more coming.

We do know. It's not going to happen by Mars One or anyone else anytime soon. If NASA doesn't have the money or likely even the technology to safely get and store people there then some crappy company wont be able to raise it or develop it. It would almost certainly cost hundreds of billions and currently the costs outweigh the benefits. I think they should wait until there's justifiably a very good reason to go as there's no rush. I think we need to take into consideration the ethical and psychological effects of the mission as well.

First of all, let the Mars Rover get back to earth safely, then let NASA think to land the human there. It is not as such as easy to land in Mars and start a life from the day one, No one cannot predict that, what will the dangerous effect will happen to the skins once they touch those planets. It is indeed a hazardous adventures and no one dare to dreamed off such scenario.

I totally agree with you, sir. Elon Musk is the perfect man to send humanity right up in space. All his ventures, all of his work for humanity is commendable. That's the right way to go, the Elon Musk route. And talking about Mars one? Delayed their timeline, corruption crawling inside the system, rumors of seats being 'bought'. Come on. BS.

REASON NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT IT IS BECAUSE IT IS A FUCKING CRASH PROJECT. They delayed their timeline, killed their own hype and then people say the seats were sold. What's the whole point of sending the most qualified first civilization to populate mars then? Same genes which feel they can buy everything with money. Sadly, they'd be right...

It will never happen, it will keep being delayed over and over again, it already was postponed, initial schedule was to get humans on Mars by 2023, IIRC.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if someone or some group took this challenge on, and flat out announced their goal was to put people on the Red Planet.  They could then announce progress on the various necessary tasks and ISRU (in situ resource utilization).  If people funded that, it is not impossible that one, two or three decades later the answer to the questions of necessities is "Yes, yes and yes."

At such a point in time, then they'd say - "Now all we need is rockets."

That's NOT the difficult part of the equation.

It could be a way they can get more funds to fund their personal needs. I think this not a government project but i private company is the one responsible for this shenanigans and they have been asking for donations and asking participants to pay when they have passed some tests/interviews.

if mars is real and human could live in mars, and if its better than living in this earth i bet that the only human could live there must reach,have power (goverment,military,etc) and famous :) so what about poor people?

If people were to successfully populate Mars, probably it will be a Mars Vs Earth could lead to a planetary war.

Because life on Mars would be a life of extreme, unimaginable poverty.

Think in terms of trucking a couple thousand cubic meters of rock and dirt and sand 200 miles inland at the South Pole, giving a couple people about 2000 lb of supplies and a small habitat, and telling them that's where they will live out their lives.   Anything they have to have, they must make from that raw material. 

Isnt that great going to mars.
But government should only take some steps ahead

As crazy as it seems  ;D ;D,it is amazing to think in a few years this would actually happen, that people can live on Mars  ::) ::)

Its nothing to do with gov afaik.  Wasnt it going to be a private company and they fund the opperation via donations and making it a kind of reality show during the process and make advert revenue?

Is this the Mars Journey where people to be sent to Mars will live there forever?

Two women from my country are part of that team.

They delayed their timeline because expansion of the project base, though. And I think the seats weren't sold, but traded for something better than money. The CEO says that the plan will be bigger, better and smoother than before. All it will take is some time. Bullshit, I say. Another 'technical delay' coming soon. Meanwhile, the hype dies.

Just the idea of laying down chilling on mars looking at earth, i would feel sad and awesome.

What is something better than money on earth right now? The technical delays have already happened so i dont really think it might happen again, and if the hype was dead, they wouldn't manage to still be in the news. They somehow seem to be doing really well, and are well funded too.

You may think getting and living on mars is dream come true. thinks again.

First mars has a thin atmosphere so mars has a very weak agains meteorites and asteroids.

Second mars has a weak magnetic field, unlike earth being protected by its huge magnetic field. mars has a very small and weak one.
 having a magnetic field protects us from solar flares and solar radiation sun produces. and when mars got hit by a solar radiation even with
the most advance protection agains radiation we have it will be useless resulting to instant death.

Third is the gravity, sure mars has a weak gravitational force but be warned. because of it your body will try and adopt to the new enviroment.
your bones will weaken then your body will start to change. i know it sounds like a science fiction but our body adopt to new inviroments.

im sure you`ll learn a lot but learning what your going to face outside earth and go the unknown and deathtrap place i`ll be happy staying here.
hearing they`re progress. and if they`re expedition is successful and manage to return to earth or not they`ll be known as a heroes.

on the science industry and to those who are eager to learn about this universe. It is scary but to them its worth a risk.

Doesn't Mars have some areas that are better protected than others? I think the idea was that they were going to use one of those to settle in since it provided adequate protection.

Seems like it might be a better idea to colonise cold and warm parts of the earth + work on living on sea plus underground.  Then there is also working on building upwards.  Long time before with are able to live on mars imo.

They're only delaying it because it's a scam and they have no intention of going to mars. It's not even feasible at all. Even NASA would struggle to get the funding for this.

Even if there are it won't d any good if its in the surface.and if your tal,king about digging underground it will take time. Thus they'll need more funding which  they will not have. And it will take more than a decade to just to send one rover that will be able to dig underground. But still I'm looking forward if they will be able to set a colony on mars.

You're partially right. However, humanity does not like saving the Earth or working to prolong the environment of certain places. Humanity likes to destroy for their own amusement. Mars is a very good candidate for a colony. However, the problem isn't really the technology right now (we can get there), the problem is money. Obviously the US (as a example) could easily fund it considering their unnecessary defense budget. For a company and a unknown CEO this is really problematic. A lot of money is needed, money that is hard to come by.

Well technically just because the plan is flawed, that doesn't make it a scam. However, from the research being done in regards to it, (http://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/90819) it seems highly unlikely that it will launch/succeed.

Thanks a lot for the Schedule. I really wish them Best of Luck!!. I think NASA will definitely meet all the deadlines bez they have very talented people. Thanks

Your post is spam and off topic. This is not a NASA mission. Please read other replies before posting something.
It looks like their budget is only $7B which is peanuts compared to how much countries are wasting in random wars around the world.

Your repeated assertion of trivializing the cost by comparison with war is a logical fallacy, as well as off topic.  It is incorrect to assert that "we have the technology" to put a self supporting colony on Mars.  We do not.

In the 1950s there were enthusiastic reports of how a space station could be put up and it would be self substaining, growing it's own food.  How far have we gotten toward that (apparently) simple goal?

Yes, comparing anything is a logical fallacy.  ::) People seem to use these words lightly around here these days (there is no contradiction). I was not talking about a fully self supported colony, I was talking about getting there (i.e. flying to Mars multiple times). Read:
Nice try though.

How much has been invested to achieve that goal? Less and less money (e.g. NASA budget cuts). It seems simple, however it is not.

A lot has been invested in space biology experiments.

Saying "we can get there" is NOT the same as establishing a colony.

Check Zubrin, "Mars Direct."

Mars is out of the picture. Why? Because most of what has been invested in space, has been invested in war technology, which will destroy us all long before we get to Mars.

:)

that seems to be so expensive that it's realization doesn't seem probable. There'll always be something more important for the goverment. Although it does sound great

2025

China will have barely won the world war that devastates the earth. Martian colonists are on their own.

:)

Wow it looks to me as a ponzi scheme with the "point" system and the "75% of profits donate back to us".

Looks like scammers find very innovative ways to scam people.

http://www.thephoenixnews.com/2015/03/news-briefs-two-calgary-men-found-guilty-of-running-largest-ponzi-scheme-in-canadian-history-mars-one-group-announces-last-100-candidates-for-mission-to-mars/

Sounds cool, but what matters to me is the state of Bitcoin in 2025. I hope that by then we are all retired due holding Bitcoin for 10+ years and can see the show nicely on our sofas without having to go to work. If im still working by 2025 and Bitcoin hasn't retired me i'll probably jump off a bridge or something.

ps: Joking (I hope)

Sound great, the only problem is the oxygen...

As we know the Mars atmosphere have 95.97% carbon dioxide, that mean the human will need a way to get 02 from C02, or will need some great filters and bumps to filter the small percentage of O2 from the atmosphere (0.146% oxygen). We need to get 20.95% (O2) at last to live.

There isn't a problem with getting O2, there is a lot of it in the dirt, and in the water deposits. 

There are hundreds of problems and issues, but getting O2 is one that can easily be solved. 

When and if these guys state they intend to land a nuclear reactor on Mars for power for their teams, then I'd take them seriously.  Because otherwise they'll have difficulty showing where the power will come from to keep everyone at a livable temperature, and to do the needed chemical extractions such as for 02.

We don't need anywhere near that amount of O2 in the atmosphere to breath.  In fact, there is a substantial amount of oxygen in the air we breathe out.

True.  But you need pressurization say to 1/2 Earth atmosphere.  That has to be a mix of gases - some O2, some CO2, Water vapor, and an inert gas filler, such as nitrogen or helium.  Basically that has to be created, and maintained.

I think that the current plan is to generate the electricity from solar energy, using panels. Operating a nuclear power plant in Mars will be next to impossible, as doing so will require huge quantities of coolants and other substances, which are not readily available on the planet.

I would think the vacuum of space (or a low density atmosphere) would be the ultimate coolant.

Guys wtf are you talking about they have already been caught and sentenced:

http://www.thephoenixnews.com/2015/03/news-briefs-two-calgary-men-found-guilty-of-running-largest-ponzi-scheme-in-canadian-history-mars-one-group-announces-last-100-candidates-for-mission-to-mars/

It was a ponzi scam.

Heat transfer occurs by way of conduction, convection, or radiation.  In the absence of much gas, convection isn't possible, and it is the most efficient way to move heat.  As an example, spacecraft have trouble getting rid of heat.  The Apollo lunar rovers IIRC used paraffin blocks to absorb heat in a phase change method.   Difficult problem, getting rid of heat.

Small reactors certainly could be taken to Mars.  Solar panels would be a weak source of power, suitable for small rovers but not humans.  A rover can time it's activities to match the sun, humans need life support, and power for it, around the clock.

Landis's paper is the authoritative reference.  NASA/TM-2004-213367, "Mars Solar Power."

there will be too many wars in the near future, no money for any mars missions

Yes, I thought about this last night as I was falling asleep and you are correct.  You would need close to absolute zero and be in a thick gas - which tend to contradict each other.

Regardless, I am certain we are going to Mars.   It isn't really important whether it is in 25 years or 250 years.  Man has always found it to be a mysterious and intriguing place, and it must have a place in our future.

The Moon may be for our robots only, and Mars is certainly not Tahiti. 

But we'll be there.

There's no certainty of going to Mars any time, not even in those 250 years. For example, we could have nuclear bomb next year and we could guess the humanity would never return to the state of being able to travel into extraterrestial.

It's sad really, we could all be flying around in space if it weren't for humanity being a dumbass, fighting each other, destroying their cradle (Earth)...

Not could - would.

The dark ages lasted for about 700 years (roughly the 6th to 13th centuries) where there was no scientific research and everyone believed in a god.

We would be colonizing the nearest stars by now if the dark ages hadn't existed.

Why is their web site still up, asking for donations?

http://www.mars-one.com/

Read the article again,, those guys posed as mars one, they werent the real organizers...

That could be a possibility. Imagine how technology evolved rapidly since the invention of steam engines in the 1600s? In just a span of 400 + years, here we are now, having the modern tech laid before us. Only if those people back then didn't delay scientific advancements, imagine what kind of technology would we have right now? We could have set up colonies in different star systems by now if not because of those close-minded religious dudes believing that science is the work of demons and is only a way to distance Man from God.

You just need to look at the past 50+ years!  Look how far we've come since 1960!

It's said the human race learns more each year than all the years previous put together.

Looking forward to hearing about it but very scared at the same time. I can imagine some bad things happening if the people are not prepared properly if you can prepare for it. they'll be alone and very homesick

I concur. The developments in the last 50 years definitely outweigh the years before that. I wonder how much things are going to change between 2015 and 2050. Hopefully humanity will be able to colonize Mars by then (if this mission and similar ones don't work out). I think that with more money being invested in R&D we would be able to do these things much faster. However, most humans are not interested in development but rather enjoyment (hedonistic lifestyle). If it weren't for the few individuals in the past, the development would have been tens of times slower.

I am not certain this is true.  The dark ages may have been a necessary prelude to the explosion of science, knowledge and philosophy we call the Renaissance.  Something like night and day, winter and summer.  Maybe.

And it's certainly not accurate to suggest that pre-microscope, pre-telescope, people were close minded.  They just couldn't SEE THINGS.  Were you or I there now, we would be certain of "Rational and Logical Thinking" which led to conclusions that are now thought of as ridiculous.

Back to the subject, note the phrase "Colonizing Mars" is a hugely different thing than saying "Making one trip to Mars."  There's nothing wrong with considering 250 years as a reasonable timeframe for "Colonizing Mars."  And with the highly productive robotic rovers, we are doing a great job towards advancing such goals.  But much very basic stuff remains to be understood.

Further and prime most, I suggest that when this exploration and colonization happens, they will be using Bitcoin.

Not only will they be using Bitcoin (or what bitcoin develops into with the advent to household, quantum computers), but government as we know it will be a thing of the past. There won't be any IRS. There won't be any police-brutality-plague. People will rule themselves under common law, based on if they harm or injure anybody.

Probably, there won't be any petrodollar, business people who rule the world. Things will be free and just. Mars missions will be based on individuals doing thier thing in the Mars program, based on volunteer giving to a company that doesn't have any government red tape, and that operates freely for those who donate. In fact, it will be the people who donate that will be making the decisions... based on real value donations, rather than on some fake fiat donations of a debt system that is bank controlled.

Courts will only be there to help sort out issues between people. Corporate veils will be bypassed in man to man court issues... even corporate veils regarding the defrauding scheme of the current Mars program being talked about in this thread.

There will be real value for value in the Mars program.

:)

Why, a verfitable UTOPIA awaits us...only it must battle for supremacy with the Christian utopia, the Islam utopia, the Communist utopia and hundreds of others.

Why should I believe in YOURS?

This is all backwards.  You should believe in MINE.  MINE is BESTEST.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSGuBNopzBw

And you can TRUST ME.  Course right now, things be looking pretty bad and getting badder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meCZ5hWNRFU

And we ain't gonna colonize that Mars until we knows how to make fiddles thar, out of that dirt or something.

Utopia? You actually believe in an utopia?

People are waking up. Pete Hendrickson of http://www.losthorizons.com/index.html has shown people how to get $billions back from the IRS and FICA. The people have done it, to the tune of $billions. And more and more people are waking up to it all the time. Here's the gist of it.

The only time the IRS comes after a person for taxes is when they are informed by someone that taxable income was earned. The method used for informing the IRS is essentially hearsay.

The most common method whereby the IRS is informed of such is through a Form W-2 hearsay form. This form is almost always sent to the IRS by an employer. The form states that the employee made a certain amount of gross income or income during a specified period. But, the employer never goes to court and states under oath that such monetary reimbursements-for-work are income or gross income. It is hearsay.

What would you do if your employer made a genuine mistake on your W-2? Let's say that you made $10,000 for a particular year. Let's say that your employer says that you made $100,000 by accident. You need to write to your employer and tell him of his mistake, and ask him to correct it with an amended W-2. If your employer will not, you must use an IRS Form 4852 to correct the mistake yourself and send this in to the IRS with your tax form.

What to do when your employer sends YOUR W-2 to the IRS? Send a letter to your employer asking him to change your income or gross income on an amended W-2 to $0.00, and send that to the IRS in place of the original. When he doesn't, use the Form 4852 to do it yourself (set your income or gross income reported to $0.00), then file your 1040 with $0.00 income earned, and get all your withheld money, including FICA (Social Security tax), back from the IRS. Look at all the folks who got their money back using this method - http://www.losthorizons.com/BulletinBoard.htm.

Your employer's original W-2 that he sends in is hearsay. Rebut the hearsay with your own hearsay, and get all your money back.

This is exactly the thing that government attacks everyone for, hearsay. There is virtually nothing else that government or law enforcement attacks anyone for, especially when there is no harm or damage of property done. It is all hearsay. And when you don't rebut it properly in court, you lose.

Learn about Karl Lentz now, before government comes after you for the hearsay of breathing incorrectly - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOkAHRzuiOA&list=PLHrkQxgz0mg6kUBciD-HIvTXByqjcIZ-D

Maybe we will start to get to an utopia, when enough people start to wake up.

:)

Idk man. I'd like to think humanity deserves a little more faith than that.

Of course. Of course. Humanity DOES have a little more faith than that, but very little.

Look at a football game. Somebody has faith in one team. Somebody else has faith in the other team. Is it faith that makes a certain team win? Perhaps. What about war? What about world war?

The faith that wins is God's faith. His faith is the thing that makes it all happen. And He responds to the faith of His people more than anybody else. In fact, He is the reason for America, His faith that He used to respond to early Americans that had faith in Him. And it is His anger against much of America, now, for their lack of faith in Him, that is causing His faith to turn against her, in spite of all of His faithful people in her. God's faith is the faith that counts.

:)

Sounds like plain old lying to me.

Thanks but I'll pass, and keep on paying what's due when it's due.

MArs-one? LOL, is this scam still active? It was obvious from the very beginning that they are not going anywhere. They don't have experience in space sphere at all. Just a bunch of losers trying to gain some money.

It seems that some users have exposed MARS one as a scam but it was not needed if the governments of the world cannot do it then, no one can. Besides there is simply not a good reason to go right now to mars, maybe in the future, there’s no rush.

There is a very good reason to go to Mars - all of humanity's eggs are on one basket planet - literally.  :)

What you really argue for here is independent, self sufficient biodomes.   In turn these might exist in Earth orbit, or various places in the Solar System, including Mars.  Yes Mars seems plausible.

However we don't know how to make those biodomes right now, and designing them and verifying their operation does not have as a precursor traveling to Mars.  Once we do know how, yes they could be placed various places and Mars would be an obvious choice.

Then again, the background technologies for self sufficiency are given a ridiculously low priority if one at all.  Like preventing asteroid strikes on our planet.  What is the funding for that?

Thanks, Spendy. For a long time I wondered if the Pete Hendrickson thing was true. Then when I found out it was, I still didn't understand the way things worked. Now that I am learning about Karl Lentz, Bill Thornton and Richard Cornforth, I know how the Pete Hendrickson info works.

But the thing that makes it an over-the-top surety is the fact that YOU are denying it. If I had any doubts left, they are gone now.

Thanks, again for the confirmation.

:)

Now why would you want to send the plague off to other parts of the universe? Mankind can't even live peacefully together here? Why destroy other worlds as well? Oh that's right. That's what mankind is all about. Destroying everything it can. We have a whole universe out there to destroy. If only we had an eternity of time in which to do it.

:)

Bah.  A wise man once said "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's."

That's the exact point.

Your income tax money becomes Caesar's when you agree that it is his. Up until that time, it is not his. If you don't call it his, it never is his. That's why in an IRS audit, they never tell you how much you owe until you tell them first, be it by your acceptance of a W-2, or be it by your filing a 1040 or some other form, or be it by your confession in court.

Wake up.

:)

I disagree with this if that is what you want, the moon could be enough. When I made my statement I meant “economic reasons to go to mars”. If an extinction level event that could destroy the earth and the moon was detected then we will have a reason to go to mars, but since this is not the case I think we’re fine on planet earth.

No.

It is actually a bit less costly in propellant to go Earth to Mars as opposed to Earth to Moon.  Also Mars has plenty of the elements needed for life, such as N, H, and C.  These basically do not exist on the Moon, with the possible exception of the ice deposits currently being studied at the poles.

Because of the lack of basic elements on the Moon, it is not possible to build self sustaining colonies there.  For example, you could not make plastics.  Iron could not be turned into steel because of the scarcity of Carbon.  Many such issues.  The Moon is good for many things, but human settlements, no.

Mars is better suited, but we are a long way from ready to do it.

Until such a time that we find that Mars has humic microbes, we would need to take some along if we ever wanted grow any plants in Mars soil.

:)

Thanks for this post, I was unaware of these developments and its always fascinating to find something that is as bold as this to dig deeper into :)

There is no soil as you know it on Mars.  Soil here is over 40% long decomposed insects and fauna.  Think of Martian soil as simple powdered rock.

Powdered rock along with water, nitrogen, oxygen and carbon are exactly the things that humic microbes need to make soil. Of course, the process is enhanced by other things, including certain fungi that can live on rock. Extra protection for humic microbes from radiation may be necessary, since the atmosphere of Mars is so thin.

Wikipedia tells us that the process isn't fully understood. Possibly we would have great difficulty creating soil out of Martian rock on Mars, and it might even be impossible to do and maintain outside of laboratory conditions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humus

http://www.the-compost-gardener.com/soil.html

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It is a brilliant plan and it marks the beginning of Man's space colonization. However, I do find that it would be far more important to first build an outpost on the moon.

If we want to go far of our system the moon could be the best space airport for interstellar voyages.

I thought the moon didn't have any air.    :D

The question is why? As somebody already said, a colony on Moon would not be self-sustainable. Even if we had far more advanced technology that would probably still be impossible. Besides, what do we have to gain from making an outpost there? The Moon has nothing that we could use as far as I know. Our best bet would be Mars for now, however who knows how long it will be before we can even reach other potential colonies.

RE bolded above, the lunar surface is typically over 10% titanium, 10% iron, 10% aluminum.  These are in the form of oxides, usually "under oxidized."

80% of propellant weight for a O2/H2 engine is O2, so take it from there.  A large percentage of the structure of a space vehicle is lightweight metals....

Still, using present-day technology that can be supplied with available funding, both, colonizing the moon and colonizing Mars would be more uncertain that sailing the ocean like Columbus and the early colonists of America did. Sure, they did it. But many ships sank. Many people died. And many of them died once the got here.

Mars and the moon are so difficult that given the technology we have, even though we can do it, many will die in the process... and they still would, even if we had unlimited funding for the process.

:)

If i'm not wrong,mission to mars will take place on 2030

If I'm not wrong, colonization of Mars will never take place.   :)

I thinks it will be a one way trip for all the participants.  They don't possess the necessities to accomplish keeping those people alive.
They will really be sorry they did that.. in the end and we will still be warring our selves to death here on Earth and waiting for Russia or China to sell us rides up and down to a new SSI station.

Any "gardening" that was done on Mars would have to be done inside a pressure vessel with artificial lighting and as you mention, "manufactured soil."

There is no known way to make such vessels on Mar out of native materials, and certainly no known way to make the parts for artificial lighting or collection of solar power, and creation of electricial to run artificial lights.  These areas would have to be temperature controlled.

All together this makes it very difficult to think in terms of acres of farmland.

Now how much land does it take to support one human?

A company called Bigelow Aerospace may have the answer. They have built blimp-like space stations - http://www.nbcnews.com/science/space/bigelow-aerospace-shows-its-expandable-space-station-future-n322521. NASA is looking into this, and the thing might actually be way more practical than a first glance would suggest.

Float a blimp to Mars, or fly it there on a spacecraft, and set it up on the surface of Mars as a habitat. Actually, many such blimps could be shipped to Mars, un-inflated, in one flight. All materials for living conditions could be onboard.

Google "blimp space station" for more info.

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One acre of potatoes will feed a man for one year.

nope.

Now figure the WEIGHT of "habitats for plants" that would need to be sent to mars to support that one person.  Multiply that weight by the number of people you want in the "colony."  Then figure the useful lifetime of the equipment, and figure the WEIGHT of the resupply missions.

Before people say potatoes don't weight much - it's not the weight of the potatoes but the half meter of soil you'll need to carry, not to mention fertilizer and water.  Soil that will need to be re-energized each year by the death of billions of insects, which of course won't exist there.

We won't make it to Mars until we have colonized the moon and are creating what we need there.  It takes 1/6 the energy to lift off than from Earth.

This issue of "growing plants on Mars to survive" is exactly the plot of the upcoming movie, "The Martian."

First we have to go on the moon again.
Mission is planned on 2020 if i'm not wrong.

This is a really romantic idea. I don't see it as a serious project. It would be really nice if NASA got a serious budget to plan a real mission like this.

The problem with NASA programs is, it works off grants off taxes. What this means is, if there is anyone who happens to be dead set against NASA, he is forced to help pay through taxes.

In other words, any moon or Martian plan is a slavery plan for many if not most of the people.

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Wrongness bolded.

Try "we need to learn more about" instead.

Exactly.

In addition, we don't need taxes to go for doing any of it. Somebody want to volunteer their funds and life? Have at it. Just don't force the rest of us to finance something that we don't want.

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Not really.  It's CAST as a really romantic idea, a great adventure.

Reality is it's people living in a can or more likely, in a can buried in a cave, and having to put a complicated suit on anytime they go outside. 

I read the novel and was impressed.  At that time I did think it would make a good movie plot, a la "Castaways."  Very curious as to how it presents on screen.

We're Going to Mars... FINALLY! (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Article/204413-2016-09-27-were-going-to-mars-finally.htm)


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Jeff Bezos's New Rocket Will Be Bigger Than Elon Musk's (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/203575-2016-09-12-jeff-bezoss-new-rocket-will-be-bigger-than-elon-musks.htm)


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Read more at http://www.popsci.com/blue-origins-new-rocket-will-be-larger-than-elon-musks.


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This Mars mission is a suicide mission. The safety of the crew to be sent there is not guaranteed and there is no going back. To those who enlist themselves if they survive they will become heroes of the future colony to be established on that planet but its such a pity for them to be distant to their families. Some conspiracy theories tells that this mars mission is one step done by mankind for an interplanetary habitation, since earth will soon be inhabitable. We dont know the truth but its also good that man has thought of transferring the population of the earth to another planet and it is good for the future populace of humans.

Actually it's possible to create a sustainable habitat for humans on Mars, but no body has done this.  It's not a matter of just sending one or two supply ships before the manned expedition goes.  Think in terms of a hundred ships before the people go there.

You'd need to prospect, and find sources of many elements and materials.  For example, you would need to find a local source of copper, then mine it. 

Think in terms of large numbers of robots, industrial processes, fabrication in operation before people. 

Realistically this is a fifty to hundred year project, but it definitely should be done. 

I agree with regard to the sustainability. Here on earth, the few sealed habitats that we have built, have not lasted long enough, sealed, to see if they would work as long as they would have to on Mars. I don't think we are or will be prepared enough by 2025 to attempt a Mars mission safely.

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The Bible shows a literal system of dates that shows that the creation was accomplished something less than 6,200 years ago. You can see it here http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm.

I suspect that Mars was created back then, on the 4th day of creation, along with the sun, moon, and stars. But it isn't known for a fact that it wasn't the result of some space collision, or coming together of space rocks, some time after the creation.

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Mars is the most habitable planet in our solar system because of the following:

1. Mars soil contains water to extract.
2. Temperature was so good same like Planet Earth. It isn’t too cold or too hot.
3. Solar panels can gather enough of Sunlight to produce Solar Energy.
4. Gravity is adoptable and its 38% that of Earth's gravity which is believed by many to be sufficient for the human body to adapt to
5. The atmosphere offers protection from cosmic and Sun's radiation.
6.The day/night rhythm is very similar to Earth: a Mars day is 24 hours, 39 minutes and 35 seconds

2. Temperature is far colder than Earth in places, and never nearly as warm as Earth is in some places.

4. We don't really know if Mars gravity will be good for people in the long run.

5. The atmosphere offers a little radiation protection, but far less than we need, or other forms of life need.

7. There is no recorded life of any sort on Mars... that we know of. Plants can only grow in the presence of humus. At least small amounts of living bacteria of the kind that form humus must be present for plants to live and survive. Naturally, solar radiation would kill off any humus bacteria living near the surface of the soil.

8. There is essentially no natural magnetic field on Mars as there is on Earth. We haven't lived outside of a magnetic field, so we don't know if we would be harmed without one. Certainly the tiny magnetic field on Mars isn't enough to ward of space radiation like it does on Earth.

It will be a far harder job to make Mars habitable than we imagine. We might live within enclosed habitats, but it will take decades or centuries to make Mars naturally habitable.

I don't recall my parents ever saying I was dropped. How about you?

Actually, I'm not really interested about if you were dropped. But why did you even bring this idea up?

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Well, thank you very much, af_newbie. I didn't really want to call you a troll, but you have saved me the trouble by showing us all that you are one. In addition, thanks for helping to prove other things that I talk about, by opposing them, but not being able to rebut them.

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Didn't Mars One turn out as a scam?

http://heavy.com/news/2015/03/mars-one-scam-scheme-fraud-money/

http://www.iflscience.com/space/whats-going-mars-one/

http://www.businessinsider.com/mars-one-mit-students-mission-not-feasible-debate-2015-8

http://metro.co.uk/2015/03/18/is-the-mars-one-mission-the-biggest-hoax-in-history-5109527/

I doubt we ever make it to mars properly at least, well not in any of our life times.

Would be very happy if am wrong though.

Mars is a sure thing for us humans. Its the next natural step towards colonising other planets. After Mars its one of the earth like planets discovered by NASA. Exciting times we live in! I think this will happen in our life time.

Well yeah.. its a great project but the year man.. -_- it seems earlier than i thought and i thought about year of 9015 like that i mean earth dies in i don't know a billion years or so, but each of us are really known to the story of we get evac on mars but we need to clean mars first before we enter its planet and mars is very small and don't have any water we can't live that long and its hot its closest to the sun its just only my idea but if you don't agree or its a bad idea just feel free to reply and so lets go back to the topic then mars is a wonderful planet i really think that mars is not we would be going if earth dies but we need to explore the solar system or out and get to know the other earth or the weird creatures of the outer space! :D Have Good day! to you!!

Yes i disagree..Earth is closer to the sun ;)

It seems like a far off dream going to mars. I don't think we will accomplish this task.

I will buy 100BTC starting from now so that nearly 10 years later
I could travel to this Mars. That's so funny , guys.

fly to Mars before, and land, and then the rocket will explode even come at the start of the ground

Although a scam (as I posted earlier)
This is something men should do

The problem with capitalism and space exploration is we are not allowed to go to space and use it for profit
Which automatically takes away anyones interest to do that (besides the goverments) and I admire this because it is what free market economy should do
And that is explore and eventually profit from something that is good for all mankind!

I am highly skeptical this can all be done in a realistic time frame.

Hell we don't even know if humans can survive on Mars for any length of time.
I mean the whole effect on the human body stuff.

The logistics of it is also staggering.
What always comes to mind when i think of this concept is.. meteors.

I seen a science show the other day where an astronomer caught on camera a massive cloud of maybe water or something shooting off like 150 miles off the surface of the planet.
No one has any clue what it could have been.. except for a comet impact.
I can't put into words how fucking big the mess was it was simply fucking nuts !

And what i always think of is Mars is a target hit more often i think then we are here. (because of it's location)
Worse is that it has fuck all for an atmosphere.

Chelyabinsk meteor = Imagine 29 nuke's going off.
THEN imagine NOT having an atmosphere !

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk_meteor


Then think of all those shooting stars and constant meteor showers we get.
Check out Spaceweather.com to see which meteor shower we are hit with right now..
We are ALWAYS flying into one all year round pretty much.

THEN think of all those shooting stars we see.. i heard they are suppose to be like a grain of sand usually.

THEN.. think of no atmosphere !
Each grain of sand would be a high speed cannon blast that rips through anything on the surface of Mars.

Meteors can be shot into us on Earth at 72 km/s.
Not sure what the average max is on Mars would be ..maybe higher.
A sample of a speeding bullet is about 4500 km/h
Take not the difference between hours and SECONDS.

Earth average max meteor speed = 259,200 km/h
Earth's Average max bullet speed =    4,500 km/h

Meaning ?
What ever type of habitat or support is laid out on Mars it is going to be highly vulnerable.
Such as an inflated green house that would explode if a grain of sand was shot through it.
Wind storms ? Yup.. Mars is known for them and tornado's.

Sorry i just think the reality here is colonizing Mars is going to be far harder and more expensive than people thought.

Wrap your head around this little fun fact.
It costs something like $10,000.00 usd to put 1 single pound into orbit of Earth.
Then factor in that you would need to send 3 or more people to Mars all requiring food for the trip.
If all three eat 1 pound of food per day and it takes them say a year to get there..
AND they will have to take another period of time to make a green house and grow food.
Then do the math  :D
What is needed would also be more costly because the food stored would need to be "pushed" to Mars.
Not just Earth's orbit.
And yup it's going to cost a lot more to send 1 pound of something to Mars than it is to float in close orbit here.

It's a bloody miracle we made it to the moon.
Only reason the US did it was because they were given a blank check and infinite man power.
NASA people said if they had to do it today it would be impossible because of the cost.
The first couple Moon missions cost a staggering amount of money and required hundreds of thousands of workers.
That was ALL paid for by taxing the public to foot the bill.

Yup.. i'm skeptical  :D