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Economy => Scam Accusations => Topic started by: Bitcoin Oz on September 24, 2012, 12:04:51 AM



Title: [Retracted]
Post by: Bitcoin Oz on September 24, 2012, 12:04:51 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117715.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117715.0)


Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: legolouman on September 24, 2012, 12:12:04 AM
While I think the fake GLBSE situation wasn't handled correctly by Nefario, Goat was merely exploiting his word.

Knowing Goat, he probably anticipated this happening, or something like it.

Nefario said the shares would be honored, so Goat bought in.


Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: Vbs on September 24, 2012, 01:10:24 AM
Don't think he's a scammer "per se", the correct "tag" would be: Level 2 of Morality Development! ;D

Quote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg's_stages_of_moral_development
Stage two (self-interest driven) espouses the "what's in it for me" position, in which right behavior is defined by whatever is in the individual's best interest. Stage two reasoning shows a limited interest in the needs of others, but only to a point where it might further the individual's own interests. As a result, concern for others is not based on loyalty or intrinsic respect, but rather a "You scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours." mentality.[2] The lack of a societal perspective in the pre-conventional level is quite different from the social contract (stage five), as all actions have the purpose of serving the individual's own needs or interests. For the stage two theorist, the world's perspective is often seen as morally relative.


Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: Bitcoin Oz on September 24, 2012, 01:15:29 AM
I updated the OP with evidence of Goat's scammy business practices. Is he going to repay the people he sold the shares too ?


Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: stochastic on September 24, 2012, 02:53:20 AM
He abused Nefario's goodwill to sell fake GLBSE shares to unsuspecting victims for his own profit and deserves a scammer label.



This-
I sold 2x at 10 btc and one at 11 btc.

I paid something like .05 btc for them. I still have many more I will sell but looking to get close to 10BTC each  ;)



When Nefario offered to basically double Goat's original investment
We will be executing a forced buyback for all the outstanding shares of the asset GLBSE that was a scam asset, we will be paying the same price per asset that was paid when the scam happened (0.1BTC).

When the event happened, I didn't have the power to declare those assets as legitimate and doing so was a mistake on my part.

Nefario.





I think only Nefario can claim a scammer tag since it is between him and goat.


Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: LoupGaroux on September 24, 2012, 04:28:08 AM
One can only wonder if Goatse was the criminal behind the original fake issue of GLBSE? He was certainly very active issuing other assets at that unregulated time, and seems to be awfully wounded and full of pride about having those fake assets honored, which his own words seem to indicate he purchased well after they were know to be fake.


Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: LoupGaroux on September 24, 2012, 04:48:56 AM
Keep trying rice boy, someday you may just get a clue.


Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: phungus on September 24, 2012, 01:52:43 PM
Keep trying rice boy, someday you may just get a clue.

This is the second time I've seen you slander this other person by calling him 'rice boy'.

That does not help YOUR reputation at all.

I have no interest in this other than it's an interesting community development.

People who slander other people fall down a few notches in my eyes because they show themselves to be unconscious people who have no empathy for others.

-p


Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: Nefario on September 24, 2012, 09:37:07 PM
Keep trying rice boy, someday you may just get a clue.
This is the second time I've seen you slander this other person by calling him 'rice boy'.

Because he's trying to sell rice (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=111837.msg1209064#msg1209064)


Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: phungus on September 25, 2012, 12:53:37 AM

Well, okay then. I now understand. Goat is a trying to be a rice farmer. :-)


I had no idea.


Honestly, I don't care at all. I think I was just reading too many forum posts this morning. I should refrain from doing that after my normal wake routine. :-)

-p


Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: mufa23 on September 25, 2012, 01:06:01 AM
https://i.imgur.com/Idaax.jpg


Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: 🏰 TradeFortress 🏰 on September 25, 2012, 07:12:30 AM
nefarino is a scammer


Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: Akka on September 25, 2012, 12:38:19 PM
Don't think he's a scammer "per se", the correct "tag" would be: Level 2 of Morality Development! ;D

Quote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg's_stages_of_moral_development
Stage two (self-interest driven) espouses the "what's in it for me" position, in which right behavior is defined by whatever is in the individual's best interest. Stage two reasoning shows a limited interest in the needs of others, but only to a point where it might further the individual's own interests. As a result, concern for others is not based on loyalty or intrinsic respect, but rather a "You scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours." mentality.[2] The lack of a societal perspective in the pre-conventional level is quite different from the social contract (stage five), as all actions have the purpose of serving the individual's own needs or interests. For the stage two theorist, the world's perspective is often seen as morally relative.

Wow, I didn't know there where such classification. That's exactly what I thought what Goats problem is, but failed to describe it.

I don't mean that offensive. That is just really the way I think Goat ticks.


Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: BitcoinINV on September 25, 2012, 01:19:41 PM
I don't know what the goat on the boat thing is about but I could not help myself
http://imageshack.us/a/img818/1898/goatsboats.jpg


Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: BitcoinINV on September 25, 2012, 02:19:54 PM
Damn, I was hoping there was something funny behind it lol.


Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: guruvan on September 25, 2012, 07:37:43 PM
Keep trying rice boy, someday you may just get a clue.

This is the second time I've seen you slander this other person by calling him 'rice boy'.

That does not help YOUR reputation at all.

I have no interest in this other than it's an interesting community development.

People who slander other people fall down a few notches in my eyes because they show themselves to be unconscious people who have no empathy for others.

-p


People who have nothing more convincing than epithets just get ignored. If Loup wasn't calling him riceboy, he'd use some other implied derogation. It really diminishes his credibility.


Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: LoupGaroux on September 26, 2012, 12:35:24 AM
First off... you have completely taken the remark out of context. It was not derogatory, it was a reference to another thread where Goat and I are enjoying a lively debate about his proposal to denude Southeast Asia and start a forced labor concentration camp for rice farming, all while illegally investing under false premises in land he cannot legally own, at this time.

Secondly... you have mis-characterized my remark by making a contraction of "rice" and "boy". I referred to him as "rice boy", a phrase clearly not intended for cheap racial slander, but a play on his next investment vehicle.

Third... comments are not the fabric of the credibility universe. Content is. If I consistently state truth, if I decry the false for what it is, that esse quam videri credibility. If you choose to support an alternate viewpoint, and I encourage you to do so, you can only judge my credibility through the filter of time and historical fact. Right now, Goat's dishonest dealings are a hot topic with me. My credibility on that issue will be available for review in due time when and if Goat is proven to be a scammer because of his support of the pirate long con; his intentional mis-information campaign against Nefario and GLBSE;, his legacy of failed assets on GLBSE that have done nothing but produce losses for the investors in the long term, which has now been banned due to his irrational behavior; and the possibility of his share-cropping scheme as a bitcoin investment, which involves a number of moral concerns, legal entanglements and outright wrong behavior.


Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: oldschool on September 27, 2012, 02:29:39 AM
Keep trying rice boy, someday you may just get a clue.
This is the second time I've seen you slander this other person by calling him 'rice boy'.

Because he's trying to sell rice (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=111837.msg1209064#msg1209064)

LOL - funniest thing I've read on the forums all day....
I am neutral in my thoughts on all this, and I personally thought what a racist to say 'rice boy' but now I do remember reading the thread a few days ago about buying a rice field... holy shit that was funny man

+1


Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: JoelKatz on September 27, 2012, 03:08:01 AM
He abused Nefario's goodwill to sell fake GLBSE shares to unsuspecting victims for his own profit and deserves a scammer label.
Say Nefario says, "I'll buy gold for $10,000 per ounce". So Goat buys a bunch of gold expecting to sell it for $10,000 per ounce. Then Nefario says, "Sorry, I can't pay that much", I'll have to give you much less. You think *Goat* is scamming?

Goat relied on a representation that Nefario made where Nefario specifically intended that representation to increase the value of the previously worthless asset. If this is scammy behavior, it's only because he should have somehow known not to rely on Nefario's word. Nefario certainly had apparent authority to make that offer, though it now seems he didn't have the actual authority.



Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: oldschool on September 27, 2012, 03:44:35 AM
Keep trying rice boy, someday you may just get a clue.
This is the second time I've seen you slander this other person by calling him 'rice boy'.

Because he's trying to sell rice (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=111837.msg1209064#msg1209064)

LOL - funniest thing I've read on the forums all day....
I am neutral in my thoughts on all this, and I personally thought what a racist to say 'rice boy' but now I do remember reading the thread a few days ago about buying a rice field... holy shit that was funny man

+1

Farming is comedy gold!  ;)

No matter what any of these people say, I still think your a good guy goat.... and if nothing else you've brought me some comedy relief on the forums!

Everyone keeps thinking goat is scamming, I think it might just be that he's unlucky as hell with all the things he's been scammed on lately.


Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: mobodick on September 27, 2012, 04:55:35 PM
Damn, I was hoping there was something funny behind it lol.
That's what i tought when i saw your profile pic.
BAM!


Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: LoupGaroux on September 27, 2012, 04:57:19 PM
Keep trying rice boy, someday you may just get a clue.
This is the second time I've seen you slander this other person by calling him 'rice boy'.

Because he's trying to sell rice (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=111837.msg1209064#msg1209064)

LOL - funniest thing I've read on the forums all day....
I am neutral in my thoughts on all this, and I personally thought what a racist to say 'rice boy' but now I do remember reading the thread a few days ago about buying a rice field... holy shit that was funny man

+1

Farming is comedy gold!  ;)

No matter what any of these people say, I still think your a good guy goat.... and if nothing else you've brought me some comedy relief on the forums!

Everyone keeps thinking goat is scamming, I think it might just be that he's unlucky as hell with all the things he's been scammed on lately.

Loudest proponent of the pirate scheme. Made plenty of loot passing through the profits that were stolen by pirate. Has failed more business ventures than he has fingers, and collapses all of them by liquidating assets and not giving anything to the shareholders.

What does constitute a scammer in your world?


Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: mobodick on September 27, 2012, 05:14:22 PM
Keep trying rice boy, someday you may just get a clue.
This is the second time I've seen you slander this other person by calling him 'rice boy'.

Because he's trying to sell rice (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=111837.msg1209064#msg1209064)

LOL - funniest thing I've read on the forums all day....
I am neutral in my thoughts on all this, and I personally thought what a racist to say 'rice boy' but now I do remember reading the thread a few days ago about buying a rice field... holy shit that was funny man

+1

Farming is comedy gold!  ;)

No matter what any of these people say, I still think your a good guy goat.... and if nothing else you've brought me some comedy relief on the forums!

Everyone keeps thinking goat is scamming, I think it might just be that he's unlucky as hell with all the things he's been scammed on lately.

That would also make goat way too dumb to handle currency.
I don't see pirate not paying out as 'unlucky'.
If goat is really bleeding because of pirate then he's just a dumb fuck because he should have known better than to trust a 7% per week scheme.
Or it could be greed, as greed, like big tits, makes men drop their rationality instantaniously (Yes, i've been involved in a tit-related car accident).

But in any case, i would be SEVERELY disappointed if goat was not a scammer of some sorts...


Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: oldschool on September 27, 2012, 05:34:12 PM
Does this forum have multi-quote?

Anyways, my thoughts are that we are all bigboys here.  I don't think goat is being outright malicious and criminal with his action and not deserving of being called a scammer.  I think it's more of some bad financial decisions and.... well I'm not going to beat a dead horse with it.  People need to evaluate things on their own and judge for themselves when it comes to decisions.

I just like to sit back with my tub of popcorn and laugh, not at peoples misfortunes but at the comments both of you have made.  Rice boy(in a non derogatory way amazingly enough) and titty crashes, this is pure comedy ;)  Thank you both for making me laugh :)


Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: Testit on September 27, 2012, 05:50:51 PM
So much hate ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SZTOBkiMdU


Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: Dansker on September 28, 2012, 08:28:04 PM
No scammer tag for goat for this imo.

This seems to be personal vendetta, not scam accusation with anything behind it other than "butthurt".


Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: oldschool on October 09, 2012, 03:38:08 PM
He abused Nefario's goodwill to sell fake GLBSE shares to unsuspecting victims for his own profit and deserves a scammer label.



This-
I sold 2x at 10 btc and one at 11 btc.

I paid something like .05 btc for them. I still have many more I will sell but looking to get close to 10BTC each  ;)



When Nefario offered to basically double Goat's original investment
We will be executing a forced buyback for all the outstanding shares of the asset GLBSE that was a scam asset, we will be paying the same price per asset that was paid when the scam happened (0.1BTC).

When the event happened, I didn't have the power to declare those assets as legitimate and doing so was a mistake on my part.

Nefario.





This guy is now known to be a GLBSE shareholder and was protecting Nefarios (a tagged scammer) action at the time while telling lies about me. I ignored this thread because I thought OP was a joke and a fool. Now I know he was just protecting his interests. What a scammer OP is..

It is no shock that now OP is being investigated for being a scammer...

What corruption....



+1


Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: Nancarrow on October 09, 2012, 03:52:30 PM
No, YOU'RE a scammer!

(Not too sure who I'm replying to here, but does it really matter any more?)


Title: Re: Scammer - Goat
Post by: SaltySpitoon on October 10, 2012, 04:04:07 PM
We should probably just save us all some time, and request that every member get a scammer tag for something or the other.  ::)

I was going to ship something out one time, and I was a day late! DEFINITELY A SCAM! The guy might not have bought it if he would have known that I would be a day late; that was one of the incentives to buy, and therefore was reflected in the cost! So by shipping a day late, I might have cost him .05082973 BTC for defaulting on his expectation. I'm so ashamed...  :'(


Title: Re: [Retracted]
Post by: Bitcoin Oz on October 11, 2012, 01:51:01 AM
Ive retracted the request for a scammer tag and published an apology linked in the OP.