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Have you heard of this? Search YouTube and check out how many videos have popped up recently. ;)

I've spoken up in other threads, that I think debate is great. You learn something new everyday. Though most laugh at this immediately, I find the debates going on fascinating.

Why is there such an insurgence of flat-earthers in 2015? And why is the UN logo an image of one?

I figure I don't need to show you the opposite side of this theory, most people believe the Earth to be a sphere in an infinite universe.


NASA Insider Exposes the Flat Earth!  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQt9vq3sdtQ)

Published on Feb 8, 2015

Matthew Boylan, former NASA operational graphics manager, worked for years creating photo-realistic computer graphics for NASA. Now a vocal Flat-Earther, Boylan claims that NASA’s sole reason for existence is to propagandize the public and promote this false ball-Earth heliocentric worldview. Originally recruited because of his skills and reputation as a hyper-realist multi-media artist, he started doing projects like photoshopping various lighting and atmospheric effects onto images of Earth, the Moon, Jupiter, Europa, etc. Having proved himself, and wanting to promote him to do more classified work, a room of NASA higher-ups during a party, as a type of initiatory-rite, explained to him and a few others in detail the reality of the Geocentric Flat-Earth model and how they have fooled the entire world!

His Website Plane Not A Planet (http://aplanetruth.info/)


Did you know people are actively trying to prove the Earth is Flat right now?

Flat Earth Theory Laser Test Results, Skeptics And Eric Dubay (Jeranism 2015 Update)  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3hnIl81upw) - A pretty balanced discussion on both sides of the debate

Flat Earth Shills, Trolling, Jeranism And Eric Dubay (2015 Debate Context) (Part 3)  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liCYmVqrwMo)

Flat Earth Basic Q&A - Part 1  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzQmGJp18uw) - talks about seasons, time zones, sun/moon theories etc.

4 Mile Laser Test Shows Proof of No Curvature (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uersWDp-3c)


For those who have never thought of it before, to consider (even if you never believe, just consider) the Earth being flat, it can blow your mind like in the Matrix. I have said I considered there was no God, but I never believed it. You can consider it, and not believe it.


New Evidence Earth is Center of Universe - Dark Energy or Geocentrism? Modern Science at a Crossroads (http://loveforlife.com.au/content/10/03/03/new-evidence-earth-center-universe-dark-energy-or-geocentrism-modern-science-crossr) by Robert Sungenis, Ph.D.

"The most significant scientific evidence that is challenging Copernican cosmology hails from that gathered by astronomers themselves. In short, they are increasingly confronted with evidence that places Earth in the center of the universe. In a paper written by three astrophysicists from Oxford in 2008 evidence for the centrality of the Earth was the simplest explanation for the practical and mathematical understanding of the universe, far superior to the forced invention of “Dark Energy” to support the Copernican model."

I think some people have way to much spare time on their hands for their own good.

Human Being is devolving beware!

Why? Because the Earth is in fact flat.

You'd weigh 17,000 lbs at the north pole if Earth were a spinning globe. Check out the clouds just before sunrise, dark on the bottom light on the top. Get a telescopic and check out lighthouses that can be seen from impossible distances if the Earth were a globe. Measure the distance to the Sun with a sextant. The list goes on and on...

You've been lied to, globe Earth theory is the biggest mind-control conspiracy of all time.

EDIT:

I've reviewed the calculations and I'll admit I'm wrong on 17k lbs point, due to the claimed large radius of Earth the centripetal force is actually rather insignificant.

Oh, it's FACT is it?

Rofl :D ;D  ;)

Sorry i still love all of you  :-*

I've read about this a while back. I had no idea it was such big "movement..."

 8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNqNnUJVcVs

"The great masses will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one" -- Hitler

https://i.imgur.com/k6BF8IZ.jpg

500 years and counting...

Note: those are pens not antennae.

Cool! All hail Terry Pratchett :)! Can someone tell me where can I find the Rim on Travelrepublic or on booking.com? Some reviews about the best hotels there would be also useful :).

It would have been better if you had tried to debunk what he said in a form of debate instead of asking a question to something he's already stated.



Thanks for the video, it was cool.


For those who have never thought of it before, to consider (even if you never believe, just consider) the Earth being flat, it can blow your mind like in the Matrix. I have said I considered there was no God, but I never believed it. You can consider it, and not believe it.

What's interesting to me is that many of the flat-earthers are not religious, yet if the Earth could be proven to be flat, IMHO it would closer to proving to the world that there is a creator, simply because it is not an infinite universe as we've been taught.

Also, the bible states the Earth is flat.

This is how Genesis describes the Earth being created:

http://biologos.org/uploads/static-content/OTcosmos.jpg


The Earth is FLAT ~The planes help to prove the plane  (https://youtu.be/yNVgzk3tbl0?t=23s) - Video that shows how far flights should be according to Google Maps, and then tries to book flights. Also shows the flight paths, that look odd on a globe, but make sense on a flat earth map.

https://i.imgur.com/LRTva6m.png
https://i.imgur.com/zgdZ2KC.png

The Horizon doesn't curve, Ships Zoom, Flat Earth (https://youtu.be/VFhhCYYkILw) - Shows what looks like a boat disappearing over the curve, zoomed in, you can still see it clearly.

https://i.imgur.com/iFj9Tlh.png
https://i.imgur.com/20IIg2Z.png

It's quite simple to prove, all that's needed is a telescope or telephoto lens and anybody can perform a variant on the Bedford level experiment.

You can see for yourself in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3qn2lUbix0

I'm sorry I forgot to mention. The UN has declared the Antarctic off limits (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System), to the public.

"The treaty, entering into force in 1961 and as of 2015 having 52 parties,[2] sets aside Antarctica as a scientific preserve, establishes freedom of scientific investigation and bans military activity on that continent. "

I was just going to post that song! Good thing I clicked the video first. lol

I know you've deceived me, now here's a surprise
I know that you have 'cause there's magic in my eyes

I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles
Oh yeah

If you think that I don't know about the little tricks you've played
And never see you when deliberately you put things in my way

Well, here's a poke at you
You're gonna choke on it too
You're gonna lose that smile
Beacuse all the while

I can see for miles and miles
I can see for miles and miles
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles
Oh yeah

You took advantage of my trust in you when I was so far away
I saw you holding lots of other guys and now you've got the nerve to say

That you still want me
Well, that's as may be
But you gotta stand trial
Because all the while

I can see for miles and miles
I can see for miles and miles
I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles
Oh yeah

I know you've deceived me, now here's a surprise
I know that you have 'cause there's magic in my eyes

I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles
Oh yeah

The Eiffel Tower and the Taj Mahal are mine to see on clear days
You thought that I would need a crystal ball to see right through the haze

Not sure what u mean.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Antarctica

*edit

Was actually just thinking of booking a trip and see if i really weight 17.000 lbs there lol

If one were allowed to explore past the Antarctic ice wall (it's locked down tighter than Area 51) I suspect there would be no rim, I think the Earth might be an almost infinite plane with other Suns orbiting above other worlds.


You're not allowed to wander off on your own....

So you mean i will be only able to walk over areas with no gravitation  or where they build an anti gravitation device so that i dont notice the 10.000+++ lbs?

Please cite a source i cant find anything about such places that are forbidden for the public.
if you have enough funds you can go everywhere in antartica

Are your weight figures based on gravity? The idea is with a flat Earth, gravity either doesn't exist, or doesn't work the way we think it does.

The Earth is stationary, it's the Sun that orbits.

I see now, but then we could not explain why the rest of our sunsystem works like it works.

Google this:

Gravitational lens. Examples like this shows that our understanding of gravity is correct

Gravity like centrifugal force is fictitious.   

The same reason we have so many climate change denialists in 2015: many/most children are brainwashed with superstitious pseudo-reasoning during their formative years by organized religions.

Off topic: (consciousness)

Remember that stupid story about the dress? Was the dress gold and brown or blue and black? That morning I saw that stupid dress and could not believe some people could see it blue and black. I could not understand what all the fuss was about. It was clearly gold and brown. And not yellow. I mean GOLD and BROWN. Not doubt about it. I was laughing so hard and felt sad for the people who only saw it as blue and black. I've looked at the dress on my calibrated monitor on my PC. I've looked at the same article on my ipad. The dress was definitely gold and brown.

Then later that day an article put what I was seeing as gold and brown, then scrolling down the same article was showing the same dress, but in a different picture. When I scrolled back up to compare the first image of that dress in the same article I could no longer see it as gold and brown...

This is one of the most bizarre experience in my life. My reality got a .1 update in real time. Until today I can not see the color I was seeing the first time I saw that dress.



Maybe Physical Reality is an established consensus among sentient observers...

As far as the flight paths, you will notice the chosen path which seems to not make any sense, makes a lot more sense suddenly when you look closer to see they took that way because THERE ARE ISLANDS TO LAND ON TO REFUEL.

As far as the ship, this is not proof of anything either. If you are on land, you are ABOVE SEA LEVEL, meaning any time you look at a ship at a distance, you are looking down on it, negating the effect of it being hidden behind the curvature of the earth until it goes further away. Also it is pretty clear the photographer is on a hill from the photos.




You wish your beliefs had such scientific acceptance as the earth being round. The roundness of the earth is a documented fact. Using something other than "psuedo-reasoning", such as scientific studies, prove that humans are causing global warming. Oh yes that's right you can't, because either they don't exist or they are completely unscientific bullshit. We all know how allergic you are to providing scientific studies to back up your Marxist religious dogma.

Yeah I remember the fuss about that, I figured it was a stupid marketing gimmick to get women to open up their purse strings. I didn't pay any attention to it but, if there is something weird like you say then perhaps it belongs in the The Berenstæin Bears (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1079258.0) thread.

Hmm...

Because some people are at war with science. They are so desperate to disbelieve that they will cling to anything available to 'prove' their anti-science position, using 'data' taken from their inferior experiments.

I'm guessing deep down you already knew this already.

Part of the problem is the standards of what people call "science" has dropped unbelievably low due to general ignorance of the population about correct scientific method. As a result bad information is passed off as "science", resulting in idiocy like this where people start rejecting all science because it is increasingly grouped in with bad information.

Global warming is generally responsible for making people more stupider, more irrational, prone to wars and other things as a side-effect of the food supply reduction.

I seen this all on youtube just never bothered to watch because its so stupid to think the earth is flat so why waste my time when i can watch something more interesting  ;) ;)

This forum is full of all kinds of crazy anti-science bullshit and religious fundamentalism: Willikon, Spendulus and their global warming denialism, BAdecker and his creationism, Actor Tom Truong and his inbred bloodlines, saddam and his Nazi pseudoscience, you won't find a better recruiting ground for a flat earth cult than bitcointalk.

As for the flight paths, on the globe map, it looks almost exactly the same distance to get from Australia to South America, as it does to go from Australia to the US. I understand what you're saying, but that's pushing it, they seem like the same distance or very close to it.

For another level video closer to the ground: https://youtu.be/F4w41bjgymw?t=1m


Edit: By believing in science, I mean, believing in science in the same way someone believes in a religion, such as taking things as faith, instead of testing them personally.

On the contrary, your own words say most people these days believe in science over religion. Which is it more people believing science or more people believing in religion? If, by your own words, there are less and less parents believing in religion, then there will be less and less children taught in religion, and more and more people believing in science. How do you explain the fact that more and more people are not believing in science with your premises?


No, along with my previous response to Beliathon, I find it hard to explain why people would be disbelieving in science these days. Also, I mentioned, most people on the flat earth stand point, are NOT religious.


Really? I thought that most if not all people would not believe in it. I agreed with Beliathon that most people believe in science over religion these days. Most people believe in science over superstitions, etc. I also want to point out this wasn't to convince people, but to cause debate over why people are starting to argue this these days.

According to my thoughts, and people like Beliathon, more and more people are believing in science. I would add they believe in science, like a religion, with a faith that means they do not look and try to prove it themselves, or try to disprove it.

None of this can account for the people who are starting to try to disprove it, remembering that most of the dis-provers are not religious. In fact there is a whole page on the flat earth and Christianity trying to prove the bible does not say the earth is flat (http://www.gotquestions.org/flat-earth-Bible.html).

How the hell do you "believe" in science? Do you believe that 2+2=4? I thought it could be tested, guess I was wrong...

It's all about people with flat feet needing something stable to walk on.    ;D

By that I would be meaning, believing in science in the same way someone believes in a religion, such as taking things as faith, instead of testing them personally. Sorry, I should have clarified that, I will edit now.

And yet I do not believe the earth is flat. I do not believe in carbon taxes to save the planet either. I believe in free speech and you have the right to participate by sharing your ideas and insults, as long it is not an open and direct threat toward anyone here.

You can also "ignore" me or stop visiting this sub as I do not post in other subs, or very rarely.

 :)

There comes a time when debate is pointless. The Earth is not flat. Debate on the topic is not great, it's evidence of either stupidity, trolling, or subversion for personal gain (money, attention, notoriety; whatever your currency of choice).

There are certain topics where I wouldn't characterize debate as "great", and this is one of them. Not to say people aren't free to be stupid, but celebrating it is going too far.

Saw this point and just wanted to elucidate: Your point that faith in science and faith in religion have parallels may be true, but with one major difference in that science deals in things that are objectively and demonstrably true and verifiable, whereas religion is based entirely on things that are not. I wouldn't characterize these types of faiths as being the same, as faith in things that can be proven doesn't seem like faith to me at all. Faith in the principles of science may be closer, but still, that's based on a history of producing results and doesn't seem very faith-like in the religious sense.

So you think expecting that a plane has to refuel is "pushing it"? Did you even read the whole sentence before you decided it was not true? The distance between the two is NOT THE SAME. The route that is longer ALSO HAS ISLANDS IN ITS PATH TO LAND ON FOR REFUELING. I don't know how familiar you are with the technology in planes, but they can not just fly endlessly over open ocean without having to land to refuel.

As far as your video, I have been to the top of a tall building and seen the curvature of the earth for myself. I will trust my own eyes over some nutbag youtube video, thanks.

Is "string theory" a clown show? Is psychology a science?

As for the evidence it suggests, most of the people trying to prove the Earth is flat, are not getting any money, and are being ridiculed. I will give you trolling, it could be a reason, but I don't think it's stupidity, as they are attempting to disprove a theory that is heavily regarded. If they are going to be successful, they will have to work harder than many to come up with a proof that is accepted. You may consider a waste of time because you think they will not succeed. But I believe working for something, even if proven wrong, still teaches you something.

Also, looking at the world in ways others don't consider, well, this is how inventions are made. Just look throughout history, there are examples of inventions that were made from things that had no relation. You never know when a positive will come out of scientific work.


Faith in science and faith in religion are the exact same thing, until someone tried to prove or disprove either.

Yes, science can have things "proven" more readily than religion can, but the point I'm trying to make here, is that people in general do NOT. Yes, many scientists do.

But as a whole, asking someone on the street, "why does gravity work", or "how fast is the Earth spinning", you probably won't even get a correct response. Now, if you get the answer you're looking for, ask, "how do you prove that those answers are true?" Even fewer will be able to tell you. Now of those who know, ask them to prove it for you. How many people do you think know the scientific answers and will actually be able to prove it or have ever attempted to in the past?


Now whether or not science can be proven. There are some people who believe we are hooked up to a machine, like the matrix. I am totally serious. But how do they prove to scientists that the gravity, and the mechanisms in the world only work this way because the simulation/matrix/machine tells it to? How do you know all of this isn't a dream and you'll wake up on Venus tomorrow and Earth is inhabitable? How do you prove you're not dreaming right now? Is there a scientific way?

Remember when the school's funding was cut because we thought education was so expensive? Well the kids are grown up now and they are as ignorant as a box of hammers. Just wait till you see how much stupid costs.  ;)

You totally ignored the fact I agreed that planes had to refuel. I never said that was pushing it, lol.

But Beliathon says we're getting smarter as a species, the majority of people believe in science, and trust it wholeheartedly? Shouldn't the number of people who would take this seriously go down? Why has no one answered the topic of this thread?

Thanks to great teachers backed by the teacher's union (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQjApwBv1HU)

I know that there is a dramatic increase in atheism, but I'm not sure faith in the scientific method means understanding science. Look at how many flat-Earth-ers, bigfoot trackers, and UFO enthusiasts point to their "data" and use various electronic quackery devices to "study" their topic. None of it is even remotely scientific, but how would they know?
I still think it is the rise of stupidity and the flawed idea that different theories can be weighted equally in science. For example, how many geographers think the world is flat?  


What does that have to do with teachers unions? It is just a collection of stories from around the world of "worst teachers". Do you think that turning teaching into a "McJob" is going to help with this? Not that I care. I have always been one of the highest paid teachers in the states I have lived in.
How? easy, I teach rich kids. The rich lawmakers who cut school budgets and bust school unions certainly don't want their kids to become dummies.  When they attack teachers they mean the people who teach YOUR kids. Your the "little man", you only need to know enough to sweep the streets and pay taxes for the wealthy. My kids pay as much as $90,000 for a 6th. grade education. Do you think they learn about the flatness of the earth or ignore evolution? Please, they are going to college.

http://cdn.rsvlts.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/earth-as-seen-from-the-international-space-station-hq-photos-video.png

Looks pretty round to me.

I think half of these flat earthers are just trolling. Or maybe like Alex Jones and David Icke they don't believe half of the shit they say but can make money off peddling the paranoia and fear to the gullible. I mean, somebody is always buying their books.

Yeah, it does look pretty round.

https://i.imgur.com/A6NAJAi.jpg

Hey TECH, you seem to be knowledgeable regarding air traffic. Perhaps you could explain to us why all flights turn off their GPS when flying over the ocean in the southern hemisphere?

Well I did a few posts up. Not my fault you disagreed with the answer.

1) Can you provide us with some stats to show us this uptrend of flat people?
2) What's your answer to the thread topic then?

Ok, let's say that there are more and more people currently who believe in things such as big-foot, UFO's, spirits, etc. I can see how these people are growing in population. Then, the question is, why are there more people who are not accepting the scientific data, or explanations of these experiences or weird photos?

I guess my thought would be, people are not getting satisfaction from science. They believe there are things science has not properly explained yet. Humanity is getting more ignorant, but they still lean on science in general. The problem here, I see, is that science is not explaining "weird" things that humanity is seeing. However, I don't see how the flat-earth falls into this category, because science has pretty well explained it, to the point, people shouldn't be looking for another explanation.  


I don't see how they are making money.


Ok, your answer was, “Because some people are at war with science. They are so desperate to disbelieve that they will cling to anything available to 'prove' their anti-science position, using 'data' taken from their inferior experiments.”

Yes, I do not agree with you. What would have caused these people to disbelieve in science? Above, in this post, I wrote that some people have experiences that they cannot explain with science. I can see why they would maybe start thinking there are other things science cannot explain. But science has already explained, in depth, about the global world, and continues to provide evidence with each passing day (like Pluto pictures). What pushes someone from something that has so much proof and explanation, to the point that they want to disprove it? Shouldn't they be out there trying to prove aliens exist or big-foot exists, which might be far easier to fake and change other people's opinions, versus trying to prove the laws of gravity are fake? Also, the flat-earthers tell people to do these experiments themselves. If they wanted to discredit science, the far easier way would be to fake things, under their specific conditions, instead of explaining how someone else can come to the same conclusion.

1) Sadly specific stats will be hard, not too many people poll humanity to whether or not they believe the earth is flat, lol. I think we all know why.

"A genuine Flat Earth Society ran from 1956 to 2001, peaking at 3,500 members, keeping up a stream of newsletters during that time....More recently, the society has been “refounded”, including a substantial website and wiki." (link (http://www.iflscience.com/space/there-are-still-people-who-believe-earth-flat-usa))

The rest is built upon YouTube searches. If you check out the videos, far more videos are recent videos, and the top viewed video about the subject has 6,187,528 views and was released only 7 months ago. If this was not something people (on both sides) were interested in, why would it have so much activity recently?

2)

Example 1) The Earth is flat, God knows it's flat, and He's sick of people being deceived.

Luke 8:17 For nothing is hidden that will not become evident, nor anything secret that will not be known and come to light.
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

From a non-religious stand point, The Truth will out (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/truth_will_out)

Example 2) The Earth is a globe. Humanity is sick of having experiences that have not been explained by science, and are looking for other possibilities, because science has not explained everything perfectly yet. Scientists right now are working at CERN with antimatter to learn how it works and are confused, waiting to learn how it works so they can explain it to others.

"Everything in our universe is made of matter, but a century of physics has revealed that at the beginning of time, an exactly equal amount of antimatter existed. Then, two seconds after the Big Bang, something changed and suddenly there was more matter than antimatter. What we don't know is how matter won and opened the door to existence as we know it. If we can produce antimatter long enough to study it -- as it appears we have -- we have a fighting chance of figuring out how we got that extra one up there." (link (http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/06/scientists-create-antimatter-they-can-actually-study/239933/))

Seeing as how scientists still don't know how everything works yet, makes people uneasy, maybe.

However, I still don't really see how that has anything to with the flat-earth revival, as science pretty much had that covered.

Random, but you know the people who believe in flat earth will be talking about this forever:

Artist's Decades-Old Painting of Pluto Is Eerily Accurate (https://www.yahoo.com/makers/newly-captured-images-of-pluto-are-shockingly-124189039895.html)

"NASA’s New Horizons spacecraft is currently sending back the most detailed pictures of Pluto ever taken. But if the images from the historic flyby look just a little familiar to you, there might be a good reason why.

A new image of the dwarf planet tweeted by NASA yesterday bears a striking resemblance to a painting of Pluto created in 1979 – before any detailed information about this far-off celestial body was known and it was nothing more than a tiny blur through even the best telescopes.

Conspiracy theorists, start your engines.

Take a look at the two images side by side. The one on the right is a three-decades-old painting! The main question is this: How could the artist, astronomical painter Don Dixon, obtain detailed information about Pluto 36 years ago? "

Yeah, must be because of Sir Terry's passing.

So, when's the expedition to the circumfence starting?  ::)

But the reason these debates are injected (flat earth, evolution denial, invention of gods), is because the sheeple need to be dumbed down.

And UN logo is just a projection. One of many possible. People should really start learning about such stuff in school.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map_projection

Specifically this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map_projection#Azimuthal_.28projections_onto_a_plane.29

The generation that is devoured to religion and superstition are finally coming around to social media by the masses. There are not more flat earthers, the flat earthers are just becoming more vocal.

Artistic plagiarism on NASA's part. Why paint a picture of Pluto from scratch when they can just rip one off?

---

"NASA WHISTLE BLOWER IMAGE HOAXSTER"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKbdH7a2IZw

The funny thing is that you have to be more than ignorant to believe this, you have to be willfully ignorant. No teacher at a school or trip to the museum is informing this belief. You have to force yourself to think that despite hundreds of years of global navigation and millions of trips around the world each month, somehow no one ever noticed that the Earth is flat. WTF?
You have to reject geology, astronomy, geography, all maps, hundreds of scientific experiments that clearly demonstrate the roundness of the Earth going back over two thousand years (Eratosthenes of Cyrene); and everyone you meet.  
Basically you have to be Alex Jones.  :D

They are attempting to disprove a fact, not a theory that is heavily regarded. To say it as such is to criminally mischaracterize the merit of the "debate" they are trying to have. Anyone who does not accept facts is just too determined to be stupid to be salvageable. We have seen the planet from space. It is round. End of discussion.

You've been in space? ;)

To those who disbelieve the Earth is a sphere, they're obviously going to say it's a theory that the Earth is a sphere, that the images are pictures, and CGI effects, etc. You have to put yourself in the other person's shoes to see this. There's a video linked in the OP, that is a man claiming to have drawn the Earth from space for NASA, remember? Lots of people have been saying the moon landing was faked for a lot longer too.

It would be cool to figure out for sure its round by going out into space and looking down.

well in 5 years for 100.000 $ you are in.

(spaceX ticket if my memory is correct)

I'm not a believer in the "flat earth" bullshit, but, for discussion's sake I'll entertain the idea. The "flat earth believers" think the idea of NASA and space exploration is a front for money (go figure). Therefore, any and all evidence that has a Space reference to it (like a photo from a satellite) is dismissed in its entirety. It's hilarious actually. It shows the resilience these people show no matter the evidence thrown to them which is why this topic is still up for debate.

For comedy: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/
https://www.reddit.com/r/flatearthsociety/

Well to be fair the last photo is fake.

Wow that's cool I didn't know about that.

I'm sorry but spinning globe Earth theory is absolutely ridiculous, all you need a telescope to prove that it's the biggest crock of shit ever.

The same reason people go on YouTube and watch fluffy kittens fall off sofas videos or people making fools out of themselves on talent shows.
They watch them for entertainment purposes.

With 6+ million views, the author must be making good money with that one. So he then makes another video......

No, I have not been to space. :D  But I also don't doubt that hundreds have been, and I further don't need to thanks to the wonders of technology. This is too big of an issue to fake and keep faking for hundreds of years. All our technology and understanding of physics only works with a spherical planet. And it's verifiable for the whole world, it's not like such a huge conspiracy could be perpetrated. To believe so is to be especially removed reality. To be so ignorant of all the proof to cling to a disproven "theory" is a level of stupidity I don't need to engage. While they're free to "debate" (that word is being used as derisively as possible), it's not a delusion anyone should feel compelled to coddle because "debate is always good." No, sometimes it's just useless drivel.


And I wish Buzz Aldrin could punch every one of them in the face!

I recently posted this thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1131274.msg11942351#msg11942351), based on this article: NASA scientist says we may be living in a Matrix-like digital imprisonment designed by Aliens  (http://www.theeventchronicle.com/metaphysics/galactic/nasa-scientist-says-we-may-be-living-in-a-matrix-like-digital-imprisonment-designed-by-aliens/).

NASA scientist says we're living in a Matrix-like digital imprisonment, because "The idea that our Universe is a fiction generated by computer code solves a number of inconsistencies and mysteries about the cosmos."

There are a number of inconsistencies and mysteries about the cosmos.

"Another mystery explained by Dr Bostrom’s Matrix-like theory is the role of Dark Matter.
US theoretical cosmologist Michael Turner has called the hypothetical material “the most profound mystery in all of science”.

Dark Matter is one of many hypothetical materials used to explain a number of anomalies in the Standard Model – the all-encompassing theory science has used to explain the particles and forces of nature for the last 50 years."

There are a number of anomalies.

"If it exists, it would explain why galaxies spin at the speed they do – something which remains unexplained based only on what we can currently observe.

The Standard Model does not yet hold an explanation for the force of gravity."

This information is from May 13, 2015, and from a NASA scientist. They don't even know why gravity works the way it does. They're still trying to explain the mysteries away.

Flat-earthers say there is a dome above the Earth, that people can not go through. This is why other countries were not able to go to the moon, and the one country that did was a country that is large in motion pictures productions. The claim is we cannot go through the Van Allen Radiation Belts.

Man in space says we can only fly in Earth orbit - NASA Admits They Can't Send Humans Through The Van Allen Radiation Belts (https://youtu.be/51DED8dcNkA?t=1m34s)

There's an interesting video here: 6/22/2015 -- NASA 'accidentally' DRAINS the Van Allen Belts -- STS-75 'Tether Incident'  (https://youtu.be/3WdTWyvBfLs)

This new video makes it look like NASA has been attempting to get rid of the Van Allen Belt in an attempt to get through it, by destroying the Belt. Question is, did it create Global Warming?

From the caption from that video:

"Published on Jun 22, 2015

It appears that NASA actually DRAINED one of the protective Van Allen Radiation belts surrounding Earth.

This experiment was done, and was successful. No doubt, this could easily cause "climate change" , since the Van Allen Belts protect us from solar radiation , high electron voltage.

During the experiment, after deploying the tether in space, they say the tether "broke" and floated away into Earth's orbit.

They were never able to retrieve the floating tether, which worked exactly as expected, and became a glowing bright object in space for several weeks (3 months).

They do not say whether the Tether fell back to Earth, however the height of the experiment leans towards the fact that the tether is still up in space , along with the satellite carrying it.

The projected timeframe for REMOVING the inner van allen belt was 2 months time. This all occurred in 1996, and for sure was up THREE months.... thus we can begin to see that the same time we started seeing major "climate change" is the same time they removed one of the Van Allen belts.

If you remove a protective layer of the upper ionosphere , which shields us from the Sun, then you should expect the Sun to have a greater impact on the Earth below once the shield is gone.

That is exactly what happened. Global spikes in Temperatures, Earthquakes, and Volcanic eruptions began in earnest after the year 1996.

Now we know the culprit."

Pick one and stick with it? Can you go above the Earth or not? Are there "belts" outside the Earth, and if so, how was this found?

The Van Allen Radiation Belts would be right before the dome. If you can't get past the radiation belts, you can't hit the top of the dome. That isn't contradictory.

Van Allen radiation belt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Allen_radiation_belt)

So you can't get past the dome, but you can't also get past some radiation? How do they know you can't get past the dome if they didn't get past the radiation belts? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

So you're suggesting that one theory that is not by any means respected as "likely" by anything approaching a majority of scientific peers, and that happens to solve some inconsistencies without addressing all inconsistencies, should be considered credible enough to be assumed valid?

If this was true, then the Soviets would have exposed our lies during the Cold War for a badly needed public victory and to prove how evil the United States was, which they were unconvincingly preaching to the rest of the world for several decades in an attempt to prove the ideological superiority of communism.

But I'm sure some idiot has a half-baked conspiracy theory about why the Soviets colluded, right? I mean, there would have to be, because we wouldn't want any reality to seep in to puncture that cocoon of delusion.

Honestly, living in such a delusional world must be absolutely exhausting because every fact that contradicts the false reality has to be explained away with another conspiracy theory. Coming up with counter-reasons for all the facts is a never-ending prospect. I can't imagine the effort required!

No. I'm simply saying that there are inconsistencies that the scientists are still trying to figure out. Which would mean everything (about the globe earth and galaxy) can still be considered a theory if you allow for the theory this NASA scientist has, that the world we live in is nothing but a matrix imprisonment.

Either way, the reality is, we can never know for certain, unless you, yourself go and see space and look down on the Earth, but even then, it could all be a part of a matrix simulation, like the holodeck world in the Star Trek TNG (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_in_a_Bottle_%28Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation%29).

Ah, yeah, the NWO theory. That the leaders in power want a new world order, a one world government, most likely the UN (you know the ones with the flat earth map on their logo?), and want the individual people to believe there could be aliens, and an alien threat, and then start a NWO to save us from it.

Former President Clinton (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/04/bill-clinton-wouldnt-be-surprised-if-aliens-exist/): "If we were visited someday I wouldn't be surprised," Clinton said. "I just hope it's not like 'Independence Day.'"

Clinton went on to discuss some of the potential benefits to an alien invasion, framing his argument around the 1996 sci-fi disaster movie.

"It may be the only way to unite this increasingly divided world of ours … think about all the differences among people of Earth would seem small if we feel threatened by a space invader," Clinton said."

That's a common theme among presidents.

More info on the UN (https://youtu.be/cLaQo_FpbxA).

This is a pretty long video, but very interesting listen, if you're into these theories.

Flat Earth Clues Interview 12 - Canary Cry Radio via Skype Audio  (https://youtu.be/DN3CiSyjFYY)

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This is a map with info from the national weather service:

http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/equirectangular

From the about page:

earth

a visualization of global weather conditions

forecast by supercomputers

updated every three hours

 

ocean surface current estimates

updated every five days

 

ocean surface temperatures and

anomaly from daily average (1981-2011)

updated daily

 

ocean waves

updated every three hours



If you click on the "Earth" name on the left hand side, you can change the settings. You can grab the globe and turn it around 3 dimensionally. You can change temperatures. You can flip back and forth between the map types.

The Globe is the letter 'O' under the Projection option.

The Flat Earth is the 'AE' stands for Azimuthal equidistant projection (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuthal_equidistant_projection)


I encourage everyone to check it out, it's pretty cool.


Edit: I just noticed Antartica has some really cold temps! Nowhere near as warm as it is on the North Pole. The North Pole is .6 degrees Celsius.... it's -52 degrees Celsius in Antartica.

Its funny, when you think how deluded these people are.

So how does the internet work, huh? Since the Earth is flat, the satellite network cannot exist, there is no signal broadcast and no internet!

The internet is carried over fiber optic cables not bounced off the ionosphere with microwaves (satellite).

Where does internet in your mobile phone fit in? Or navigation in your automobile?

Denying Earths roundness isnt just sign of "creative thinking" but virtual denial of everything we have learned on the field of physics in the past two centuries, putting you on the same footing as those Saudi immams, who said on record, that ovulation is responsible for earthquakes or that (flat?) Earth is being orbited by (round) Sun.

Internet data on mobile phones is relayed via cellular transceivers on towers all over the place.

The "GPS" used in automobile navigation is relayed via microwaves bounced off the ionosphere.

It's the globe Earth theory that's the result of "creative thinking" in the biggest mass mind-control conspiracy of all time. The creative thinkers who concocted this knew the Earth was flat when they dreamt it up 500 years ago.

The ONLY debate here is; are the flat people just trolling or genuinely delusional?

Notice how the only thing the round-earthers can do is throw shit and attack anybody who disagrees with them.

Come on, the flat earth joke was funny at first but it's wearing thin now, time to stop.

Try to step back and think what if? (without believing it)

What if it is true? Think of how much had to have been lied about? If it is true, the sun is orbiting the Earth.

This is a map of the flat Earth by temperature. Guess where the sun's path would be, if this was the case? Doesn't it all just seem more symmetrical? The radius would get larger or smaller depending on what season it was.

https://i.imgur.com/GUkRZEH.png


Yes, I saw that too. They say they don't have time to waste discounting it because they have faith in what science has taught them.

Are you even aware, that Europeans of middle ages already knew, that Earth was round? That it was concieved by ancient Greeks two and half millenia ago?

Ever heard of PYTHAGORAS? Yeah, that guy.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Pythagoras-proof-anim.svg

Two hundred years later Eratosthenes actually calculated Earths diameter correctly.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Eratosthenes%27_method_for_determining_the_size_of_the_Earth.svg

So you can aswell throw out all your images and computers out of the window, since you are dismissing absolute basics of human understanding of both physics and mathematics.

Reminds me of Saudi imam, who was absolutely sure (he is on Youtube), that Earth isnt rotating at all, since that would mean (in his little brain), that he would never get anywhere by an airplane "against the stream". He also had problems with understanding implications of what he said.

Now, thinking about it, this is entertaining, I might "throw shit" at you guys more slowly, so you can catch it too.

What shape are other planets of the Solar system and why? Or is the Solar system hoax too?

That picture shows something that a video just talked about. Over distance the building or ships, etc should be tipped. NYC/Philadelphia skylines visible from 60 miles away because Earth is FLAT (https://youtu.be/LZjkCTaykPU?t=57s)

https://www.metabunk.org/data/MetaMirrorCache/b8a9098d1084d62e2547c7d82a4438da.png


The solar system, as you know it, would have to be a hoax. Did you watch the video of the man who painted a planet for NASA? Or check out the story about the book, Pluto’s Face Predicted in 1979 (http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2015/07/15/art_pluto_s_features_predicted_in_1979.html)? "Space Artist Don Dixon predicted what Pluto looked like back in 1979 … and he nailed it."

God created stars and the sun and the moon for time keepers (Genesis), not for destinations.

I find it hilarious, that you think you should be able the observe "roundness" of Earth with bare eyes, since its diameter is in excess of 42 000 kilometres, human being is not able to observe even half percent of that with perfect sight, standing on mountain top.

You use (often illustrative) images, that you cannot comprehend to prove your point and instead of making your own calculations, that would somehow prove your "Sun orbits flat Earth" theory, you source a Youtube video  ;D

On the other hand, I noticed, that you quoted Bible, when asked for the "rest" of Space. My assumption about your relation to those muslim clerics was correct then.

Occam's Razor: The principle states that among competing hypotheses that predict equally well, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected.

People have believed the Earth was flat for longer than they have believed the Earth was a sphere. Even the UN, and for some reason the National Weather Service use a flat Earth map. When you walk outside, it looks flat, it acts flat. I understand that supposedly as you go farther away you should be slanting down the side of the Earth. However you're claiming you can't see that (though there are a lot of videos with telescopes that claim to go for miles and miles and miles and still seem perfectly horizontal) The way the sun and moon and temperatures rotate around the world seem symmetrical in a flat Earth model.

Now to believe NASA and the leaders of the countries, and the UN (who has a flat Earth map as their logo and have the Antarctic protected so an average go can't go by himself) as to what else exists in the universe, seems to be taking a lot of assumptions, that most people don't test out.

I would think Occam's Razor should leave you to believe the one with the less assumptions. What you see is what you get? What you see is flat. I find it hilarious that the page for Occam's Razor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor) has it saying the Earth being in the center of the universe is wrong because of Occam's Razor. Yes I know that goes against my point, but I find that so funny. I just like to have an open mind and consider both sides of things. Hopefully someone's having fun too, with an open mind, reading this.

I'm not going to place faith in scientists. They don't even claim it's a religion, and yet people hold them up as an idol. I put my faith in the bible.

Christianity isn't muslim. This page (http://www.answering-christianity.com/earth_flat.htm) describes verses from the bible that state the earth is flat, and says Allah predicts the Earth was egg-shaped.

"Conclusion: The Bible not only failed to claim that the Earth was egg-shaped, but it also claimed in numerous verses as shown above that the Earth is flat, has Edges, has Four Corners, has Pillars, and has Foundations.  As I said above, no unbiased person would deny the obvious and embarrassing quotes above.  Only the desperate biased Jews and Christians would."

You act like believing in the bible is atrocious, and idiotic. But it's certainly predicted things in the past, and things for the future that are coming true currently. So many things about the world that are unexplained by science, make perfect sense to me with my belief in the bible. I'm constantly running into articles, weird things, and saying, "ohhhh.... that's why." I've been through the asking if God was real thing already. The answer I found was "yes". So I won't find it to be an insult, lol.

This would be true if the earth had no atmosphere. In reality due to atmospheric refraction, more of the ship would be visable to the observer in the lighthouse. How much light would be refracted would depend on air temperature, pressure and humidity.

So you see, light refraction allows us to see further round the earth than the maths says we can, NOT because the earth is flat.

That's so funny. Yeah I've heard of it before. Just goes along with all the assumptions people believe thanks to scientists. To believe in the sphere Earth you really have to believe a lot of assumptions based on scientists' studies.

And this is a "mirage" (Edit: this was sarcasm that was missed apparently)

Mirage of Chicago skyline seen from Michigan shoreline (http://www.abc57.com/story/28925566/mirage-of-chicago-skyline-seen-from-michigan-shoreline)

https://i.imgur.com/RpHSEJk.png

Yes, correct this is a type of mirage. Because light waves are bent around the earth due refraction.
If the Earth was flat, light rays that bend down would soon hit the ground and only nearby objects would be affected making these types of mirages impossible.

I see you are finally coming round to understanding the Earth is round.  :)

Not so much. The most reasonable explanation looking at the Chicago skyline from the Michigan Shoreline would be to believe you're actually seeing Chicago because the Earth is flat. Remember Occam's Razor? "among competing hypotheses that predict equally well, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected."

A person who believes in the flat Earth and sees a city skyline from 60 miles away, doesn't have to explain anything.

A person who believes in the globe Earth and sees a city skyline from 60 miles away, they have to explain....

"The clear skies, and cool weather ( aided even more by the cool lake water) creates an inversion. A layer of air near the surface that's cooler than air higher in the atmosphere. This creates a bending or ducting effect where the light ( image) instead of going in a normal straight line into space, curves back towards the surface of the earth.

This same phenomena can also be seen on the radar in the form of "ground clutter" the inversion is taking the radar beam (light) and bending back towards the surface of the earth, creating a "ring" effect. "

Nice to see you've cut down on the flying crap and insults.  ;D

However, this is what a mirage looks like:

https://i.imgur.com/yJ8h96C.jpg

The flat Earh person has to explain MUCH more than the global Earth person because they are assuming every scientific experiment that has every taken place and been proved is wrong, because of the domino effect.

You see that's the very problem flat people have, and why their position is impossible to stand by.
They cannot explain flat earth without sweeping other scientfic proofs out the window, which in turn sweeps other scientfic proofs out the window, which in turn sweeps ............................., in the end they are questioning how we think atoms work. Hundreds of thousands of experiments over thousands of years rejected and thrown in the bin. Good luck with that.

Yes that's a mirage, but there are different types of mirages such as inferior mirages and superior mirages.
Please educate yourself on the subject before posting again. Thanks.  :D

I get what you're saying. Yes, there does have to be a conspiracy a foot if you believe in the flat Earth model.



Ah... but scientists don't know how things like atoms work, do you?

"The big bang should have created equal amounts of matter and antimatter in the early universe. But today, everything we see from the smallest life forms on Earth to the largest stellar objects is made almost entirely of matter. Comparatively, there is not much antimatter to be found. Something must have happened to tip the balance. One of the greatest challenges in physics is to figure out what happened to the antimatter, or why we see an asymmetry between matter and antimatter."

The matter-antimatter asymmetry problem (http://home.web.cern.ch/topics/antimatter/matter-antimatter-asymmetry-problem) - From CERN the people who brought you the pentaquark.

You missing the point. In order for the flat earth myth to stand, the flat earth people would have to explain EVERYTHING in the universe in a completely different way to support their myth and then perform experiments to prove them.
You and I know this is never going to happen. Flat earth is, and will stay, a prehistoric myth.

IDK, it looks pretty flat to me.  Besides all the mountains and bumps and things.

But seriously, how can anyone take this vote seriously :P  Its hard to believe there is anyone out there that thinks the earth is flat, but then again you look at what the scientologists believe...

Only time will tell. I notice there still isn't an answer as to why the UN's logo has the flat Earth map on it, or why the National Weather Service shows it's information on a flat Earth map...

If they happened to choose a round earth as their logos would you then be using this as evidence the earth is round? I think not.

Lol. That's not an explanation. Most places use globe Earth maps, the UN is weird!

The fact remains if the logo was a sphere earth the flat people would of ignored it as evidence, yet because it's flat it must be evidence! ::)
Well if the UN logo was a sphere, some countries would be at the back and missed out. As the UN is a global thing, it would be fair to assume they didn't want countries left out. Nothing weird about that.
Your reading into it far too much. Nothing to see here.

Anyway I've wasted too much time on this thread already. Over and out.

There is certainly no shortage of stupid people in this world.

To paraphrase George Carlin: think of your average person; by definition, half the people are stupider than that.

Superior mirage:

https://i.imgur.com/yJ8h96C.jpg https://i.imgur.com/8aJFwJF.gif


Inferior mirage:

https://i.imgur.com/XEago8x.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/9b1jUhS.gif




Ok, so now that I've educated myself on the differences between superior and inferior mirages can you explain what type of mirage the following image is? Could it be that it is in fact not a mirage and the reason the city is visible at such a distance is because the Earth is flat?

https://i.imgur.com/2llAH1l.jpg

If you have money you can pay the russians to let you go to International Space Station and see the roundness of the earth on your own eyes.

"International Space Station Hoax : Air Bubbles Rise- Space Walks Simulated in A Massive Water Pool"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38ynHKGzplQ

Don't forget the Snorkels in Space articles, lol....

Snorkels in Space: NASA Outfitting Spacesuits with Diver-like Device for Upcoming Spacewalks (http://www.space.com/24027-nasa-spacesuit-snorkels-spacewalk.html)


"HOUSTON — Astronauts preparing to spacewalk outside the International Space Station are outfitting their spacesuits with an unusual device: a makeshift snorkel."

Uh, first spacewalk was actually done by Russians  ::)

Space race had to be one giant jewish lie, otherwise flat Earth theory would fall apart. Now, since first space rockets emerged from ballistic missiles those have to be made up too as they reach stratosphere before re-entering.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/ivxjsupltj4vmsqtfnwu.jpg

"IMAGE CONTROL - FLAT EARTH MOVEMENT"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DOKWF0cm9c

A video that touches on how psy-op shills are working to associate flat earth researchers with antisemitism, terrorism, nazis, 9/11, the jews did it! etc.

NAZI-JEW-TERRORIST-FLAT-EARTH FUSION FTW!

Why are you picking on the Jews there?

It would clearly be Hitler-types/NWO people doing it, lol.


'Paperclip': How the USA made a deal for Nazi scientists (http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/books/2014/02/19/operation-paperclip-the-secret-intelligence-program-that-brought-nazi-scientists-to-america/5561665/)

"With Operation Paperclip, Jacobsen shows how governmental secrecy and its blinkered morality veiled, for so long, the enormity of Nazi crimes perpetrated by the hundreds of technologists who were put on the U.S. payroll.

But does time dull our capacity for outrage over Jacobsen's accounting? We've long known, after all, that a Nazi player such as Werner von Braun — so central to the sky-screaming V1 and V2 rockets, those Nazi "wonder weapons," or Wunderwaffe, that Hitler launched against Great Britain and northern Europe — was an indispensable factor in America's space program. Indeed, he was the rock star of NASA's early days, celebrated by Walt Disney, and much honored."

https://i.imgur.com/n9u5vRt.jpg

people of usa are so declining and uneducated nowadays that they don't even know basic science anymore

Annnnd.. we're back to throwing shit again.

LOL :D

If people walk around wearing a T-shirt that says "throw shit at me" do they have a right to complain when shit gets thrown at them?

Edit: Please restrain your answer to a simple yes or no if possible. Thanks.

Flat Earthers and other conspiracy theorists like climate deniers
are just people with low understanding of our world.
They justify their ignorance by "corrypt world elites"
wich make us believe in untrue facts

Actually flat-earthers have asked for proof (other than images from NASA/Elite) that the world is a sphere, and encourage people to try these experiments themselves.

Whereas those who believe in a sphere earth, just say, the scientists and NASA people told me so.

And only you can make you believe in untrue "facts." ;)

It's not really that flat-earthers don't believe in science. What it is, is that flat-earthers have figured out that most of expressed science isn't really science, but rather it is science-fiction. Therefore, they are testing the theories of science themselves, to see which are true and which are not.

:)

My discovery that the Earth was flat started right here on BCT. I was in a creative mood and penned a post entitled "Interstellar Radar" in the off-topic section after reading up on the "WOW signal". I grabbed a schematic of the Star Wars Death Star and shopped it from Death Star to Interstellar Radar as I figured that's what the real deal would end up looking like. However I wasn't satisfied, it wasn't enough I needed something more, something bigger. Then it hit me, two Death Stars each one an eyeball socketed in a giant skull constructed on the dark side of the Moon forming a giant stereoscopic radar shielded from RF coming from Earth.

Then something else hit me, I couldn't say for sure what the dark side of Moon really looked like. There's enough evidence that NASA faked the Moon landings to cast doubt on what's really there. I then penned another post in the off-topic section entitled "The Dark Side of the Moon" describing my vision of the giant skull radar. It was then I realized that if NASA faked the Moon landing they could be faking more stuff regarding space and our solar system. I turned to Mars and the images they were claiming were from the rovers. I found lots of anomalies that seemed to indicate they were also faked images but the kicker was the lemming. They were taking images from their Devon Island test site in Canada, running them through an image processor and claiming they were from Mars. I penned another post in the off-topic section entitled "NASA Sucks" as a result of my findings.

Dumfounded that NASA was faking the Moon and Mars I wondered if anything they presented regarding space was true. I looked at the images of Earth from space and sure enough they were fake. The only conclusion I could come to was that they were hiding what our planet really looks like. A few Google searches and I found the guy on theNASAchannel claiming NASA paid him to do photo-realistic artistic renderings of planets and objects in space including the Earth. It became clear at this point that what NASA was hiding was the fact the Earth was flat. I did some more research and to my surprise all the evidence and facts actually pointed to the Earth being flat.

So there you have it, this is how I came to know the Earth is flat.

Ow.  The stupidity hurts.  Make it stop.

The Earth, from NASA... Why is the land so brown in one and so green in another?

https://i.imgur.com/K9JNOqR.jpg

Do these look like letters?

https://i.imgur.com/zgEk6hJ.jpg

(It's in the image above, but it was flipped horizontally.)

http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view.php?id=55418
https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/187_1003705_americas_dxm.png

"Most cosmologists will not admit it publicly, but perhaps over a beer they would tell you what is happening. Observations over the last 50 years, culminating with the Planck satellite results (March 2013) set modern science on a counter revolution leading closer to ideas formed 500 years ago. Today’s cosmology is based on two broad principles: The Copernican Principle (we are not in a special place in the universe) and the Cosmological Principle (The Copernican Principle, plus isotropy- the view from anywhere in the universe looks about the same). Starting with early studies of the cosmic microwave background (CMB), and in recent years culminating with results from the COBE then the WMAP satellites, scientists were faced with a signal at the largest scales of the universe- a signal that pointed right back at us, indicating that we are in a special place in the universe."

"There are cosmologists and scientists who recognize the signal for what it is, and recent articles have started talking about the need for some “new physics” to explain the results. Even on the Planck mission website Professor Efstathiou states:

"'Our ultimate goal would be to construct a new model that predicts the anomalies and links them together. But these are early days; so far, we don’t know whether this is possible and what type of new physics might be needed. And that’s exciting'"

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NOTABLE HELIOCENTRIST EXPERIMENTS THAT *FAILED* TO DETECT ANY MOVEMENT OF THE EARTH AROUND THE SUN (http://www.biblicalscholarship.net/failed.htm)

"There was a group of early "scientists" that decided that their heliocentric pronouncements would be proved and accepted. They conducted various experiments to prove that the earth moves around the sun. Unsurprisingly, these experiments FAILED--and they knew it--but they covered this information up. In their corrupt minds, heliocentrism had to disprove the Bible, no matter what the cost--so instead of being scientific and accepting that the earth does not move, they decided to hold the truth in unrighteousness. They suppressed the truth like any liar would. False science could not and can not prove the motion of the earth because it does not move. It is not a planet ("wanderer"). Those early false scientists are the authors of the textbooks that today's "scientists" and authors consult. The students who have learned from them are worse off than they are (Matthew 23:15) because these students actually believe the earth moves whereas the original false scientists knew that they were wrong."

Just going to point out, that the experiments that were supposed to prove the Earth went around the sun failed, and they had to come up with ideas as to why the experiments failed to prove the Earth went around the sun.

It's not very scientific to want a conclusion, and just run tests until your experiment makes your conclusion work, especially to the point of continuing to come up with reasons why your experiments failed.

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NASA's Deception - The Earth Does Not Rotate Around The Sun (https://youtu.be/HODfQiLiP9o)

But, but, but...  Think of the wonderful sci-fi stories and movies we would have missed out on if the cosmologists had simply been truthful!

 ;)

Yes... we would have missed out on those movies. But if you look at the world as a flat Earth, and there's a dome over us, how likely is it this was created out of nothing? I ask again, don't you think it would lead people to believe in God if this was true? We may have had world peace, or at least a lot less sinning.

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Re: No REAL images of earth from space  (http://welcome-to-concave-earth-forum.70389.x6.nabble.com/No-REAL-images-of-earth-from-space-td181i30.html#a2314)(Forum Discussion)


Why, when our cameras are amazing these days, have they not taken a picture of the Earth in decades before snapping this recent one?

Earth takes an 'epic selfie' (http://www.stuff.co.nz/science/70434385/earth-takes-an-epic-selfie)

"Earth got is first full selfie in decades this month when a satellite sent back this gorgeous shot of our blue planet.

The shot shows the entire sunlit side of Earth from 1.6 million kilometres away, according to Nasa.

It's the first full Earth shot since the astronauts aboard the Apollo 17 snapped a similar one in 1972."

I've been trying to tell you for a long time about the stuff at http://edge.org/conversation/the-energy-of-empty-space-that-isn-39t-zero.

Our universe is simply one of an untold number (maybe infinite number) of universes separated by a phase shift (dimensional shift) that makes them all fit inside the exact same space. The universes act on each other to produce other universes. An electron in our universe is simply the action of at least two other universes  crossing energies of some sort, that produce an instantaneous electron. The electron, itself, winks in and out in each of its infinite positions in a single revolution of its atom center. Nothing is stationary or stable for even a moment. Time itself is not stable.

Here's the trick. All the instability in the mega-universe produces an illusion of stability in each universe.

What I would like to know is, does each universe hold a single soul? Do our souls each have their own universe? When a man and a woman get together and produce offspring, is a new soul produced, or is a universe-soul already in existence since the Creation simply attached to a set of operating physical energies and materials that are a new human being?

In the Old Testament in the Bible, God says through Isaiah, in chapter 55, at verses 8 and 9:
:)

Maybe that's the real reason for all the chemtrail spraying. People are getting more and better lenses for their cameras. Also, more and more people are designing radio methods for measuring the "sky." If the earth were flat, or more importantly, if we were on the inside of a sphere, we just might see the truth with our better lenses and radios. The chemtrails place particles into the air that act to produce a haze that our better lenses and radios can't penetrate. Otherwise we might find out the truth.

:)

If the earth is flat how would it looks like?

Depends on if you are in a valley or on a mountain.   :)

I'm keen on the idea that it's an almost infinite frozen plane dotted with many pools warmed by other Suns.

Something like this for infinity in every direction?

https://i.imgur.com/QnO3Isy.jpg

Since Antarctica is locked down tighter than Area 51 and colder than hell I doubt we'll find out but, yeah I'm thinking something along those lines. I doubt they would be in nice even cells like that but the good book likes to claim the Earth was created so who knows for sure.

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Somebody might be able to sneak a mini stealth blimp across equipped with a spread spectrum transceiver. Easier said than done however, I suppose a wealthy individual in isolation somewhere might pull it off.

One person said if you could get 2 boats on the shore of Antarctica, in the ocean, but within view of the shore, and have them go opposite directions, they could measure how long it took to find each other. If Antarctica is as small as they say it should be far shorter. But they also mentioned, if someone did this, one of the boats might get hit by a missile first, lol.

I just don't get why NASA keeps putting out "real photos" of the Earth with things like lettering in the clouds. No cloud I've ever seen has been able to look like an E or an X....

You don't have to tell us the bolded, red part, above. We all know that!

 :D

Thought for the day: Why can't you use your cell phone on plane rides? Is it because it would be bouncing off of cell towers you have no right being near?

FAA allowing most electronic device use throughout flights (http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/31/travel/faa-portable-electronic-devices/)

"The FAA had long claimed that using electronic devices during takeoff and landing posed a safety issue and that radio signals from the devices could interfere with an aircraft's communications, navigation and other systems.

But a panel the FAA established last year to study the issue concluded that most commercial airplanes can tolerate radio interference signals."


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"About 69% of passengers traveling with an e-device reported using their devices on a flight, and almost one-third of passengers admitted to accidentally leaving one on in flight, according to a 2013 CEA/Airline Passenger Experience Association study."

for the flat earth conspiracy to be true, like 50% of humanity and anyone who has ever rode an airplane has to be in on it  ;D

Well I disagree with those riding in an airplane, as I've flown multiple times. For one thing, looking out the airplane, I got the impression it was flat. I never thought about it, and since I have, I haven't flown. I think they use curved glass, which makes the ground look curved too, if someone says it looks curved on an airplane.

Looks pretty flat here: http://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-4764794-stock-footage-airplane-window-view-of-clouds-from-passenger-seat-at-sunset.html

Never thought about curved glass in commercial plane windows.

Did you ever notice that if your eyesight is bad, the glasses they give you never show you the truth about flat, concave or convex in the things you look at. Do you think that "they" have determined that people who have poor eyesight are more intelligent, and therefore must be given glasses that throw off natural curvature or lack of it, because if they don't, these people would have figured out about the earth's flatness?

What about hot air balloon riders? How high would you have to go to notice any curvature? Seems to me that any curvature is not concave. But it might not be apparent at the lower limits that most balloons fly.

:)

I don't think there's any relation between smarts and glasses, even though I wear glasses. ;)

Yeah, I don't know how high a balloon would have to fly to supposedly see this "curve" people talk about, but I really don't remember there being a curve (that couldn't be explained by the window) while being in an airplane, and I love to look out while on the ground and while flying.

Of course, though I didn't say it right out, there are no windows in hot air balloons.

I wonder how high stunt pilots fly... the ones who stand on the wings of the plane. Do goggles cause an appearance of curvature that is not there?

:)

I feel like I am absorbing stupid via osmosis just reading this thread.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4a/ba/31/4aba312ce4ce26da62a943017fc8c17b.jpg

It is kinda fun playing along with people who believe like this. They are harmless, so why not feed their paranoia?    :D

Besides, if you are paranoid about the NSA considering your speaking or writing as that of a terrorist, when you play with the paranoia in this thread, they will realize that you are harmless, as well.     ;)

:)

Thought for the day:

Why is it colder in the moonlight? (https://youtu.be/ADF7Pge-AWE)

The moon is said to reflect the sun's rays, which is why it's light. But if that was so it shouldn't be giving off a light of it's own that cools things down....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unMxHSpvzoE

 :D

That is the most retarded thing I have seen in a while. "I got my lab coat on, so I'm feelin like a scientist". Proving the "cooling light of the moon".
Jesus Christ, where didn't he go to school? I really feel sorry for these flat Earthers. Anyone who can't understand how utterly ridiculous this is has fallen so far behind that I fear they will never achieve a third grade education. It's going to be a tough life.

Pseudoscience tin-foil hat question and answer period:

Q: Why does moonlight cool an object?

A: When an object absorbs and re-emits moonlight the high temporal coherence of the light causes the momentum of the objects particles to change. This compresses the velocity distribution of the particles thereby cooling them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4nPyI-zA74

Yeah, this thread is really something... I've given up getting frustrated and am now thoroughly enjoying myself  :-\ :D

The obscure changes in topic are nuts, for instance we went from this:


to some neat observations about cloud anomalies:


To an ambiguous question about airline electronic communication protocol (However you interpret it, the answer's no):


to some interesting interpretations of how lenses work:


to this:


Gold.

Yes of course, the high temporal coherence of the light causes the momentum of the objects particles change.

http://media.giphy.com/media/8WIJHInfWP6/giphy.gif

The world around us is getting complex and complex.
As an example: do you have the slightest idea of how a cellphone works? It is way more complex than an FM radio wich is more complex than an AM radio that perhaps you can imagine.

People cannot understand any more what they see and they make weird assumptions  just like primitives thinking that a lightning is the rage of some invisible spirit.

Seems I've made a grammatical typo in my Q&A session, corrected.  ;D

I've rejected the idea of a firmament 'till now but it seems the only way I can explain the coherent light from the Moon is the existence of such a barrier. The Moon does appear to be a projection.

Like the line that goes up and re-renders it in this video? https://youtu.be/o1WHrRbXQZI?t=13m55s

;)

They don't know how to get past it do they? LOL

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You know I pulled that Q&A completely out of my ass but, I referenced actual physics articles to do so, peer reviewed journal stuff backed by experiments... I can't believe I'm actually believing it now...

WTF man, this bible nonsense is actually true, there must be a short in my tinfoil hat or something!

I know.

Flat Earth isn't too hard to buy, all the evidence points towards it. Not too much changes going from global hoax to flat reality except the possibility of a limitless plane full of other worlds to explore. I'm absolutely confused now that I know the Moon is a projection on a fucking dome and we're trapped inside, this is as bad as the globe Earth deal.

Q: Is the dome material or some kind of field?

A: ?

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This is what CERN is for isn't it? The anti-matter is for opening a portal right?

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This God fellow, is he going to get pissed off if we drill a hole in his tank and start wandering around outside?

Lol. Yes, CERN is trying to make a portal (people have been known to call it a StarGate if you ever saw the movie or series you'll know what that's all about).

God won't be pissed, he predicted it. It's all planned.

You know that when scientists were smart enough to build and send things up the first thing they did was nuke it?

Operation Fishbowl (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Fishbowl) (notice the term fishbowl)

"Operation Fishbowl was a series of high altitude nuclear tests in 1962 that were carried out by the United States as a part of the larger Operation Dominic nuclear test program."

Edit: This is an interesting compilation video (http://What if I believe YOU'RE deceived and FLAT EARTH is real).... at the end it theorizes they're trying to heat up Antarctica too. Which if true, would be another attempt to get out of the dome.

Are we still talking about flat earth or the wall in game of thrones?

http://cdn.gamerant.com/wp-content/uploads/game-of-thrones-episode-3-beyond-the-wall-700x350.jpg


BTW, can some one tell me how NASA made the earth appear curved to me when I went up in a hot air balloon a few years back? Your excuse for airplanes is curved viewing ports, what is your explanation for hot air balloons, tall buildings, and mountaintops?

OK, so if any of this tinfoil hat stuff about the firmament is true, you guys realize that there's most likely supercritical water on the other side right? You need anti-matter to punch a hole in it, this means it's holding back a stupid amount of pressure. If you want to check out the other side I highly recommend getting that teleporter working IMO.

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https://i.imgur.com/nSQuiFX.jpg

Also, you're predisposed to believe there's a curvature.

That is a nice optical illusion you have there. Too bad it relies on lines emanating from the center to achieve the illusion of curvature. Last time I checked the sky there are not dozens of straight lines emanating from the horizon to a central vanishing point.

Really! Then why do polarized sunglasses work so well?

:)

Doppelgangers of the dead -  "NASA Space Shuttle orbiter Challenger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Challenger_disaster) (OV-099) (mission STS-51-L) broke apart 73 seconds into its flight, leading to the deaths of its seven crew members, which included five NASA astronauts and two Payload Specialists. "

https://i.imgur.com/VV3GuBW.jpg (https://youtu.be/OhlIR7a7iAI)

To all Flat Earthers please post the picture of your world here. I mean Earth, Moon, Solar System and the universe that was not edited by NSA. I'm curious how would it look based on your imaginations.  :)

If the Earth doesn't rotate around the sun (as I've shown scientists are starting to doubt (https://medium.com/we-are-in-a-special-place/planck-satellite-confirms-wmap-findings-universe-is-not-copernican-26f88f17a732)), why do you think there is a solar system?

The Earth is part of a system of bodies, in which there is a Sol. There is a Solar system. Or maybe you can arrogantly call it an Earthen system.

You may be assuming too much, how do you know the Sun is a "body"?

It exists.

So do rainbows.

No need to condescend, I was just asking a question. If you start to consider the flat Earth theory, then you have to throw a lot of old scientific notions out the window, and rebuild an understanding of the world system.

This is an example someone made (and I can't say it's gonna work, just something for you to look at):

I am not sure what sense this makes in your harebrained mind, but polarized glasses work by blocking one axis of photons. Photos travel in many different directions, but polarized lenses block one axis, and allow the other to flow thru it. This is why if you take two polarized lenses and stack them and turn one of them, it becomes completely opaque, as both of the axis of light are blocked. Care to explain how you think this supports your argument?


Uh, rainbows are nothing but a temporary phenomena of light refracted in water particles. The sun has huge mass and is persistent. That is why the sun is a body, and a rainbow isn't.

How do you know the information you're being given isn't a lie? The only way you know the Sun is a huge mass is because you've been told its so. If you look up, all you can say for sure is that it's a big bright spot in the sky.

NASA Contradiction LIE -Having it THEIR way CAUGHT them!  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVWXdTPsLGY)

This video talks about how the light from the sun only comes at the Earth straight on, which is why there are times when the North Pole is in complete darkness for weeks at a time, etc. Then it talks about how, in order to explain blood red moons, NASA also says that the sun light comes from other angles.

1) Straight on light = days with no light in poles.

2) Multiple angels from sun = Blood red moon

You can't have it both ways, they contradict each other. Which one is right?

https://i.imgur.com/TZ7rsc4.png (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVWXdTPsLGY)

Isn't low / high tide cycles convulsive evidence we don't have a flat earth but a round one? I've personally never understood who benefits by lying about the shape of our earth.

Video: Dispelling Gravity - Ether, Tides and Lunar Eclipses (https://youtu.be/Kd4VHcFY1Vg)

Video: Flat earth with a map of winds seas tides and more (moon,sun,stars are lights) (https://youtu.be/jd3K4Czyoqc)
link for the map: http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/azimuthal_equidistant

The theory of relativity has been debunked (http://www.conservapedia.com/Counterexamples_to_Relativity), there is an Luminiferous aether (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminiferous_aether). The theory of relativity is based on the fact that aether does not exist.

Video: NASA's Deception - The Earth Does Not Revolve Around The Sun (https://youtu.be/HODfQiLiP9o?t=27m45s)

Flat Earth: Confessions of An Airline Pilot (https://youtu.be/VaUBrui9L1I)

"Published on Aug 6, 2015

The Great Balloon Project (https://youtu.be/7zYfX76ssTQ) received a very generous contribution from a former military and civilian pilot. The integrity, maturity and clarity of his thoughts were sent to me in the form of an email letter which I read in this video. the only changes made to the letter were two minor ones. I left out the location where he now lives and I also removed a few of the subjects he has researched on-line into a short list. this is what a REAL Pilot says about flying and the FLAT EARTH which he NEVER believed in."

The earth is round. Some proof of this is, if you watch a boat sail away from the dock out in to the ocean, it will seem that the boat is sinking into the ocean. It isn't really but its doing this because the earth is round

LOL

Serial attention whores.

20 Miles High Video. A typical commercial jet (most standard flights) cruises at around 28-35,000ft ( up to 6.6 miles of altitude (http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae610.cfm)).

https://i.imgur.com/mKP9vNR.png (https://youtu.be/up0tfH0dPL4?t=1m54s)

20 miles high: Essex students, teachers launch epic balloon flight (http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/videos/news/2015/04/20/26094757/)

https://i.imgur.com/WdArb5L.png (http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/videos/news/2015/04/20/26094757/)

question to flat-earthers. what will happen if you took a plane/ship and fly/sail past the edge of Earth?

I believe the thought is that the weather keeps you in. If you wouldn't get in trouble from the governments and get shot down first, lol. The temperatures are the worst in Antarctica, and the weather would probably crash the plane with winds. Just a thought. ;)

Temperatures on a flat-earth map:

https://i.imgur.com/r2OAWOq.png (http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/overlay=temp/azimuthal_equidistant)

hmm. that's very enlightening. in fact, I think I'm starting to believe that.. I'll spread the word of wisdom around.


NOT

Can the flat earthers explain how it is we live in differing time zones :o If the earth was flat we would all live in the same time zone ::)

Night and Day in the Flat Earth model  (https://youtu.be/hiOhsKAR6OY)

haha nice try, we would still be able to see the sun all day and night, it would just be closer or further, appearing larger during the "day" and smaller at "night".

Remember the sun (in the flat earth theory) is no where near as big as it is in the globe earth theory.

so how does the sun set? it would just appear smaller, which it does not.

I'm sure it's supposed to be like when people think a boat goes down when it gets farther away, even though it doesn't (as shown when you zoom in on the boat with a camera).

Do the trigonometry, for the earth to be flat and the sun to set it would have to be so close to the earth that if you flew a plane during the day you would fly so close to it that you would become icarus.

I'm sure that would depend on the size of the sun. From the videos I've seen, the sun (in the flat-earth theory) is much smaller than what you think it is. Also even though it's called flat-earth, obviously it's not flat, it's just not a globe, there are mountains etc. :P

I'm not trying to prove it to you. But I do know some things in the globe earth theory don't work. So who knows...

Naah, If you want to look at making flat representations of the earth you must study the master, Buckminster Fuller -

See this section on maps, Unfortunately the video is poor but sound is good.

Everything I Know - session 01 (entire) - January 20, 1975
https://youtu.be/o6yaSLipeWg?t=2h9m7s


This is a brilliant series recommend watching the whole lot. One of the most incredible minds to have visited our plant :-)

You'll see the truth when the planet NEMbiru comes back.

Your post make little sense, the so-called mystery planet is called "Nibiru" and if the Flat Earth model is correct it would be nothing more than a wandering light in the sky. Keep in mind that space, planets starts etc as portrayed by NASA and the establishment are a total fabrication in the FE model.

because they have flat brains :D :D :D :D

Flat-earthers are simply one group of people who are beginning to see through the screwy politics that the behind-the-scenes leaders of the earth are trying to get us all to believe.

If the truth were known, the earth might NOT be flat, but the picture that standard science gives us wouldn't be anywhere near the truth either.

:)

Since this was bumped again, lol....

25 Flat Geo Earth claims that 'Rocked' my world view (https://youtu.be/4WPBDte2AfY?list=PLBTNZLsFI1MHfJSWYG31zYRIBfTegWTvZ) by 5 part video series by TigerDan925

200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball  (http://www.mediafire.com/view/l679prcg097ny8u/200_Proofs_Earth_is_Not_a_Spinning_Ball!.pdf) - PDF from The Atlantean Conspiracy (http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html)

I don’t believe in this hypothesis but it’s still an interesting read, this reminds me of the hollow earth hypothesis.

Coriolis PROOVES Flat Earth!  (https://youtu.be/Wg2deAEhoF4) - Explains how the tides work and more.

"Well, after thinking it over for a long time, the missing piece of the puzzle was provided by a little video on how water has electromagnetic properties. Science can tell you that the earth spin causes Coriolis effect but it CAN'T tell you how that spin causes weather systems to spin in opposite directions simply because the equator was crossed. This theory DOES explain just that. In fact, this is so revolutionary that flat earth is the ONLY reasonable explanation for flat earth. This also better explains the tides. Science has a lame reason for how that works. It all makes so much on a flat, non-moving earth. It is amazing what can be done when people combine brain power for the common good."

Part of string theory suggests that nobody is any distance from anyone else. Likewise, nothing is any distance from anything else. The thing we call distance is really energy relationships between the objects.

When we move away from something, what we are actually doing is increasing the energy relationship  between ourselves and the other object. When we move toward the other object, we are shrinking the energy relationship. The interesting thing is that the energy relationships are all curved. Thus, we get a flat everything that appears curved because of string energy relationships, even though all things are flat.

:)

I don't think it's the flat Earth aspect people can't come to grips with, there's a mountain of proof for that.

The issue people can't deal with is the conspiracy, they can't come to terms with the reality that everybody in a positions of power and authority are liars, thieves, rapists, murderers, homosexuals, drug addicts, etc or are under the direct control or supervision of these people. That NASA and the entire scientific establishment is a fraud. They can't wrap their mind around the super-technology. They're stuck in their brainwashed state of mind, the social and financial pressure is too great to believe anything other than the status quo.

I can actually understand that. People really get brainwashed into the globe earth thing when households usually have a globe around somewhere, and it's always shown on tv. It's pretty constant. Hard to believe just 100 or so years ago there was a flat earth map being used.

Even harder for some to believe is that the National Weather Service is shown currently on a flat earth map here (http://earth.nullschool.net/#2015/07/17/0000Z/wind/surface/level/azimuthal_equidistant).

I just visited Iceland, where the day is currently longer - the sun set about 23.00 and rose about 03.00. During the solstice, Iceland experiences almost 24hrs of daylight.

My question is this: How does the flat earth theory explain this change in daylight hours when an observer travels north or south of the equator? Or in other words, why does Antarctica and the Arctic both experience long periods of sunlight and darkness?

The explanation of a "spotlight" sun does not make sense, if we assume that the Arctic is at the centre of the disc, and the Antarctic is a boundary of the disc.

While I don't necessarily agree that the earth is flat, modern science is very technical in how it works. This science has not been used to explain how a flat earth would work in every way. If the minds of modern science were applied to finding out how a flat earth works, like they have been applied to a round earth, flat earth science might have advanced way more rapidly.

Perhaps the explanations are coming in the near future.

:)

Perhaps, but the current accepted model of a globe Earth explains this already. This is the main problem with the Flat Earth theory, it seems to be a case of classic conspiracy theory where someone thinks up a hypothesis (a flat earth) and then tries to "prove" all the discrepancies with increasingly complex explanations, such as a "spotlight" sun, with no empirical evidence of said explanations.

This is not how the scientific method works, you don't just think up an idea and then think up loads of new ways in which the idea could work. You need to rigorously try and "disprove" your hypothesis, and the harder this is to do, the more weight your hypothesis has.

I just watched part of the first video at:, but it was so stupid that I couldn't even finish it.

However, one of the things that the video made me think of is that there might be another design to the earth than the ones listed in the video. The earth might be like a flat earth. But rather than a flat circle, with the water being held in by ice around the edges, perhaps the earth is "humped" in the center. The center of the disc-shaped earth might be humped in the center.

Oh come on! Play with me. This is an exciting sci-fi topic that approaches reality. And if it is modern science that is the sci-fi, how exciting! We might have been living in science fiction all our lives.

:)

Some of the points in this PDF are so laughable that I couldn't even keep reading. The laughable ones were located in the 20s. Others in the area that I was looking would need to be tested. I couldn't take the stupidity, so I quit before reaching #50.

:)

Yeah that video is really stupid, the guy narrating reminds me of Alan Partridge.

I prefer sci-fi that has a plausible basis in actual science.

First, because scientists are most likely lying about how this stuff all works, it's not like you can just pick up a book and read about how it really works. I think I've even written about this before....

The way scientists talk about how the sun is so big (it's not as big as they say), but if it was, then the the scientists are lying about something. Here's that post:


So science can't explain what you experienced, yet.

I think the explanation that is generally talked about is that the sun rotates around the earth, and during the summer, the sun is closer to the north (in the center of the flat earth map), and farther away from the south (the outer ridge of the flat earth map), which is why days are shorter in the winter (no matter where you are) and days are longer in the summer (no matter where you are). So the sun is seen for longer a time next to Iceland. As seen here: How the 4 seasons work on the Flat Earth model (https://youtu.be/R52_PdZlSq8?t=4m51s).

As I've mentioned they can't prove why there are blood moons or they can't prove why there are places that have light all day. It's either/or.

They also haven't proved why the storm fronts are counter clockwise/clockwise based on what hemisphere it is. Though there's a really great reason why (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg2deAEhoF4&feature=youtu.be) according to flat earth.

Science says the moon reflects the sun's rays, and that's why it gives light, why does the moon give off a colder light?

MMH you're talking nonsense. Of course you can have lunar eclipses (blood moons in bible speak) and have perpetual sunlight at the poles, they are two totally separate things (the shadow of the Earth on the Moon, and the tilt of the Earth causing the extended day/night at the poles).

The reason the moon sometimes appears red is because of light scattered by the atmosphere, and by different levels of shadow falling across it. Again, this has nothing to do with my point about daylight hours, you're seriously misunderstanding how this works if you think this is a case of "either/or".

As for your comment about colder light from the moon, you actually believe that moonlight is cold? You think this is why night is colder than day?

The reason night is colder than day is because the sun isn't shining on us. :P

Yabut, what's the reason for moonlit nights being colder than when there is no moon?

 :D

My theory (untested) on why light from the Moon is cold is that when an object absorbs and re-emits moonlight the high temporal coherence of the light causes the momentum of the objects particles to change. This compresses the velocity distribution of the particles thereby cooling them.

https://i.imgur.com/pRUcQJp.png

Can you guys pass me your joint? It must be epic weed your smoking.

Ok this is just far blown conspiracy, the earth is obviously a globe.

Learn about light speed, centrifugal forces,  atmospheric light defraction, and gravity.


You guys must have skipped alot of physics classes in high school to come up with this silly idea, but seriously, flat earth doesn't even make the slightest sense since even the organisms are adapted to the moving earth.

Just look at the flat fish that is living in the seafloor under tons of pressure, it is flat because the big pressure of the ocean is making it flat otherwise it cant exist.

If the earth were flat then every organism on it would be flat too, because the enormous weight of the amosphere would make us flat. (but given that its a globe and centrifugal forces make the amoshperes weight not be pushed on us, we are very tall organisms, not to mention the dinosaurs)

What about the tectonic plates? Volcanoes? Geology? And tidal waves?

Think about it?

Why do you think there is an enormous weight of the atmosphere? If you actually want to debate flat-earth, you need to open your mind and be able to throw out a lot of the old concepts, like gravity.

The Earth is officially pear shaped (https://mostodd.wordpress.com/2011/06/13/144-gone-pear-shaped/), not a sphere.

Wiki: Figure of the Earth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_the_Earth)

"The expression figure of the Earth has various meanings in geodesy according to the way it is used and the precision with which the Earth's size and shape is to be defined. While the sphere is a close approximation of the true figure of the Earth and satisfactory for many purposes, geodesists have developed a number of models to represent a closer approximation to the shape of the Earth."

Why do NASA images show a sphere?

Video: BUSTED: Eclipse PROVES Science & NASA Wrong  (https://youtu.be/NSLn93Rh9UU)

https://i.imgur.com/x0UsKWG.png

Crow777 talks about the terms "barely total" or "barely partial" eclipses from SkyandTelescope's page: The Lunar Eclipse Wasn’t Total After All?! (http://www.skyandtelescope.com/astronomy-news/observing-news/the-lunar-eclipse-wasnt-total-after-all-04062015/).

Video: There is No Lunar Eclipse Tetrad and Blood Moon is Ghoulish Nonsense  (https://youtu.be/VUJI4fKiFXg)
You can see the arc is wrong in this one too:

https://i.imgur.com/JKm6XuU.png (https://youtu.be/7puJv6YaG6E?t=13m9s)

These folks need to say it right out, that the earth doesn't have a diameter 3.7 times that of the moon, but that both diameters are the same. Oh, of course, they can't. Flat earth, you know. The pictures are ridiculous.

:)

The plane of the earth's orbit around the sun is slightly different than the plane of the moon's orbit around the earth. The moon's orbital plane around the earth is off by about 5.1 degrees from the earth's orbital plane around the sun. This is why you see a partial moon eclipse at times.

At other times, the position of the earth in it's orbit around the sun, causes a total lunar eclipse. This is because the moon's orbital plane remains stationary in its position with regard to at least the galactic plane, if not the universal whole.

While this is a little difficult to explain on paper in words, learning the geometry of the actual motions of the earth, moon, and sun shows that the standard understanding of bodies in space is correct.

In other words, flat earth theory in this instance is completely wrong.

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I wonder how the earth is a pear shape figure would fit into this: Figure of the Earth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Figure_of_the_Earth)

Gone Pear Shaped  (https://mostodd.wordpress.com/2011/06/13/144-gone-pear-shaped/)

"The earth is officially ‘pear-shaped’ – not a round sphere as is commonly believed. Now do not get the wrong idea about this, it is not shaped like some huge interstellar fruit, that, while interesting would be plain ridiculous. It is barely pear-shaped, but pear-shaped enough."

The links you supplied suggest that the small amount of pear shape might not be noticeable if you simply looked at the earth from a distance. The pear shape of earth might make a difference in the orbits of both, earth around the sun, and the moon around the earth. But the pear shape is small enough that for any time within a hundred thousand years, the difference in orbit would be negligible.

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Video: The Moon - Is NOT What We've Been Told!

https://i.imgur.com/9tzABee.png (https://youtu.be/xVuHP6E3z1s?t=44s)

Video: My theory of how a lunar eclipse works on the flat Earth, with Rahu

https://i.imgur.com/ZUsufyu.png (https://youtu.be/cXHCu39LQdw)

The book of Enoch talks about heavenly stations.

"Significance of Time Stations

An English translation by Laurence is useful for illustrating that early astronomers would have held knowledge of 'time stations'. To be more specific, there is indication from the Ethiopian Enoch that the ancients time tracked both a station of the Moon, and also a station for the Sun:

    [Chapter 71:] "The book of the revolutions of the luminaries of heaven, according to... their respective periods... and their respective months... according to every year of the world for ever... ." [Skipping to Chapter 73:] "... I beheld their stations... according to the fixed order of the months the Sun rises and sets... thirty days belonging to the Sun... [All the days belonging to each year can be correlated to a fixed number of days]... to the Sun and stars... thirty days belonging to them... The Moon brings on all the years exactly, that their stations may come neither too forwards nor too backwards a single day; but that the years may be changed with correct precision in [a fixed number of] days... The year then becomes truly complete according to the station of the Moon, and the station of the Sun... which rise and set in them for thirty days."

From the Enoch literature, it is apparent that the ancients did once time track a "station of the Sun"--probably in association with a cycle of 30 days. Portions of text from the astronomcial book also make it clear that a "station to the Moon" was time tracked inside of the year cycle."

Revolutions of the Luminaries of Heaven (http://www.creation-answers.com/portals.htm)

It's not all Flat-Earth, there's also a Concave Earth theory....the idea is the light bends so when you look you see straight ahead but it's really bending as seen below...in other words we're not on a globe, we're bending as if we're in a ball.

Globe, Flat or Concave? - Laser Experiment on Lake Zegrzynski & Binocular Test at Canary Islands  (https://youtu.be/hBYADIjWYbc)

https://i.imgur.com/Z17vixO.png

This experiment should be repeated on a salt flat, I suspect the concave curvature is due to surface tension on the water. I believe this experiment if done on land will show the Earth is flat. In any case the globe Earth model is completely out the window.

Oceans have much higher tides as lakes or rivers because salt water has a higher electro conductivity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg2deAEhoF4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg2deAEhoF4)

Video: Micro-satellite to inspect if Americans did land on Moon (https://youtu.be/5dAOcGtJH08)

"Russian engineers, tired of debating whether the US really landed on the moon, have decided to build a satellite to receive footage from there."

the best comments, IMHO:

"These guys will probably mysteriously die in strange circumstances like all the Holistic doctors that died recently."
"If they really landed on the moon like they did that many years ago, the interesting thing is why they don't go back to explore more... something fishy is going on about the moon landing subject, whether they landed or not all in all."
"America is probably going to shoot the rocket down soon as it takes off"

Video: How Rainbows bend & curve NEW THEORY  (https://youtu.be/ZIZ_nqJNSuo)

This video talks about how, if the sun is covered like the bible says, then it may account for sundogs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_dogs), halos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/22%C2%B0_halo) and how a rainbow appears.

Notice the halo in the third picture reflects the rainbow directly below it.

https://i.imgur.com/Ael7mGn.jpg

I do believe there are misconceptions about the earth's shape and how space works in general. but CMON the earth is totally not flat lol!

After what distance does water start to bend? Common sense says it will always seek lowest point and be flat.

From Google: Balloon-powered Internet for everyone  (https://www.google.com/loon/)

"What is Project Loon?

Many of us think of the Internet as a global community. But two-thirds of the world’s population does not yet have Internet access. Project Loon is a network of balloons traveling on the edge of space, designed to connect people in rural and remote areas, help fill coverage gaps, and bring people back online after disasters.

The technology

Project Loon balloons float in the stratosphere, twice as high as airplanes and the weather. In the stratosphere, there are many layers of wind, and each layer of wind varies in direction and speed. Loon balloons go where they’re needed by rising or descending into a layer of wind blowing in the desired direction of travel. By partnering with Telecommunications companies to share cellular spectrum we’ve enabled people to connect to the balloon network directly from their phones and other LTE-enabled devices. The signal is then passed across the balloon network and back down to the global Internet on Earth."

How Loon flies (http://www.google.com/loon/how/)

"Project Loon balloons travel approximately 20 km above the Earth’s surface in the stratosphere. Winds in the stratosphere are stratified, and each layer of wind varies in speed and direction. Project Loon uses software algorithms to determine where its balloons need to go, then moves each one into a layer of wind blowing in the right direction. By moving with the wind, the balloons can be arranged to form one large communications network. "

Video: Google Project Loon Proves Flat Earth (https://youtu.be/p22LSKPUxJk)

https://i.imgur.com/aWfqUH5.jpg

Thanks for the entertainment hahaha

Getting better  by the day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2ifQ7BNcTA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2ifQ7BNcTA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcHDIWpNz3E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcHDIWpNz3E)

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermosphere:
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I believe the video also said NASA says that the electricity is grounded by the air around them, but at the same time claim it's like a vacuum and that's why it's not going to be melted.

The time lapse shows the moon rotating in the sky overnight.

Video: The Moon Is a LIE - The Projection (https://youtu.be/i8R6ivpmf5o)

"First the moon temperature experimens, performed in many ways by many different witnesses showed that the moon is NOT what we have been told. In this video, the base material is laid out to show that we will need to know the time, date, and position in the sky in order to correctly analyze the moon. There is no doubt that the moon "rotates" in the night from moon-rise to moon-set, an apparent impossibility from an object 200,000+ miles away!

jorravn Channel Moon Video - Complete: Flat Earth – Video collaborating photos used by Mr Thrive And Survive SA Moon (https://youtu.be/CsIS5D_oIsw)

Ashley Webster USA Moon Video: Flat Earth: Blue Moon / Full Moon July 31, 2015 (https://youtu.be/I67bOHgSpvc)"

What science says about tides (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tide):

https://i.imgur.com/C7ILbi0.png

"Schematic of the lunar portion of earth's tides showing (exaggerated) high tides at the sublunar and antipodal points for the hypothetical case of an ocean of constant depth with no land. There would also be smaller, superimposed bulges on the sides facing toward and away from the sun."

Video: Moon's Gravity - 100% DEBUNKED!  (https://youtu.be/m97ZIsmQ7XY)

"There is NO evidence of gravitational forces of the moon on the earth's tides - NONE! There is a strong correlation in time of the tides where the moon will be located over the same general area of the earth when a certain tide is due but that ends the correlation. The moon, when located almost exactly at the same longitude as Baltimore, MD causes a LOW tide - Science states it should be a high tide.Yet, when the moon is near the same longitude as Hawaii, it is nowhere near a low tide. Science is busted with stating the moon causes the tides on the earth. This was so easy to show that it should be embarrassing to the scientific community who never seem to have the time to "do the work" and prove their own theories. They are so busy repeating the "line" handed down from one lazy scientist to another that they simply don't even check to see if what they state is true. They are their own gods whom they never have to examine closely for truth."

You can do it yourself and plug in high tide and low tide times on TimeandDate.com (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/sunearth.html?month=10&day=14&year=2015&hour=10&min=45&sec=0&n=&ntxt=&earth=0).

Are there still any Globots around?
If i take two or three  plumb bobs and hang them down from a hot air baloon form 1km or 10km height, on three distant locations, take a coordinate reading on the top and bottom at the same time with phone conversation from all six positions (3 top, 3 bottom), say eastern coast, western coast and europe, or europe, america and asia would that be some kind of proof?

Or just two ballons a few miles apart and measure the distance top and bottom of plumb bob.

https://i.imgur.com/XcwpfjV.png https://i.imgur.com/Huq5XAA.png
(sorry not to scale, does't that first pic look somewhat goofy?)

 Flat Earth  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1009045.msg12686054#msg12686054)

These ideas have to do with the way soundwaves work.

Krakatoa - Loudest Sound in Recorded History (https://www.awesomestories.com/asset/view/Krakatoa-Loudest-Sound-in-Recorded-History0)

Video: New Evidence for a Dome: 1883 Krakatoa  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JAf5vhqzSY)

Video: Sound Energy is Inverse Square: 1883 Krakatoa  (https://youtu.be/ZiJh9szAEgg)

OMG. You got to be American :D..you are a thick dumb ass
If you think the earth is flat and also stands still you are the biggest dumb shit on this planet.
YOU THICK TWAT :D :D Go and give yourself a slap you idiot.. ;D ;D

Flat Earthers has their right to believe what their brains able to concieve. But this thread become very annoying.

The Dogmatic Globe Defenders vs. Scientifically Questioning The Evidence

Video of the earth, where stars are seen through it. (https://youtu.be/RbTawcYO1G8?t=13m51s)

The cognitive dissonance will pass in time.

Video: Flat Earth Baby!!  (https://youtu.be/Rzx4SyOXm_U)

Huffington Post: Mom Gives Birth Prematurely During A 19-Hour Flight (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mom-gives-birth-19-hour-flight-from-taiwan_561ea2d2e4b050c6c4a3e94d)

"A Taiwanese woman went into labor and gave birth to a baby girl during a 19-hour flight from Taiwan to Los Angeles last week....When the expectant mother went into labor, pilots diverted the plane to make an emergency landing in Anchorage, Alaska, but the baby was born about 30 minutes before they touched down...."

https://i.imgur.com/TSpLHRj.png
https://i.imgur.com/Cqv2S8S.png (https://youtu.be/Rzx4SyOXm_U)

They always cover it up because they don.t want us to see spaceships entering earth..
look at most of the moon pictures always blacked out back grounds..

www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBdtzmUR9jk

as you can see in the video space is full of life..
i am 75% sure that the guy that made this video is telling the truth i do believe him for some reason.
if you check the guy out he is legit here is the full video

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QWLaloMm_k

Do you think he is a liar.. i don.t but you might think different..
most people will have seen this video but if you have not seen it then its a must watch..

also anyone can buy a telescope and see Mars threw it and Mars is round the moon is round so what makes earth flat .
here is mars threw some guys telescope

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoGf75Mtc4U

Also watch this and you will see all planets are round nothing to do with nasa
just some guy with his telescope

www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQVm7p6LkdI

You guys are living in Plato's Cave, you see a light on the ceiling and start tilting at windmills.

It may be the truth that there is movement near the stars. The stars themselves may be moving. In the bible it talks about angels, when they mention stars. "A star fell from heaven", is "an angel falling from heaven", etc.

No one is debating whether planets, the sun or moon, are circular or not. The main question is whether or not they are spheres.

Just because there are circles in the sky, that doesn't mean earth is a sphere.

https://i.imgur.com/3M9dV6q.png
Google Trends (http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=Flat%20Earth%2C%20Global%20Warming&gprop=youtube&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT%2B7)

Cute. :D

Though you'd probably have to put "climate change" in now...

https://i.imgur.com/D5ukKXz.png

It's not looking good for propaganda department these days. At least Gore had some flare, this re-vamped politically correct "climate change" terminology really doesn't capture an audience.

https://i.imgur.com/tiwCymm.jpg

That's funny. I was giving people the benefit of the doubt, with the "climate change" thing... you'd probably have to add the numbers for "climate change" and "global warming"... that should be higher than "flat earth"...if there's even a way to do that, may as well add in "concave earth" and whatever other kinds there are besides "globe".

Video: Wake UP! Evidence EVERYWHERE of Flat Earth (https://youtu.be/RZPoKCWwc4w)

"Recent news events, if you are awake, will confirm to you that we do not live on a spinning ball. They very fact that the USA is worried that Russia can cut-off 0ver 90% of the west's communications by CUTTING INTO UNDERSEA CABLES should be a big clue to anyone willing to reason that there are NO SATELLITES providing communication. I look at a few other stories also which are eye openers for those who do not have their "logic and reason switch" turned off. Its time to face reality and WAKE UP!"

https://i.imgur.com/42X3IV8.png

Don't waste your time on this video. The biggest point made throughout the whole video is what kind of fool you are to believe that the earth is round, etc.

All the points made on the video can be easily refuted.

I'm not saying that NASA doesn't lie. All I am saying is that the video is worthless without a debate... someone to debate it.

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But people are free to debate it here, and I'd be happy seeing both sides discussed.

Actually, this video isn't worth debating. There are lots of other flat-earth videos that take up a tenth of the time and say 10 times more. Nobody with the knowledge to debate this will waste his time.

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I am convinced that most flat-earthers are just internet trolls trying to get a rise out of people.

There's proof it's flat you know. Looking at the perfectly flat horizon the vanishing point extends well beyond what Earth's curvature should allow us to see if it's a globe. This fact can be documented with a telephoto lens and infrared camera. GAME OVER

It is more like a troll movement than real deal. That makes it funny so they love this fun.
Earth is definitely globe and it does not seem that much fun to think it is flat, for me.

i only believe in chemtrails!

There's proof it's round you know. Looking at the perfectly curved horizon the vanishing point extends well within what Earth's curvature should allow us to see if it is flat. This fact can be documented with a telephoto lens and infrared camera. GAME OVER...

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Chuckle.  :D


Chuckle.   :D

Venus is transparent?

Flat Earth - The real Venus above the flat plane  (https://youtu.be/Jp1TxJhHpZQ?t=1m54s) - the volume is really low.

https://i.imgur.com/kAmNRfa.png

notbatman, sure. Badecker, likely, but Moneyhoney sounds like a believer.

And coric absolutely is for sure. However, what it is that coric is for sure has not been determined.

 :D

This isn't a matter of "belief" as I can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the Earth is flat.

This would be absolutely wonderful, except for the fact that there are many folks who can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the Earth is round(ish).

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Actually no you/they can't because there's no evidence the Earth is a globe while the evidence it's flat is overwhelming.

In religion, the operation is like this. Religion, especially Judaism and Christianity, goes back to the beginning. No proofs are necessary, because the written works of religion contain eye-witness report references. Then science comes along and attempts to suggest and prove that religion is wrong. Religious people don't have the answers right out in the open, simply because they never needed to have the answers before. The result is (at least for a little while) that science rules over religion.

In a similar way, it has been proven that the earth is round(ish) long ago. In fact, the proofs for it have been forgotten (more or less) since the fact of roundness has been so overwhelmingly shown in the past. Then some jokers come along with new explanations and evidences that show that the earth is flat. Nobody rebuts because people are building on the proofs for roundness rather than examining the round proofs. For a while, the flat-earth proofs may seem logical.

When the religious people show how religion is right through science, science turns into political science... which operates through lies and embellishments, and anything that it takes to prove anything any which way. Perhaps flat-earth science will go this route, using political science when the science of round earth is brought into play. Perhaps flat-earth science will simply fade away. Perhaps flat earth will become the thing that it is becoming already, a cult.

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Must be scientists ^^.     :D

The earth is a sphere. The Old Testament says, talking about God, in Job 26:7:
Places in the Bible that talk about the "pillars" of the earth, could easily be talking about the "pillars" that hold the crust of the earth in position on the mantle.

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I'll agree the Earth as a whole is a sphere if you agree that we live on the inside and the land within is flat.

There's an empty space between the firmament and the flat earth; it's a half full bubble suspended by neutral buoyancy in 100% pure water. The pillars would be just to keep keep it from drifting.

Well, I'll give you one thing. Like the scientists who start believing their own, wild theories, long before the theories have been proven true, you have your religion going in another direction.

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@bad

I've got a mountain of poof, flat earth is not some wild theory. As for religion really, WTF is religion? I reference the bible simply because it's an ancient document that talks about what they knew about the planet a long time ago.

So the earth and man were created, great let's move on.

Round earth people have had a solid mountain of proof for a long time, while the proof for flat earth has more holes in it than Swiss cheese.

The Bible is:
-     Based on eye witness reports;
-     Handed down accurately by a nation more stubborn than any other for accuracy;
-     More ancient copies of fragments than any other religion (including the religion(s) of science) for a far longer period of time than any other religion;
-     More copies of fragments than could be expected without Divine help;
-     Filled with prophesies that were fulfilled, and prophesies that we are seeing being fulfilled;
-     The only book that offers a clear view from the beginning to the end and beyond;
-     Filled with reasonable and logical instruction for living life, for peoples of virtually any society;
-     The only book that clearly offers salvation into the best form of everlasting life, including the best reasons why life-to-eternal life works the way it does;
-     Stirs the hearts of many people, some of whom haven't even heard or read it, simply because it matches life so extremely well;
-     Maintains multitudes of believers who are moved by the Holy Spirit of God working through it;
-     Maintains a terrible warning for those who do not follow it... an eternity of damnation;
-     Is held in place by God.

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It thought the Earth was hollow?  And Antarctic has been declared off limits since operation, uhhm, High Jump in '47.

The idea of flat earth has been shown to be incorrect, scientifically for hundreds (thousands?) of years now. The idea of hollow earth was taught as truth in American schools as late as, possibly, the 1950s.

Does anyone have good hollow earth theory or science?

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@bad

I can provide over 400 different proofs the earth is flat. Some of them proof beyond a reasonable doubt. I challenge you to provide just one single proof that it's round.

I have provide at least a couple of proofs in the previous posts in this thread, and/or in the Flat Earth (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1009045.0) thread at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1009045.0.

I don't accept your challenge because I simply am not interested in playing this game, and because there have been lots of proofs for round(ish) earth right in these two flat earth threads, and because anyone can get out the books or Google all kinds of science to show that the earth is round(ish). Round earth science fills the holes in flat earth science to show that flat earth is a completely flawed idea, not even worth being elevated to the status of theory.

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No offcourse not. It's all wonderful readings but it's a fairytale as long as it's proven. As this pancake theory.

The fact is I don't really care.

hollow earth mainly stems from Byrds' story and that of a Norse father and son that went there in a barge.

However, the idea that the earth is a solid with liquid on the inside (or whatever), has only been evidenced through the use of seismic readings. One day it may be shown that the seismic readings are incorrect when operated through a ball as big as the earth. After all, nobody has drilled far enough down to prove that the earth is not hollow, and they certainly haven't been there.

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One day lots of things may be shown. That doesn't really support any theory. Also the fact that the current theory is 'only evidenced' by this or that, doesn't prove any other theory is more right than the current, or any of the others for that matter.

I dont believe everything that I'm presented with, like seismic readings or dinosaurbones or pyramids, is absolute fact. It may be absolute scientifically and for whom that bell tolls, I say let it.

I agree. And that is the reason why some evidence can be considered in favor of flat earth. While there is much firm evidence for round earth over flat earth, seismic evidence for solid/liquid center of the earth is basically all the real evidence that we have. Until we have facts, we should be presenting both, solid and hollow, as theories, being taught simultaneously. If people realized the challenge in these two opposing theories, they just might be more apt to attempt to find the truth.

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/me reaches into his bag of over 400 proofs and pulls out

The path of the Sun in the sky is impossible if the Earth is round.

But the path of the earth around the sun is not impossible if the earth is round. And the appearance of the path of the sun in the sky is simply an appearance.

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/me reaches into his bag of over 400 proofs and pulls out

The north star Polaris is visible south of the equator as far as the tropic of Capricorn; impossible on a globe Earth.

So farther south beyond Capricorn tropic,the northstar can't be seen?

Wouldn't that imply an oval shaped planet?

That's something batman would have said.    :D

/me  reaches into his bag of over 400 proofs and pulls out

The reflection of the Sun on the ocean travels from your feet all the way to the horizon; impossible on a globe Earth.

Oh come on. The horizon is different from a position at your feet than it is from a position six feet up.

I wonder if this is why they call feet feet.    :D

:)

/me reaches into his bag of over 400 proofs and pulls out

The horizon remains perfectly level no matter what the elevation is; impossible on a globe Earth.

The Flat Earth Conspiracy Debate! Yes, Really

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsOz_J6tJVU

If your eyes are located at ground level, the horizon is right at that level, even with your eyes, and at the location of your eyes. The higher you go above ground level, the further away the horizon becomes. The higher you go, the less the distance of the horizon changes for the similar amounts of altitude increase. Standard perspective trig.

:)

The world is flat, and resting on the backs of four elephants who, in turn, stand upon the back of a gigantic, space-travelling  turtle. This image below is from NASA:

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--JcyrI1nB--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/18myou0kz7ujejpg.jpg

While the guest on this show clearly isn't a shill or controlled opposition he really does a piss poor job of explaining things and still doesn't understand perspective and the vanishing point properly. However, autoplay is set on in my YouTube and the next video that played,

The Flat Earth 2015 - The Full Documentary HD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAN5RxEOST8

is excellent and goes over 21 different proofs, some of them are undeniable.

I wonder how the international space station fits into these flat earth conjectures. It orbits the earth every 90 minutes or so. It´s in low earth orbit and can sometimes be seen even with naked eyes and certainly untold people track it regularly with telescopes etc.

"project blue beam"

Also it´s difficult to see how a flat earth would be formed in the first place. If you stayed awake at least some of the time in school you´ve probably heard of something called gravity and learned that planets are round for reasons having to do with said gravity.

It was a big blow to flat earth fringe kooks in the fifties when the Soviets launched Sputnik into orbit and that proved without a shadow of a doubt that the earth was round. But later the interwebs came into existence and kooks got instant access to millions of morons.

How do you prove they weren't just bouncing their signal off the ionosphere?

Well, if I were dumb enough to try to prove that I´d have to do the same with thousands of other satellites and the international space station. I guess. Maybe you should try.  ;D

Well I just cast the shadow of doubt on Sputnik.

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https://i.imgur.com/nSLQYwJ.jpg
Glorification of the Eucharist by Ventura Salimbeni painted in 1600

Most people that read this and have an I.Q.over 60 probably think, cast doubt on Sputnik what is the guy talking about, there have been thousands of other satellites that millions upon millions of people have tracked around the world.

Maybe notbatman has part of a point there.

Back in the '50s they told us we were going to the moon. They showed us pictures of what it would be like living in space and on the moon.

Then in the '60s they got serious. We went to the moon. We have the movies and pictures to prove it. We even have the moon rock samples that they brought back.

In the '70s we were all excited, and we were patiently waiting. The weeks turned into months; the months turned into years; the years turned into decades. We forgot our excitement in the humdrum of life. We even forgot about the fact that they stopped fulfilling their promise - the promise of big time moon settlements.

Then in the '80s, we started to find fake photography in the moon photos. We found the fake movies, movies made on earth, of make-believe moon landings. We found that we never went to the moon at all. It was all a fake, designed to get more tax dollars out of us.

Now, as the general public is starting to find out the the moon trips of the '60s were all a lie, NASA is starting its line of BS all over again. It's basically the same line. The Orion space capsule is simply a larger version of the Apollo space capsule. But the pitch is still about the same - Youtube search on "NASA Orion." And the fake movies that will be made will seem more real than ever, because movie-making technology has advanced far beyond what it used to be.

Certainly the earth is round(ish). Certainly there is an outer space out there. But notbatman's points remind us that NASA and the government are a bunch of liars and swindlers at heart. And they are getting ready to "rape" another generation of us, now that we of the baby boomer generation have almost forgotten.

:)

Of course they´ve lied and lied. I certainly don´t deny that. But there are limits. For example this flat earth nonsense suspends basic natural law. Gravity doesn´t really exist. It´s beyond the pale.

On earth the theoretical limit for the maximum height a tree can attain is about 130m, limited by the maximum height to which capillary action can carry water. So, my question to flat earth believers would be how would that work on a flat earth and would the maximum height be the same all over the flat disc, center to edge?  ;D

The acceleration of the force we call gravity is measured to be roughly the same all over the surface (9.81 m/s²). However, this says nothing about its cause or mechanism of action which seems to me to be electromagnetic in nature. This being the case gravity would be a pseudo force like centrifugal force.

If a tree's maximum height is 130m then that's how high it will grow irrespective of whether the surface we live on is flat or a globe.

All right, since gravity doesn´t exist but things fall to earth due to some electromagnetic force how does a compass work on a flat earth? It has no north or south pole, right? As you may know; all magnets have two poles.

Some recap from fourth grade...

A compass points north because all magnets have two poles , a north pole and a south pole, and the north pole of one magnet is attracted to the south pole of another magnet. (You may have seen this demonstrated by a pair of simple bar magnets or refrigerator magnets pushed end to end.)

The Earth is a magnet that can interact with other magnets in this way, so the north end of a compass magnet is drawn to align with the Earth's magnetic field. Because the Earth's magnetic North Pole attracts the "north" ends of other magnets, it is technically the "South Pole" of our planet's magnetic field.

It's like the ring magnet in a speaker, the N pole is at the center and the S pole is around the circumference.

I think it´s time to close this pointless topic.

Fortunately the little knobs that control the horizontal and vertical here are out of your reach.  :P

stop this bs googling stuff please.

gravity is caused by "universal accerleration" you flat earth noobs.  :D

Actually, gravity is caused by the fact that people are planar rather than spatial creatures. After all, the animals don't know anything about the gravity they use.

In other words, the whole idea of gravity is all in your head.

 ;D

Gravity is a hoax its all to do Density.
https://i.imgur.com/LNS2mb.jpg

The world you live in
https://i.imgur.com/gbt1Vi3.png

I think that sometimes simple explanations makes more sense to common people like us that are not into science. If tomorrow scientists discover parallel dimensions like I read some days ago, I can't hardly tell if that's truth or not really.

In this is case is a little ridiculous we can mostly agree, but not sure how many percentage of the population can actually understand and prove. Only a handful have been in the outer space. There are very few actual photos of deep space, the moon, even Mars. We have selfies all over the world, amazing panoramas. Where are the on site Mars pictures, valleys, etc? Any HD videos? That would be amazing, but what we have it's all CGI or satellite blurry stuff.

But what force is pushing those layers against eachother?

I remember from physics class  there was 2 kind of newtonian energy: static & kinetic.

So those items have static energies in them that are released become kinetic.

Ok but what is the static energy itself? Isnt that gravity itself or how does it work fundamentally or in the quantum world?

Are you talking about static electric?

No sorry I was talking about this, in my native language its called other

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potential_energy

So you have potential energy , otherwise you can't explain pressure and your density phenomena.

But what is that force itself if not gravity? Or in quantum physics how does it work?

Yes, potential or stored energy. It´s stored as the result of the gravitational attraction of the Earth for an object.

The pen I hold in my hand has certain stored energy. If I drop it that energy turns into kinetic energy. It´s a zero sum equation here on earth so the pen does nothing to the floor but who knows on planet flatso it might bring down the building.

Without gravity, density wouldn't do the things that you show in this picture/diagram. Without gravity the different substances and objects in the picture would be all mixed up, located anywhere within the jar, or outside of it if there wasn't any lid on the jar. Without gravity, density wouldn't have much of any meaning at all.

:)

Flat Earthers vs. NASA

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-t8T0sem7gjA/VGcUMXor_zI/AAAAAAAAOvI/zwO4XcmnFPk/s1600/nasa-flat-earth.jpg

Live ISS stream

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-iss-stream

Current position of the ISS - Google Map

http://iss.astroviewer.net/index.php

You must other view, i see no live-iss-stream

Iss would be somewhat akin to a Sub everything would need to be fixed on board. Subs have fully equipped machine shops. Valves need changing, liquids drained, pressure hoses replaced.......

It has just entered the shadow east of the tip of South America so there´s not much to see. It loses connection occasionally and sometimes points at the station itself. I watched two orbits yesterday. It´s pretty fascinating.

If you say "gullible" slowly it sounds like "oranges".

I´m sure that´s a major intellectual discovery to someone who believes that the earth is shaped like a pizza pie.

Probably the original title of the book was "Gullible's Travails."    :D

I believe it is fake factory, take a look at this and draw your own conclusion:

ISS fakery hoax scam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-xOYKEtKuw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-xOYKEtKuw)  ::) :P
Space Fakery chris cassidy screws up again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le7_o1Gmab0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le7_o1Gmab0)  ;D
Soyuz TM un-docking from the ISS "HOAX EXPOSED": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdf68zBCCE&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdf68zBCCE&feature=youtu.be)

Enjoy watching. :D

I think at this point only Vince McMahon can save NASA.

International Cable Station tour with Medusa! (ISS)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOglTK2Hhhc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOglTK2Hhhc)

"You see the screensaver on laptop. Win XP. Bill Gates is not gonna be happy with that, they should upgrade to windows10."  ;D

Very funny video, recommended watch. Great work uploader.