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For escrow I use Bit2factor which is a BIP38 compliant escrow system: it means that you need only to choose a password for the transaction, the third party is made by the bitcoin protocol.
https://bit2factor.com/

I can send you a complete step-by-step guide on how to use it.

No escrow: you send first.

Pm if interested.

Or I suggest use a trusted member here, its much simpler and less risky :)

Human escrows are slow and expensive.


The only risk in a transaction with an automatic escrow is a human error.

hello
I can offer $144 send as F&F PM me if inerested

I accept only euros for this deal, sorry.

if you accept conversion fee, that no problem

I accept only euros for this deal sorry, no usd.

Skrill's exchange rates are too high.

Just throwing this out there in case you need this ASAP and don't find any other buyers: I can do this through PayPal if you change your mind and want to use another escrow.

My Life is ASAP, PayPal is ok if you send as F&F.


What's wrong with Bit2Factor?

If you send me the Intermediate Code we can start the transaction right now.

Domain is new, no idea who is behind the site that's using free open source code (so anyone could have set the site up), so honestly don't trust it.

EDIT: I'm on my mobile so haven't been able to fully check the site.

I've used already 5/6 times now.

I can send you a complete step-by-step guide on how to use it.

That's completely automatic.

I'll pass. My offer still stands though :) Sorry if I wasted your time.

sorry , I not unspecified, my offer in PayPal

PayPal's exchange rates are too high.

Domain was registered on April, 8th 2015 by
Organization: Domains By Proxy, LLC
Mailing Address: DomainsByProxy.com, Scottsdale Arizona 85260 United States
Phone: +1.4806242599

Code is Open Source:
https://github.com/mannkind/bit2factor.org
made by a guy from Washington.

Link to Bitcointalk thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=169957.0


Question: How can Open Source code be evil?

Who send anything about open source being evil?

I'll be even more honest here. I don't trust you, the only person who has recommended or publicly stated they've used this escrow. For all I know, you setup this site to scam us out of our precious BTC  :P By that I mean, the site is fake and not running the open source code it claims to be. Shit like this does happen at bitcointalk.org.

BTW, checked your trust and couldn't help but to notice "English - this user is most likely using shill accounts to fake his trading volume and trust, though I have no definitive evidence on the matter.". So yeah, I'm done here.

Good luck to anyone who decides to uses this escrow. An escrow that has NO reputation at all.

I said that: that was my question.


Escrows are built to not trust the other party: you don't have to trust me to do a transaction with me, that's why escrow are built.


I don't do that.

If you lose 5 minutes to look at my feedbacks you will believe what I'm saying.

You still have to trust the escrow itself. The way I see it, there is no difference between this site and a brand new account offering to escrow trades here.

Can't find nothing on this site. Only person that has recommended it was you. So my question to you, how did you find this site and why did you trust it in the first place?

This is the original thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=169957.0


Cause Innovation finds me always early.


This is a private question, I can only tell you that I found the original thread in the italian section of this forum and I trust it high enough.

Why did I trust it high enough? Cause Innovation finds me always earlier than the average Joe.

I will do this if we use a forum escrow. I can pay the fees. My skrill is in EUR as well.

That is forum escrow and this is the link to the original thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=169957.0

I don't want to use a 3-ways escrow, I want to use a 2-ways escrow (BIP38 compliant).

just interested... why are you avoiding forum escrow ? It is obvious that should you accept one, you wouldve probably done the trade by now - so its not about time. It is also not about fees since I will cover those. Just curious for the answer, thanks.

Bitcoin is the most advanced technology we have for transferring value, so it is really stupid to use an old style guarantor (human escrow or 3-way escrow).

It's like buying a Ferrari and running it on Diesel.
 
EDIT: this is an forum escrow https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=169957.0

This transaction can be done in 5 minutes without the need for a human escrow.

if the ferrari went 25% faster on diesel and the diesel is 25% cheaper I dont see a reason not to use diesel. I see 2 logical reason why you want to use that web escrow. Either you want to advertise it or you want to scam. It seems that it doesnt matter to you if you actually exchange the bitcoins, if that was your primary motive you wouldve accepted the offers above.

Can you provide a signed msg. of address containing the bitcoins ?

If you are rich you don't drive on Diesel.


I want to use the most advanced technology available today. I don't want to drive a Ferrari on Diesel.

I can assure you that I do need money.


Address: 1CQfPnxWTnAhGFsQhq6r6bm4cVQJ3KJTqQ
Message:
Signature: H5jnv11darfWg9dudYBUqgVQlbaR3cC/4kUYiR3vDQ5jC5nkMMi+RCPFCaMrw7Vl19fS6InhOPniG/XDaUlHCl0=

Address: 1CgJ3M9kweRAhpjRWAZYvE3UL8cpTjAox1
Message:
Signature: H+b23GCQa1JA5AahLMoEYB5NnSFUmbkKTqZrOOQ/wy0YG1EI4rhG55uJO+y60c/Xmj7trObzgxibm8Jk1nthGlg=

thanks,
My offer still stands for forum escrow. By signing the addresses you will at least prove you have them so maybe somebody will use that new escrow.

off topic :)
why not running with diesel if:
Audi Since its debut in 1999, the brand with the Four Rings had won the world’s most important endurance race as many as nine times with the R8, R10 TDI and R15 TDI models

Original thread for that escrow is dated 04/07/2013
Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=169957.0

Previous domain was www.bit2factor.org after 2 years domain expired and it was renewed on 04/08/2015 as www.bit2factor.com that is why not so many people knows it.

This is not a new escrow.

Transaction with that method can be done in 5 minutes without the need for human escrows, if you think I'm scamming you we could do for half of the sum.

BTC0.2725 for €70.46.

Anybody?

We could do the transaction in 5 minutes: with the escrow I'm using there is no time lost in contacting a human escrow and pay him/her the fees.

havent chagned your mind ?

I never change my mind.

We could use DevScrow if it's more suitable to you, but you need to pay the fees.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=708658.0

Also with users with the status newbie I don't exchange through PayPal it is too risky.

We could exchange trough Skrill. Please let me know.

Thanks.

i only have skrill, 0,55 for 140.92 eur and I will cover the fees for devscrow.

This guy posted nonsense for weeks in the Italian forum and now is here begging for people to send first.

Where is my popcorn gif?

What means something in a language can be nonsense to another.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/60/84/31/6084314bf18212715fdcc3c5c43e40e8.jpg

so? You didnt respond to me

Pm sent.

A facepalm gif would have been more appropriate.

I know you won't listen, but just in case you are the slightest bit reasonable: Please stop this. Work with legitimate, known escrows such as those on this site or on LBC. Your claim that you want to save time is obviously bullshit since you've simply ended up wasting a significant amount of time arguing for the use of this third-party, untrusted escrow. This is so childish and uncalled for.

No one is going to bite.

/thread.

This is OT.

For the record I did two trades with BitNow using https://bit2factor.com/ as escrow. He first recommended an italian version of it, which I didn't really trust since I can't read Italian. So I did some research and found bit2factor. It's really cool, even if you don't intend to trade, check it out. Download the source code and run it on your computer, don't use the website.

I can't vouch for the source code itself, but I didn't find anything indicating scam based on my research AND I did two trades with BitNow successfully. He sent the BTC first into the escrow address, then I transferred the PayPal Funds, then he sent me the encryption key. It really is a very awesome way to do deals without third parties and I'll definitively use this in the future. Play around with it, see what you think.

No, actually it's addressing the topic quite directly. I am sorry that you are unable to see that.

By the time that a human escrow reply to your enquiry you will have already done the transaction with Bit2Factor.

Time = Money => Time saved = Money saved

If he already has the key to the wallet, how exactly is that escrow?

Yes, this is true. OP is a real idiot. Amen.

He has the encrypted key, it's useless for him without the password, which only I hold.

1. I generate "Intermediate Code" using a password of mine
2. I send him the Intermediate Code
3. He generates public address and encrypted address + confirmation key using the Intermediate Code
4. He sends me confirmation key
5. I enter my password and confirmation key and is given the public address
6. I confirm with him that we both have the same public address
7. He sends money to the public address
8. At this point, the BTC is in the public address, he has the encrypted private key, I have the password to decrypt the private key. At this point, nobody has access to his BTC. I then transfer my paypal to him
9. He sends me the encrypted private key.
10. I decrypt the key using my password and transfer the BTC to my own wallet.

To use Bit2Factor proceed as follow:
1) Go to https://bit2factor.com/ and click on "Generate Intermediate Code". Create a passphrase and click on "Generate Intermediate Code"
2) Send me the Intermediate Code generated at step (1)
3) I will generate BTC Address, Confirmation Code and Private Key and send to you the BTC Address and the Confirmation Code
4) Click on "Verify Confirmation Code", insert the passphrase and the Confirmation Code I sent you and click "Verify Confirmation Code"
5) If the escrow told you "OK" then I will send the bitcoins to the BTC Address I sent you at step (4)
6) You send me the PayPal funds.
7) I send you the Private Key

With the private Key you will click on "Decrypt Private Key" and enter the passphrase you enter at step (1) and the Encrypted Private Key I just sent you.

Click Decrypt Private Key.

You will receive the PRIVATE KEY (WIF) that you can import in your bitcoin wallet and have the XXX bitcoins I just sent you.

This gives you the guarantee of the transaction without using a person in the middle.


Sorry to steal the reply from TheKoziTwo.

That describes the process to use the BIP38 compliant escrow.


This is the description of the BIP38 feature: basically the sender (FIAT) retain the passphrase to have the guarantee in the transaction.
https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0038.mediawiki

Try to teach not to kill and you will learn with your scholar.

"The more you eliminate human factor the less errors you will have."

Up.

I'm bilingual. Yours is utter nonsense.

You are just building trust to scam later on. I will watch that happen from the sidelines.

https://i.imgur.com/3ttiwE9.gif

Surely that's no nonsense: that's an accusation.


No comment.

wow you are so sick you edited it :D in the previous post you said I'm idiot and you don't know what's op, gj

This message is OT.

If Santa_marta uses a hotmail email address, then they both deserve each-other...


This popcorn needs more butter...  :D

This message is OT.

Interesting how you removed my caution to you about hotmail

This message is OT: you don't need an email address to exchange bitcoins.

You lack of technology skills and you are spamming my thread.

Up.

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