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Do you think Gavin has knowledge of who or how to reach Satoshi?

I think he does, why would he have the alert keys if it wasnt the case? He's also one of the main rumored guys to be satoshi along with nick sziabo. No one of this changes anything tho, at the end of the day is just speculation and we are getting nowhere without any relevant proof.

I wonder if its just Gavin himself using satoshi as a cover?

I am not too sure about that. There is also a chance that Gavin Anderson might have known Satoshi only through emails and other anonymous forms of communication. The real identity of Satoshi might not be known to Gavin, or to those guys who joined the Bitcoin community during 2009 (such as Theymos, Xunie, Sirius.etc).

Most likely there is a lot of persons , Theymos (won't make sense to give him control of forum unless he trust him for real) , Sirius ( who created forum with Satoshi and control Bitcoin.org I assume ) and Gavin too if he isn't already Satoshi but I don't think he is because it would be too obvious .
but Gavin claim he was in contact with Satoshi in email so it would be kinda fucked up if he was emailing himself :o also seems like he dissapeared once they CIA asked to talk to gavin

It's a no for me. Tons of people collaborate on online projects without ever knowing the identity of who they're dealing with.

When you throw in its origins on the cryptographic mailing list, it's probably considered the height of poor manners to ever enquire about who the person is at the other end.

Satoshi would gain zero advantage in letting anyone know his/her/their identity. It wouldn't have improved the project and would only cause potential problems.

I wish Satoshi can reveal himself (if he is really one man, if 'he' is an organization or a group I think it is better to keep status quo).
If people find out that he is not a part of NSA or any government agency, then stupid argument that bitcoin is in reality project to fuck with us will go away.
Additionally for creating innovation like blockchain and bitcoin he could even receive a Nobel Prize, that would be huge for promotion of bitcoin.

I understand this. But under what pretense would they stop talking to each other ever again. They never expresses and disdain for each other?

There was no need to fall out. It's an open source project. Satoshi had nurtured it virtually alone for a long time. Once enough people were on board then he eased off and disappeared. Maybe Gavin going to see the CIA back in the day gave a him bit of a nudge. That supports the idea that no one knows who he was and he didn't want any prying.

Could be a possibility, but at this point I don't care to find out if they know each other and who Satoshi exactly is. It doesn't matter. Bitcoin is here and working at full.

imho he knows it for sure, maybe he never met him personally, but it doesn't mean, that he can't get in touch with him when he wants.

anyway, as already stated, these days really doesn't matter, if somebody knows who is satoshi..maybe first two years but for now it is more or less worthless info.

Couldn't it be substantial to know what the original creators geopolitical views were?

and why you think it matters and why you are trying somehow to connect political views and blade-edge technology and open-source? imho it is totally irrelevant, at least for me + I don't want to be somehow dissapointed. generally, imho is advantage, that "nobody" knows who Mr. Nakamoto is.

It could be yes, but it was a big secret. Which means, if someone revealed the secret then it would lead us the another secret.
BTW, we don't even know who or what is Satoshi?

I think Gavin has his hunches as to who Satoshi is but I don't think he knows for sure.
He more than likely has met him and spoke to him IRL and didn't even know it.
Knowing Satoshi's real identity could be dangerous. Satoshi whether a person or group was very smart, and they are smart enough not to endanger others by letting them know who Satoshi really is.

I think it benefits no one if Satoshi went public. As soon as he went public, he would be judged, and mainstream media would start dropping headlines to try to damage Bitcoin with something negative related to him, and everyone has done something negative in his life, so they would try to find that and attack Satoshi with that, whatever it is.
If he remains anonymous, the figure of Satoshi cannot be attacked beyond speculation.

I think Gavin Don`t know who satoshi is and vice versa but if some point both this two giants know each other be ready for a new joyride when comes to bitcoin.

I suppose it is somewhat pointless the political views of satoshi. I find interesting that no one really brings about the discussion why satoshi suddenly ceased communication with gavin?

by the way: who the hell is Gavin Anderson?  :D

He means Gavin Andresen. He probably knows who satoshi is, they were in close contact. Once the CIA contact Gavin Satoshi dissapeared.

What I think is that Gavin is actually satoshi, and what better way to remove the unknown factor "Satoshi" from the scene was just goto a meeting with CIA, I think Gavin explained them or was said to stop the bullshit with unknown factor.

Who in the world create something as awesome as bitcoin and leave it to unknown stranger for talking care :3 That's a total bullshit humans don't have that level of trust unless satoshi was an alien :P

I think someone on the forum is Just using a cover for unknown reasons.

Andresen lol

i'm nearly sure he know more about satoshi than we think. but it's limited to not knowing who satoshi is in real life. don't think anyone know who he is in real life. it's purely internet communication.

Well Gavin could have created Satoshi so if something went wrong he could make Satoshi responsible. Those are theories and speculation nothing more.

I think your opinion sounds quite appropriate, so he can keep bitcoin secret safely, and in other hand people will only focusing to guess who Satoshi is. I mean, if Satoshi is real, then CIA or any secret agent else should already find him with their technology.

i vote for yes, i really think he know who is Mr. sn. he was the most closed "friend" of him yes? so why he should not know who is him?

Do you?

You must to have this much curiosity to set up a poll and pose the question. So assuming my premise is correct, what information do you have that leads you to the hunch that Gavin knows Satoshi? For those of us that don't know Gavin's history as well, answering this poll is just like flipping a coin. If we don't have any information to help us make a choice we'll just choose any answer to see the results.

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

I don't think Gavin knew until he went to talk to the CIA, and they told him who it was.

You're quite right, lets not provide a centralized point of attack to bitcoin.

But also don't forget the threats possible to steal his btc. Physical abuse, extortion to himself, family.and even friends.

I agree, the identity of the bitcoin creator should stay "decentralized" and anonymous so bitcoin can stay too. We shouldn't really care about who created bitcoin but more of what we can  do with it. All these talks about who Satoshi is, is just "waking" up our inner curiosity.

Gavin didn't "go" to the CIA, the CIA was there from the start. Gavin is essentially Satoshi's handler because Satoshi was only 15 years old.

Err...ok.

You sound 100% confident, so I assume you have some evidence to back up your rumor?
No? Figures...

My vote is no.

He may have some strong suspicions but probably does not know for sure. Even if he does, he should respect the privacy of Satoshi.

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I'm only looking for 1% possibility. That's all it takes. You don't want to be the one who didn't believe when the truth finally comes out. Just so you know.

Found the mistake. :D

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I don't think he does. Satoshi seems to be a brilliant man (you must be brilliant to create something like Bitcoin) who has planed and very  well executed his every step. I think it was planed that nobody knows him and this is exactly how the situation unfolds, until now people are just guessing who he is.
So no, everything was planed an he is still on the top of situation.

Oh no, another thread about 'satoshi' or Gavin Anderson   ;D ... I don't believe or better I can't believe.

    Go and read the white paper OP. It's all explained in there.
   Yes,  If Gavin really,really needs to contact Satoshi then he has a BIT-light that beams a 3d Bitcoin image onto the sky and Satoshi will appear.
  Think bat light from Batman comic's and you'll get the idea. ::)

That's more exotic than I was expecting. I assumed he'd just send a million coins to the right address for a heads up.

This! +1

Also, this CIA visit sounds intriguing, anyone care to put up some links on the details of this so us new comers can get up to speed?

Gavin definitely knows a lot more than anyone of us will know

Here we go.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=6652.0

No I don't think Gavin knows who Satoshi is. However I am sure he has his suspects.  Based on the circumstantial evidence he probably also suspects Nick Szabo.

I voted yes before reading the thread and now I'm on the no side
If Gavin could prove he was satoshi he could do whatever he wanted with BTC
He would be the true BTC CEO
It would expedite all sorts of development
End arguments
Etc

Of course it might not reflect too kindly on the whole decentralized autonomous banking thing...

NO, and it DOESN'T MATTER

there is something suspicious for sure about the alert key that was given to Gavin, but i do not believe he know him in person, still i'm in the side of thinking that satoshi isn't a man only

i mean the current developments could be "satoshi" as a code name for a group of coders...

He still is the biggest hodler, so it is definitely not worthless info IMO. His intentions for his giant stash, or whatever people think his intentions are, could have a massive impact on price.

Why does no ones ask him to contact satashi. Wouldn't it seem reasonable there still in contact?

Yup. He could squash the market flat with ease but I suspect he would find the idea of exchanging coins for the currencies he set out to succeed pretty distasteful. And you can only sell your coins once.

While he talked with Satoshi his real ID would not be known to him being psudeoanon.
Just as we have profile names and a real person behind each account he communicated with Satoshi as Satoshi not under a real name.

I heard from a trusted source (Rosalyn), that Satoshi Nakamotos twin brother was killed by the CIA with help from Gavin "Anderson", who was hypnotized at that CIA meeting. They wanted to take control over Bitcoin and empty Satoshis wallets, but they failed, because Satoshis wallet was encrypted and his twin had no pass, so they tortured him to death. After that, Satoshi had enough reason to hide himself forever and never ever touch that wallets. Now Gavin and the CIA have taken control over the Bitcoin source and they brought the blocksize discussion up to introduce some 0-days, that will give them total control over Bitcoin and every wallet. The plan is to destroy Bitcoin and the crypto community and to ban encryption for civilians.

I think its a cool story, Bros.  ;D

Don't stir up the newbies... they might just think this is true.  ;D

I still think it was a group of people... Gavin and Nick Sziabo is definitely part of it... and I guess they decided together to go underground with all of this, when Gavin got scared and ran to the CIA.

The US Government also know who they are, and obviously do not see them as a threat, otherwise Bitcoin would have been banned all over the USA from the start.

There must be something in it for the US Government, for them to participate in the experiment.  ::) {The perceived anonymity perhaps?}

Conspiracy theories is sooo much fun.  ;D ;D

I don't know exactly, but Gavin is the person who in the "Satoshi team" of Bitcoin project, although he's said he contacted with Satoshi for business only, but it possible if he's knew Satoshi closer.


This is very cool untold story :D

Gavin Anderson might know who Satoshi Nakamoto is, although I've heard rumors that he might be Satoshi himself... ???

People who can't even get his name right are hardly believable .
Unless you really mean this triathlon runner: gavinanderson.blogspot.com

There definitely is a possibility, although I doubt he will make this information public.

I think he doesn't

Satoshi was a smart person and It would trust his identity to anyone

Gavin should have an idea, but he is not saying anything. You cannot tell me Satoshi would hand over his creation with the Alert keys, to someone he did not have a close relationship with. It's possibly the biggest technology since the internet and you just hand over the key to the guards at the gate?

Gavin and some other people know who he or she is, but they protect him or her. Secrets only stay secrets for so long, and then someone spill the beans.

Its so strange that a few days after the news broke over Dorian, satoshi made his first statement in years. Which means hes still is closely watching bitcoins and could explain why his stash is un moved. Hes lives a very frugal life.

I think he knew, perhaps satoshi collaboration with Gavin Anderson to develop bitcoin

Not true. His account was hacked and the message was NOT signed.

But dont you feel curious, that no one couldnt find the true identity of satoshi even any government secret agent or hacker? I think there is a possibility that its a fake figure to distract people from the real one who created this bitcoin.

Which makes me think that the real creator of Bitcoin would be Obama himself....lol  ::)

Well, they are still to catch Variety Jones because they either truly don't know who he is, or he is/was working for them.....
Hmm.... ::)

Is really releasable to think some one who is a master cryptologist that created the worlds safest digital currency based around being (uncrackable) got hacked, let a lone hacked the around the same time Dorian was discovered? Why not hacked previously? And if he was hack, how come there has not been more posts from the hackers?

While it is true that 'Satoshi' is probably watching how his invention is evolving and growing. We can't deny a possibility that he really wrote that comment about Dorian to cut all speculation.
Message was not signed, right. But that does not 100% prove that it was not real Satoshi.

What if the true originator of bitcoin was really say Kim Jung of North Korea. Can you honestly say people would not be effect by this and/or the price?

leave Satosh.....ah forget it.

Lol thats not a good guess, you should seek the one who arent very busy in his life  :D

Yeah, maybe he is one of us, made new account and making comments here  8)

I feel thats one of the most under rated aspects to the whole think. Who is Gavin Andresen? Could he be a CIA agent? Or is he just really smart guy in the rite place at the rite time? Either way he was a part of the fundemental design of bitcoin and seems to stay pretty low under the radar for someone of his stature, I mean the conglomerate value on bitcoins is in the billions.

Hackers are overrated in this area.
The people who could find satoshi are those with access to warrant searches on the forums and lists satoshi used.
In fact, I think it's highly likely that, by now, the nsa knows who he was. But why would they release that information to you? It will be of use only if they decide to target him, and then only as PR.

'releasable? reasonable i guess you mean.
Yes, even a cryptographer with a (probable) cypherpunk background could be outed by people with enough resources. Every one of us knows this. The idea is to make it so hard as to not be worth their while to spend the resources to do it.
Simply stated; 100% security on a public network is impossible, but 99.99% is doable :)

The hacker is reality. It doesn't matter how hard it is for you to believe that: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=775174.0


Just in case Roselyn or someone else wants to claim that 37,6 BTC bounty on the hackers dox: http://bitcoinbountyhunter.com/satoshi.html

Yes. Of course.

I don't understand how Gavin could work with Satoshi, but has no guess or clue as to who he really is?

Let's do a piece of work together.

You have no idea who I am.

I have no idea who you are.

From memory, they "met" in an online forum discussing cryptography (sci.crypt on Usenet, possibly?) From there they only had to exchange throwaway email addresses to work privately together, while remaining ignorant of the other's identity (NB. I strongly suspect they used something more secure than email).

If those secret agents really know who he is, then I think their governments will take action for bitcoin immediately instead of release the information about him to public.

Initially why would they be trying to remain anonymous to each other?

I think he is obviously not him

If he were him it would had not made sense to be anonymous from the beginning

Pretty sure there's no one who knows who he is/how to contact him. Obviously speculating, but are there any clues anyone know anything about him?

maybe Sirius which was together with him the builder of this forum?

this strange part is that Sirius is very well know while satoshi not

Who is Sirius, aka real name?

I think there are more people that know who Satoshi really is that one may think at a first glance. But if the founder chose to be anonymous,
i believe it should be respected. Satoshi's identity isn't that much relative to bitcoin advancement imho. As a project, he created bitcoin where the
main point is decentralization; so community is the one who should continue to carry the torch, Satoshi only paved the road at the start.

cheers

i think probably a few of the early bitcoiners know who he is.

sirius = Martti Malmi,
second Bitcoin developer after Satoshi

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Satoshi_Nakamoto
That page make me very curious, how can bitcoin wiki suppose the birth date of Satoshi since he is an anonymous person/group? But whoever satoshi is, he has helped our life to escape from high tax and regulations by government :)

I guess he mentioned it in some post, or it was the that he used when he registered somewhere. Ignore it, it's probably as real as the name S.N.

Anyone know Gavins age?, why such little information about Gavin on his Wiki, weird if he play such a instrumental role in the founding of btc

I dont know.

Anyone that can completely hide their identity through the whole process of creating/collabarating/handing off a project like bitcoin (as well as this forum) has some serious identity protection experience.  It makes me hihgly suspicious that "he" is not just some random programmer, but has some sort of further experience/ties, possibly intelligence ties.

And I think anyone that claims to not know him/never actually spoken to him in real life is lying or at the very least hiding something.

It seems so inconsistent with human nature to simply cuts ties and never speak to someone who you worked with on one of the most successful digital projects, in regards to currency and transactions of it. It only seems plausible that communication on some level would be had.

Not to mention "he" not only cut ties, but supposedly did so and succesfully handed off the entire project without any communication besides email and this forum. I mean back then btc was nowhere near what it is now, why go to such lengths to hide yourself?

Plus speaking of going against human nature, "he" singlehandedly controls millions of $ worth of btc and leaves it untouched. Talk about mind boggling!

It's the only way to maintain a nym securely. Every single action you take with a nym increases its 'attack surface'.
Anyone who knows about security on the internet knows this, and would behave exactly this way.

Knowing who satoshi is/was and knowing how to reach him now are different.  Also who are we really anyway, a internet name or real name?  Why does you real life name seem to be considered who you really are?

You do not ever wonder who are the guys who develop the BTC core. All of them are coming from the e-currency businesses. They are not saints at all. All of them wants money. They are not dreamers like many of you.... :)

BTC was created to make money for a bunch of people. "Satoshi" is a fictional person which represent a group of people (they know each other) who are coming from the e-currency industry(e-gold, Osgold and so on).

They created a nice story which was "eated" by the hungry hipsters, they promote it in the HYIP industry(anyway, they were part of it), they changed the normal HYIPs in so called forex trading in order to be trendy and done... here we are; a NEW e-currency. Yes, it's trendy, fancy  "decentralized" which it is not true :)

You didn't ever ask yourself, what are the relations between the main developers, exchangers and merchants. Who is behind the curtain?.

Just make a simple search regarding to the main exchangers like CoinBase, Bitstamp, BTC China, Ripple and so on.
Do you know that SatoshiDICE owns more than 60% from the existing BTC ?  lol.  You will find the SAME people as "shareholders".

The same shareholders are the sponsors for many news media websites which promote Bitcoins.

wake up ! nobody wants you to be rich. this business was created to serve "few" people and you are just sheep who "eat" crumbs from their table. :) nothing wrong with that but you just have to accept it and move forward.

OVNIS in coins?

now the important think is not about that.
cause i think there is no one knows about who is Satoshi.
cause the identity has hidden.

it's a fictional person. read above :)

No way, currently no one knows that who is Satoshi and where he is.
He is the most anonymous person I've ever heard of, I doubt that if he is alive or not.

Satoshi is obviously someone. That may not be his/her real name. But you cant honestly write it off as no one?

Could it be "satoshi" is a group of people, acting as if they were one person?  That way it could never be traced back to one single person?  And their anonymity might be better kept by using a full team of people wiping their trail and keeping communications very limited to cetain people (current admins of this forum, gavin, etc?)  Then if one trail leads to one of them, they can try to say satoshi isnt them, by showing they used to be in contact with him?  Is it that "satoshi" is just a false name usedto throw people off the real creators???

Who is Gavin Anderson? xD

I have it on good authority that Satoshi is currently living inside a crawlspace in Gavin's home. Late at night he emerges and they enjoy a couple games of chess with tea, ...and occasionally a man hug. Then he slips back into the woodwork and reads various Indian spiritual texts by candlelight.

The private keys..... its the private keys we want

+1, what do we really know about him. Is it not possible he is has alternative motives in regards to developing the bitcoin infrastructure?

Hahaha, great call. The answer should be a unanimous NO...because no one knows who Gavin Anderson is!

Gavin Anderson? Who is that guy? ??? But seriously, I think most of the devs know who he/she/they is/are. It's just that they don't want the persona behind Satoshi Nakamoto be revealed because that wouldn't even help bitcoin in either way. They want bitcoin to survive without someone being deemed as 'god' because he created the code. There should be no politics involved in the first place, that's why Satoshi left bitcoin for good.

It would be really strange that the commited developers didn't have a clue of who satoshi is, or had at least some mails from him.

http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/527051/the-man-who-really-built-bitcoin/


Quote from Gavin Andresen, aka Gavin Bell.  Not sure why he goes by a new name/ alias now.

No, you didn't get it. It's Gavin Andresen, not Anderson.

Yes, I think Gavin Andresen knows who Satoshi Nakamoto is but he will never say it to us.

I'd like to think that he knows also, but if he does, and spends this much time publicly saying that he doesn't know who he is, he's setting himself up to look like an untrustworthy liar, not exactly what he would want being kind of the "head" of btc development.

The more I think about it, the more likely I think that "satoshi" is not a person but a name given to a group of people, and since it actually isn't one person, there isn't anyone to find.

I don't agree. He knows and he wants to protect him, community and technology. Why would he tell us the real ID of Satoshi? It's irrelevant to the Bitcoin technology. We don't gain anything if we know who Satoshi is.

OK, we don't necessarily gain anything knowing who "he" is, but it wouldn't hurt either.

My point is if he does know, and is hiding it, that could cause more harm than good to both his reputation, as well as bitcoin as a whole, and would open up questions as to why it was kept a secret for so long?  To be honest, it reminds me too much of how the gvt operates.

I still do not understand why people do not question who created bitcoin more?

I don't think he knows the exact identity of satoshi. If he does wouldn't you think that he will be threatened in the sense that secret agents might find a way to extract and get the information from him? Not sure if he still maintains contact with satoshi but definitely they have communicated and worked closely in the past. 

Does it not seem plausible that they are still in contact?