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PLEASE someone help with this DUST thing ! It is happening again and again and again.....I'm having the money and the fee is reasonable ... I want to move my money from this STUPID wallet ! HELP!

The solution has probably been listed countless times, here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1208286.0

Happened to me to... It wasn't the fee that was the problem, it was the change...  Try selecting a different address to send the BTC from, or slightly lower/higher your fee or the sent ammount untill the problem dissapears

Why ? Why should I lower the amount or fee...I want to send this amount...I tried to change the fee more than 10 times and the same happened...and btw how am I supposed to select from which address to send money from ? There are these fields: Pay to , description , amount , fee. And that is all.
Are there problems alike  that in other wallets like armory etc... ?

Let's assuem the following:
- 0.00005600 BTC is considered as dust
- you want to pay 0.001 BTC
- your wallet holds 0.00155000 BTC
- the fee you configured for this payment is 0.0005 BTC

The calculation is as follow:

If you would pay a higher fee then the calculation could be like this:

Or you could go the opposite way and pay less fee:

So the dust is the amount that will stay after the eventual transaction in my wallet ? And if it is too low I cannot do the transaction ?

Yes but not in your wallet but in a specific address. The change address.

And you also can't do a payment where the amount you pay is smaller than the dust.

torusJKL explained this perfectly...

My second solution: use a different address to send the bitcoins from:
open electrum
go to adresses
chose an address holding enough funds, right click on it
chose send from

This way, you can use a different input for the transaction, possibly changing the amount of change you send back to one of your own addresses


Altough it's a problem you can fix yourself by chosing a different address, changing the fees, or the transfer amount, i do feel that electrum could actually calculate this for us, and use an input where this problem will not arise... Maybe it's a nice suggestion for the creator of electrum :)

I created a feature request with a solution that I think could work out well.
https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum/issues/1550 (https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum/issues/1550)
Feel free to comment or enhance it.
Hopefully it will find it's way into future versions of Electrum.

Thanks.
Btw this is really unnecessary and stupid because you should always send anything to just 1 address and you should always watch out about the dust...the dust to be : smaller than the payment ; to be not too small, because you wouldn't be able to do the transaction exactly because of this dust and to send from a specific address because ..of the dust :D I think that this electrum should be having a couple of changes in order to be less confusing and therefore more handy for us- the users!

According to the developer the standard behavior of Electrum is already to add the dust to the fee.
What version of Electrum are you using?

2.5.3

I've just read your issue on github...
I can verify that the problem is reproducible on electrum 2.5.1...

Thanks :)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bypr6ylzim3th0r/magic....png?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dz98qz2evkt32ff/what.png?dl=0

The dust amount has changed in the latest release of Bitcoin Core (0.11.1)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1214993.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1214993.0)

Electrum currently does not take this change into account.
Until a new version exists you will need to change the fee by yourself to remove the dust.

Thanks for clearing that up :)
So, i the end, it was indeed a clean issue request, since we'll need an electrum update in order to "fix" the dust-issue (i know, it's not really an issue, but still, you need to do a manual intervention untill the issue is fixed"

There is nothing you can choose here.
Every line is the same address an thus will be included in the transaction.
What is the amount you want to send?

yeah I thought so, but what about the other one...Why are there 2 different amounts :D Btw I already sent what I needed it before I shoot these pictures ( I do NOT know how but it happened! :D )

many Electrum servers increased their minrelayfee recently, because of the spam attack.
as a consequence, their dust threshold increased.
I will release a new version of electrum to take this into account

Here is the transaction:
https://blockchain.info/tx/789fc01434cb032912c06196b12d66b12e0a754913df05b26d171478acaea04e

You payed 0.003 BTC to the address 1GGbkers3TnBRTPrDcJzEWP2Hd7V3noZ41.
The remainder of 0.00012979 BTC was sent to your change address 1FYkpNBt17vxX9J6oZyHwcqME3u1fKxLYj (https://blockchain.info/address/1FYkpNBt17vxX9J6oZyHwcqME3u1fKxLYj)

This is the default behavior of Electrum.
If you don't want to use change addresses and instead send the remainder back to the input address then you can change this in the settings.

please update with 2.5.4

Wow, that was fast... Great work :)

EDIT: just downloaded 2.5.4, could not reproduce the problem, so it's either fixed, or i chose the wrong input :)

This is off-topic:
I saw in the transaction that you get money from sites like
hourlytim dot com
CryptoHourly dot com
CryptoHourly dot com
and maybe also others.

It is virtually impossible to make those interest rates.
A daily interest rate of 3.6% is a yearly interest rate of 1296%.

These sites are most likely a ponsi scheme (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponzi_scheme) and I would recommend that you get your bitcoins out of them as fast as possible.

That is actually what I do. I invest in a new site like the above. And after 1-2weeks I withdraw everything and invest in another one. That is my strategy :D