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Title: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: interlagos on December 04, 2012, 01:58:34 PM
Below is a wonderful presentation made by Farsight institute this past summer explaining their approach to understanding remote viewing and as a result outlining their view of general vibrational structure of reality itself.

In short, all space and all time exist simultaneously as infinite wave patterns in what we call "here and now". The difference in perception of "close" and "far" in space and "back then" and "far into the future" in time is achieved by a phenomena called constructive and destructive interference. According to the presentation there is nothing else.

Basically by tuning your own frequency as a conscious observer you can create a different vibrational interference patterns (or ensembles in terms of the presentation) with waveforms of reality that are already present and surround you and thus tap into information about a particular object "far away" in space or an event "long ago" in time.

The video implies some knowledge of quantum physics and some understanding of wave-functions, but the concepts explained in the presentation itself are quite easy to grasp.
Here is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm5L8z34sNg
Enjoy! :D

PS: If you're familiar with some of the Bashar videos on youtube then the concepts explained here are a perfect match, especially videos related to teleportation, transformational vibration or signature vibration.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: Axios on December 04, 2012, 02:12:33 PM
This is pseudo science. The guy claims that he remote viewed Jesus Chris! And don't insult quantum physics...


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: interlagos on December 04, 2012, 05:28:03 PM
This is pseudo science. The guy claims that he remote viewed Jesus Chris! And don't insult quantum physics...


I don't see any problems with remote viewing Jesus Christ.

Paradigm shifts are painful, I understand.
You're probably still missing the times when geocentric model was popular.
That was a real "hard" science unlike the pseudo-scientific-heresy of Copernicus and Galileo Galilei.

In fact I can't remember any established theory in the past which wasn't turned upside down by its successor. So what makes you think that this time is going to be different?


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: myrkul on December 04, 2012, 07:19:17 PM
This is pseudo science. The guy claims that he remote viewed Jesus Chris! And don't insult quantum physics...


I don't see any problems with remote viewing Jesus Christ.

Paradigm shifts are painful, I understand.
You're probably still missing the times when geocentric model was popular.
That was a real "hard" science unlike the pseudo-scientific-heresy of Copernicus and Galileo Galilei.
Assuming it's possible to remote-view other locations in space, I see no reason why it would not be possible to remote-view other locations in time. After all, Space and time are merely the warp and the weft of the same fabric: Spacetime. Of course, that first assumption is pretty big, and I'd need to see some repeatable experiments to believe it.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: Axios on December 04, 2012, 07:21:18 PM
I don't see any problems with remote viewing Jesus Christ.

Because he can't. If he was to say that its possible to build a machine it would be a little more plausible. This is just outright lies or he's crazy.

Paradigm shifts are painful, I understand.
You're probably still missing the times when geocentric model was popular.
That was a real "hard" science unlike the pseudo-scientific-heresy of Copernicus and Galileo Galilei.

In fact I can't remember any established theory in the past which wasn't turned upside down by its successor. So what makes you think that this time is going to be different?

Unlike you I actually took quantum physics in the college for a semester. And brining up Copernicus & Galilei is so ridiculous, they fought against men who talked to and saw their god (Jesus).

LOL.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: MichaelBliss on December 04, 2012, 07:27:44 PM
Not to mention, there is no evidence (outside of theology, heresay, etc) that there ever was any "Jesus".  It's a myth nothing more. It's like "remote viewing" Zeus.   The only thing this proves is that guy is crazy.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: FreeMoney on December 04, 2012, 11:00:10 PM
So... how many fingers am I holding up?

n/m I'm not going to actually hold them up... or am I?


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: jasinlee on December 04, 2012, 11:01:02 PM
Its the Center for Kids Who Don't Read Good.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: BR0KK on December 04, 2012, 11:16:01 PM
Predicting the future is now called remote viewing :/ ?



Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: interlagos on December 05, 2012, 11:12:18 AM
I don't see any problems with remote viewing Jesus Christ.

Because he can't. If he was to say that its possible to build a machine it would be a little more plausible. This is just outright lies or he's crazy.

The machine was built long time ago (google Project Looking Glass).
The problem is that knowledge and technologies like these are kept as secret as possible.
If you're on this forum you should understand that "mainstream" money influence "mainstream" science almost the same way they influence "mainstream" media.
It means ridicule everything that doesn't fit into a programmed belief system.

Paradigm shifts are painful, I understand.
You're probably still missing the times when geocentric model was popular.
That was a real "hard" science unlike the pseudo-scientific-heresy of Copernicus and Galileo Galilei.

In fact I can't remember any established theory in the past which wasn't turned upside down by its successor. So what makes you think that this time is going to be different?

Unlike you I actually took quantum physics in the college for a semester. And brining up Copernicus & Galilei is so ridiculous, they fought against men who talked to and saw their god (Jesus).

LOL.


If you took quantum physics you should already know that there isn't anything solid in reality anyway. it all boils down to probabilities of observing something. At quantum level the existence itself is waving.
But "mainstream" science still doesn't know what causes the alleged collapse of the wave-function, because they still don't understand what the consciousness is.

The explanation given in the presentation doesn't need to deal with the collapse of the wave-function because there isn't any. It only assumes that conscious observer has its own frequency pattern and can form ensembles with other frequency patterns via constructive and destructive interference. It unifies the conscious observer with everything else in the system making an implicit assumption that everything else is also made of consciousness (this wasn't mentioned in the video, just an extrapolation on my part).
There is a saying - you will not perceive what you're not a vibration of - that sum's it up nicely.

Regarding Jesus, it's much more complex story than it seems.
Please keep in mind that the struggle for power and control didn't start a few centuries ago. It's been going on for much longer. The version of the Jesus story that was eventually put in the Bible might only be 20% correct. So there is nothing wrong in attempting to remote view this subject if you have all the tools you need.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: interlagos on December 05, 2012, 11:21:59 AM
This is pseudo science. The guy claims that he remote viewed Jesus Chris! And don't insult quantum physics...


I don't see any problems with remote viewing Jesus Christ.

Paradigm shifts are painful, I understand.
You're probably still missing the times when geocentric model was popular.
That was a real "hard" science unlike the pseudo-scientific-heresy of Copernicus and Galileo Galilei.
Assuming it's possible to remote-view other locations in space, I see no reason why it would not be possible to remote-view other locations in time. After all, Space and time are merely the warp and the weft of the same fabric: Spacetime. Of course, that first assumption is pretty big, and I'd need to see some repeatable experiments to believe it.

Yes, you are correct, space and time are just different facets of the same "crystal" of spacetime.
The study of remote viewing has been going on for at least a few decades and if there weren't any repeatable experiments there wouldn't be much interest. It was started by Ingo Swann and advanced much further by the team of remote-viewers lead by Ed Dames.

Ed Dames is currently involved in a collaborative effort to apply remote viewing to find missing children and their latest iteration of the technique manages to achieve unprecedented accuracy of location in space. Locating an event in time is still much of a problem though.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: Roger_Murdock on December 05, 2012, 11:29:48 AM
How secure is Bitcoin vis-a-vis attempts to remote view someone else's private keys? Is this something the development team is working on?


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: interlagos on December 05, 2012, 11:42:24 AM
How secure is Bitcoin vis-a-vis attempts to remote view someone else's private keys? Is this something the development team is working on?

That's a great question!
I've always wondered this myself.
Even brain-wallet won't help much against remote-viewing "attack" :)

The answer that Ed Dames found when attempting to remote view some russian spy was that there are guardian angels that would prevent any unauthorized access to the information.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQrAG0ZgWe0


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: organofcorti on December 05, 2012, 11:43:48 AM
Is this one of dank's sockies?


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: the_thing on December 05, 2012, 11:48:35 AM
Is this one of dank's sockies?
Doubt it.
Dank's posts are not this long and coherent and usually contain more bullshit per letter.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: interlagos on December 05, 2012, 01:00:40 PM
Predicting the future is now called remote viewing :/ ?


There is no such thing as prediction of the future in the model described in OP because everything that can be already is. It's a matter of perceiving only those "bands" of reality that interact with you via constructive interference and that process solely depends on your frequency pattern.

So the point of this whole realization is that you ultimately determine what reality you observe.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: BR0KK on December 05, 2012, 10:25:23 PM
How secure is Bitcoin vis-a-vis attempts to remote view someone else's private keys? Is this something the development team is working on?

That's a great question!
I've always wondered this myself.
Even brain-wallet won't help much against remote-viewing "attack" :)

The answer that Ed Dames found when attempting to remote view some russian spy was that there are guardian angels that would prevent any unauthorized access to the information.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQrAG0ZgWe0



aahhhhh crop cycles.....angels exist...... dogs that quack like ducks... now i understand 0_o


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: interlagos on December 05, 2012, 10:28:38 PM
How secure is Bitcoin vis-a-vis attempts to remote view someone else's private keys? Is this something the development team is working on?

That's a great question!
I've always wondered this myself.
Even brain-wallet won't help much against remote-viewing "attack" :)

The answer that Ed Dames found when attempting to remote view some russian spy was that there are guardian angels that would prevent any unauthorized access to the information.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQrAG0ZgWe0



aahhhhh crop cycles..... now i understand :)

He talks about relevant stuff at 2:13 :)


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: BR0KK on December 05, 2012, 10:32:54 PM
uhhhh angels again.... spy stuff ...... things we can't describe .... no labels .... all so true ... not discussing with science.....


--> Its getting interesting .... :P



Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: myrkul on December 05, 2012, 10:41:32 PM
--> Its getting interesting .... :P

http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/i-Crvrwd2/0/L/i-Crvrwd2-X3.jpg


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: interlagos on December 05, 2012, 10:44:25 PM
uhhhh angels again.... spy stuff ...... things we can't describe .... no labels .... all so true ... not discussing with science.....

--> Its getting interesting .... :P

I know it sounds a bit non-scientific, but he used the term "angels" only because it was the best representation in our language of phenomenon that he has come across during his research.
He originally called them "outside agencies".

From what I've learned independently "angels" are actually a part of the split that happens when you enter the physical reality. So the "angles" are actually a part of bigger YOU.
Your immediately aware consciousness is just a tip of the iceberg, there are other parts.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: yogi on December 05, 2012, 11:08:46 PM
The concept of remote viewing was created by the U.S. military and was used as a form of information laundering for intelligence that was gathered by the early secret spy satellites.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: organofcorti on December 05, 2012, 11:10:52 PM
I'll be far more interested in this if:
a) He performs, under controlled conditions, an actual experiment that confirms his theory.
b) His results are independently confirmed by other researchers.

Until then, this is not science. It's just one man's imagination, aided by a partial knowledge of quantum mechanics.

OTOH if he's able to perform an experiment successfully (under controlled conditions) the results of which cannot be explained by other known phenomena and especially if other researchers can duplicate his results, then I'll change my mind.



Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: bb113 on December 05, 2012, 11:15:25 PM
I'll be far more interested in this if:
a) He performs, under controlled conditions, an actual experiment that confirms his theory.
b) His results are independently confirmed by other researchers.

Until then, this is not science. It's just one man's imagination, aided by a partial knowledge of quantum mechanics.

OTOH if he's able to perform an experiment successfully (under controlled conditions) the results of which cannot be explained by other known phenomena and especially if other researchers can duplicate his results, then I'll change my mind.



LOL, as I've been ranting elsewhere, almost no modern "science" meets this definition. Whens the last time you saw an experiment actually try to confirm a theory rather than disprove a strawman null hypothesis?


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: interlagos on December 05, 2012, 11:18:55 PM
I'll be far more interested in this if:
a) He performs, under controlled conditions, an actual experiment that confirms his theory.
b) His results are independently confirmed by other researchers.

Until then, this is not science. It's just one man's imagination, aided by a partial knowledge of quantum mechanics.

OTOH if he's able to perform an experiment successfully (under controlled conditions) the results of which cannot be explained by other known phenomena and especially if other researchers can duplicate his results, then I'll change my mind.

If you watch some of his other videos he invites everybody to review the data and duplicate the experiment.
He is definitely not alone and not the first one to perform remote viewing.

In fact even a "single" remote viewing experiment consists of multiple sessions performed by several individuals and each session is given a weight based on the clarity of the results.
The overall outcome of the experiment is determined as success only if enough sessions independently demonstrate the same result. So it sounds like scientific method to me.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: bb113 on December 05, 2012, 11:20:54 PM
I'll be far more interested in this if:
a) He performs, under controlled conditions, an actual experiment that confirms his theory.
b) His results are independently confirmed by other researchers.

Until then, this is not science. It's just one man's imagination, aided by a partial knowledge of quantum mechanics.

OTOH if he's able to perform an experiment successfully (under controlled conditions) the results of which cannot be explained by other known phenomena and especially if other researchers can duplicate his results, then I'll change my mind.

If you watch some of his other videos he invites everybody to review the data and duplicate the experiment.
He is definitely not alone and not the first one to perform remote viewing.

In fact even a "single" remote viewing experiment consists of multiple sessions performed by several individuals and each session is given a weight based on the clarity of the results.
The overall outcome of the experiment is determined as success only if enough sessions independently demonstrate the same result. So it sounds like scientific method to me.

How is the success of a result measured?


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: organofcorti on December 05, 2012, 11:30:59 PM
I'll be far more interested in this if:
a) He performs, under controlled conditions, an actual experiment that confirms his theory.
b) His results are independently confirmed by other researchers.

Until then, this is not science. It's just one man's imagination, aided by a partial knowledge of quantum mechanics.

OTOH if he's able to perform an experiment successfully (under controlled conditions) the results of which cannot be explained by other known phenomena and especially if other researchers can duplicate his results, then I'll change my mind.

If you watch some of his other videos he invites everybody to review the data and duplicate the experiment.
He is definitely not alone and not the first one to perform remote viewing.

In fact even a "single" remote viewing experiment consists of multiple sessions performed by several individuals and each session is given a weight based on the clarity of the results.
The overall outcome of the experiment is determined as success only if enough sessions independently demonstrate the same result. So it sounds like scientific method to me.

Assuming he's not a charlatan, his (and others') results are valid only if adequate controls are in place. In almost all papers I've read that have attempted to prove something that would completely rewrite known science, there is some variable that's not being controlled. A good recent example is the FTL neutrino claim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light_neutrino_anomaly).


How is the success of a result measured?

That, too.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: interlagos on December 05, 2012, 11:36:18 PM
I'll be far more interested in this if:
a) He performs, under controlled conditions, an actual experiment that confirms his theory.
b) His results are independently confirmed by other researchers.

Until then, this is not science. It's just one man's imagination, aided by a partial knowledge of quantum mechanics.

OTOH if he's able to perform an experiment successfully (under controlled conditions) the results of which cannot be explained by other known phenomena and especially if other researchers can duplicate his results, then I'll change my mind.

If you watch some of his other videos he invites everybody to review the data and duplicate the experiment.
He is definitely not alone and not the first one to perform remote viewing.

In fact even a "single" remote viewing experiment consists of multiple sessions performed by several individuals and each session is given a weight based on the clarity of the results.
The overall outcome of the experiment is determined as success only if enough sessions independently demonstrate the same result. So it sounds like scientific method to me.

How is the success of a result measured?

The procedures are quite rigid, they determine the properties of the target in a binary format (yes/no).
For example, is target man-made or natural? Is it solid or liquid/gas? and so on.

So if enough number of independent sessions converge to the same results, the experiment is considered successful.

You can watch this video as an example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWkr7pOWQZ0


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: interlagos on December 05, 2012, 11:37:38 PM
I'll be far more interested in this if:
a) He performs, under controlled conditions, an actual experiment that confirms his theory.
b) His results are independently confirmed by other researchers.

Until then, this is not science. It's just one man's imagination, aided by a partial knowledge of quantum mechanics.

OTOH if he's able to perform an experiment successfully (under controlled conditions) the results of which cannot be explained by other known phenomena and especially if other researchers can duplicate his results, then I'll change my mind.

If you watch some of his other videos he invites everybody to review the data and duplicate the experiment.
He is definitely not alone and not the first one to perform remote viewing.

In fact even a "single" remote viewing experiment consists of multiple sessions performed by several individuals and each session is given a weight based on the clarity of the results.
The overall outcome of the experiment is determined as success only if enough sessions independently demonstrate the same result. So it sounds like scientific method to me.

Assuming he's not a charlatan, his (and others') results are valid only if adequate controls are in place. In almost all papers I've read that have attempted to prove something that would completely rewrite known science, there is some variable that's not being controlled. A good recent example is the FTL neutrino claim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light_neutrino_anomaly).


It's not about rewriting the current science.
It's more about resolving something that current science doesn't have an answer for.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: myrkul on December 05, 2012, 11:45:13 PM
The procedures are quite rigid, they determine the properties of the target in a binary format (yes/no).
For example, is target man-made or natural? Is it solid or liquid/gas? and so on.

So, they use this?

http://delhi4cats.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/20q.jpg


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: interlagos on December 05, 2012, 11:46:37 PM
The procedures are quite rigid, they determine the properties of the target in a binary format (yes/no).
For example, is target man-made or natural? Is it solid or liquid/gas? and so on.

So, they use this?

http://delhi4cats.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/20q.jpg

They use a naturally grown one, which is your body ;)


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: myrkul on December 05, 2012, 11:49:07 PM
They use a naturally grown one, which is your body ;)

I see. So, these "studies" are just basically games of 20 questions. Gotcha.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: bb113 on December 05, 2012, 11:52:49 PM
I'll be far more interested in this if:
a) He performs, under controlled conditions, an actual experiment that confirms his theory.
b) His results are independently confirmed by other researchers.

Until then, this is not science. It's just one man's imagination, aided by a partial knowledge of quantum mechanics.

OTOH if he's able to perform an experiment successfully (under controlled conditions) the results of which cannot be explained by other known phenomena and especially if other researchers can duplicate his results, then I'll change my mind.

If you watch some of his other videos he invites everybody to review the data and duplicate the experiment.
He is definitely not alone and not the first one to perform remote viewing.

In fact even a "single" remote viewing experiment consists of multiple sessions performed by several individuals and each session is given a weight based on the clarity of the results.
The overall outcome of the experiment is determined as success only if enough sessions independently demonstrate the same result. So it sounds like scientific method to me.

How is the success of a result measured?

The procedures are quite rigid, they determine the properties of the target in a binary format (yes/no).
For example, is target man-made or natural? Is it solid or liquid/gas? and so on.

So if enough number of independent sessions converge to the same results, the experiment is considered successful.

You can watch this video as an example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWkr7pOWQZ0


Their evidence is people agreeing with each other. Is there literature of some sort (not a book) that I can see.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: interlagos on December 06, 2012, 12:11:39 AM
They use a naturally grown one, which is your body ;)

I see. So, these "studies" are just basically games of 20 questions. Gotcha.

The procedures are quite rigid, they determine the properties of the target in a binary format (yes/no).
For example, is target man-made or natural? Is it solid or liquid/gas? and so on.

So if enough number of independent sessions converge to the same results, the experiment is considered successful.

You can watch this video as an example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWkr7pOWQZ0

Their evidence is people agreeing with each other. Is there literature of some sort (not a book) that I can see.

No, the evidence is that the converging result of the sessions matches the target in case if it's physically accessible after the fact. And of course you want to train yourself and demonstrate results on "easy" targets first.

I mostly gathered what I know from videos, so I cannot recommend any literature at the moment.
Will post later if I find something interesting.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: Roger_Murdock on December 06, 2012, 01:11:46 AM
The video implies some knowledge of quantum physics and some understanding of wave-functions, but the concepts explained in the presentation itself are quite easy to grasp.
Here is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm5L8z34sNg

Clicking on the link is cheating. I recommend remotely-viewing the video. It's excellent! But a word of warning: it is DEFINITELY not safe for work - there is a surprising amount of nudity (although it's never gratuitous and always advances the narrative).   Oh, and Jennifer Lawrence does a great job as narrator. ;)


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: organofcorti on December 06, 2012, 01:42:10 AM
No, the evidence is that the converging result of the sessions matches the target in case if it's physically accessible after the fact. And of course you want to train yourself and demonstrate results on "easy" targets first.

I mostly gathered what I know from videos, so I cannot recommend any literature at the moment.
Will post later if I find something interesting.

A keen enquiring mind is a good thing to have. However, keep in mind that converging results in experiments are only as strong as the experiment itself. If variables are not controlled for, you can end up with a false positive (or negative) result. This has occurred in every experiment I know in psychic abilities the had a positive result.

My guess is there is some such variable or some misunderstanding of statistics occurring here. I could be wrong so I look forward to your next posts on the subject.



Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: saddambitcoin on December 06, 2012, 03:30:56 AM
I'll be far more interested in this if:
a) He performs, under controlled conditions, an actual experiment that confirms his theory.
b) His results are independently confirmed by other researchers.

Until then, this is not science. It's just one man's imagination, aided by a partial knowledge of quantum mechanics.

OTOH if he's able to perform an experiment successfully (under controlled conditions) the results of which cannot be explained by other known phenomena and especially if other researchers can duplicate his results, then I'll change my mind.



I haven't watched this video but you should know that Controlled Remote Viewing has been confirmed in environments by Ingo Swann and others at the Stanford Research Institute during the 1970s if i recall correctly.

edit:  just read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingo_Swann


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: organofcorti on December 06, 2012, 04:30:00 AM
I'll be far more interested in this if:
a) He performs, under controlled conditions, an actual experiment that confirms his theory.
b) His results are independently confirmed by other researchers.

Until then, this is not science. It's just one man's imagination, aided by a partial knowledge of quantum mechanics.

OTOH if he's able to perform an experiment successfully (under controlled conditions) the results of which cannot be explained by other known phenomena and especially if other researchers can duplicate his results, then I'll change my mind.



I haven't watched this video but you should know that Controlled Remote Viewing has been confirmed in environments by Ingo Swann and others at the Stanford Research Institute during the 1970s if i recall correctly.

edit:  just read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingo_Swann


Yeah, but nah. It doesn't sound like an experiment to me:
Quote
Remote Viewing

If someone could alter the field simply by looking at it, that would come even closer to the premise that each of us is imbedded in the field. An intriguing proof of this was provided by a machine built by physicists at Stanford called a SQUID, or superconducting quantum interference device. It’s enough for us to know that this device, which measures the possible activity of subatomic particles, specifically quarks, is very well shielded from all outside magnetic forces. This shielding begins with layers of copper and aluminum, but to insure that no outside force can affect the mechanism, exotic metals like niobium and “mu metal” wrap the inner core.

In 1972 a SQUID was installed in the basement of a laboratory at Stanford, apparently doing nothing except tracing out the same hill-and-valley S-curve on a length of graph paper. This curve represented the constant magnetic field of the earth; if a quark passed through the field the machine would register it by changes in the pattern being drawn. A young laser physicist named Hal Puthoff (later to become a noted quantum theorist) decided that aside from its main use, the SQUID would make a perfect test of psychic powers. Very few people, including the scientists at Sanford, knew the exact inner construction of the machine.

A letter Puthoff wrote in search of a psychic who would take up the challenge was responded to by Ingo Swann, a New York artist with psychic abilities. Swann was flown to California without being told in advance about either the test or the SQUID. When he first saw it, he seemed a bit distracted and baffled. But he agree to “look” inside the machine, and as he did, the S-curve on the graph paper changed pattern — something it almost never did — only to go back to its normal functioning as soon as Swann stopped paying attention to it.

A startled Puthoff asked him to repeat this, so for 45 seconds Swann concentrated upon seeing the inside of the machine, and for exactly that interval the recoding device drew a new pattern, a long plateau on the paper instead of hills and valleys. Swann then drew a sketch of what he saw as the inner workings of the SQUID, and when these were checked with an expert, they perfectly matched the actual construction. Swann was vague about whether he had changed the magnetic input that the machine was built to measure; he offered that he thought he was affecting its niobium core. But it also turned out that if he merely thought about the SQUID, not trying to change it at all, the recording device showed alterations in the surrounding magnetic field. In the years since 1972, many other experiments in remote viewing have successfully taken place.

http://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/the-great-afterlife-debate/

The above is not an experiment. There was no aim, no replication, no determination of extraneous variables. Just a scientist and a psychic artist futzing with a machine that at least one of them didn't understand.



Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: saddambitcoin on December 06, 2012, 05:03:04 AM
I'll be far more interested in this if:
a) He performs, under controlled conditions, an actual experiment that confirms his theory.
b) His results are independently confirmed by other researchers.

Until then, this is not science. It's just one man's imagination, aided by a partial knowledge of quantum mechanics.

OTOH if he's able to perform an experiment successfully (under controlled conditions) the results of which cannot be explained by other known phenomena and especially if other researchers can duplicate his results, then I'll change my mind.



I haven't watched this video but you should know that Controlled Remote Viewing has been confirmed in environments by Ingo Swann and others at the Stanford Research Institute during the 1970s if i recall correctly.

edit:  just read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingo_Swann


Yeah, but nah. It doesn't sound like an experiment to me:
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Remote Viewing

If someone could alter the field simply by looking at it, that would come even closer to the premise that each of us is imbedded in the field. An intriguing proof of this was provided by a machine built by physicists at Stanford called a SQUID, or superconducting quantum interference device. It’s enough for us to know that this device, which measures the possible activity of subatomic particles, specifically quarks, is very well shielded from all outside magnetic forces. This shielding begins with layers of copper and aluminum, but to insure that no outside force can affect the mechanism, exotic metals like niobium and “mu metal” wrap the inner core.

In 1972 a SQUID was installed in the basement of a laboratory at Stanford, apparently doing nothing except tracing out the same hill-and-valley S-curve on a length of graph paper. This curve represented the constant magnetic field of the earth; if a quark passed through the field the machine would register it by changes in the pattern being drawn. A young laser physicist named Hal Puthoff (later to become a noted quantum theorist) decided that aside from its main use, the SQUID would make a perfect test of psychic powers. Very few people, including the scientists at Sanford, knew the exact inner construction of the machine.

A letter Puthoff wrote in search of a psychic who would take up the challenge was responded to by Ingo Swann, a New York artist with psychic abilities. Swann was flown to California without being told in advance about either the test or the SQUID. When he first saw it, he seemed a bit distracted and baffled. But he agree to “look” inside the machine, and as he did, the S-curve on the graph paper changed pattern — something it almost never did — only to go back to its normal functioning as soon as Swann stopped paying attention to it.

A startled Puthoff asked him to repeat this, so for 45 seconds Swann concentrated upon seeing the inside of the machine, and for exactly that interval the recoding device drew a new pattern, a long plateau on the paper instead of hills and valleys. Swann then drew a sketch of what he saw as the inner workings of the SQUID, and when these were checked with an expert, they perfectly matched the actual construction. Swann was vague about whether he had changed the magnetic input that the machine was built to measure; he offered that he thought he was affecting its niobium core. But it also turned out that if he merely thought about the SQUID, not trying to change it at all, the recording device showed alterations in the surrounding magnetic field. In the years since 1972, many other experiments in remote viewing have successfully taken place.

http://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/the-great-afterlife-debate/

The above is not an experiment. There was no aim, no replication, no determination of extraneous variables. Just a scientist and a psychic artist futzing with a machine that at least one of them didn't understand.



and with time they developed a protocol for Controlled Remote Viewing that was used by the military for training...idk i don't really give a fuck if you believe it or not i'm just trying to help you


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: BR0KK on December 06, 2012, 06:24:08 AM
I'll be far more interested in this if:
a) He performs, under controlled conditions, an actual experiment that confirms his theory.
b) His results are independently confirmed by other researchers.

Until then, this is not science. It's just one man's imagination, aided by a partial knowledge of quantum mechanics.

OTOH if he's able to perform an experiment successfully (under controlled conditions) the results of which cannot be explained by other known phenomena and especially if other researchers can duplicate his results, then I'll change my mind.

If you watch some of his other videos he invites everybody to review the data and duplicate the experiment.
He is definitely not alone and not the first one to perform remote viewing.

In fact even a "single" remote viewing experiment consists of multiple sessions performed by several individuals and each session is given a weight based on the clarity of the results.
The overall outcome of the experiment is determined as success only if enough sessions independently demonstrate the same result. So it sounds like scientific method to me.

nope he's explicitly excluding all major sciences. Cause its toooo "new age" to discus wuff .. quack quack.....

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It's not about rewriting the current science.
It's more about resolving something that current science doesn't have an answer for.

Ohhhh suddenly someone claims to have the answer to everything and anything.... Stop all acknowledged sience efforts.... he's serious so he must have a point .... lets head that way.... And don't forget your torches, pickaxes and pitchforks !

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You can watch this video as an example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWkr7pOWQZ0

life on mars ... ..... secret war weapons in irak .. oh.... they an be false sometime but letz get in there anyway cause were 'mericanns are always true.... energy on mars .... artificial structures .... pictures of the inside ot that structure....  Black military projects..... flights that i personally don't know jack about it must be some sort of secret black mars mission..... Why isn't anybody telling me anything :( ima a proper scientist ;:::(


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: hashman on December 06, 2012, 09:53:48 AM

and with time they developed a protocol for Controlled Remote Viewing that was used by the military for training...

I like to keep an open mind but this leads me to believe it's totally bogus like most other military spending. 


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: interlagos on December 06, 2012, 05:52:45 PM
No, the evidence is that the converging result of the sessions matches the target in case if it's physically accessible after the fact. And of course you want to train yourself and demonstrate results on "easy" targets first.

I mostly gathered what I know from videos, so I cannot recommend any literature at the moment.
Will post later if I find something interesting.

A keen enquiring mind is a good thing to have. However, keep in mind that converging results in experiments are only as strong as the experiment itself. If variables are not controlled for, you can end up with a false positive (or negative) result. This has occurred in every experiment I know in psychic abilities the had a positive result.

My guess is there is some such variable or some misunderstanding of statistics occurring here. I could be wrong so I look forward to your next posts on the subject.

Please keep in mind that consciousness is the last frontier not fully grasped by science, partly because consciousness is what created science in the first place, funny huh? :)

You cannot prove to anyone that you have consciousness and likewise nobody can prove to you that they have consciousness, so relaxing some expectations about hard evidence might be a good start to tackle this question. The only thing that you can really prove is that you have an experience and you can only prove it to yourself, the rest is just a speculation. Remote viewing is a phenomenon closely related to consciousness so studying it might require new methods and new agreements on what is considered as evidence.

I would recommend this video first:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d4ugppcRUE

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life on mars ... ..... secret war weapons in irak .. oh.... they an be false sometime but letz get in there anyway cause were 'mericanns are always true.... energy on mars .... artificial structures .... pictures of the inside ot that structure....  Black military projects..... flights that i personally don't know jack about it must be some sort of secret black mars mission..... Why isn't anybody telling me anything :( ima a proper scientist ;:::(

I know how it sounds and I would gladly join you in ridiculing of what has been said to fully share your joy, but knowing what I know I can't. :)

The video implies some knowledge of quantum physics and some understanding of wave-functions, but the concepts explained in the presentation itself are quite easy to grasp.
Here is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm5L8z34sNg

Clicking on the link is cheating. I recommend remotely-viewing the video. It's excellent! But a word of warning: it is DEFINITELY not safe for work - there is a surprising amount of nudity (although it's never gratuitous and always advances the narrative).   Oh, and Jennifer Lawrence does a great job as narrator. ;)

:D LOLOL

I'll be far more interested in this if:
a) He performs, under controlled conditions, an actual experiment that confirms his theory.
b) His results are independently confirmed by other researchers.

Until then, this is not science. It's just one man's imagination, aided by a partial knowledge of quantum mechanics.

OTOH if he's able to perform an experiment successfully (under controlled conditions) the results of which cannot be explained by other known phenomena and especially if other researchers can duplicate his results, then I'll change my mind.


I haven't watched this video but you should know that Controlled Remote Viewing has been confirmed in environments by Ingo Swann and others at the Stanford Research Institute during the 1970s if i recall correctly.

edit:  just read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingo_Swann

+1


and with time they developed a protocol for Controlled Remote Viewing that was used by the military for training...

I like to keep an open mind but this leads me to believe it's totally bogus like most other military spending. 

There is other evidence of non-locality of consciousness which is not explained by today's science, which very well fits into the new model that is being proposed.

For example, the research into influence of people's emotions on water conducted by Dr. Masaru Emoto from Tokyo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAvzsjcBtx8
or similar research into water memory by an institute in Stuttgart:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILSyt_Hhbjg


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: BR0KK on December 06, 2012, 08:59:11 PM
It has a Wiki Page so it must be right ...



Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: interlagos on December 08, 2012, 12:03:58 PM
It has a Wiki Page so it must be right ...



What is your source of the "truth"?
Watching TV? Reading glossy paper magazines?
If a glossy paper magazine says that a group of highly-respected,
well-known scientists discovered the "truth", would you just accept it?
Wouldn't it concern you that they all get paid with that very paper money we've all learned to distrust?


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: organofcorti on December 08, 2012, 12:31:01 PM
It has a Wiki Page so it must be right ...



What is your source of the "truth"?
Watching TV? Reading glossy paper magazines?
If a glossy paper magazine says that a group of highly-respected,
well-known scientists discovered the "truth", would you just accept it?
Wouldn't it concern you that they all get paid with that very paper money we've all learned to distrust?

Honestly, and I'm not trying to pick a fight, but that's the pot calling the kettle black. Have you performed the experiments you mentioned? As far as I can tell, you're taking the word of a less respected poorly paid scientist. Is that your definition of "truth"?

I preferred it when you were posting some interesting (although in my opinion likely highly flawed) experimental results. Please leave out the strawman arguments and ad hominem attacks. You know BR0KK was just baiting you, right?




Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: interlagos on December 08, 2012, 06:32:04 PM
It has a Wiki Page so it must be right ...



What is your source of the "truth"?
Watching TV? Reading glossy paper magazines?
If a glossy paper magazine says that a group of highly-respected,
well-known scientists discovered the "truth", would you just accept it?
Wouldn't it concern you that they all get paid with that very paper money we've all learned to distrust?

Honestly, and I'm not trying to pick a fight, but that's the pot calling the kettle black. Have you performed the experiments you mentioned? As far as I can tell, you're taking the word of a less respected poorly paid scientist. Is that your definition of "truth"?

I preferred it when you were posting some interesting (although in my opinion likely highly flawed) experimental results. Please leave out the strawman arguments and ad hominem attacks. You know BR0KK was just baiting you, right?


I'm sorry I have disappointed you.
I was just politely asking what people would consider a reliable source of the "truth".
What makes you think I wasn't baiting BR0KK? Oh, I know I forgot the smiley :), my bad.

I can explain the method that works for me and I'm not expecting it would work for everyone due to the difference in conditions. My method is to connect to as many sources of information as possible and to listen to as much of what people say and see what pieces of information start to form into a meaningful patterns and see what sources those pieces are coming from thus giving them more weight. The information that doesn't fit into any pattern just stays in the memory until it does or eventually gets discarded as irrelevant.

This method requires a lot of time and motivation to process information and a lot of memory to work with it to search for patterns. I have a privilege to have both: a lot of time and a very good memory, so I can't possibly expect others to follow my method and I don't blame them. But I'm not being a coward and keep everything that I have figured to myself, instead I came to this forum to share what I know.



Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: saddambitcoin on December 09, 2012, 12:57:23 AM
anyone else here tried hemisync?


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: interlagos on December 09, 2012, 01:33:11 PM
As far as I can tell, you're taking the word of a less respected poorly paid scientist. Is that your definition of "truth"?

The Farsight Institute is a non-profit organization, so there is no reason to reduce the weight of this source of information as any less independent than any other.
I took the word "truth" in quotes every time I mentioned it, because what we call truth is not the final destination. It's a process, a running state so to speak. Something stays true until it is replaced with more advanced version of what is true, and the secret is that there is no final destination.

As all versions of reality already exist simultaneously, that what you define true for you would alter your frequency pattern in a such a way that you would gravitate towards a version of reality where what you believe is true is actually true. Don't be fooled though, changing your core belief systems is much harder than changing your thought patterns or immediate desires, but that would be a good start. Think of yourself as very complex and very powerful gyroscope which is very hard to knock off the axis, but it's not impossible if you're willing to relax some of what you believe is true.

I preferred it when you were posting some interesting (although in my opinion likely highly flawed) experimental results.

While still highly controversial and not accepted by many ordinary people as anything even remotely close to being true, I would recommend you read the story of John Titor, where he confirms that Everett-Wheeler-Graham or "many worlds" interpretation of quantum mechanics is correct and that time travel is possible even though it's not quite what we think it is.
http://yesalover.wordpress.com/2008/11/13/the-original-post-of-john-titor/

While not knowing anything about the validity of the source above you should be able to see how the information presented there forms a meaningful pattern with those pieces of information that have already been presented in this thread. Regardless of what you will be willing to make out of this, I can add from myself that reading that story was at least entertaining.

anyone else here tried hemisync?

Provided that brain is a receiver of consciousness as opposed to a common belief of it being a generator of some sort, it comes as no surprise that subjecting your brain to different vibratory sources might alter and enhance its ability to receive those frequency bands of reality that would otherwise be insensible to it.

Going as deep as gamma state might even allow one to tap into a so called akashic fabric that contains total information of the holographic structure of existence (video below at 0:20).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmHH5-9cn5E
I don't expect anything of this to make any sense to many of you, but it's always a matter of making a first step for those who are willing to learn, so by not sharing this information I would have achieved nothing.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: interlagos on December 11, 2012, 09:55:07 AM
Here is another shred of evidence on the topic, let's see if somebody manages to find any overlap with the video in OP and the video in my previous post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlvjKaGEnas
Oh, and it has the word NASA written there somewhere, so it must be true  ;D


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: BR0KK on December 11, 2012, 10:18:20 AM
Awwww water that can talk to each other .... so cute:P

So if i musicanize my water with some dark heavy metal  i could probably kill someone with negative impact ?
 


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: organofcorti on December 11, 2012, 10:31:54 AM
Awwww water that can talk to each other .... so cute:P

So if i musicanize my water with some dark heavy metal  i could probably kill someone with negative impact ?
 

No, you'll kill them with heavy metal toxicity. (http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/814960-overview)


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: BR0KK on December 11, 2012, 01:16:17 PM
Awwww water that can talk to each other .... so cute:P

So if i musicanize my water with some dark heavy metal  i could probably kill someone with negative impact ?
 

No, you'll kill them with heavy metal toxicity. (http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/814960-overview)

oh jes thats what i meant!


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: organofcorti on December 11, 2012, 01:55:04 PM
Awwww water that can talk to each other .... so cute:P

So if i musicanize my water with some dark heavy metal  i could probably kill someone with negative impact ?
  

No, you'll kill them with heavy metal toxicity. (http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/814960-overview)

oh jes thats what i meant!

Or you could kill them with heavy metal poisoning (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWe1T5OdfrQ), which might be much worse.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: BR0KK on December 11, 2012, 03:14:33 PM
this thing that OP described (posted) runs pretty deep :) .... What will we discover next ????


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: interlagos on December 12, 2012, 12:05:37 PM
this thing that OP described (posted) runs pretty deep :) .... What will we discover next ????

It does indeed run very deep, to the core of it... :)

A few more remarks on the water theme. Below is a 50 minute video documentary about unusual properties of water from 2005, where you will find that despite numerous evidence and research done on this topic all around the world there is one glossy paper magazine that established itself as a centralized body for official scientific opinion on the matter. Even though the editor-in-chief mentioned in the end that he welcomed further research of water to continue to look like a good guy, none of what has been discovered has been actually published. It hints at a deeper agenda for mainstream science to keep certain things under wraps so that general public remains uncompetitive in this area, relying on older technologies and therefore being easier to control. You might want to extrapolate this example on other areas as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJhogR7YLps

But there is good news! If you haven't noticed yet, last Saturday on December 08 russian prime minister followed the case of australian prime minister and officially confirmed presence of extra-terrestrial intelligence on Earth. What makes this story relevant to the discussion at hand is that he mentioned very popular movie Men In Black as being chronicle documentary, and if you've watched the third movie in the series you will find a lot of overlap with the John Titor story I posted a few days back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE_iUW0Jv3k
Pay attention to his facial emotional expressions to determine if he believes what he is saying is true.
These events are just the beginning of a much larger and long anticipated Disclosure initiative, so keep an eye on further developments of this story.

PS: "Men In Black 3" movie below
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1409024/



Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: organofcorti on December 12, 2012, 12:28:42 PM
last Saturday on December 08 russian prime minister followed the case of australian prime minister and officially confirmed presence of extra-terrestrial intelligence on Earth.

What do you mean? The Australian Prime Minister has never discussed openly in public or anywhere in the public record Australia's capture of extra terrestrials and use of them in experimental labs.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: interlagos on December 12, 2012, 02:15:35 PM
last Saturday on December 08 russian prime minister followed the case of australian prime minister and officially confirmed presence of extra-terrestrial intelligence on Earth.

What do you mean? The Australian Prime Minister has never discussed openly in public or anywhere in the public record Australia's capture of extra terrestrials and use of them in experimental labs.

I think the article where I picked it up was talking about this:
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/411942/20121206/pm-julia-gillard-confirms-2012-mayan-calendar.htm#.UMiOkR2HOPK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ebtj3gDaE64
Yes, not exactly about extra-terrestrials, but rather about extra-dimensionals, which are all forms of consciousness anyway :)

Please note that you don't have to accept what she is saying as true, as she might be inviting you to a version of reality that those who are behind her speech prefer. The reason for this is that certain entities which are normally invisible to a human eye have developed capability to tap into energy within frequency domain representative of the emotion of fear. More about it you can learn from the popular cartoon Monsters Inc.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: organofcorti on December 12, 2012, 08:28:14 PM
last Saturday on December 08 russian prime minister followed the case of australian prime minister and officially confirmed presence of extra-terrestrial intelligence on Earth.

What do you mean? The Australian Prime Minister has never discussed openly in public or anywhere in the public record Australia's capture of extra terrestrials and use of them in experimental labs.

I think the article where I picked it up was talking about this:
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/411942/20121206/pm-julia-gillard-confirms-2012-mayan-calendar.htm#.UMiOkR2HOPK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ebtj3gDaE64
Yes, not exactly about extra-terrestrials, but rather about extra-dimensionals, which are all forms of consciousness anyway :)


Interlagos, you know that's a piss take, right? It was meant to be funny, not taken at face value.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: myrkul on December 12, 2012, 09:00:00 PM
last Saturday on December 08 russian prime minister followed the case of australian prime minister and officially confirmed presence of extra-terrestrial intelligence on Earth.

What do you mean? The Australian Prime Minister has never discussed openly in public or anywhere in the public record Australia's capture of extra terrestrials and use of them in experimental labs.

I think the article where I picked it up was talking about this:
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/411942/20121206/pm-julia-gillard-confirms-2012-mayan-calendar.htm#.UMiOkR2HOPK
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ebtj3gDaE64
Yes, not exactly about extra-terrestrials, but rather about extra-dimensionals, which are all forms of consciousness anyway :)


Interlagos, you know that's a piss take, right? It was meant to be funny, not taken at face value.
His bullshit filters are OFF. He has opened his mind so far that everything just wanders right on in. Everything will be taken at face value.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: organofcorti on December 12, 2012, 09:57:25 PM
His bullshit filters are OFF. He has opened his mind so far that everything just wanders right on in. Everything will be taken at face value.

I'm glad. I thought he actually knew something, and I was worried that if people took Gillard at her word about the [REDACTED] there'd be a public uproar and I might lose my job at the [REDACTED] section of [REDACTED].


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: bb113 on December 12, 2012, 10:45:15 PM
I think the primary thing people forget is how much easier it is to be wrong than right.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: myrkul on December 12, 2012, 11:01:16 PM
I think the primary thing people forget is how much easier it is to be wrong than right.
True dat.

Do you have any idea how hard it is on me, being right all the time? ;)


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: interlagos on December 14, 2012, 01:09:18 PM
...
Interlagos, you know that's a piss take, right? It was meant to be funny, not taken at face value.

Off course that was a joke, and it was a joke on my part as well ;D
But getting too emotional about information might severely damage your ability to look for patterns.

Everything is information (jokes are not excluded) and the Universe doesn't do meaningless things.
So, if you find yourself incapable/unwilling to make immediate sense of the information you receive it might be that the pattern is too complex for you to swallow or you might need to take a break ;)

Also one more hint for you "apprentice truth-seekers" :)
Once the pattern is recognized it becomes much easier to remember just the pattern but not the information you derived it from, thus freeing memory for new information to come in. If the pattern was valid it will be reinforced again and again over time with the new information you receive.

PS:
I will be away from the Internet for the next 3 weeks, so feel free to continue to entertain yourself and keep this thread alive if you wish.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: shep on December 14, 2012, 07:40:10 PM
If I stick my biological tuning fork in a light socket will it change my frequency?


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: BR0KK on December 15, 2012, 02:24:47 AM
If I stick my biological tuning fork in a light socket will it change my frequency?

tried that .... it hurts but now i see much more clearly that .... ill finetune myself a bit now ....frzzzz


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Everything is information (jokes are not excluded) and the Universe doesn't do meaningless things.
Everything becomes meaningful because u give the Information meaning.... that doesn't imply that everything happens for a reason.... The universe does a lot meaningless things :/
 


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: interlagos on December 15, 2012, 05:30:04 AM
Quote
Everything is information (jokes are not excluded) and the Universe doesn't do meaningless things.
Everything becomes meaningful because u give the Information meaning.... that doesn't imply that everything happens for a reason.... The universe does a lot meaningless things :/
Yes, all situations are in a sense neutral, the meaning you assign to it will determine the effect you get out of it. But everything happens for a reason and you will learn to trust it with that ;)


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: bb113 on December 15, 2012, 07:17:31 AM
You say alot of vaguely insightful things, as do the various youtube videos you keep posting rather than in depth evidence... However, the important thing is to actually do something useful for others. I mean actually useful not just they interpreted in such and such way and it is useful. Pretty much any non status quo idea can only help people on that front whether BS or not.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: interlagos on December 15, 2012, 07:25:01 AM
You say alot of vaguely insightful things, as do the various youtube videos you keep posting rather than in depth evidence... However, the important thing is to actually do something useful for others. I mean actually useful not just they interpreted in such and such way and it is useful. Pretty much any non status quo idea can only help people on that front whether BS or not.

I only say what needs to be said and only do what needs to be done! ;)


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: bb113 on December 15, 2012, 07:27:16 AM
You say alot of vaguely insightful things, as do the various youtube videos you keep posting rather than in depth evidence... However, the important thing is to actually do something useful for others. I mean actually useful not just they interpreted in such and such way and it is useful. Pretty much any non status quo idea can only help people on that front whether BS or not.

I only say what needs to be said and only do what needs to be done! ;)


I guess you're doing your part then. I meant to imply opportunity cost tho.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: spndr7 on December 17, 2012, 05:42:44 PM

If you took quantum physics you should already know that there isn't anything solid in reality anyway. it all boils down to probabilities of observing something. At quantum level the existence itself is waving.
But "mainstream" science still doesn't know what causes the alleged collapse of the wave-function, because they still don't understand what the consciousness is.

The explanation given in the presentation doesn't need to deal with the collapse of the wave-function because there isn't any. It only assumes that conscious observer has its own frequency pattern and can form ensembles with other frequency patterns via constructive and destructive interference. It unifies the conscious observer with everything else in the system making an implicit assumption that everything else is also made of consciousness (this wasn't mentioned in the video, just an extrapolation on my part).
There is a saying - you will not perceive what you're not a vibration of - that sum's it up nicely.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMqtiFX_IQQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMqtiFX_IQQ)

This video is about the famous double slit experiment,that supports your point,its pure acceptable science  :)

Nobody have been able to find how and why the presence of an observer affects a physical phenomenon. Many spiritual things can be derived from this like "Reality exists due to observer".

Some Relevant history from Wiki
Another thing worth mentioning here, about collapse of wave-function of a particle, to a single point, on being observed.This problem can be best illustrated by the famous cat experiment of Schrodinger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat). It was interpreted by Everett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Everett_III) by many worlds theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation) in 1957.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: bb113 on December 18, 2012, 12:07:08 AM

If you took quantum physics you should already know that there isn't anything solid in reality anyway. it all boils down to probabilities of observing something. At quantum level the existence itself is waving.
But "mainstream" science still doesn't know what causes the alleged collapse of the wave-function, because they still don't understand what the consciousness is.

The explanation given in the presentation doesn't need to deal with the collapse of the wave-function because there isn't any. It only assumes that conscious observer has its own frequency pattern and can form ensembles with other frequency patterns via constructive and destructive interference. It unifies the conscious observer with everything else in the system making an implicit assumption that everything else is also made of consciousness (this wasn't mentioned in the video, just an extrapolation on my part).
There is a saying - you will not perceive what you're not a vibration of - that sum's it up nicely.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMqtiFX_IQQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMqtiFX_IQQ)

This video is about the famous double slit experiment,that supports your point,its pure acceptable science  :)

Nobody have been able to find how and why the presence of an observer affects a physical phenomenon. Many spiritual things can be derived from this like "Reality exists due to observer".

Some Relevant history from Wiki
Another thing worth mentioning here, about collapse of wave-function of a particle, to a single point, on being observed.This problem can be best illustrated by the famous cat experiment of Schrodinger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat). It was interpreted by Everett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Everett_III) by many worlds theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation) in 1957.

Isn't the "observer" in the double-slit experiment actually the film?


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: Rudd-O on December 18, 2012, 12:41:30 AM

This video is about the famous double slit experiment

Yeah, I think I remember seeing this porn flick.


Title: Re: Breakthrough in understanding reality (The Farsight Institute)
Post by: spndr7 on December 18, 2012, 10:48:49 AM
You cloud take hard facts as joke as ignorance is a bliss.

Local Realism died way back in early 1980's. 

Must read Quantum Physics and the Boundaries of Spacetime (http://www.cas.uio.no/Publications/Seminar/Complexity_Morten.pdf).