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On October 9, I bought a virtual credit card (VCC) from Cara de Nada (see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=116960 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=116960)) and used it to purchase something online.  On November 16, the merchant complained of a chargeback.

I contacted caradenada and asked him to withdraw the chargeback.  He repeatedly denied making the chargeback.  The chargeback was not resolved.

On December 4, I received another chargeback notice for a different purchase.

It is now apparent that caradenada is a scammer, and has no intention of repaying the people he stole from.

Disclose the address you used to transfer him the 150 BTC and the messages confirming the chargeback. With this evidence he will be quickly tagged.

Apparently he defrauded Internet users before:

http://www.cashvouchers.net/en/market/product/529.html


http://www.cashvouchers.net/ru/market/product/528.html#fb525791

The payments went to 1LkHDNFqv1DR1yUmbMDncjdwciG3rqfM5k and 1JVn66Sq4EHSSE1NhjdD9G7v9PrB26Dz1a

He seems to have re-used the addresses, and received money from many different people.

https://blockchain.info/address/1LkHDNFqv1DR1yUmbMDncjdwciG3rqfM5k
https://blockchain.info/address/1JVn66Sq4EHSSE1NhjdD9G7v9PrB26Dz1a

That's a lot of money.  I don't understand how he got away with this for so long.

The first address did not receive any BTC on 09 October 2012.

The second address only started to receive BTC on 10 November 2012.

What are the transactions ID of the BTC sent to him?

Cointel, i answered you many times, i didnt do any chargeback, i asked you for prooves about it, and you never sent anything, only said your merchant told that. I really think you are trying to have some free money, and as i told you before, im not gonna send you again something you used. Entropay cards are not chargebackeable, so i think here your are the one trying to scam me. Otherwise, please send the proves you have, or just shut your mouth up, ok?. DOnt accuse me for something i didnt do. ANd to the forum moderator, please ask him for proves or close this thread, i dont like to be tagged as something im not. Thanks.

It was fc31cdd7007e5ac02a0aa80fab82bdd3359f4944f7286af58d0c304e65a03a36

He gave me the second address in November, but I discovered the chargeback before I sent any money there.

What do you expect me to send?  I do not have access to the entropay account, nor do I have access to the merchant's bank statement.  All I know is that the merchant complained of a chargeback.

When I found out about the chargeback, I asked you to cancel it.  I didn't care how it happened, all I wanted was the chargeback withdrawn.  I asked the merchant if the situation was resolved, and their reponse was no, and that there was a second chargeback on December 4.

If this was an honest mistake, you had more than enough time to fix it.  You have not done so.

Thats not my problem. You made the accusation of scammer to me, you should have proofs to sostain that, otherwise you shouldnt do it.
Look, i only read words from you. I can also tell a history about anything in my head. You only tell a history, you didnt show any proofs of that words,you made the acussation, you should be more responsible and show some proofs. I can also say you are an scammer, but i didnt because i dont have proof of that.

Its obvious this isnt true, he cant prove the history he invented, so i ask you moderator to solve this accusation.

At least show the chargeback claim, to prove it really exists.

This is still an issue for you to resolve though. You don't need to be so rude either, you'll soon find that respect worth both ways. If you don't show respect you won't receive it. Obviously there is an issue here and to be honest, if this is how you deal with complaints & issues then it speaks for a lot of you as a person.


Actually they are. Entropay can reverse the funds too. I've had it happen with my Entropay cards to, so am I a liar as well?

I think I know the issue here, Entropay is NOT a decent VCC that works well with any address etc. Almost every single merchant refuses the transaction after a few days when you use non confirmable information. Either way it's something you should contact Entropay about & provide them with the merchant information cointell provides you and have it looked into. Whether or not the desired outcome is reached, the point is you try your best here.

Ohh i really think entropay are non chargebackeable. Of course im not calling you a liar, but im only asking for proves, not only words.

Since caradenada is continuing to deny this, I'd like to get some more information.

The visa card numbers caradenada gave me began with 406742, 418044, 498401, and 498431.  Not all of the cards worked, and when I complained he gave me different ones.  Can someone with a legitimate entropay account confirm whether or not these are actual entropay card numbers?

Does anyone have an idea of why he sent money to nyana?

Dear cointell, i kindly ask you to stop doing this things unless you have proves of what you are telling. This is a serious accusation, and im getting tired of you. Show some prove or shut up, ok?. Misteriously, no one of the other guys i traded with, complained about this. I think you are the scammer here, and you are trying to get some free money maybe?. Moderator, please end this topic as he didnt prove his accusation.

Im not dennying, i just said that chargebacks doesnt exists, you fabulate about this, because i asked you for proves the first time you sent me a PM about this, and you didnt even care in answer my responde to that PMN so now you think its easy to make this public accusation. Look boy, the truth is that you cant sustain this thing anymore, just confess you are trying to get free money, maybe someone gives you some mbtc for free.

How exactly is he trying to get free money? All he is asking for is a chargeback to be canceled. The money would go to the merchant, not to him.

When did you lose your ability to work with your customers?

You are rude. You sound like a desperate scammer, attempting to get him to drop his case. If you don't work together with him and he does post proof, I guarantee you will be tagged as a Scammer pretty quickly.

Caradenada about a year ago bought a lot of Bitcoin using Second Life Lindens
at therock exchange, for about 50,000 USD.

All of his deposits were assessed by Linden Labs which marked his lindens as coming
from "fraudolent activities".

This doesn't make Caradenada a scammer. It's Linden Lab word versus Caradenada,
since they didn't provide any explanation a part from "fraudolent activities".

But if not a scammer, it surely adds up to the accusation: something fishy is going on
here, and I think Caradenada should accept to make things clearer.

/paci

Lets try to think before write: who made the acussation? Cointell, so the common sense says he have to prove what he said, thing that untill now he didnt do. If he shows me a proof that the chargeback existed, ill contact entropay inmmediatly about it, but so far now, he didnt even answer my PM requesting him that information, so i tried to work with him, to cooperate with him, but with this kind of people you cant. Thats why im getting angry and im being rude. Im tired of this people. So, dont judge me, any of you, unless cointell shows proofs, thats the only one thing i need to know that issue really existed. He can ask the merchant to send him a copy of the chargeback claim or an email about it from entropay, but he didnt do it too, so apparently he isnt interested in solve this too. Its been almost a month from the first chargeback as he claims, and only now he did this public post? And he dont even have something from the merchant? Thats the things i dont belive, sounds strange for me too.

Paci, its you versus linden lab, suddenly from one day to another they decided my deposits were fraudulent, they decided it by themselves, without asking for any info or documents from me. I sent you all the info you asked me and cooperate with you in that issue, you know i did it. If i commit fraud, why they didnt do anything since then? I mean, legal actions, they didnt even try to contact me, and didnt answer my emails. About cointell, if you insist in this, lets do things easy, file a claim in justice, there you ll have to show up your proves if you are telling the truth. I ll be waiting for that legal claim, ok?

You said you'd contact entropay two weeks ago, what happened with that?  And I told you which charge it was, and what amount.  You don't need any more information from me.


I gave you the opportunity to resolve this in private, before I posted this.  It didn't get resolved.

Cointell do you have anything to prove there was a chargeback? You said the merchant complained, did you get anything from them? I've never used Entropay so I don't know what you can do as far as that goes.
 

If it were me I'd contact them anyway just to see what's going on as soon as I got a customer complaint, not demand proof. You know, good customer service and all that. It's also an easy way to prove the allegations are false, and save yourself a lot of grief when things like this pop up. Just common sense.

I did contact entropay, and i told you about it cointell, i told you there were nothing from their side. Sadly i didnt save a copy of pm sent, i only have copy of pm received, but i told you and you know i did it, about theres nothing about your chargeback from entropay side. Again, file the legal claim, ill be waiting for it. I know i did everything ok, so i have nothing to fear.

They sent me an email saying there was a chargeback.  They gave me the date of the original order, and the amount.  That's all they told me, but it was sufficient to identify which charge it was.

Indeed, I didn't accuse you to be a scammer.

Anyway, suppose you bought your Lindens with several credit cards and bought Bitcoin with them.
Then, a couple of months later you ask your credit card company to chargeback those payments,
claiming that they were not made by you.

The credit card company would give you back your money, and chargeback Linden Labs, which then
would chargeback Lindens from therock claiming "fraudolent activities".

In this case, you did not commit any fraud :-) It's your right as a credit card user to ask for a chargeback.

It may have worked this way even in cointell case.

This teach us, again, that no one should accept any credit/debit card for Bitcoin.

/paci

It is fraud.  I got the merchandise, and a chargeback was made.  I'm now going to have to pay back the money that caradenada stole.

Cointell, thats all, im full of you. Go to a lawyer and file the claim, unless you have proves dont bother me anymore, ok?. Go find the proves and show them to all of us, you are still funding your acussation in words. "Someone told me blah blah blah". Show proves, emails, statements, something, because so far now, you have nothing. Again, if you show me something, ill send you the money back or do whatever i can to solve it, but now theres nothing to solve. Or you can go to a psicologist and treat your liar isuues.

Where is the evidence I ask you hours ago to prove the chargeback?

If you accuse an user, you need to provide evidence to substantiate your claim.


No one can confirm this. It is just few number you post here. Without the full numbers and the formula which verify the numbers, no one can confirm anything at all.

Moreover, if you have the card numbers then why are you complaining? The chargeback will return the money for the virtual card:

https://www.entropay.com/entropay-virtual-visa-features-and-benefits


So, could you provide a screenshot or a message confirming the chargeback and disclose where did you made the purchase?

Actually I can confirm. Entropay virtual credit cards shouldn't all start with different numbers. They all start with the same 4 numbers. If needs be I'll show proof of this. Furthermore, no matter who's giving the card out if they are a legitimate provider they all have a BankIdentificationNumber. No matter how many cards you generate the first few numbers should always be the same as it's Entropay issuing them.

I also have the card screenshots to prove they are legitime.

The chargeback isn't against me, it's against the merchant.  It's not on my bank statement or credit card statement.

I don't know exactly what the bank told the merchant, all I know is that I bought something with a card number that I got from caradenada and now the merchant is very pissed.

There is no more "proof".  It's the merchant's word against his.

So, caradenada has allegedly scammed multiple people, but he doesn't get a scammer tag because no one can prove it?


You don't seem to understand how credit cards numbers are structured.  The first 6 digits are the bank identification number, and would be sufficient to identify these cards as coming from entropay or not.

I want to know if these cards actually came from entropay, or whether he gave me stolen cards from somewhere else.

He claims to have contacted entropay, but there wouldn't be any reason to contact entropay if the cards came from elsewhere.  (In which case, he's lying.)



The money would go back to the entropay account, which I don't have access to.  I'm not even sure the cards were from entropay, which is why I asked about the bank identification numbers.


It's just a one-line email saying there was a chargeback.

Yeah, go ahead and post your fake screenshots.  Then explain the bank identification numbers, and why you had to keep giving me different card numbers because of the cards not working.

Not taking anyone's side - but the BINs that are all different are very weird. Entropay has the same first 4 numbers and the rest are different.

It may not be possible to prove the chargeback, but if a moderator/admin is able to look at the private messages caradenada sent me, then it should be possible to confirm that he did in fact give me card numbers with different BINs.

In other words, while he claimed to be selling entropay cards, he actually gave me something else.  I guess it's up to the moderators whether that justifies a scammer tag.

We are still without proves. Send something that confirms the chargeback exists, and its from the same card i sold you. We are in the middle of nothing again. Theres no one prove against me. So again, please admin close this thread.

Sounds like he was selling people stolen credit card numbers. Completely explains the chargebacks and the different first digits.

Sorry OP, hope you don't get in any legal trouble because of this.

Look Baron, i hope you can sostain what you are talking about, this is a completly different acussation, and unless you have proves of that i gently ask you to rectify your words, or i will take another kind of actions.So now, people are acussing me, and not even one of you shows a single prove of what you talk, thats pretty funny, so now i can decide to start a post saying any member i decide to, its a scammer, a hacker, a thief, a sexual offender, and anything else i think in, without any, ANY SINGLE proof. I really respect this forum and all its members, but this is too much, someone has to put a limit. I ask again, for last time, to ask cointell and now this Baron, to show their proves if they have anyone, or otherwise, you can close the account and finish this childly acussations. Of course, i reserve the rights to act legally, becaue your words, without any single prove, affects me in my moral, and of course in my bussiness too.

Cara de Nada, you claimed to be selling Entropay cards.  Instead you gave me cards with different first digits, which were NOT from Entropay.  You lied, and you are a scammer.

You can make excuses about the chargebacks, but it doesn't change the fact that you lied about the origin of these cards.

I do not. I have screenshots of the cards i sold lucky for me. Tell me where you need me to send, and ill send as soon as im back home, in about 2 hours. Just a thing, so everyone who reads this see what you are doing, you start claiming about chargebacks, and now you change your speak, saying i sell you another thing than the one i offered you. Im starting to think you are not so clever really, you are digging your cript (or however you write it), yourselve. Keep doing this, you are helping me showing that the scammer and lyer here are you. Anyway, anyone who wants to see the screenshots, tell me where to upload, i show the proves, because apparently cointell only go in words.

OP:
Please post any supporting evidence that you have on the case. (the single liner email SS etc)
If possible, do get the details from the merchant receiving the chargeback and clarify that if the cards were stolen.

caradenada:
No, we are not closing the thread as per the forum policy. You have the right to defend yourself here. Please post any supporting evidence that you have on the case.

Entropay is not a bank.


Post the emails with the header here.

Screenshots? Congrats, you know how to use Photoshop.

The email from the merchant said: "We received a chargeback from our bank today regarding the order below. The reason stated was that the charge was not recognised" and gave the order number.  I do not know if the cards were stolen and neither does the merchant.  There is no chargeback code for "stolen card".  "Charge not recognized" is the closest you'll get.  I have offered to repay the merchant for the loss.

I've stated all the relevant facts, although I've withheld some specific details such as the full card numbers and amounts, on the chance that the cards were stolen and have not yet been cancelled.  I have nothing else to add to this thread.

If you want to confirm that caradenada lied about the origin of the cards, then look at the PMs that caradenada sent me and see that the first digits of the card numbers are different, which would not be the case if the card numbers all came from entropay.  If you consider that sufficient proof of lying, then give him a scammer tag.  If it's not sufficient, then I guess he doesn't get a scammer tag.

There is really no point in continuing to debate this.

Wow, you even type like a scammer.

Can you explain why some card numbers didn't work then? lol

caradenada

I'm very concerned about this thread and the information posted here.  You have to address this immediately or I will be weighing in with some evidence as well.

Thank you.

Hmmm. Some quick googling suggests:

406742 is Entropay
418044 is Fai Financeira Americanas Itau S.A. de Credito Financiamento eInvestimento, apparently a Brazilian bank
498401 and 498431 are both Banco do Brasil S.A.

That is just your words... Post the email with the header here. Otherwise this case will turn against you.


Users here do not want statements, they want evidence. Provide the evidence or I will assume you are doing a false accusation.

Do false scam accusations really come up that often here that cause you to blame the victim first?

I am not posting the full card numbers or identifying the merchant because I do not want people 'testing' these cards, or trying other bogus cards with this merchant.

The full card numbers are in the PMs that caradenada sent me.  There is no good reason to make such details public.  If an admin wants to look at the PMs and confirm that the card numbers were not from Entropay, they can do that.  I think that should be sufficient to convince the admins of this forum that caradenada deserves a scammer tag.

No, that's just croppo's usual shtick.

I did not ask for the virtual card numbers. I ask for the email which shows that a chargeback happened. Moreover, you can redact part of the email to conceal sensitive data (do not redact date and time).


That is completely irrelevant! You have to show evidence which proves the chargeback happened. There is no safe method to verify if the numbers come from the Entropay service.

Last Active:   Today at 05:43:23 PM

Caradenada is watching, but they are not replying.

Yes, indeed.

BCB is reviewing the case and liaising with both users by personal messages.

caradenada

I believe it was 4 hours ago you posted that you would be responding in 2 hours.   If that's the case I'm going to assume that you will not be responding either publicly or privately.

I know how charge backs work and I know about Entro-Pay in-depth. The merchant will get a letter in the mail stating there was a charge back they have X amount of days to submit evidence it was a legal purchase. I have had nothing but 100% positive dealings with caradenada in the past for 1000's of dollars. None of them have been charged back and he has provided every piece of info I have ever asked him for. I do not think he defrauded you, cause of prior dealings I have had with him and he had a way greater chance to make lots of money off of me.

How fast after you purchased was there a charge back claim? Days, weeks, Months?
What kind of business was it and did they know it was a entro-pay card before you used it? "This does matter"

The merchant should be able to go right into his Merchant account and pull the Charge Back up with the Ref # Date and Reason Code
^ This is what you need to show to prove this.

Would you disclose the merchant that this happened with?

caradenada  has responded privately. 

cointell, let me know if he's responding to you.

In fact BCB, i discuss it with you, but cointell doesnt show, didnt even send me a pm. Im waiting for any news.

On October 7, caradenada made a post which I replied to (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=116960)

We negotiated a bit, then the next day I sent 20 btc to 1LkHDNFqv1DR1yUmbMDncjdwciG3rqfM5k

Cara de Nada gave me a card number which began with 406742... and told me that there was a 290 USD balance.

Based on what others have posted in this thread (thank you makomk) this was an actual entropay card number.

I made a purchase with this card.  I did not tell the merchant that this was an entropay card.  I just entered the card number and my shipping info as usual.  The purchase was approved, and apparently was not charged back.

The following day, October 9, I attempted to use the card again.  It did not work, even though there should have been a remaining balance.  I complained to caradenada about the card not working.  He gave me another card number, this one starting with 498401...  This card number appears to not be from entropay, but I didn't know that at the time.  I used the card, and got a complaint from the merchant about a chargeback on November 16.

So, what appears to have happened is that caradenada started out selling me entropay, and then, when his entropay account wasn't working, gave me a stolen credit card instead.



Well, the merchant didn't give me this info, but even if it was possible to get it, what would you do?  Are you going to call Banco de Brasil and ask if they did a chargeback?

I could ask the merchant for a reference number, but I don't see how it helps, as there wouldn't be any way to verify this info even if I got it.  The merchant wants their money back, and at this point I'm just going to give it to them without a fuss, so they don't blacklist my address.

cointell

BitcoinINV is a merchant.  You would not have access to the same charge back info as he does as a merchant.

I do have that, and the thing is when a merchant gets a charge back they will be firing questions at you like crazy. The fact that you responded means he should have told you exactly what the problem is. Even after someone files a charge back it takes 2 weeks to process through the visa/mc system before they notify the merchant. First thing the merchant will see is a Charge backfee on there bank account then a letter in the mail with reasoning for the charge back. The merchant should be willing to share this info with you if he wants to get his money back and Visa/MC want this type of resolve its written in most Merchant Contracts. He wants to beat the charge back so he can get that fee they charged him back and keep his chargeback rate down. If you pay him these things will still effect him, so lets figure out what really happened it will be good for all involved.

Well, I can ask for more info.  However, if it really was a stolen credit card, then the merchant is not going to win the chargeback.  Cara de Nada seems to be unwilling or unable to cancel the chargeback.  I've already given him more than two weeks to resolve this.  And furthermore, he lied to me about it.  He said he would contact entropay about the chargeback.  I now know that the card number wasn't from entropay.

I'm a bit hesitant to do that as I do not want to invite fraud.  This merchant apparently accepted a credit card from a different country with a clearly non-matching billing address.

I asked you the same thing they asked here in forum, to send me some proof that the chargeback exists. I told you more than once time, that if it exists i will solve anyway it, even if i have to send you the money back, but accept that you didnt do anything to show any proof of the acussation you made here.

The merchant should be able to tell you what bank the card was and if it was a level 1,2 or 3 card. This means if it was a personal, business or gift/prepaid card. This merchant does not have fraud protection? Most CC processors have fraud filters that will stop a card from being used if I.P. and billing zip do not match or name to name on card. If you are not from Argentina where the card was issued from that should have flagged the purchase right there and held it for the merchant to review. I'm just guessing here cause I see whats going on, but my guess is the Merchant Processor ran the card it was held for review. This is what caused the first cards to be declined. The merchant sent the goods out, then noticed the payment was held. When the merchant when into his processor and clicked process it declined it. Like I said get all the info you can.

You know exactly which card number it was, the date, and the amount.  I gave you that info more than two weeks ago.  Quit cluttering up this thread with frivolous denials.

Send or paste here the email telling you about the chargeback, as you were requested before by other users. I need to know the chargeback exists, so send the prove of that, thats info only you and your merchant should have. I dont need the date, card number or amount

It might have been flagged for review, but it's at the discretion of the merchant.  I was a repeat customer with no history of chargebacks, so they may have allowed it.

Bugging the merchant for more info really isn't going to help me here.  I want them to forget about it and leave me alone.  Making them look up lots of info about a credit card that was probably stolen isn't going to achieve that.  If there's something simple and straightforward that I can ask them, then I'll do that.

Since you know the date and the amount, you can just look on your credit card statement.  Oh.. you can't do that because it's not your credit card.  I forgot about that.  How silly of me.

Order of events:


http://blockchain.info/tx-index/29005553/fc31cdd7007e5ac02a0aa80fab82bdd3359f4944f7286af58d0c304e65a03a36

The summary that augustocroppo posted is a bit jumbled, but it is accurate.

Here's a somewhat more concise summary:

First purchase Oct 8, card number 406742...  Successful, no chargeback.
Attempted purchase Oct 9, card number 406742... declined.
Second purchase Oct 9, card number 498401...  Initially successful, chargeback Nov 16.
Third purchase Oct 18, card number 498431...  Initially successful, chargeback Dec 4.
Attempted purchase Nov 14, card number 498431... declined.

It was on November 14 that he gave me the 1JVn66... address.  The first chargeback hit two days later, before I sent any money to this address.

Do you deny or do you accept that you sent that credit card numbers to Cointell?

What happened with the card 418044?

He told me to use that one if 498431 didn't work.  I never used it.

All right.

What are your terms to settle a deal with Caradenada? How much loss you had and how much you want from Caradenada?

Assuming there will be no chargeback for the October 8 purchase, and I reimburse the merchant for the two chargebacks, my loss is about $500.  There is no way he can repay me for all the trouble he caused.

In the card statements it doesnt say anything about chargebacks, thats why i asked you that are the one who accused me, to show me the proves that the chargebacks exists, you have to find a way to get it by yourself. I dont care how you do it, but untill now you dont have nothing more than words. After you used the cards, i deleted that cards from my account, to not confuss and sell to another customer again. I only have the card screenshots, not an statement. Anyway, as i told you before, if you are so sure of what you are saying and still have no proves to show here, go to justice. I will only respond to that "damage" you mentiones, after you show me an email or someother proof that the chargebacks existed, you have to prove that, you are the one who accuses me, so find a way to prove your sayings, ok?.

I can't prove that the chargebacks exist because I don't have access to the bank statements.  I believe that the merchant is telling me the truth, but I have no firsthand knowledge.

What is plainly clear is that you are lying.  You lied about these being entropay cards.  These are not entropay card numbers.  When I complained about the chargeback, you lied and said you would contact entropay.  You obviously didn't contact entropay, since the cards didn't come from entropay.  And now you are lying again.  You couldn't have deleted that card from your account because it was never on your entropay account.

The evidence of your lying is right here on bitcointalk.  The admins should look at it, and give you a scammer tag.

No my friend. I have deleted the cards, but previously i have made the screenshots, which i have stored in my computer. These are entropay cards, i told you before and i repeat now. You are the liar here, because in more than a month you cant show a single proof that chargeback exists. You can ask your merchant to send some info, but you didnt do it, you go for the easy way of make this public unsostained acussation without proves. Stop lying, and show proves. Yesterday you were requested to send at least the header of the email from the merchant, but you didnt do that neither, because im sure that that email doesnt exists neither. Who is the liar here then?

What should I ask the merchant?  There are two possible things I could ask:


I could ask the merchant what bank the cards came from.  I have no reason to do that, since we already know it is Banco do Brasil.

I could ask the merchant for the chargeback reference number.  This is totally useless, since no one here would be able to verify this info.

All you are doing is wasting people's time.

You made the post without having proofs, you used the people lying them, so you make people waste their time, little idiot. Send the email you received from the merchant, PROVE THE CHARGEBACK EXISTS!!!

Prove that it doesn't exist!

All you gotta do is look at caradenada's post history and add it to the accusation that's being made here. Pretty easy to come to a conclusion.

Something is pretty fishy, I still don't trust caradenada.

How on earth can you call people a liar when your handing out stolen credit card details?

"The visa card numbers caradenada gave me began with 406742, 418044, 498401, and 498431.  Not all of the cards worked, and when I complained he gave me different ones. "

@mods - please check this yourself via a BIN look up.

http://binbase.com/search.html

https://i.imgur.com/1ZIJh.png
https://i.imgur.com/vm8rf.png
https://i.imgur.com/6Q5Yf.png
https://i.imgur.com/4yLZM.png

& this is what an ENTROPAY bin looks like.

https://i.imgur.com/1ZIJh.png

The last three cards he gave were fake - what further proof do you need that something dodgy is going on? No way on earth would a Entropay card come up as a Platinum card LOL. Of course the merchant is going to get charged-back on because their fucking stolen credit cards.

I would bet any Entropay cards he also obtained were done so fraudulently (stolen identity and bank info).

Possibly.  With multiple entropay accounts, he could fund them with stolen credit cards, then wait a while and see if it gets charged back.  If not, then go ahead and use the entropay.

I guess he ran out of entropay funds, or he got too greedy and didn't want to wait.

You ll have to recheck or investigate it more, because i have the scans in my computer, where clearly shows that the cards are ENTROPAY. So you can think whatever you want, i really dont care, if you have another acussation, go to justice, and stop bothering here. I still dont see any prove, real prove of the acussations made here. And Cointell, you made the acussation, you have to show the proves, not me. Its simple: innocent untill it proves the opposite. You still did not prove im guilty, when you show me and all of us your proves, i ll defend myself with my proves. You cant throw the bomb and then hide your hands, be serious, and accept your responsibility: show the forum the email from the merchant, we are all waiting. In the meantime, shut up.

All its possible. Also, i could robbed a bank, have a machine to print fake credit cards, be a kidnapper, soo many things, but you are still standing up on nothing, all supposing things, fabulating things, its easy to make an acussation that way, fabulous how it works, you are really great. Why dont you get back to real life? What are we discussing here?

Are you stupid or what?

You clearly admitted you gave him those cards and I just proved their not ENTROPAY cards because ENTROPAY cards have the same BIN. Should I start making a list of all your lies? Alright let's go.


False, Entropay cards CAN be charged-back. I had a friend use one on Skype and later the account was blocked because he used a fake address etc so it looked suspicious to Skype's credit card processors.


Nope, he's asking for the chargeback to be cancelled, something that can easily be done with a little bit of communication with the Entropay team.


wait a minute....


You said you contacted them about it - how would you have contacted them about it if you deleted the cards? Furthermore, why would you delete the cards, wouldn't it make more sense to keep them as proof in case something like this happens?

It's simple the OP cannot be provided with any more detail other than the fact that there was a chargeback, the amount, the date and possibly time. Everything else is done through the merchant and not the actual site (assuming there is a payment processor here.)

Caradenada, why don't you explain to us why you gave him those fake credit card details. The last three cards you gave are NOT from Entropay. Let me guess, you tried to give him non-AVS BINs? So it goes through easily?

You keep on saying there are these images, but where are they? I've just proven that those cards you gave him were NOT Entropay cards. Where's your proof they were?

Actually, the entropay card that he gave me never got charged back.  It just got cancelled after the first time I used it.  That's when he started giving me the Banco do Brasil cards, which did end up with chargebacks.

Xchidiotger, you are kind of stupid or dont know to read? I deleted the cards from my entropay account, i save the screenshots as a proof, just in case, screenshots i have in my pc and which ill send later today to other forum member to check, so try to be a little clever and read well the things i write.

Regarding the purchases you made with the "stolen" card numbers, what exactly you provided to validate the transaction?

- Address of the card holder?
- The card's PIN?
- The card's CVV?
- The card's Password?

I just entered the card number, cvv, expiration date, and my address.  It was no different than any other purchase with a credit card.

Xchidigoter? That's the best you can come up with? What are you, a fucking 12 year old behind his keyboard who makes plays on words? Why don't you post the screenshots here? How would Entropay know what card your talking about if you deleted it from your account?

Answer my questions, why do the BINs of the cards given to cointell match that of credit cards and not Entropay as you said they were?

Calling me an idiot when I proved you wrong just makes your case look bad.


I would like to add, certain cards have non-avs features, meaning the address of the card-holder do not have to be matching during the order checkout. I believe Caradenada gave him those specific BINs because they would bypass any address checks and emulate the sort of features you get with Entropay but as I have proven in this post right here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129168.msg1382098#msg1382098) the BINs belong to platinum credit card holders and not debit cards as they should show up as with Entropay.

So Caradenada, before you start calling other people idiots analyse the facts.


Lol by that logic that means he owes you for the Entropay money lost and should be banned for giving you stolen credit card details.

I assume entropay has a 'permissive' AVS similar to many Visa gift cards, where it will accept any address.  I don't know what Banco do Brasil does, probably no AVS at all.

There hasn't been a chargeback on the entropay card yet, but it's only been about 60 days.  Theoretically chargebacks could happen up to 120 days.

Xchidiotger - or xchstutpider, i can call you as i want you, ok?. If you have any problem with that, just dont read my posts, you idiot, you can suck my balls, ok?. As is obvious cointell has not even one proof, and the idiots like you starts to add new insults and acussations without any prove, you can continue doing wathever you want, i dont care. I tried to help here, i asked for cointell for proof, and after that if he is truth, ill refund the money he lost, but he didnt show anything to me to prove the chargeback exists. SO, you can do whatever you want, you want to ban me?, ban me, ill create a new account, or continue entering the site with any other new user. But i ll not respond here anymore, because you are offending me without nothing to sostain that acussatios, so continue discussing here this stupid things, and if you want, you can go to justice or file a legal claim if you have balls and proves to do so. There we will see whi has the truth and who is lying.

You're a immature scamming liar and I can assure you, you won't last long with this kind of attitude. I'm asking you to prove they were ENTROPAY cards when I clearly proved they were not because of a fucking BIN lookup and you're still asking for proof? Fucking idiot.

This is correct, Entropay has an non-AVS system where any address will work and oh guess what? I was fucking right.


Ban this scumbag, he obviously gave cointell non american cards to bypass AVS checks.

Just to understand how you calculated your loss: the purchase which resulted in the chargebacks were made with USD?

Should stop talking about what you do not know.....

Settlement Information
Settlement Amount:   USD 119.00
Settlement Date and Time:   16-Nov-2012 01:18:27 PST
Business Day:   16-Nov-2012
Batch ID:   211223279
Authorization Information
Authorization Amount:   USD 119.00
Submit Date /Time:   15-Nov-2012 14:42:34 PST
Authorization Code:   
Reference Transaction ID:    Not Applicable
Transaction Type:   Authorization w/ Auto Capture
Address Verification Status:   AVS Not Applicable (P)
Card Code Status:   Not Applicable
CAVV Result Code:    Not Applicable
Fraud Score Applied:   Not Applicable
Recurring Billing Transaction:   N
Partial Capture Status:   Not Applicable
Customer IP:   186.XXX.XXX.1XX
Fraud Information
Fraud Filter:   IP-Shipping Address Mismatch Filter, Transaction IP Velocity Filter, Shipping Address Verification Filter, Regional IP Address Filter, Shipping-Billing Mismatch Filter
Fraud Action:   Do not authorize. Hold for review  <------<<<<< Merchant processed the order with out Reviewing it, when the merchant clicked the button to process the payment it came back with a "Declined." The merchant then tells the customer it was a charge back in hopes of recovering some funds from lost revenue. Why do I feel this has happend? cause it happend to me, but I told him and guess what he sent me the money right away. Argentina restricts movements of funds to and from the country. Thats why they can not use normal channels to buy things. If the argentina gov see's transactions coming or going from there country they have been known to "grab" the funds. How do I know this?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118169.40
Around post #55 with gusti.

Let me give you some info, I have talked to caranadas bank's and my merchant banker has talked to him and his bank.

Payment Information
Card Type:   Visa
Card Number:   XXXX2xx0
Expiration Date:   XXXX
Total Amount:   USD 119.00
Order Information
Invoice #:   0000385177
Description:   10 Coins Key
Customer Billing Information
Name:   XXXXXXXXX
Company:   
Address:   XXXXXX
City:   Resistencia
State/Province:   AK
Zip Code:   XXXX
Country:   Argentina
Phone:   
Fax:   
Email:   XXXXX@yahoo.com
 
Customer ID:   
Customer Type:   
Customer TaxID/SSN:   
 
DL Number:   
DL State:   
DL DOB:   
Shipping Information
Name:   
Company:   
Address:   
City:   
State/Province:   
Zip Code:   
Country:   
Additional Details - Level 2 Data
Tax:   0.00  
Freight:   0.00  
Duty:   0.00  
Tax Exempt:   N
PO Number:   



Think you should give this some time, A couple of different things could have happened. But I do understand the grief cause I went through it with Gusti he thought I took his money :|. But in reality the Argentina gov had it lol

I do know what I am talking about. The information you posted, it proves my point. Entropay does not use AVS in any way. If a merchant, such as yourself sees an order with something like:

123 Fake Street

then if I'm not wrong, won't your merchant put a flag on it? Especially if the address being entered does not match geog-region?


What? This has to do with Entropay....not Caradenadas bank. If anyone that needs to be talked to it's Entropay. Unless I've misunderstood you & the funding source was charged-back on, then in which case Caradenada still needs to provide a solution.


So you're just going to ignore the fact that he gave cointell platinum credit card details? Details which obviously are NOT Entropay even though he said himself that he gave out Entropay cards.


Yeah...the card is NOT from Argentina. It's from Entropay which is in Malta. So please, if you going to accuse me or not knowing what I'm talking about at least make it relevant.

Yes, the purchase was in USD and I repaid the merchant for the chargeback.

Who is caradenada's bank?  I doubt it's Banco do Brasil.  Even if it is, he repeatedly lied to me by claiming the cards were from entropay when they obviously were not.  If he had given me entropay cards then none of this would have happened.  His dishonesty cost me a lot of time and money.

Cara de nada - Scammer de todos

This should have nothing to do with his bank though. The fact is, you were given stolen credit cards which can be proven by doing a BIN lookup. He has repeatedly said that they were Entropay cards & this is obviously not the truth.

Let's consider for the most stupidest reason, if his bank was banco do brasil, they would not be classed as PLATINUM CREDIT type cards, they would be debit cards.

BitcoinINV seems to be suggesting that maybe it wasn't a stolen card and perhaps the government of Argentina confiscated the money.  This entirely misses the point.

Caradenada claimed to be selling Entropay cards, not credit cards from Argentina, and not credit cards from Brazil.  He gave me something other than what I paid for and repeatedly lied about it.  He is a scammer and a liar.

Like I said I think you should just wait this one out. Give it a little more time.
I am still curious who is the merchant? you can message me if you do not want to post it here I want to look at his CC processing system I might be able to draw some more info off of that.

I don't understand why cointell should be forced to wait any more than he already has. Caradenara has given cointell non-Entropay cards even though he is adamant that he has given cointell Entropay cards. I've just proven that they are not Entropay cards, but in fact Banco Do Brazil issued cards and belong to the Platinum credit card line. This is not normal in ANY case.

I don't understand how hard that is for someone to understand? If they were virtual credit cards they would not be classed as credit, but debit. You can check the BINs yourself.

What exactly am I waiting for?  The chargebacks aren't going to get removed, and caradenada clearly isn't willing to reimburse the loss.

The only additional development that could occur is if the entropay transaction gets charged back.  It has been only 60 days since that charge was submitted (October 8).  From what others have said here, it is reportedly rather difficult (but not impossible) to charge back from entropay.



I don't want to reveal the specific merchant, as I don't want to encourage people to 'test' (defraud) them, but I can tell you they are based outside the US.  This likely explains the lax AVS.

The reason I bought from caradenada is because I tried to use a Visa gift card with this merchant and it was not accepted.  Visa gift cards often block international payments.

Both users are lying. This is a classic case of a scammer trying to scam another scammer. Caradenada sent forged credit card numbers to cointell. He was aware that no chargebacks would happen because the card numbers would never work in any payment processing system. Cointell tried to use the card numbers without any success. Then he planned to defraud caradenada by taking advantage of the situation. Cointell is lying about the chargeback. No purchase was made because the card numbers are forged.

How do I know the card numbers are forged?

Quite simple: I am Brazilian and I am a customer of Banco do Brasil. I had direct experience with different types of card issued by Banco do Brasil. The initials of the card numbers are from two types of credit card, platinum and classic. Neither cards work with USD, only with BRL (Brazilian Reals). Cointell has already confirmed that he purchased goods with USD. That is impossible, the payment processing system would never accept a payment made with BRL. The only credit card issued by Banco do Brasil that could be used to convert BRL to USD would be the international type.

So I recommend the moderators to issue a scammer tag for both users.

I'm sure BitcoinINV wants this to pan out, since caradenada probably bought Bitcoins from him with a CC.

Well...you learn something new every day. Glad at least someone has the sense to see that their not Entropay cards.

Oh, yeah.  He gave me non-working credit card numbers, and instead of complaining about it immediately, I waited 5 weeks and then complained of a non-existant chargeback.  Sure, that makes a lot of sense.

Are you really this stupid?  Even if that was true, he never paid me back for the non-working credit card numbers he sold me.

Caradenada gave me stolen cards, and they worked.  I wish he had only given me non-working numbers.  I still would have lost money, but it would have caused a lot less trouble, and I would have known he was a scammer much sooner.

Yes, I also learned something new from this discussion. You was right on the spot, I just did not confirmed because I was observing cointell allegations. Sometimes the best way to gather consistent information is read and wait.

Caradenada didn't scam me on the first transaction.  So maybe BitcoinINV didn't lose anything yet.

Caradenada I just got a charge back from one of your cards as well care to explain? want me to provide proof?
1233012424
******2850
First Chargeback
$55.91
$57.75
2012-11-02
0083 <---- Reason Code I was talking about.
2012-12-06

The gig is up.

Hope he really not trying to do this..... I got all his info and when I mean all I mean all lol.

His, or the identity he stole to give to you? Unless you talked to the guy over video chat...

He must have robbed the person blind cause he had all there info, and his bank this its him too lol.

Not uncommon to find credit data which includes everything to bypass a credit card processor, but since he used his residential IP address, it's unlikely he was trying to bypass any AVS checks. Game over.

EDIT: meant to say geo-region checks. /facepalm.

This are the personal messages I sent to caradenada. His responses are in the inside quotes:

Seems like he doesn't "care about anything".

It's funny how people who ask for payment upfront here instead of going through escrow are considered scammers right away. But when there is pretty obvious and conclusive proof that someone is actually scamming...

Not quite.  Cara is spanish for "face", not "care".

Cara de nada actually means no facial expression, showing no emotion...

Totally. But do you think HE knows?

Bump.

Email Used
neocarolman22@yahoo.com
predimati@gmail.com

Real Name   Hector Matias Predilailo
Place of residence
Argentina

Born Feb 12 1982


Google circles link him to these people
Erik Espinoza
https://plus.google.com/107366547370764828094/posts

https://www.facebook.com/h.matias  <---- Looks like his passport photo but not 100% sure.
https://twitter.com/HectorMatias


http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.grippo.com/post/300141/gestionamos%2520tu%2520tarjeta%2520de%2520credito%2520visa%2520cabal%2520y%2520mastercard.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DHector%2BMatias%2BPredilailo%2BArgen%26hl%3Den%26tbo%3Dd%26rlz%3D1C1FGGD_enUS502US502&sa=X&ei=GjvKULzFLLOB0AGXnYHQAQ&ved=0CDMQ7gEwAA


Just a couple of quick info with google search.

That is not him...

Let me show you how to cross the references:


http://www.facebook.com/matias.predilailo?ref=fs

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash4/c0.30.180.180/s160x160/4609_82864641397_4804970_a.jpg


http://www.ruta0.com/florianopolis/experiencias/8602-37-viajo-a-bombinhas-en-febrero-2007-sobre-rutas--parte-2.htm?f=20011#20011


The photo above was possibly take on a beach in Florianopolis or Bombinhas (two places near where I live). Argentina do not have a beautiful coast like that.

Hahahaha, you are still soo idiotics!!!: First of all, do you think i used my real identity?. A simple look into 4shared or any other bank of photos, will let you find many ids, utility bills, and many other personal documents, the rest is esaier than that, just find a jerk to fuck, and thats all. Anyway, what do you think you could do with that info you have, eh?. Do you think anybody will hear you or do something?. DO you know how many times i did this, and for much much more money, and nothing happened, and nothing will happen neither, so its better if you just accept you were such an idiots to let you fucked up, accept you loose that money, and take a nap, because no one will nothing, so take that option, or go cry to mamma if you prefer, but accept the situation, ok?. Im here, and even if you tag me as an scammer, ill still be here, you cant do anything with that. You loosers, suck my balls.

Dios mio, man. Liam and me, we're gonna fuck you up.

So now we finally get a confession...

Deleted his Facebook already? No your not scared at all.

Ok, lets see if you can fuck me up, i really dont think so. As i told you its not my first time, and belive me, you hvae nothing. So better shut up and keep sucking my balls.Im in this for mo than 10 years, and honestly, you what governments think about bitcoin, do you really think you can do something?. What you can do?, please tell me, you sold something it doesnt exists, and you accept a risk taking credit cards payments, thats is something you know, and it claerly says in your credit card procesor contracts and T&C. Credit card, banks, and credit card owner gets his money back, so you are the only one in the middle, fucked up, and with nothing to do. Sincerely, you shouldnt take credit card, you know its risks, now you loose. So dont try to scare me, because i wont, i know this market, im in this bussines for long long time, and i did more than 50k from bigger and powerfull companies, and nothing happened, so keep your words inside your mouth, and move on, idiot.

What does your mother think about that?

Thats not your problem.

You have my "Info", or thats what you think. Thats facebook account isnt a real one, thats why i closed it. But you can think whatever you want, if you belive im scared, ok, im scared. Think whatever you think its better for you. Only thing for sure, is that nothing will happens, so if you have bals, just go and file a claim, or go to police, whatever you want you ll see nothing will happen. Evenmore, they will laugh in your face. I cant really stop laughing too. Anyway, good luck. This is my last message again, keep discussing yourself what you can do. And take care with the info you publish, because if he knows about it, he may complaint about it, you know this could be an invasion to privacy?. Anyway, good life to all of you, and try not be such an idiots again. YOU CAN ALL SUCK MY BALLS AND ASS BY THE WAY. BYE BYE.

She doesn't know, does she? You really should talk to her about this problem of yours. Mothers care, they understand.

Got all his family contacts, glad my I know people from Argentina it was good going to college in Miami :P, Lots of people from lots of places.

With a written confession of him doing this on an ongoing basis, I'm sure you can find people other than his family to notify about his fraudulent activities.  We know at least some of the credit card issuers he's defrauded. 

People should pay me to figure people like this out. It's too easy.

hey, beach landscapes in argentina are better than in brazil.  ;D

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTyZaGd9tniEeFmCfIr_q4PYXLKA4v0LzAdCTG65YHnIQg66tl6ZQ

Your a sad little girl. LOL.

Scammer?

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h428/keithh409/LsqVA.gif

Hahahaha,thanks for the tag, now you only have to find my other 5 accounts and tag thats too. Im just back for few things: of course i use proxy; what will you do with all the info you have?, you are the league of justice?, who will do something?, you have nothing. Little more things: you dont have a confession, read again, thats not a confession, we are just supposing things, and im pretty sure that post in a fucking forum doesnt count as a confession, but if you are so stupid to think that, its up to you; finally, i have friends in USA and many other countries too, but whats with that?, you will send them to find me?, based on what?, i cant stop laughing, i cant belive you are so stupid to really think somethings gonna happen. Plase go to the "authorities", you have nothing, they will laugh at you. The card companies, and the card owner were not defrauded, they file the claim, asked for the chargeback, and so the credit card company refunds their money, you re the only one who looses here, and as you take the risks accepting a credit card, with no presence of the owner, and didnt even check the country bins, the credit card company makes you responsible. Thats how things works, and thats why nobody will hear you, the banks, credit card companies and/or credit caed owner doesnt cares about you, they get their money back, and thats the end of the history. Maybe if you go to the police and tell them, "ye, i was such an idiot to accept a credit card payment from someone i doesnt know, without any proof, not even a phone call, also i didnt check the credit card bins, yes im an idiot", maybe in that case they could listen you. Just accept the facts boys.
And for your knowledge, i dont fucking care a shit the scammer tag, its like a prize for me, thanks for that, i will continue using the forum, and thanks for the easy money all you gave me this last two months. More than 15000 usd. Nice amount, dont you think?. Now yes, this is my last post about this stupid thing. Good life to all of you, maybe we could see again soon, and trade btc for credit cards.

If he really scammed 15k, you have a good case, and he will eventually be prosecuted.

He really did.  Over 2600 btc...

https://blockchain.info/address/1LkHDNFqv1DR1yUmbMDncjdwciG3rqfM5k
https://blockchain.info/address/1JVn66Sq4EHSSE1NhjdD9G7v9PrB26Dz1a

You mean like that Pirate guy?

pirateat40 theft much more but, besides being more careful, was not such an asshole. I lost a lot of money with pirate and this guy dislike me more...

Still, with so many affected in the U.S. and with so much money, I do not know how nobody settled accounts.