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Title: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: spiritual3 on December 29, 2015, 12:14:29 PM
If we use the same strategy, is there any difference between manual and bot. Some of my senior friends say.. it is not safe to use bot, even though it is same strategy..

I request frank opinions from senior members.. so that this thread can be useful for some of our new members ..
If possible.. suggestions may also post in this..please..


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: tolikkk on December 29, 2015, 12:31:50 PM
some time to use the bot and be some success though but the strategy does not help and in the end the bot to be greedy and profit to be lower than expected, bot the probability, I think, a very positive result to expect there is no need and my conclusion is that the bot no special role to play, but only from the point of view of some personal satisfaction, reasoning or rhetorical reasoning may be something else, though


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: bajing on December 29, 2015, 12:41:30 PM
 i can tell you is not good if you trust a bot for betting, i'm not like bet using bot because positive in the end you will lose. why because you need control when you gambling.. just share my opinion, may be another person can give better opinion than me :)


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: Chemistry1988 on December 29, 2015, 12:45:33 PM
If we use the same strategy, is there any difference between manual and bot. Some of my senior friends say.. it is not safe to use bot, even though it is same strategy..

I request frank opinions from senior members.. so that this thread can be useful for some of our new members ..
If possible.. suggestions may also post in this..please..

With manual betting or automatic betting, your win chance for the same bet is still the same. What the bot do is just to speed up the whole process. Never download or run a bot you got from a random place unless you have checked its source, as it likely contains malicious code to transfer your account balance away and to steal your passwords.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: edmundduke on December 29, 2015, 12:50:28 PM
If we use the same strategy, is there any difference between manual and bot. Some of my senior friends say.. it is not safe to use bot, even though it is same strategy..

I request frank opinions from senior members.. so that this thread can be useful for some of our new members ..
If possible.. suggestions may also post in this..please..

It is the same. While some could argue it could be easier to hide "modified" bets among the bets but it would still show if one would check their bets. People use automated betting so they wouldnt need to keep on clicking the button endlessly and it is also much faster. Manually doing martingale or rolling for lets say x9900 is too time consuming.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: ClashBit on December 29, 2015, 01:00:48 PM
Time basically, bots are faster and also lets you rest your hand a bit.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: 23dzmaz on December 29, 2015, 01:38:55 PM
If we use the same strategy, is there any difference between manual and bot. Some of my senior friends say.. it is not safe to use bot, even though it is same strategy..

I request frank opinions from senior members.. so that this thread can be useful for some of our new members ..
If possible.. suggestions may also post in this..please..

Bot can bet automated so we don't need to manual the dice, it's efficiency about time. but we don't know the bot is fair or not in that website, so must be play carefull and don't be greedy. or you will lose all your money/bitcoin.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: Small on December 29, 2015, 01:44:29 PM
It depends. Most of the times, request are sent from your browser to the server, same way as manual betting. AFAIK, the server is unable to distinguish between bot and non bot bets. Verification should still be made however. It is harder for bets in automated betting to be verified due to the speed.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: ronaldo40 on December 29, 2015, 02:02:39 PM
I agree with some of your senior friends. bot more dangerous and it could lose more quickly. whereas the manual we still can control the defeat.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: Pony789 on December 29, 2015, 02:07:29 PM
It depends. Most of the times, request are sent from your browser to the server, same way as manual betting. AFAIK, the server is unable to distinguish between bot and non bot bets. Verification should still be made however. It is harder for bets in automated betting to be verified due to the speed.

If the site uses nonce in the provably fair system, there shouldn't be much problem in verifying bets in automated betting. After all, with the server seed (obtained after the betting session is over) and client seed, you should be able to get the rolled numbers locally and run your bot logic using those numbers to check what your session profit or loss should be. If the site doesn't use nonce, verification would be a lot harder, as you will need to record the seed pairs of each of your bets automatically.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: shanem on December 29, 2015, 02:20:18 PM
There is no difference between bot and manual betting. The house edge remains the same for both type of gambling.
Th only advantage in bot betting is you can make lots of bet especially in dice gambling.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: asuryan180 on December 29, 2015, 02:32:59 PM
If we use the same strategy, is there any difference between manual and bot. Some of my senior friends say.. it is not safe to use bot, even though it is same strategy..

I request frank opinions from senior members.. so that this thread can be useful for some of our new members ..
If possible.. suggestions may also post in this..please..
You yourself can think about the difference ,what could it be other than you being busy and want to win some coins by gambling them and so better start a bot and let it do all the work.
If you are thinking a bot has some impact on the future rolls then it is wrong.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: wadii33 on December 29, 2015, 02:48:57 PM
bot's are not safe to gamble with it could just keep on loosing until you lost it all  but the positive thing is it does not have emotions so not like manuel betting when you lose you get angry then reckless so you lose in that way


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: hawkins on December 29, 2015, 02:58:18 PM
of course there is a big difference at the time wanted to gamble, which uses a bot or manually, if you use a bot you rely on the strength of the script and if you do not use bots, meaning you have to use your head  ;D


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: bering on December 29, 2015, 03:08:29 PM
there is no safe betting in gambling because for me difference between bot and manual betting is if you use bot you can lose faster than manual betting no more than that


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: iv4n on December 29, 2015, 03:18:28 PM
I`m not some expert, all I can share with u is my opinion and my expirience. With auto bot I never had luck on the long run. I lost almost always. Also if u plan to bet with auto bot u need to have big bankroll and I suggest to not play more then 500 bets in one run.
But there is some questions, lets take for exapmle primedice:    

Roll under 49.5 to winn,  payout 2 %   , win chance 49.5 %. How many times u can lose? if your base bet is 1 sat your 21 try will be 0.01048576.
With this strategy playin, in 1000 throws u can make around 300 satoshis or more if u have losing streak more then 15 time in that run (if u dont lose).

I saw in chat some guy said by some provably fair rules not more then 30 time. But can this be truth? Also if we play for bigger win where payout is more then 3 %, what we can expect?


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: fox19891989 on December 29, 2015, 03:51:14 PM
depends on your algorithm, for example, blackjack has basic strategy, if you use bot, you implement it strictly, which can get highest expected return- 99.6% for 8 decks of poker.

if you manual play it, you will change your mind if you get 16 against dealer's 10, if u stand, you may lose.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: shulio on December 29, 2015, 04:44:22 PM
depends on your algorithm, for example, blackjack has basic strategy, if you use bot, you implement it strictly, which can get highest expected return- 99.6% for 8 decks of poker.

if you manual play it, you will change your mind if you get 16 against dealer's 10, if u stand, you may lose.

How the hell are you going to use bot for blackjack? there is no bot for blackjack and even if you use strategy, you dont need to fool yourself because you know that it is not worth it because you will keep losing in the long term


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: gizane on December 29, 2015, 04:50:28 PM
I can say that there is so much different on bot and manual betting. As I can say manual betting there is no much varience that you can do with strategy but by using bot you can definitely explore so many strategy that you can used to increase your winning chance but you know that in a long run you will lose it for sure so I suggest that you really control your bot or just do manual bet in case of losing your balance too fast


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: Bitcoin_Delivery on December 29, 2015, 04:53:13 PM
I agree with some of your senior friends. bot more dangerous and it could lose more quickly. whereas the manual we still can control the defeat.

I used external bot for a month or so....at the end of the story, simply you can't control when bet are going out of hands, finishing for loose all your bankroll because you hit STOP too late....better go slowly but at least are you that play/win/loose your own money, not a bot  ;)
And with manual bet you can place extra-bet to recover some loss during strategy.....


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: sakira on December 29, 2015, 05:17:07 PM
as long as I use a bot, it was pretty good run in the not too long.

but I prefer the manual betting so that I could read the numbers game that will come out next.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: KingZee on December 29, 2015, 05:30:58 PM
There is absolutely no difference. Whether you press that button, or the bot sends the request, it's exactly the same thing. The hash generated for you was going to be generated for the bot anyways.

Only difference is that the bot can probably "click" 10x faster per second than you will. So, there's your difference.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: Ceizer54 on December 29, 2015, 05:35:24 PM
Well if both the bot and you perform same strategy then yes both are doing the same thing but there's a risk with using bot because if your strategy starts to fail then bot doesn't know to stop and you will end up with empty wallet so auto betting is much risky but can sometime also leads to better profit.
I would say go for manual betting so that you can control your bank roll and decide if you want to continue bet or not.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: Slark on December 29, 2015, 05:38:54 PM
If we use the same strategy, is there any difference between manual and bot. Some of my senior friends say.. it is not safe to use bot, even though it is same strategy..

I request frank opinions from senior members.. so that this thread can be useful for some of our new members ..
If possible.. suggestions may also post in this..please..
There is no difference in outcome as you can't program bot with winning strategy it can execute. It is just matter of preference and convenience if you are using bots for you betting.
If you are low roller and want to roll the dice for extended periods of time bots are ideal solution to save you from tedious clicking.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: marioantonini on December 29, 2015, 06:29:44 PM
i don't like external bot for play a dice, i like see my roll one for one, i don't understand people play 10 satoshi x 9999 to more dice , what is the sense? or use a bot for martingale option, hope for found a winning method.

i use autoroll, only when i see any promotion of any dice "example , bet a roll number 1 billion"


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: KenR on December 29, 2015, 06:58:12 PM
There certainly is,depends how you've programmed the bot ,the bot will only follow those instructions like bet on low and highs alternately or something like bet 10 lows if win 5 then bet on high .I mean any conditional looping that executes the loop will be followed by the bot.But manual betting  gives us more conditions to test on like low low and if win then low or high,I mean there are n-number of possibilities we can fulfill with manual betting.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: DarkStar_ on December 29, 2015, 07:07:57 PM
There is usually no difference, except that a bot does not know when to quit.
Bot = Say bye bye to your money


It's better to yolo all your money on a small multiple (in my opinion) then trying martingale.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: adaseb on December 29, 2015, 09:52:39 PM
There was alot of controversary discussed when it came to this in the past whether using a bot makes you win more, less or the same.

Some say that if you are using the autobot thats built into the gambling terminal you are setting yourself up for failure but it could never be proven because it would be impossible.

I would say, its the same no different.

Bot maybe makes you bet more, the more you bet the faster you make money or lose it all.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: Junko on December 29, 2015, 10:03:28 PM
It seems like people are talking about different things in this thread when referring to a "bot". I think some are talking about the autobet function of a site or an auto-click macro, while others are talking about a third party script or program that uses an algorithm to calculate/analyze and make a pre-programmed actions/decisions based on the situation, eg blackjack bots and poker bots.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: Decoded on December 29, 2015, 10:20:53 PM
If we use the same strategy, is there any difference between manual and bot. Some of my senior friends say.. it is not safe to use bot, even though it is same strategy..

I request frank opinions from senior members.. so that this thread can be useful for some of our new members ..
If possible.. suggestions may also post in this..please..

Bots are for the lazy. Betting sites can manipulate the bots client hash, and bots are repetitive. Humans, based on what they're doing, act differently. In done cases, for the better, and in others, for the worse.

I personally use bots only if I don't have time. Otherwise, I don't trust them.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: sakinaka on December 29, 2015, 10:21:23 PM
Bots = lose faster
Manual betting = lose even faster


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: badjacks99 on December 29, 2015, 10:28:13 PM
I'd say there's a huge difference between using a bot and doing the bets manually. For me I would think there could be situations where you wouldn't want the bot to continue betting. And on the flipside there is situations where maybe you would want to go a little further with your bets if you're feeling lucky. I actually would prefer a butt but I've been burned a few times by either an error or just out right playing longer than I would want.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: smiletyson on December 29, 2015, 10:29:29 PM
Yes there is;
If you didn't program the bot properly it'll wager till money ends.
While betting manually you have chance to walk away with profit or loose. It depends on how eager you're.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: examplens on December 29, 2015, 11:25:00 PM
i am try couple times to use bot on dice bet, and guess what? i am loose all very fast.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: Straux on December 29, 2015, 11:49:33 PM
Some bots place bets so fast you have a chance to  verify their legitimacy.

Bots are also super repeditive, and if there's a circumstance where the boot couldve done something to regain your loss or profit alot, the boy wouldn't do it as it is following pre set rules.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: patt0 on December 30, 2015, 12:05:31 AM
If you do exactly the same thing I see no reason not to be the same. I guess that when you are using a bot you will stick to the strategy and wont let your "emotions" to take over. If you do it manually for good or for worst you can adjust the strategy.
Not an expert, but I don't see any other diference. Of course that with a bot you can make much more bets as well


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: dodgecharger on December 30, 2015, 01:28:42 AM
Using a bot just increases the speed of losing money! What is the point of using it? Since I know gambling is for fun, I prefer to manually bet.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: gizane on December 30, 2015, 03:50:54 AM
If we use the same strategy, is there any difference between manual and bot. Some of my senior friends say.. it is not safe to use bot, even though it is same strategy..

I request frank opinions from senior members.. so that this thread can be useful for some of our new members ..
If possible.. suggestions may also post in this..please..

Bots are for the lazy. Betting sites can manipulate the bots client hash, and bots are repetitive. Humans, based on what they're doing, act differently. In done cases, for the better, and in others, for the worse.

I personally use bots only if I don't have time. Otherwise, I don't trust them.

I dont agree with you. I know they create bot is to make things easier and you can calculate everything before you can run it. It is like making some prediction and make some setting for your betting so this is no way that people are doing this because they are lazy to click it


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: Maskedman on December 30, 2015, 03:53:44 AM
Yes, manual = yolo and lose fast.

Ghost play on FastDice = not even yolo but lose even faster.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: debuni on December 30, 2015, 03:54:12 AM
In long run result is always -EV. In dice & similar.

But if you want to try for martingale or something similar, you could set your to multiple/dev depending on result and just sit and enjoy :) It's relaxing, at least for me.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: lolgato on December 30, 2015, 03:55:13 AM
I don't personally like to use the not as I like to stop immediately when I'm starting to lose a lot. ;)


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: bitcoinboy12 on December 30, 2015, 07:22:09 AM
For me i tried bot and manual like on dice i tried bot for auto betting but you lose very fast and you will never win
unlike in manual that you can control your self for being greedy and to lose your bet.
I can win in manual by selecting high or low if you feel that high will appear on the next bet i will choose high and bet high if lose i will tripple my bet if i lose again i will tripple the lose if i win i can control with my self for being greed so i will stop it if i got a good profit with my capital...
So its better to use manual than using bot or autobet..


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: Supercrypt on December 30, 2015, 07:31:10 AM
For me i tried bot and manual like on dice i tried bot for auto betting but you lose very fast and you will never win
unlike in manual that you can control your self for being greedy and to lose your bet.
I can win in manual by selecting high or low if you feel that high will appear on the next bet i will choose high and bet high if lose i will tripple my bet if i lose again i will tripple the lose if i win i can control with my self for being greed so i will stop it if i got a good profit with my capital...
So its better to use manual than using bot or autobet..

I also find unable to control our preference over automated betting. But sometimes I find useful in automated betting like a passive way of making money.
But after many testing that I have concluded that manual betting would be the better to make some profits.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: spiritual3 on December 30, 2015, 07:34:27 AM
I too saw..and feel..manual betting is the best.. Because i don't know why. But when i used bot.. it gave so many reds.. But with the same strategy, when i did manual .. it gave less reds than the bot.. May be it is because of the speed of the bot..


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: futurebit640 on December 30, 2015, 08:12:32 AM
I too saw..and feel..manual betting is the best.. Because i don't know why. But when i used bot.. it gave so many reds.. But with the same strategy, when i did manual .. it gave less reds than the bot.. May be it is because of the speed of the bot..

If you're talking about dice game than I don't think any difference between manual and bot because it is a system which generates random number so it should be same. Also if you want, you can also reduce or control the same from bots. It may be just you're imagination.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: raaajlucky on December 30, 2015, 08:54:31 AM
I too saw..and feel..manual betting is the best.. Because i don't know why. But when i used bot.. it gave so many reds.. But with the same strategy, when i did manual .. it gave less reds than the bot.. May be it is because of the speed of the bot..

If you're talking about dice game than I don't think any difference between manual and bot because it is a system which generates random number so it should be same. Also if you want, you can also reduce or control the same from bots. It may be just you're imagination.

Yes, there is not much difference in playing with bot and manual. In bot most of the options are available to control.


Title: Re: Is there any difference between bot and manual betting.?
Post by: tiggytomb on December 30, 2015, 11:42:15 AM
Your chances would be the same using a bot or doing it manually, the only thing that might change is that the bot will stick to what it is doing but you as a human may second guess or get nervous and change your betting pattern, but if you stick to the same strategy there should be no difference.