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Edit 12/22: I have got my $1000 USD back, furrycoat still pending.

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Liberty Payout
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=58854

Hey all, new to the forums here but I've done 3500+ USD from my newbie thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=105264.0

BCB No longer has ING so "Liberty Payout" Told me he can do BoA instant transfer. I checked his feedback from bitcoin-otc and posts on here and seems reliable. His replies were within 5 minutes while chatting and then he said he wanted the MTGOXUSD first, which as I am newer, I understood. I sent it in a PM and this time it took him 45 minutes to reply:

"Forwarded the code to my partner. If it's been used and you have not received payment yet it will definitely be credited within the hour. If not, I'll send you the difference in BTC."

At this point I started to get worried and I was going to write him if its not instant then forget it. I went to check on my code before his "partner" redeemed it but only seconds after that PM was sent it seemed to be used. It's been 3 hours since his last reply and I have still yet to get a reply from him, or anything in my bank account.

I thought this guy could be trusted? Granted I need to relax and give it time, but he did set himself a timeline (within 1 hour) and has not even replied to 2 PMs.

DELETED

I wasn't online. I ask that you excuse the delay as my partner is Jewish and was busy on the last day of Hanukkah. I see I have outstepped my timeframe and would be more than happy to send you a refund via btc. Send your address.

Just an update: I declined his BTC proposal, mostly because I dont want the mtgox fee and we are now waiting for his partner to get online and finish the transaction. I will adjust/delete this post accordingly after said transaction.

See here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0).

Interestingly he took away his vouch thread from his signature, where I had made people aware of this situation. I understand no one wants a bad image but to hide a situation in which you are involved in that makes you look bad from your own fault seems very shady.

Liberty I need an ETA or a BTC compensation that would adjust for any exchange or mtgox fee I may occur. I either need the $990 in my BOA as discussed or $1000 USD in my MtGox account (by code or BTC that will convert to $1000 USD instantly on mtgox)

He's declined my btc proposal and i dont personally own an mtgox account to generate the code. Proposals anyone? I'm not hiding anything but people are getting the wrong ideas for a situation pending settlement on the complainer's behalf. I've already got some random guy in irc calling me a scammer for currency I dont deal in. This thread has made me vulnerable and people are already taking advantage.

Just follow through your initial deal, or return his original MTGOXUSD in full. That should be fair enough for both parties.

Yeah. He's not asking for anything unfair like late fees. Send him the USD and Bitcoins to make up for the fees.

I will accept BTC if you send $1006 USD worth of BTC ($6 to cover my 0.06% mtgox fee to convert BTC to USD) at the going MtGox Instant 13.24 USD/BTC price (75.982 BTC). Please check the MtGox Rate at time of sending.

I am willing to accept no more than a $10 USD loss, so by the time MtGox gets the BTC in account and I do the instant conversation if I have less than $990 USD then I expect more BTC to be sent to make up for the difference. From sending to conversation takes 15-30 minutes and all you need is a 0.1 USD/BTC loss for it to lose $10 worth of value.

If that is acceptable, please check your PM for my direct MtGOx Deposit address and send ASAP.

All I want is $1000 USD MtGox back (not apparent $1000 USD worth of BTC) if the deal cannot go through.

Ill adress this when i get home.

Im dealing with Liberty Payout. Right now hes getting BTC for my visa prepaid gift but has to wait for his partner to finish the transaction. I do think he can be trusted, but I can tell you for sure after the tranaction is completed.

Hi, Liberty Payout!

Any update? You never addressed it.

Surely your Jewish partner has been around now. What is the hold up? I suggested 3 solutions to the problem and you took no action thus far.

Still waiting for my coins.. 500$ gone no BTC yet.. Hopefully his partner comes around soon.
EDIT: I watched him be online for 30+ minutes waiting for a response to my messages or a reply to this thread. Got neither, this isnt looking good..

I'm speechless with your bravery. Do notice that he hasn't addressed his previous transaction yet.  :-\

Liberty,

Something needs to be done. You have logged in since many of these replies and I've sent you numerous PMs. There is still time to fix this and clear your name, and potential more business to be done with me but if I don't get anything in the next 24 hours I can only seem you are a scammer. I will delete this thread once you finish the transaction and there will be no stain on your record.

I called this one months ago:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=84504.msg934113#msg934113

I was asked my opinion on LRP through email. He's slow to respond, and as before, I've advised the use of Escrow. Can't help you get your money back, sorry.

All times Pacific and date was today.

Liberty Payout is in for a lot of trouble. Me and Paroxsitic have contacted the FBI's Bureu of Internet Crime and filed a police report. Bitcoin OTC was kind enough to give us the offenders personal IP address. New Jersey, the home state of Liberty Payout happens to have some of the strictest laws in the country regarding internet fraud/crime. After the Bureu reviews the evidence they will be contacting websites used by the offender to get his exact location. Me and paroxistic have been speaking over the phone almost all day working this out, contacting agencies, getting evidence etc. I realize people rarely go to prison over Bitcoin scams but thats only because the victims dont know who to contact and they are never reported. My brother who is a internet defense attorney gave us all the places we need to contact to get this thing rolling. The only bad part about this whole scenario is that me and paroxistic will probably end up spending more in court fee's then we lost. Neverthless, once this is finished it will be one less scumbag scammer lurking these forums. Wish us luck!

I see a transaction in the #bitcoin-otc Web of Trust (WoT) using Xoom.


 - http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=LRP

That will help provide identity (or lead to more info if further details are needed).

Unfortunately, I trusted this guy because of his few good ratings (he was using the name LRP at the time, which it turns out is one of many names he uses.) I was new to #bitcoin-otc, and like a complete moron I sent him 73 bitcoins, almost $1000 worth. Should have held out for someone with a better rating.

The Transaction (blockchain.info) (https://blockchain.info/tx/174046a31e0f263d93d800f7454c9bbb74d5160573c4074280fb4d0f0abd07a5)

Two days later he starts getting all these bad ratings. He'll probably come back under a new name.

#bitcoin-otc Nick History (http://66.68.146.89/otc/?*76.124.34.93*)

You can see his history of names there. Looks like he's too stupid to change his IP address between nick changes, leaving a lot of potentially useful history.

He claimed on Monday he would be sending the money as cash-in-the-mail to my PO box on Tuesday (yesterday). Still hoping this is all some big misunderstanding and my cash will show up, though very unlikely at this point.

Oh wow.  That's one of those impersonation attempts.  (using a slight variation of a nick of a user with a good trust history).

Jeez he sure did cash out. So he made at least 2500$ off scams who knows how much more we dont know about. What a scumbag, I gave him a bitcoin for his "help" before he ripped me off of 500$.

see here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=85381.0

Any updates on this issue? Is the Unsure part removable now?

This is really weird.

I have switched the topic to confirmed, albeit I know this means I might not ever get paid by him now unless I involve help, which I plan to do.

He has used the nick Azelphur_ trying to impersonate Azelphur, oddly enough someone he actually did a transaction on XOOM with (source: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=LRP)

Thus hopefully Azelphur can let me know any identifying information and I can bring him to justice. I know with great certainty his IP is 76.124.34.93 which indicates he is from the Philadelphia/new jersey area as the IP is a comcast IP from a NJ headquarter, and some results indicate PA or NJ from records. He has also indicated he lives in Philadelphia.

I have already contacted comcast but haven't got a reply but I think if I get a court order I can get his information from Comcast, or at least MtGox. MtGox has told me they will give me the details of his account if I got a court order as well.

It would make the court/police proceedings much easier if I just had a name and address to go with, instead of an IP address and internet handle, so hopefully one of his previous customers will raise up and let us know any information so we can proceed to get our money back.

He was impersonating me? friendly.

Anyway, I keep getting messages from people asking me to identify him (at least 5 now) so I'd just like to make this clear
Xoom anonymizes transactions, I have no information to give, sorry!

okay, this user, his name is Kirch123 on exchangemoneyforum.com. His name is also Joshua Murphy. His updated yahoo is verizon4824. i linked his ip and everything together

I will confirm with the forums owner, I have already noticed he had registered on it with "Liberty Payout" in the past and already sent an email a few hours ago. I also asked anyone who has ever had him on skype to let me know his skype too.

Edit:

Seems your information is wrong.

http://exchangemoneyforum.com/showthread.php/135359-Need-Buy-Moneypak-URGENT

Here is Kirch123 calling out someone with the verizon4824 yahoo name.

Also Kirch123 is involved with this thread: http://exchangemoneyforum.com/showthread.php/135967-Selling-Moneypak-with-receipts-and-without
In which an associate of Liberty Payout "moneypak" is trying to sell MP and Kirch123 is wary, and then later Liberty vouches for him, saying he made an account for moneypak just to vouch from him.  Then Kirch123 doubts Liberty Payouts vouch : http://cl.ly/image/0M370j3P0m30. If they were the same person why would he do that?  Later on though "Liberty Payout" calls moneypak a scammer on bitcointalk. None the less I added moneypak's skype to see if he will give up any information on Liberty Payout

Furthermore, Joshua Murphy seems to be : http://www.facebook.com/Joshuam319  which indicates he lives in North Carolina according to a lot of sites, thus cannot be Liberty Payout as he lives in the PA/NJ area.

Jimmysmith isn't who he says he is:

http://cl.ly/image/2V2R3F0m0V0D
http://cl.ly/image/2e2j3I3e1h17
http://cl.ly/image/2s1N1J2v3Y2Z

He is saying he is zapsoda on bitcoin-otc but the verified zapsoda denies that's him.

^^ this person is not zapsoda

his sig:

the real zapsoda, in #bitcoin-otc

gribble confirms zapsoda is the real one


see also https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=128570.msg1406508#msg1406508

His skype is stutihebest he gave me this before he scammed me, I never talked to him over it tho.

Thanks, I see when he talks to "moneypak" here:

http://pastebin.com/5E4VXnNe

also this:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=121249.0

Update: I have filed a police report with my county sheriffs office. He seemed hopeful they can get a search warrant for comcast and to give up the IP information. Both his new and old IP (all your aliases on bitcoin-otc don't hide you). It takes a few days for me to get the report and then I will show mtgox.


Liberty Payout , it's not too late to pay back the money owed. Fraud charges on your record is not worth $1000. Think it through.

Someone on otc with the nick LRP has been scamming on otc.  IP links back to Liberty Reserve's Philly Location.

Some nice progress coming along in the case, honestly though, Liberty Payout has got to be the most idiotic scammer ever. He's scammed thousands of dollars, which is a felony, and does not even cover basic things like IP. Won't be long till the cops come knocking..

I have nothing to hide by changing my IP. My wallat.dat was corrupt so I was unable to auth for a while, hence the nickname changes. I'm not sure if you can see message history on OTC but I never tried to impersonate anyone. Seitsu, my OTC disconnected and when I came back to get your address again I couldn't not find you. In addition to that it's been a busy week. Furrycoat, I'm not sure you can check transaction logs on your prepaid but I suggest you do, I held your card for days and not a dime went missing. As soon as I go missing for three days I'm being accused of scamming half of the OTC?

This, I tend to be a little slow when it comes to keeping up with the internet and my own life.

Hey man, I apologize I know how weary you were when trading. My OTC disconnected and I didn't have logs. When I came to get your address I couldn't find your nick. But now you can PM me here.

I'm going to go do other things with my life. I'll be back, try not to contact Obama while I'm gone.

So you're leaving for a while with everyones BTC/cash?

I've had it for a while and no harm has come to it, so until they return. Yes.

I have received $1000 USD MtGox code and my situation is settled. If furrycoat confirms everything is good with him, I'll delete this post.

paroxsitic

Don't delete the post.  Just note which issues have been resolved.  LRP (Liberty Payout) actions should be noted.

seisatsu,

Did you receive your funds?

Liberty Payout WAS trying to scam. He did CLEAR my Visa account to the last penny. I know for a fact 100% sure he is a scammer the only reason he gave back money is because me and paroxistic got a search warrant on his comcast giving his name, location, family members. We had to threaten him with pressing charges to get our money back. Charges are still pending until Seisatso revieves his money back.

I was not trying to scam, when dealing with cards like that you spend the total before sending the payment to ensure that there is no funny business on the other side. You have been threatening to press charges for  days, I could care less. You want $500 in bitcoins for a $500 giftcard no one wanted. I did you a favor by finding someone to exchange it. You got $425 in bitcoins after the 15% processing fee. If you are still unhappy you may go ahead and press charges but you will not be getting a dime more. As for Seistu I've already explained his situation to him and that exchange is a separate matter.

I lost his address when the client closed. I need his PO box.

For documentation:

For documentation:

Yes document it all you want. Osa Ekhator.

By the way that "quote" from me is only half true. Thats not siesatsu's address I gave you... Very strange that you changed it. his address is 137ssxAFfmowUdh5mKacnDfgkC5wKM1Qoh

He is claiming he stole only 425$ when it was 496$.

I think it's safe to say furrycoat is hostile to resolve the issue.

Admin feel free to make the necessary ramifications, I've finished dealing with this member.

Although the person you have mentioned below is not me, it is somebody somewhere. Releasing personal information on the forums is last I checked reason for a ban.

The complete $500 was debited by the card, but admin is free to look through his PMs and see that the agreed exchange was not for 1:1. I informed you there would be fees and you obliged.

Your finished dealing with me? Ok we'll see about that.

EDIT: Admin please do look at the PM's. You can read how he asked for my Visa registration, logged in emptied it, said I would get my funds the next day then didnt log on until he was presented with being thrown in prison for Fraud.

Are you reading what you're typing? How would I have known I was going to be thrown into prison if I hadn't logged in and checked my account? What fraud? You gave me the card information and everything else. You received $425 in bitcoins, if you are unsatisfied return them and I will return your visa giftcard, with all charges refunded.

Liberty, your making yourself look like a idiot. Its a well known fact any messages received can be read through email. Its also a well known fact you are a scammer on these forums, and its useless arguing with you. You have been warned of the consequences.

I have thousands of dollars in transactions under my belt and will continue to make more transactions on here. Regardless of what one greedy idiot says. You're issue is that you're trying and failing miserably to extort a 1:1 visa to bitcoin deal from me, and you know no one will ever agree to those terms.

As stated before I've done my part to resolve the case and issued alternatives to the above party. If he does not agree I cannot help him.

Lmao I think the days of "transactions" are over with for you. Just read the only voucher left on his signature to know that. Like I stated before, im done arguing. I have been in contact with visa since the scam took place, they actually called me after you emptied my balance because they found it strange coming from an IP from Philidelphia when I live in California. Im not going to argue about IF you scammed. Its a fact. The evidence gave to the police is plenty enough for them to get a search warrant and release your personal information. You have 24 hours for my money and Seisatsu money to be returned.

This is from siesatsu's http://pastie.org/private/7q5hiiaunhw47dnngzk2lq

Sorry Liberty Payout

You are not to be trusted.

It is also pretty clear from you OTC ratings that no one else trust you either.

id    rater nick    rater total rating    rated nick    created at
(UTC)    rating    notes
18848    fbastage    27    LRP    2012-12-19 23:57:03    -10    scammer. scammed Seisatsu and bottles, more accusations on bitcointalk (Liberty Payout) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131107.0
18849    aethero    482    LRP    2012-12-19 23:58:12    -10    Sent me the currupted and most likely hostile wallet.dat file
18934    RBecker    1    LRP    2012-12-22 15:40:56    -10    Scammer - Not to be trusted
18935    meti    1    LRP    2012-12-22 15:45:54    -10    Scammer - Not to be trusted
18933    bcb    180    LRP    2012-12-22 15:40:06    -5    Hightly Unreliable - Not to be trusted
18812    BeholdGlow    1    LRP    2012-12-19 09:21:46    -1    likely scammer
17838    Azelphur    205    LRP    2012-11-23 18:34:59    1    Bought BTC from me via Xoom.
13010    ataranlen    21    LRP    2012-07-24 19:50:56    2    High value ($2000+) transaction. Took 5 days to deliver gift cards. Escrow recommended
16706    beeteecee    12    LRP    2012-10-30 19:08:12    4    good buyer, returned some unexpected expense from my side, very honest

No, it's not.

I have gave him a time frame to pay me back what I lost (71$), and refund Seisatsu BTC. He sure does talk nasty considering I have all his personal information down to his street address. Not only will I give it to the police and press charges, I will post it on these forums for all those who have been scammed by Liberty Payout to pay a visit.

The time frame can end here. Post whatever you want.

Liberty Payout is Osa Ekhator.

He has two Nigerian parents fathers name is Moses Ekhator and mother Augustina Ehator.

He has two sisters one is named Vera Ekhator, and the other is Fumnanya Ekhator.

He lives 437 Orchard Ave Lansdowne, PA

Do you want me to call momma at (610) 622-7992?

Truly, stupid.

Osa,

Time to pay up.

This information, is unphasing. He's still not getting a penny more. Take that to whoever you want, I could care less.

Petty, peice of shit scammer, I'l see you in court.

If you cant understand.

           ME: 71$
           Seisatsu:1000$

Now that you have his info it's pretty easy to file a small claim in PA.  Then when he loses if he does not pay they will attach his wages and taxes refunds.

I have no association with the above people. Someone has obviously capitalized on your desperate vulnerability and sold you the wrong information. If you would still like to take me to court, that's fine. But you're going to need my actual info first.

Bye bitcointalk, I'm leaving for the holidays  :-*.

He's also a racist.

Im not racist, but your a nigger.

I'm not surprised. This wouldn't be the first time you've lied.

https://i.imgur.com/9btWw.png?1

Liberty Payout has payed me back my money,

STILL waiting on Liberty Payout to pay back Seisatsu

EDIT: Charges WILL be pressed if money is not returnned to Siesatsu

"I have no association with those people... but let me pay you back just to be nice."

come on.  scammer tag.

Liberty Payout never returned my 1000$, Im still in the process of contacting police but in the meantime I suggest he is marked with scammer tag.

Siesatsu

Do you have any chat logs?

I sure do http://pastie.org/private/7q5hiiaunhw47dnngzk2lq