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Do your own research when speculating in altcoins as you could lose a lot of money if you're not careful.  That said, research is only part of it.  You should also need to learn how to trade and be able to know when to get in a coin and when to go out.  In short, you should have a trading strategy that fits your personality.  That only comes with practice and experience.

Some Ethereum info:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4wVqt8CcAA-cVY.png
Website:  Ethereum (https://www.ethereum.org)
Currency:  ETH
Funding:  31,531 BTC from ICO
Chart (https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ethereum/#charts)
Blog (https://blog.ethereum.org)
Team (https://dev.ethereum.org/#team)

If there was any question as to who Satoshi really is, Ethereum removes all doubt.  ;D

...and I got in as an early adopter with a nice little stash going.  :P

I'm happy I bought some eth a while ago  :P

voted yes.

eth is going up because of all the "bitcoins is dead" and classic and blalala.

i hope the price will be stable after btc has recovered.

You don't think ETH is up on it's own merit?

I saw it leap at Polo - and there I was, thinking it would top out again at 0.004...

Good news, if it holds!.  Its got a looooong way to go to kick BTC off that throne though.

every altcoin is connected with BTC.
and eth will always be in the shadow of btc as long as btc does not tumble.
but i think btc will fall soon when the block size stays at 1mb. then time is ready for eth.

Where does everyone buy ethereum? Thanks in advance  :)

 


Just PM Spoetnik, he is selling them under the table. For every 1000 Ether you buy, you get a free mug with Joseph Goebbels and his family on it!

Poloniex is also a good place, but no mug.

You can get it on nearly all exchanges. Of course try to use some of the more established exchanges, like Kraken, Poloniex or Bittrex.

Where do people even buy ethereum shit coin?

It literally isn't available on any of the exchanges that matter. It's not Chinese exchanges (which basically means any other exchange it is on is automatically worthless/meaningless), not on BTC-e, not on Coinbase.

What other crap exchanges are there that people use? Probably available on Craptsy or Kraken, equally shit exchanges. Lol.

Do you even reading comprehension bro? See the post above yours.

He did read it and called those exchanges garbage. I would not use any of those exchanges either...

I would recommend using Shapeshift.io to get some.

Did you know right now the DEV for the shitcoin you are talking about, is right now offering a solution to the BTC community?

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/428tjl/softforking_the_block_time_to_2_min_my_primarily/



BTW... why would you start a thread, and lock it so nobody can reply? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1338399.0

Only likes Chinese exchanges, believes in censorship... nothing to see here, huh little Emperor?

PM you for Investment Opportunities? Here's one for you little Emperor... LTC is no longer a hedge.

If I remember right, but not 100% sure, ETH still has a massive premine that is still being held dormant. I do think that this fact is already priced into ETH's value but IMO this skews the "market cap" similar to the way paycoin xpy was.

In these cases I think it is a better comparison to calculate the market cap off of only the free range coins that are out in the wild.

For example say I made a coin with a 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 coin premine and then gave away 2 of these coins. 1 of these coins makes its way onto yobit and is bought at .01 BTC. Wallah, my coin has the highest marketcap but it is meaningless..

Anyway yes I am sorry I missed the train on this one but I still am not going to be buying in to hold. I also think people have a misconception about ETH.

From what I know ETH s to be used as a token to operate the ethereum network, and is not designed and intended to be used as a currency. Polo requires 500 confirmations on ETH for god sakes.

I wish all you ETH investors good luck but I don't believe it will maintain these high prices for long and definitely do not believe it is a challenger to BTC in any way. It is a very interesting concept and is a great advancement in cryptocurrency technology but I believe for this technology to be fully successful it will have to be done on the BTC blockchain itself and that if this tech turns out to be very useful and in demand that it will happen as BTC matures.

ETH is a very good speculation vehicle for the time being though. I should be daytrading it on Polo but cryptsy has me a bit disgusted with the whole scene now and I can't bring myself to stare at the numbers.. Maybe I will go back to it sometime.

At least somebody here has a clue.

Well if finally happened.
It really annoys me seeing litecoin so high. The coin has not been developed or had any innovations the last years.

Maybe because many people still hangs on to the notion that LTC is silver to BTC's gold.

Because China.

Ripple next.  Ethereum will be number 2 crypto behind bitcoin before january ends.

i believed thread like this would hype this get rich quick scam and nothing more to it. also, again and again, there is no consumer level of adoption for this scam coin and never will be, it's all about hype and manipulations. this coin is way too late for the consumer level to notice it existent, ah, with the nonsense name to considered. i wouldn't hold this get rich quick manipulation scam more than an hour. why i would call this coin a get rich quick scam? it's a premined get rich quick scam and there is nothing to it, there will be many alike etheorium to come and it hype/the whales would moving on. the scam whales moving from bittrex to this coin and it's the only way they can make money right now. the whale/rich people are rich for a reason, they wouldn't hold anyone dirty bag. i have seen this scam fake buy walls before, it's from 3000btc to 1300btc and from 3000btc to 800btc, in an instant. if people stop the hype and trading the whales and insiders would dumping this scam to nothing. i will never replying to thread like this about this scam anymore. good luck trading or cry holding dirty panties.

Thank you for responding, I will check it out.

Sure.  But see this...  You could have made some BTC trading the price move.  That's all to it. 

We'll see.  Not too sure about that.

like i said, i wouldn't hold this premined scam coin for more than an hour even though i made less profits but my profits is 100% secured. ;)
ah, dammit i did replied. haha

Hold for a bit longer and you profit more.  ;)

That's why I love all altcoins, scam or legit.  They are an opportunity for profit.  And I encourage everyone to buy in, especially when there's an uptrend.  More players helps for a stronger trend.  ;)

it's simple, you hold a bit longer and you risk more, this could translating to making more btc or losing more btc. all scam coins are the same even though bagholders try to colored or labeled them differently, this premined scam is no different. there will always be the next one in line

Yup.  More opporunity.  That's exactly what I love about it.  Scam or legit, I don't care, as long as volume and liquidity are good.  We can go either long or short.

What was the ipo price

.0005 BTC

+1. Just ride along with it and get off when you think you made some profit, scam or legit doesn't matter.

We will definitely see a dump over the next weeks but long-term Ethereum will be number two in market cap behind Bitcoin.

I could see a dump incoming in a while now.

Looks like it's happening.  We'll see if Eth goes to no. 2 and holds.

Lol benthach.   I still wish I could repeatedly kick you in the face until you die but I'm starting to feel kind of sorry for you these days.  Chin up. 

Correction incoming.

Eth rise is too fast and too sharp. There will be a major correction when the coin goes down sharply. Maybe we could go down to 0.003 again before it goes up again.

I like etherum conception and idea and I see there is big potencial in it. So todayt I bough 180 Ethereums

I think Ethereum Idea has very big potencial. It can encourage many developers to create more and more usefull software products in one network and we the users can buy this products using ethercoins. It sounds really splendid I am ready to give a chance to Ethercoin. So my vote is one big UP!

I'm so impressed I started running a full node.  8)

Etherum killer of ltc? :D

Ethereum seems a better choice than litecoin which is pretty much the same as bitcoin but less popular.

Because it is a good solid altcoin with real purpose not some shitty scam coin.  and the devs behind it are some of the greatest crypto minds out there.

I'm just thinking about investing in Ethereum.
What is your price expectation?

I actually asked "Where" not "Why".  Thank you though, i found Kraken easy to use.

you don't have to feel sorry for me as i have not lose any money in this premined scam

Sold ICO coins ... but when to buy back?  ::)

Did you guys see the volume on Polo just now? Well over 10,000BTC!

Is that an exchange record?

Dump incoming?

I just passed Vitalik on the highway...

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--PnAvlSLd--/18ay27a39vaz2jpg.jpg

I kid, I kid...

LOL!  I spit my coffee.

Oh that is great lmao

Did it ever overtake XRP for any amount of time? I voted "maybe"

Alright well, in that case I take back my sympathy.  The rest of what I said still stands

ETH to moon!

ETH could go back below .0050

it wouldn't surprise me if it below .0005 in a year as these scammers keep coming up empty hand with their promised tech

What makes you say that? Do you think it is overvalued or undervalued?

Don't embarrass yourself further

it is a premined scam and it have no value in my book

Yeah and to be honest, in my view Ripple is not a real crypto currency at all. It’s centralized. If you include Ripple in the coin market cap you can include Paypal or Amazon points as well…

So in fact Ether is already in my view at the second place an it’s here to stay. I don’t expect Litecoin will recover the distance between Litcoin and Ether will increase even further. 

Ether soon will be centralized if they sticking with the promised, or it will dragin' on for years

If executed properly, ripple consensus algorithm has the potential for atleast moderate decentralization unlike the current paypal or amazon payment systems.

Yeah, but I still don’t like this setup around the Ripple Foundation.
The even hired the old politician Karl Josef zu Guttenberg clearly a guy that promotes the New World Order.

My only concern on this is a little hiccup where profit takers will just create major sell walls to take advantage of its recent rise. If they're not ETH holders/believers they might be in just for the short profit. But that will only be momentary since true strength will push through.

This could be a first sign ALTS will rise again!?
I love alts you can buy it cheap and after some time you sell it with very good profit.

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Looks like it got 2nd place once again.

Volume of trade is astonishing !
Price will probably more rise!? Need to see second wing of the graf..
https://www.bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-ETH

MUCH ETHEREUM WOW

wait, does this mean that ethereum is bitcoin2.0?

Looks like ethereum is now number 2 and could overtake bitcoin!!!!

I remember the days when people were paying $100 for aurora coin. They said it overtake bitcoin too.

Yeah I remember those days...

That is no way to talk to a gentleman of the future wealthy elite.  I bid you good day sir!

Ethereum is the second largest crypto currency now. I think it could even reach $1 billion market cap later this year.

Later this month the way things are currently progressing.

That is too quick. If the price of Ethereum reaches $13, there will be a big dump after that.

How do you know?

At the moment the price is stuck under 6$, and it's not going anywhere at the moment.

I think it will rise till the weekend and then drops again.

It will probably hold its 2nd place position for a while now, however if bagholders start to dump, it will probably go way down

Oh look you were totally wrong.

There is a big possibility it will we are only in the third month of the year but it is almost half way in the one billion mark you do not need an expert opinion to see that it can breach the 1 billion provided that the activity will stay the same..

The Ethereum has great future. It is still in the very early development stage and has achieved a lot.

Yes etherum has grown to a larger extent and is currently placed in TOP 3 list

I can see only a few coins having potential to reach TOP 3

However as i was saying in my earlier posts ETH has rosen by 8 times within a month and hence there is room for downfall !

I think you are just spamming to get btc from your sig campaign, what would you say to that?

I think the Ethereum will grow stronger and stronger as it willl be developed further and it also has good community.

The price of the Ethererum dropped from $11 to about $8 now. But it is still the largest altcoins. It has quite good community.

still in the second spot, i'm not sure they are playing with the market and manipulating it to accumulate or it is really dropping to 0.01

I think the Ethereum will be the second coin for very long term. It is quite difficult for it to be higher than bitcoin.

The Ethereum price has dropped 50% from the peak. But it is still the second largest coin in the world.

There is no way Etherum is going kick bitcoins off its throne.

Eth is a flawed scammy ipo coin.  See the ethereum paradox thread and wake the f up people.
Get out.

I checking https://www.coingecko.com/en
Still .2 on coingecko but maybe not for too long

As I predicted some weeks ago, the price is collapsing. The early hype made a lot of people blind. It is like for every new hyped coin. The pattern is always the same. Another factor is the high inflation. The current fair price of Ethereum is somewhere between $2 and $3.

The price is still around the 0.02x. If it is 20% down from here, I still think it is collapsing. That is normal behaviour.

I agree as well...  Seems to keep defying predictions about it collapsing.

The Ethereump price is still above $8. That is more than 10 times the price early in the year. So it is a good achievement.

I think it is nearing its equilibrium price, maybe by July it will have settled down somewhere in a normal trading range. It was too soon to be valued over $10, but with the increased interest in Eth and now with the funding of DAOs, I think sub $5 is also too low. Somewhere in between these two points is probably its fair value for now, so I am going to say $7-8 is its fair trading range.

For the next few months, if the price is over this range it is good time to sell, if the price goes under it is a good time to buy.

It's already 2nd by a long way.

Ripple is pretty much dead right now. No web clients available, that's a huge disadvantage for them.

So we can do some range trading now. When the price drops to $8, we can buy. When it is $10, we will sell.

That range could he broken. 

What's up with Ether? The prices are still going up. Good signs. :)

Edit: The prices is now same as March 2016 period.

It would be excellent if the price can reach the all time high of 0.037 bitcoin again. That will boost the confidence.

When was this ATH achieved?

What's causing the sudden rise in prices?

It could be due to the Slock DAO. But the price has stopped rising, It already dropped from 0.034 to 0.030.

I've sold some ether for some mini profits. It has probably reached the peak of the routine manipulation by the whales. I guess need to wait for the next wave.

But the price just rose around 60% from the recent lows. It is not a big profit for the whales, they want more.

The price just dropped 30% from the recent high. So the Ethereum price is consolidating at the moment.

I think it will drop to around 0.015, that was the price before the rise about a months ago. The could be the bottom.

What is Ripple? Never heard of it but it was one of the top 5 market cap! Why was it relatively unknown?

It is a centralised digital currency. Some banks use it for testing transfer of money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripple_(payment_protocol)

The price of Ethereum is still around 0.025 bitcoin. It dropped from the 0.031 recent high. But it has risen to $14.5.

The price is 0.023 now. But the dollar price is still around $14. The drop is because of the rise of bitcoin.

Ethereum is stable at second on coinmarketcap.com because volume of trade are big and price of ethereum between $13-$14. But Let's wait until halving block of bitcoin.

The price of Ethereum is around $19.5 now. It has risen quite a lot in the last few weeks. It is in good demand.

Ether now approaching $20 https://www.coingecko.com/en/price_charts/ethereum/usd

Who is actually spending their bitcoin on eth when you can hold btc instead? Are people currently buying straight into it from fiat or are they giving up precious btc in order to board the eth train? At this point in time i wouldnt dare move my bitcoin into something like that.

It seems like a lot of the volume is traders looking to hedge some Bitcoin positions. Volume is fairly low for Eth though - which is very different from their previous run ups where we saw big spikes in ETH/BTC volume. Mostly it is just that Eth holders are not selling at all while Bitcoin runs up, so they are both going up in terms of fiat.

Honestly, it is the macro economic situation that is the main driver. People are nervous about holding fiat (USD, EUR and CNY all have major issues). Gold, bitcoin and eth are all looking like good bets in comparison.

I wouldn't mind hedging a bit in eth since i sold all my mined coins already for way less but there's no way in giving up any bitcoin to do i,   so looks like im staying full btc.  :P

I am different. I am still mining the Etheruem. But I sell some for bitcoin and keep some, just in case the price explode.

Its funny, because I would like to build a bigger Bitcoin position, but there I don't feel like I want to give up my ETH to do it since I think there is more potential there ;)

Its all good though - I think it is a very positive thing for crypto to have two viable high volume coins.

I am still mining also but i think it's been 7  weeks now since i hit a block so I'm giving it up as soon as i hit the next block.


I never thought of it being the other way round lol,  good for both i suppose.

Interesting article about a found vulnerability in the DAO and an apparently wide spread problem with various ethereum developers work. You would think it would affect price in the negative direction; but, the opposite happens.

http://www.coindesk.com/leaderless-dao-put-test-following-reported-ethereum-vulnerability/

DGD is severely undervalued and when listed on POLONIEX it will multiply in value.

Oh my got and i sold over hundres of them on 9.$ :D :D  :'(

ETH has been trending really well vs fiat and seems to be seeing a $2 billion market cap on the horizon.  This is probably due to a 'sympathetic rise' all because BTC is rising.  As we've seen time and time again, when BTC rises, most of crypto rises too vs fiat.

But I think it would be wise not to touch your BTC, if you already are holding that to limit your risk vs fiat.  But if you want to profit in BTC, ETH/BTC isn't trending yet.  So it's a wait and see in the sidelines for now.

If you're into fiat profit, the entry point, or at least my entry point in ETH was at 12.50 - 13.00 as I mentioned weeks ago.  The first time it broke 12.50 - 13.00, I got in but got stopped out days later due to a dump.  Then again, it broke above 12.50 - 13.00 again so I got in, and I'm still holding ETH for the time being.

Finally, I want to ask what you guys think.  Will ETH reach and go beyond $2 billion in market cap?

Its good that eth has gone up and all but surely everyone sees that eth is not supposed to be at that value if it's too be used the way it was intended,  the price has been purely speculative and once it begins to get used properly the price is going to plummet down to sensible prices so eth can actually be used properly.  With the supply it has its simply not going to be as highly priced as bitcoin because it's not supposed to be.

Just completed all my sells of ETH.  Although I didn't lose anything in fiat value, I may have lost a bit in BTC value.  Because if I held all BTC instead of holding some ETH, I might have gained a little bit in fiat value.  I'll check later again if it is so.

This is one of the times where I didn't follow my trading rules and actually panicked.

Now the game plan is to look into shorting ETH.  It looks ripe for the picking.

My opinion price of ethereum is going down, because of efect of DAO but it is just short time then it will become sideaway before the price of ethereum going up.

But imo, no one should risk holding ETH right now.  Perception is everything in crypto since it's all taken in with doubt at this point.  So the better move is to be on the safe side and wait on the side line.  The best move is to take a small position and go short.  There's no use in increasing your downside volatility by holding ETH. It's all written all over that it is going to fall...  In fact it is falling.  Why would a trader want to go long on that?

Eth~~~~ 0.0173

Bitcoin is going to implement SegWit soon. That will involve may coding, there could be problem. If it happen, people will come back to Etheruem.

0.5 1 USD before 2017. :D

In all the panic from yesterday i was actually going to buy a few eth at around 0.021 last night in the hope that by this morning it would have shot back up to 0.027 but looks like its lucky i never. Looks as though eth might be heading on a downwards spiral if people keep dumping their coins. Nice to watch from the sidelines though, anything could happen still.

I have some limit order set at 0.015. It might be filled in the next few days. If it does not get filled, Etheruem has some hope.

I was going to set a limit order at 0.015 as well since thats what price i originally sold out at and was a bit gutted when it went up to 0.03 or wherever it went  but then after some thought on the matter i decided that if the price did happen to drop down to 0.015 then chances are its going to continue to drop and id end up just being a bag holder. hence i decided against buying any at all =p

I think more of that will be price of ethereum.. and i think 0.008 or below is the best to set it for ethereum..Many people are saying this is the same as other currency or this is scamcoin..  And i think they DAo and Eth devs are the same person. thats why the price of ethereum like dao are decreases..

Is it good to buy DAO with Ethereum now? You can make 100% profit when the DAO are converted back to Etheruem.

That could be the reason the DAO price increased to 0.65% eth. But if the miners do not agree with soft fork, the price will drop.

If there is no hard fork, the DAO owner will lose 30%, or they will get 0.7%. The price currently is 0.061%. This indicates the HF might not happen.

For the miners and for the Ethereum holders who are not DAO holders, it is better to soft fork, but not hard fork.

You ended the poll without getting any vote, Total Voters: 0, most of people here determine the price in bitcoin and not in fiat. The recent crash of bitcoin made etherum to be pumped higher. For a week the ETH price dropped from 0.027 to 0.017 at the moment and for the next week i think the price will be near 0.02BTC

The Ethereum price is 0.023 at the moment. It rose a lot in the last few days. Maybe people still have confidence.

The Ethereum price is very volatile at the moment. but it is understandale. It is recovering from the recent hack.

ETH wasn't hacked. Or even attacked. FFS.

To me, there is no difference if the DAO or the Ethereum is attacked. For the time being, DAO is the biggest application of Eth.

Somebody wants the DAO to be destroyed, then the Ethereum to be destroyed. But Etheruem has a strong community.

After the Ethereum survive the current crisis, it could be a good candidate for the biggest altcoin to bitcoin.

i think the Price can increase again uppon 20$ until the halving is there  ;)

$20 is nothing compared to the price of the bitcoin of $650 at the moment. The daily price fluctuation is more than that.

If the Ehtereum recovers from the DAO hack crisis and the price starts to rise, it will be at least $50 in the short term.

it depends on the community support. If the crisis is resolved properly, the community still trusts the developers, the price will rise.

I can't see past ether trading in a $8 to $12 range for the foreseeable future. There is just no meaningful bullish trigger to look forward to in the near term

no, not at all.
ethereum is not your normal altcoin that you can see on the market it is so different from any other. because there are people who have millions of dollars invested in it (poloniex exchanger included) who control the price and will pump it when the time is right even if nobody is interested in it anymore.

If you are sure some people will pump it, you can buy some at low price and sell them when it is pumped.

After the Hard Fork the price may go down for a while, them it will come up again as there are many big players that we don't imagine on it.

That could happen. It depends on the Ethereum community support. If people still support it, the price will go up.

I reckon there are enough useful idiots to keep this way above $600 million for the forseeable future.  Bitcoin has not seen $1250 since MtGox from 2013, and sites like Google trends indicates it's less popular today, and yet it's still kicking at $600-something.

I would not underestimate the "network" effect to keep a legacy coin going.  After all no innovation no development no community no users Litecoin is still worth more than most alternates.

http://coinjournal.net/smart-contract-disasters-may-inevitable-ethereum/

Inevitable disasters to come

There is a possibility that the bitcoin will see $1500 some time next year. If the Etheruem is not dead next year, the price will be $100.

Introducing Ethereum Classic

https://github.com/ethereumclassic/README

This coin has a very contentions and rough future ahead and will split.

anybody have info about ETH hardfork ??? today ETH drop again  ???

What?!

Doesn't sounds you read what I wrote.  Bitcoin has yet to recover to MtGox $1250.  Just like Ethereum hasn't recovered to $19 DAO.  Price speculations above ATH are rather pointless, especially when we have metrics available like "Google Trends" suggesting Bitcoin has lost popularity since 2013. 

The bitcoin market cap has risen a lot over the last two years, it is almost all time high. I believe it will reach ATH some time next year.

$664 Bitcoin is not "almost" $1250.  Bitcoin is only 53.12% of its' ATH back in December 2013.   ;D

Bitcoin is never going up past $1250 because the MtGox news was mainstream and its' fallout was very destructive.  Time will tell about Ethereum's DAO but I suspect people won't forget about $150 million being put at risk.  Move on to better projects and I don't mean Steemit which also got hacked too.

Yes all the hacking is destroying the reputation of different altcoins and platforms causing to lose their value. But this is also good because now we know that they are not secure. So now I am wondering what your suggestions are for better projects to move on to. Do you think Ardor is aomething we should be following? It has caught my eye lately.

Security can be destructive for reputation.  Marketable security will probably take years and require zero-incident history.  When the market is all about <6 months movements, you have to essentially buy something (perhaps Ardor), hold for years and pray there will be no breeches.

The $1200 price was a very big bubble. The 200 day moving average price was much lower than that value.

I think the Ethereum could rise if there is a big concensus of the mining community that they support the hard fork.

Many big pools have decided to accept the hard fork due to the vote by the miners. So hard fork could happen.

The price of the Ethereum is rising at the moment. So the hard fork is quite successful and the funds will be returned.

That remains to be seen.  But if you mean that in a way that there were no technical problems, then yes.  It's good.  But in the longer term it's still arguable what the impact of something like this on the platform.  I guess it will take another serious highly rated project to exploit by the attacker.  Let's see what the founders do then.

Even if the hard fork turns out to be successful in the next few days which im sure there wont be any technical problems due to the fork, the main problem is the amount of people that will have lost faith in ethereum forever now. Even if price recovers completely i would be hesitant to ever buy into it since the hardfork basically made the decentralisation pointless. Just imagine if we voted to delete satoshis coins, there would be many dramas and such a thing shouldnt be done especially since the "hacker" didnt technnically do anything wrong.

What is the reasonable price of Ethereum after the hard fork? I think it could be $15 due to the dump of the DAO ethereum.

The free market determines the reasonable price, and it looks like the hard fork was priced in before it happened. You do not see investors who were refunded dumping their Ether so far. The price of Ether even rose immediately after the hard fork.

That is because most of the ethers invested came from the people from the Ethereum Foundation and their insider friends. Why do you think there was a hard fork in the first place? Also it is against their self interest to dump those ethers now. But I feel sorry for them because their original plan with the DAO is not doable anymore whatever that plan is.

No argument here. However the Ethereum community is quite different from bitcoiners and people have short memories.

You fellas really need to get over the hard fork. Ideological 'purity' won't cut it in the real world of money.

Money was tainted from the beginning and always will be.

USD$100 in 12 months. These are the days (like BTC was a few years ago) when you can mine 1 ETH a day with a few GPU cards. It won't stay like that for long.

More FUD from a typical Spoetniktard... If you don't know what their plan is how can you proclaim to know whether or not it is doable?!?

In a way it's best if the dao was strangled before it got going.

How many successful crypto investments have there ever been?

Maybe less than twenty out of the countless thousands.

Why should it have been? If we all stayed at home and never put our necks on the line and tried to make and implement advances then humanity would get nowhere. If at first you don't succeed then try again. We learn from our mistakes. Personally I think it's very very impressive how under such time constraint the community grouped together with consensus to resolve a critical situation. That is to ETHs credit.

#TogetherWeAreETH

I think the Ethereum price will trade between 0.015 to 0.035 in the next few months before some big news.

Yes. Interest has come back but be careful. This might be just a pump from traders taking advantage of the news of the hard fork. But we have to congratulate them for a job well done. The hard fork went very well without glitches.

That is a wide range. The Ethereum price will be more likely in the 0.017 to 0.025 range for the next few months.

There will be a fight between the ETC and ETH supporters. There will be very interesting time ahead.

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I agree with that. I hope we will know the winner in the next few days. If the battle drags on, both will be dead.

The combined market cap is higher than a few days ago. It seems the market cap is rising fast at the  moment.

The ETC price rose a lot a few days ago. But it is dropping now relative to the ETH. Does the dump start?

I think it will take some time for the dump to start. The big whales in ETC will still manipulate the price.

A few months ago I thought it will reach $50 this year. But now that goal cannot be reached for this year. The stain of the hard fork will be too hard to clean up and forget. For the time being ETH will go down below .001 BTC by the end of the year. This is my speculation.

That is right. The ETC is directionless at the moment. All eyes are on the intentions of the DAO hacker.

The intentions of the Ethereum Foundation and the White hat hacker is also important. They might dump ETC.

It's not a problem mate, because the ethereum won't disappoint us all. Although the price increase only shows ethereum doesn't make us really feel happy, but it's far enough to fold the duplicate our money

I sold most of my Ethereum when the price rose to $1. But fortunately, I mined the Ethereum as well. So I have made some profits.

Mining the Ethereum is quite profitable if you have cheap electricity. But the difficulty is  growing very fast.

It will not be as profitable soon.

If your electricity price is lower than $0.1 /kWh, even if the difficulty double, you can still make some profit.s

That could be the reason why the mining difficulty is still rise for the Etheruem. The big farms have cheap electricity.

The Ethereum mining difficulty dropped from 70T to 65T now. It seems some miners are moving to Monero now.

The Ethereum difficulty is about 68T now. I think some of the miners are coming back to Etheruem after the Monero price drop.

The difficulty is more than  71T at the moment. So there are more mining power coming to the Ethereum at present.

Today's Ethereum mining difficulty is 75.5T, that is another record. The Chinese are building more farms.

ETH  to 0.024

That is possible after the Etheruem conference.

Dapp regulations
Speaker was from Coin Center
Talking about the potential risks of Dapps / cryptocurrencies being classified as “securities”, which could get you into trouble with the US gov FCC.
Coin / token presales can get you into trouble as that can look like a security. There are ways to structure the technology and language to avoid to help keep you safer. Peter said you can contact him if you want to try and do a safer presale
Peter(at)cooncebter.org
Panel
Generic talks of EVMs that were expanded on much more in later talks

Directions in Smart Contract Research: A Selection
Speaker from IC3
Hackers can try and exploit bugs to earn financial benefit
Try and mitigate with formal specification & verification. Lots of research going into this in the Ethereum world right now. Use escape hatches to try and protect your contact against unforeseen bugs. Bug bounties can help

Incentive system for Swarm
Peer to peer file sharing for Dapps. Has been upstreamed to develop branch
Talked about different contracts (SWAP / SWEAR / SWINDLE) that get nodes to pay and be paid for file retrieval and long term storage.

I’m still unsure why we need swarm
Why aren’t we just using IPFS for the storage/transfer, and just putting SWAP over the top for the incentive system. Then it would get wider network effects from the greater IPFS web.
Also saves reinventing the wheel. Seems like “not invented here” syndrome.

Making the EVM scream
Made some tweaks to variable types, etc. to get some more performance. Showing benchmarks that it is faster. Same content as previous blog post
TL;DR it is faster and they want to make faster

Raiden network
They have a working prototype. Will be available “soon”.
Should make transactions instant and lower the cost of transactions, and help with transaction privacy.
Showed a demo of an IoT scenario. Consuming energy consumed tokens. Periodically during consumption it would record a transaction (was about once a second), which transferred the tokens instantly, keeping the energy flowing, until the tokens ran out
Goal is to create a general framework to build off chain Dapps

Truebit: Trying to Fool a Blockchain
Ethereum is awesome because it is Turing complete.
Means smart contracts could in theory analyse solidity code, improve itself, compile the new solidity contract, deploy new improved contracts, etc.
But too expensive to do computations on chain, so instead you can get things calculated off chain. But how to do it securely?
Created a proof of concept. Is secured by the “verification game”, where someone submits result, someone can challenge. But the honest person will ALWAYS win.

Towards Web3 infrastructure
Swarm for peer to peer files.  Again it sounds like they are reinventing IPFS. They should just let IPFS worry about that infrastructure, and should instead focus on the incentive structure on top.
Whisper is a cool messaging system. Could be used to do streaming video content

Ethcore – building the distributed future
Showing off Parity client UI. It is a clean room implementation of the Ethereum client written in Rust.
Parity will host its client as a Web UI (http://localhost:5000)
Looks like a more fly featured version of local Mist wallet. The best feature is that using other tokens (e.g. DAO tokens, Gavcoin) are treated as 1st class citizen in the UI like ETH, makes it easier to interact and trade with
http://imgur.com/T0Iii0h http://imgur.com/KCINbR9 http://imgur.com/jq5KysS

State channels. Making your application practical
Very clean short explanation of state channels. Watch it if you don’t understand how they work.

Ethereum loves Web assembly
https://github.com/ewasm
EVM is the core of ethereum. EVM has had some growing pains.
Want to rewrite it using Web assembly technology, can vastly improve execution due to the Web Assembly execution engine within browsers.
eWASM (ethereum web assembly)
Restricted subset of an web assembly VM.
Backwards compat with EVM 1
Has a tool EVM2WASM to can transpile EVM code to very fast web assembly
Allows extensibility, like putting metering off to the side of execution
eWASM ethereum exexution interface definition.  Defines ~29 instructions
eWASM contract Interface ECI. Defines structure of a contact.

Casper
To move us from PoW to PoS
Goal of consensus protocols is to make all nodes make the same decision if they follow the protocol
Asynchronous consensus is REALLY difficult.
Nodes that are behaving badly and not following protocol are Byzantine
1/3 the talk was spent just defining terms like safety, estimates, approach motivation
Rest of session he spoke too fast and kept clicking next to flick through slides (60 slides in 20 mins). Didn’t catch the information at all.

Ethereum on ruby
EVM written in ruby
Wrote a testing framework called teth. Means the tests can be run in memory in ruby EVM
Let’s you write tests with multiple actors to test complex interactions.
Alice executes a contact. Bob does something else. Check the state.

Zcash loves ethereum
https://ethereumfoundation.org/devcon/?session=zcash-private-transactions-on-a-public-blockchain
Bunch of cryptography researchers came up with some new insights. All became founders of zcash. Focused on privacy of transactions.
Zcash will be released as its own blockchain

3 ways to combine privacy & programmability

Add privacy to Ethereum. Baby ZoE (zcash on ethereum)
Add progamability to the zcash blockchain
Connect zcash & ethereum blockchain. Project alchemy
Project alchemy: verify zcash’s PoW in solidity.
Zrelay.
Smart contacts to fulfil orders.
do a trustless swaps of coins
Would enable ethereum contacts to send & receive zcash. Means they could do transactions more privately
Zcash launches Oct 28

Types for tokens
New kinds of typing disciplines that allow you to detect behavioural errors.
Can help with formal verification systems, and drastically reduce the cost
Talked about types as being pluggable components (sounds like interface based programming)
Rholang is a blockchain based social contacting language with behavioural typing mechanism.
It can detect deadlocks and race conditions at compile time. If you convert The DAO contact into rolang you can see the race condition

Ethereum for Resource-Limited Devices
Getting ethereum onto mobiles, wearables and resource constrained devices.
Multiple threads of progress being made to reduce requirements. Runs on a Rpi model A

Designs for the L4 Contract Programming Language Based on Deontic Modal Logic
Legalese.com
Developing a DSL for lawyers to generate verified contacts
Like SQL for writing contacts
Will compile your contacts to English PDFs

The Mauve Revolution
Ethereum is currently “slow”, doesn’t scale. Wastes lots of electricity woth PoW
Rather than spend $1000 on physical mining hardware & electricity, instead do virtual mining.  Use the $1000 to virtual mine by staking.
Uses a Casper smart contract. You register yourself as a validator.

It seems the short term peak was reach in the last two weeks, which was 0.024. It will take some time to breach it.

The price of Etheruem is consolidating at the 0.021 to 0.022 at present, maybe the price will rise very soon.

If ETH sustained this kind of stability big price movement will surely follow in an upward direction.

Even if I dislike Ethereum because of the poor decisions in handling the hard fork I would have to agree. Ethereum is consolidating and it will have a price rise in the coming months. Most of the recent ICOs reached over $1m. That is very impressive.

The price broke 0.022 early today, but it dropped a bit now. It is wait for the Augur token to be listed.

The Augur toke was listed already. It seems there was a big spike initially. The price is more stable now.

Exactly. we all hope for the best for it

The Augur price has dropped recently. So there is no big demand for it at the moment. Hope the develoment will improve.

That is true. But it is still one of the top 10 market capitalisation investment. The ICO participators has made good profits.

Dollar market

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Bitcoin market

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Hi guys...
Where do u think ETH price is gonna end at the end of 2017 ?

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I think it is between $500 to $600.

That would be nice. If we looking the price rising now I think it can get to 600 no problem.

The price of ETH is around $1200 now. It seems our prediction came true.

ETH/BTC:  Can the 'Flippening' Happen This Year?

https://i.imgur.com/69vCpuF.jpg

Let's see if this break out doesn't turn out to be a fake out.  This is prolly a good time to start accumulating as it could rise to .1 BTC and beyond...  Which leads me to the next question:  Could the flippening happen this time with BTC not being so strong against the USD this year?  ;)

Edit:  And watch that trading volume spike as more and more people notice ETH and start asking the same question:  Can the flippening happen? 

Even Bcash mascot Roger Ver thinks the flippening could happen this year.  I don't know how serious he is tho...  But if there's a good time to take the top spot at CMC, it's when BTC is at its weakest in the market.

The Bitcoin Cash price is around 0.17 BTC at the moment. The price flipping will not be very soon.

Good analysis. I like and believe in Ethereum always next to Bitcoin since it has all the potential and market cap to sustain or make its price grow for a long run. In altcoins section Ethereum is the best coin which has good back up team to drive it to the moon and the productivity of this coin in recent days is really appreciated.

You said absolutely the right things! This is suitable not only for the Etherium. So be ready to lose some money for the sake of experience.

Well in the next coming of age who can say, maybe Eth will indeed kick BTC off its throne.

It might kick BTC, but not BCH.

Ethereum price going down because this issue. that's true? https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereums-price-drop-possibly-due-to-large-eth-sell-off-by-eos-report-says
dump sell in bitfinex. what do you think guys?

No argument here. However the Ethereum community is quite different from bitcoiners and people have short memories.

These are all the market games and nobody can actually be so sure about the future of ETH or Bitcoin. So far we have some data available and not point among many is that the money so far invested in Bitcoin is more than that invested in ETH. Besides, the profitability and risk factor in case of Bitcoin is good from investors’ point of view than that in ETH. But in the end, we come to the conclusion that both are great technologies and have been moving if not parallel, at least one after another.

Depends on how the market reacts at this support level. My estimate is that we will test 1k in the short term.

Support is holding in this area we will see a short term uptrend

many think the price of ethereum will reach $ 1,500 at the beginning of the year and beyond it at the end of the year, but in fact all the speculation is all wrong. we do not know what will happen in the future

ETH will always be one of the top cryptos. Has the most adoption.

If i were to guess we will see 1k again in the short term future.

I guess you are kind of right, we should see a good spike in volumes before a move up hopefully, not down. I am waiting until big guys will invest a lot into crypto market and the second factor is: will Buterin release Casper and POS in near future or no? Or mining will be roughly less profitable in 5 times, as in many articles is written than likely ETH should raise the same amount, or miners will have great losses.

Ethereum is a very lucrative coin and I'm sure it will continue to rise, usage and ethereum transactions are very crowded and active because of the many tokens that use ethereum fees for transactions, I'm sure this year's ETH price could reach at least $ 2000.

I am optimistic that the value of ethereum will be stable against bitcoin, and will overshadow bitcoin prices. in the past few weeks, the value of ethereum has always been in the range of 0.075 - 0.08 BTC per ETH.

Uh...  Nope.  I'm wrong.  Lol.  I hope you guys let go early to keep your losses small.

And if there was the perfect time for a 'flippening' it should be now while BTC is weak.  But I guess a decoupling was never in the cards for ETH.

If i have to make my price speculation for ETHEREUM based on the progress of its market price for the last couple of months where it's clearly evident that ethereum's price is in constant up and down, eth can reach 1,000$ mark again and even have a new high market value.

The $1000 mark could be reached after the next major update.

Any organization or individual who has speculated the price of ethereum I really do not understand this why they can speculate the price to make their prices become unbalanced and also rushed to fly quickly

Need more people to invest to make the price a bit more stable. Now is going down hard so always keep supporting bitcoin.
The news make etherium and other altcoin going down very hard but dont worry, keep fight to make better life

Yes, of course, I agree with you.
It will depend on everyone will vary.
Do it according to your personality.
I am a sure believer in Ethereum, I bought Ethereum and kept it up to now.
I kept trying so I could benefit from Ethereum.
I'm sure how to do coin management is to have a lot of experience and a great strategy.

I'm happy I bought some eth a while ago  Tongue

Until now I still buy Ethereum. I am still buying Ethereum because I am still convinced that the price of Ethereum at the end of this year will touch a very high price. I believe that the longer I hold on to all the Ethereum I have, the more profits I will get later. I will continue with Ethereum.

The price has risen a lot in the past few weeks. So it is very wise.

The Gas price in the Ethereum network has increased significantly, sometimes reaching more than 200 Gwei.

I think that it will be easily touching more than $500 on the next week, the price is already $450 and it seems to be going up slowly, but safe. It will probably be more than $1000 at the end of the year, but i am not sure about this prediction.

The price is still around $450 now.

everyone also hopes that way, now btc is showing back the positive thing the last few days the price goes back up, and everyone hopes it will lift the sale value of other coins including ethereum.

The price of Ethereum at the first pump of the crypto-currency market will be about 1.5 k $, this is for sure. But as we know, with every market jump up, new heights are reached.

I think eth will have a good run in august, soemthing tells me we will pump

or it will even worst if the bitcoin will still sun with this bullish trend and it could have passed ethereum at $450 range price. look at the bitcoin and how it can almost 8k rate right now. Ethereum will be pushed by bitcoin due to the bullish trend of altcoin will be happened after the bitcoin bullish trend has already ended and that means the possibility of ethereum will be hold by the bearish trend to go to the moon after bitcoin.

It is in the middle of August now, it seems the ETH and other coins have not found the bottom yet.

[Blog] Ethereum Foundation Grants Update - Wave 3 https://t.co/9bcFBkOxjX https://t.co/hLNv6UMPbB

Probably some guys here do not understand the term FLIPPENING. Here is the Wikipedia information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flippening. I will never believe that Ethereum will be cooler than BTC although I think it will cost much more than now.

Ethereum is the second largest crypto currency now. I think it could even reach $1 billion market cap later this year.