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I was wondering is the anything out there that says whats a poor- excellent post.

Such as over 100 characters for excellent  under 10 for poor etc.

long posts is not always good quality posts. as long as your post is useful and/or constructive it's good enough.

edit:
IF you're talking about sig campaign managers view on posts quality, ask them.

100 characters post doesn't always mean 'excellent / acceptable' post for a signature campaign manager (this is what you wanted to know, exactly?). You should post as you don't have a signature, means : post to contribute not to get paid by a signature campaign.




 

I mean when you use the account value calculators how does that make a quality from your posts.

it does not, that is an estimator, it is based on your lengh i think, but is not a good indicator over all

some times good post are very short, and long post, hides no-sense

in case of http://www.bctalkaccountpricer.info/ it's


the whole algorithm is posted here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1142314.0).

75 character posts are still very small though.

A post quality indicator can not be automated and should be evaluated manually. What matters is not directly the length of a post, but how it is related to the topic or previous comments made.

If it adds something to the discussion, even short comments can be good quality posts. If it is long and doesn't add anything to the topic, it can still be a bad quality post.

Quality post means good informative information, not being dependent on number of words.

In short, quality post is a post that was made because the user want to add something different or atleast contribute to the conversation . Bad post is a post that was made for nothing but to gain btc from sig campaign without ever considering wether if there are someone who answered the same regarding the topic or not

Whether posts are long or short, the posts should add value to a thread and should not be merely because you are getting paid. People usually view threads that cross 10 pages as spam threads but all many not be just spam threads. There are also many users who keep posting the same questions "How to earn BTC" "How to gamble" and so on which makes users answer the same questions over and over again. In my knowledge, the following posts fall in the respective categories:

1. Very poor: "Thanks" "NP" "+1"

2. Poor: Less than 5 words, Posts without any meaning like "I like your idea and feel everyone should like it", "Posts containing too many emoticons" "Repeating the above posts" etc.

3. Average: Posts that are grammatically poor but the content is helpful to the users, engaging in a conversation without going off topic, giving references, posting meaningful content.

4. Good: Posts that are really helpful and have useful information (may it be technical responses regarding bitcoins, mining, wallet recovery and so on).

5. Excellent: Posts that are made by extremely knowledgeable people who give examples, tips, tricks, tutorials and explain their answers with examples. Their responses may be extremely long but the content is useful to one and all.



Obvious trolls and spammers do not fall in any category.

Trick to quality is trying to not say the same thing as the last two pages in a thread. Being on topic helps as well, its amazing how people fail to read past the last two comments.
An example would be the yobit signature thread currently.

You need to post constructive posts if you want a high quality posts.
You can post long or short posts but contructive.

Well OP means those bots that calculate 'quality' for websites and sig campaign managers to come up with a rating.  Obviously bots can't judge whether something is constructive.  At least not yet. 

It has never been about the characters or size of the post, everyone here just needs to post on-topic and that's it...
Also, you should know that what you are saying has not been said already, else that counts as spam in most cases...

i just want to add that a good quality post needs to be written in a decent English so that anybody can easily understand them. sometimes some of the replies are so weird that i think they might use google translate to post a reply!

The length for sure comes into play, skim through yobit signature and read mod posts about which accounts get booted. Should be a list and 9/10 times its because they left one line responses.

Speaking of bitcoin mods and not the peole running yobit.

If you carry a signature you get a little more scrutiny. This is fair when you see 3 pages of people saying the exact same thing. Or starting  another topic that is still on the front page.
Gambling issues are very popular at the moment.


Sorry about typos, cellphone.

No typos according to me, you have written well... :)
Also, length does come into play but only when users talk bullshit...
There are users who explain most things in few words, but those words sound "heavy" than others who post the same thing in detail...

Quantity does not ensure quality.

Anything that bot estimator gives you is nothing other than educated guess based on how it's coded to judge quality posts.
It means nothing really, because when you are joining any campaign, their manager will most probably take a look into your post history personally.

account valua calculators is unnecesary i do say

Exactly, those people are posting the same thing but said it in a different way, so technically those posts are to be considered "poor posts"  IMHO.

The quantity of characters in your post doesn't make it excellent or poor, it depends on the message in your post, if it's acceptable according to the topic then its nice and okay, but if it's off topic and not relating to the topic at all then your post is poor and doing such off topic posts will make your post quality very poor.

Alternatively just don't do these campaigns. The reason why they still exist eludes me, since there is a setup option for browsing the forum without Advertisements/Signatures anyways.

Advertisers should pay for views (page impressions) not for signatures that people do fade-out.

I find.. when I am faced with a wall of text, I just browse through it and skip the detail. We all have full schedules and not a lot of time to read tons of

text. In my opinion a post must be brief and to the point... Some people think quality means quantity, and they cannot be more wrong. You can

condense much of what you saying in one or two paragraphs. I like to space my post to make it easy on the eyes. {I guess that comes with old age} 

True. I miss the days before signature campaigns. It is probably profitable for the advertisers, or else they would not do it.
Back in the days forums were not about making a profit, it was about the community. The main incentive for posting was helping, and to get enough posts to get an avatar.

Yeah, but if you think about the bolded sentence... if users will post more they will generate more impressions and this is what the various sites & companies want.

Not if everybody ignores signatures with ads. And that is the problem with the current mechanism. There is no way the campaign managers can know how many users actually sees the signatures.

you mean like this ?

Quality of posts are in direct correlation with topic.
Posts must be creative and must bring positive attention.
Offensive or flaming posts are not recommended.

That made me lol and I truly hope it is intended to be sarcasm.

I agree that post quality is more than simply if it is greater or less than 75 characters. If I post 75 characters of garbage I can pad my account value due to some algorithm. I could conceivably post high value < 75 character posts that when read by humans would have way more value, but would be ranked lower due to the same algorithm. Of course all else being equal, a well written higher character count post is probably more valuable than low character posts.

Dear op
To say simple, post which I replied now are low quality posts. These kind of posts will not work in the good signature campaign. They might kick the account out as well.

Report him to the signature campaign manager, this is the best thing that you can do ;).

Post quality shows how much you have get attached with bitcoin as well how much knowledge you have in bitcoin. This will be monitored by the signature campaign moderators who Calculate the quality based on no. of characters, the way the quote relating to the question as well the way it has been expressed or put forth.

The campaign managers / service owner has an indirect way of checking the effect of the signatures. Which is traffic. If the traffic increases and the bets go up (in case of gambling sites), than it shows that the campaign has an effect, even though there is no click counting.

Another method would be to check from where the traffic was directed. If it came from bitcointalk than it would be clear that the traffic was generated through the sigs.

It is very difficult to ignore signatures completely as they are quite big. If you don't actively read them, you see them all the time, engraving them in you mind. Next time you look for a service, guess what pops into your head? The stuff you've been seeing all day.

What you said is perfect answer for the Signature Campaign. That is why most of the gambling sites are still running in signature campaign, as they know the potential power of advertising. That is why in the real world also all leading brands are keeping some funds for Advertisement.

I agree with this. It is very difficult to write a short post but very meaningful. It is easy to write long post to express.

You can type a 500 character message and still could be rubbish if you don't even know what are you trying to say. Long message doesn't mean quality message.

100 characters, not out of topic, post constructive, no need spam post like thank you, only post image and etc. And if you joining signature campaign don't forget to read the rules.

As i see many believe that lower ranked members are spamming here with their signature C.
I believe this is true, but also i saw many legendary members and hero members wearing same signatures, and posting answers to ridiculous topics and replying to those spam posts , so we have acceptance of spam.
And always guilty ones are those lower members?

I think the quality has nothing to do with the rank of membership. They are not determined by the post quality.

Always try to make a constructive and creative post. Only long post not worth. Any one can write 1000 characters also. But writing a constructive, creative and about the main topic is not easy.

Such quality, much useful, wow.

I agree with others that post length is hardly an indicator of post quality.

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Ooo... I did not know there's a price estimator. Interesting stuff.

Looks like it uses post length to determine post quality though (https://github.com/achow101/BitcointalkAccountPricer)...

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That's true... those legendary or hero members might have just been spamming for a longer time, that's all.

Dont look at the length of the post for determining post quality, people can talk for paragraphs without it being constructive. I've seen that the account price checkers usually look at post lengths to display a post quality, but i usually just ignore that.

Indeed they do, as post quality is a relatively important part of an account's value. Most decent sig campaigns will not accept users with low post quality. Thus those sites (including mine, http://www.bctalkaccountpricer.info/) have a post quality check as part of the price. The problem though is objectively determining the post quality of an account. What I determine as a high quality post may not be what you consider as a high quality post. A bot most certainly doesn't have a mind to think subjectively like that short of it being an AI, so the only solution to objectively determine post quality is to do character count. However, when doing character count, my site only checks the unquoted text, so huge text pyramids aren't included in that count. I don't know if any other site does that.

I understand the whole thing now,its very important to keep my post useful and constructive.thank you all who write in this thread,very useful information I gathered from you guy's

I must quote this answers it's my favorite and is between good and excellent!

Trolls and spammers with or without SIGs?

Does the forum actually rate the post quality for users?

There is no feature for that but you can actually report the account if the posts of that account is obvious pure spam and trolling only.

Personally, I'd just say to not just go ahead and send in a few letter post something like "Hi" is not going to be acceptable as it just looks terrible.
Try to just add your input to this topic.

Forum doesn't need to rate the post quality.Its signature campaigns providers who check post quality randomly because they pay for posts.

In this case, quality certainly beats quantity. When people ask questions on here, they want a short, to the point, helpful response. Not to read through a bunch of mumbo-jumbo searching for info. Along as you have answered the question or stated your opinion fully and honestly, you have done all that is expected of you.

It really depends on your grammar and what you're saying. No bot can figure that out. Someone else might've said your point before you, and you're just paraphrasing. But the general idea is <75 is low-medium, <249 is medium, and 250+ is a relatively good quality post.

It's depend though, every campaign manager have their own opinion how is their quality. That's why i join bitmixer.io because its running by a bot and we know how is our track.

Post quality is very important topic i agree, but i don't see much tension here about rising scams with accounts
 and with ipo, icon, into, coins.
Also bunch of infected files , phishing attacks and more..
This is more important i think?

Report spammers to the signature provider,they get blasted about the same member they will be forced to do something about it.
If that does not work blast the mods about the person in question,I heard they love getting reports from people. ;)

There is actually no such things on this forum to rate post qualitites of users, it's just that some campaign managers check your post quality for checking if you are eligible for being a part of their campaign.

Well that is indeed important but that is another conversation for another thread and has little relevance to a post quality thread. The thread starter had a question regarding quality nothing else. If you feel that is more important then create a thread and do not hijack or derail someone elses.

Or are you trying to show what a poor quality posts is? Makes sense.

For OP. 100 char post can be good, a 10 char post can be good. There is nothing that I know of that differentiate between the both unless you read the thread and post in is hard to know. Always read main post and last page to see if you can add to the thread if so post and it is always good regardless of the size of the post.

I think the campaign managers will check the quality of the posts. If they are not good, the poster will be removed.

Yes, if the post quality is low then they won't even accept the user, removing would be there if he/she is accepted once.

You mean that post was perfect example for low quality?

Post quality is very important topic i understand that, but with signature campaigns menaged like this, this is just the beginning i think. I mean what do you people expect?
This is ethical question and must be processed on some higher levels not here.

I agree with 1, 2, 4, and 5. I would qualify 3 to compensate for posters that don't have English as their first language. For example, should we downgrade you post because you say "less than 5 words" rather than " fewer than 5 words".

Also, I think that people asking questions can be valuable members, even though their level of knowledge is low.