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   Have you read George Orwell?What do you think about police states, has not he made very accurate estimations?I have seen many topics about World War 3?Are you serious is it the world war 3?

   Let me count some of the world wars: Korea, Vietnam, Afgan, etc....

   There is a world war at every 10 years.What do you think?

   

We have a joke in Russia - Orwell: "I wrote the book as a warning, but not the instructions!"

I do not know in other countries, but in Russia everything by the book Orwell. Torture, political and religious inquisition, extremely cynical and total propaganda by the media. Militaristic hysteria. About the war with Russia, I think, and so everyone knows. As in the novel, cutting-edge news about the war, and not about what is happening in the country. Flows dirt and slander against the other countries.
People zombie and turned into obedient slaves, are no longer able to distinguish truth from falsehood, under pain of being punished.Even more so, people truly believe in what they say "big brother", it has become a habit. And who resists is the traitor - the thought criminal!

I think a third world war is a war of "information", and we lost it.

 1984 is  very realistic novel.As in the novel 'liberity' is loosing its place to 'slavery' with an accelerating speed.About 3rd world war, for me the thirld world war had already taken place in Korea.How do you define a world war?

One of Orwell's main reasons for writing this "negative utopia" might have been to warn his readers against communism, but many years after his death and the fall of communism, we can also interpret it as a caution against the excessive power of mass media, or the immoderate power of any government.
Technological innovation should be at the service of men, and allow them to live better lives, but it can be used against them.

It is forbidden to write here for critisize big brother, be carefull. You'll be executed after brainwashing ;D

There is no difference between extreme regimes.Dictatorship is dictatorshi.p, does not differ if it is communism or fachism.

I think it is amazing how he predicted electronic spying in an age when television was a relatively new invention. He was definitely a visionary.

Orwell was absolutely beyond his time.

In his book the war was not between sides but among 3 sides.

So USA+UK  ;  CHINA+RUSSIA  ;  EUROPE

Where would you place India, Pakistan, Islamic States?????

In 1984, Orwell defined the 3 super powers as "Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia", not by the name of countries specifically, but nations can be inferred to belong within those groups. One day one was the enemy and the other an ally, and the next day they switched. As you can see from a map I found on Wikipedia below, you can see he was even fairly accurate predicting the geopolitical aspects of current battles.



https://i.imgur.com/lFLR3B5.png

I thought there was no real war at all and all the war stories only served as an incentive for the citizens to work out of fear. So only to suppress them?

Maybe it is too far away when I watched that movie last time. :P

The reality starts shaping like a hybrid of Orwell's/Huxley's ("Brave New World") visions of the future. Huxley was probably more accurate in his predictions, at least in relation to 'Western world'.

Huxley Vs Orwell in pictures:

http://highexistence.com/amusing-ourselves-to-death-huxley-vs-orwell/

Maybe Orwell was fun of police states but i dont see any "1984" police state now.

I'd thoroughly recommend reading Orwell's 'Road To Wigan Pier'. Always gets overlooked by 1984 but it's still a classic (non fiction) book to read.

@catch.me.if.you.can

Just step out of your front door and you'll see.

perfectly agreed.. mass media can be more dangerous than any other political systems.. mass media moguls can manipulate information badly if they want to destroy society..

He probably picked up a few ideas during WW2 when he worked for the BBC, which is maybe when he started thinking about the Ministry of Truth as he was creating and disseminating propaganda at the time.

That was a bunch of oversimplified Huxley dick sucking for the sole purpose of shilling a book. Stop wasting our time with that garbage.

No, i dont see it. They failed to create a police state.

1948 was a great novel ;)

2+2=5

After reading this book I went into a bit of a rabbithole of like minded books.
He gets joked about a lot but their is a lot of good points to crunch up in the mind for nourishment.

-NSA recording everything you do for future selective enforcement if you become politically inconvenient
NOT A POLICE STATE

-Police driving mine resistant tanks down the streets all over the country
NOT A POLICE STATE

-Removal of your right to due process because the police said they smelled something
NOT A POLICE STATE

-1% of the entire country's population in prison
NOT A POLICE STATE

-Losing your freedom for possessing a plant
NOT A POLICE STATE

-Having your home, car, and anything you own seized without criminal charges never to be returned
NOT A POLICE STATE

-Being 58 times more likely to die by a cop than a terrorist
NOT A POLICE STATE

-Normalized road side finger rape in full view of the public
NOT A POLICE STATE

-Running sting operations in high schools and harassing mentally disabled and other marginalized students into buying drugs
NOT A POLICE STATE

-Being arrested for resisting arrest
NOT A POLICE STATE

-Children's lemonade stands being shut down all over the country for not having the proper permits
NOT A POLICE STATE

-96% of crime committed by police not prosecuted
NOT A POLICE STATE

-Disciplining non-violent children in schools with violence, arrest, and criminal charges
NOT A POLICE STATE

-Blaming a baby in a crib for having its face burnt off by a police flashbang
NOT A POLICE STATE

-Requiring genital fondling or cancer causing radiation exposure in order to get on an airplane
NOT A POLICE STATE



I could do more but I am getting bored stating the obvious.

I have decided to invest in BTC to protect my liberity against the order.The order and governing forces decides when the nations enter war, when they announce peace, sign treaties, etc.Well, when I have heard of BTC I was suspicious, could it be a trojan horse among the highly intelligent and intellectual people.After, I decided it was not a trojan horse but an oppurtunity.

 

I dont live in USA you know... ;D

It was uncanny how right Orwell was about so many things. We live in a world so similar to the one he made to warn us

We can't all be as luck as you. But in any case the Us is probably got an eye on you too. Look up the five eyes agreement

If you dont live in a cave they have cameras on you all the time, you use a mobile phone, you can be tracked.
You are supporting Isis they are on to you.

Definitely. He predicted internet before there was no internet -at least it's not known for public, it was only for military use at that time- and today's world everyobdy share their info public without any government force. You can see most people's private life in their Instagram and Facebook accounts.
1984 is not a fiction, it's the most on point reality we've ever read. Futuristic vision by Orwell.

Of course it's oversimplified, what did you expect from pictures?


Shilling for 1931 public domain book of long-dead author? Sure thing lad.


Nothing of value was wasted and you know it.

Rod Serling, creator of the beloved sci fi series Twilight Zone and one of the most insightful commentators on human nature, once observed, “We’re developing a new citizenry. One that will be very selective about cereals and automobiles, but won’t be able to think.”
Not only are we developing a new citizenry incapable of thinking for themselves, we’re also instilling in them a complete and utter reliance on the government and its corporate partners to do everything for them—tell them what to eat, what to wear, how to think, what to believe, how long to sleep, who to vote for, whom to associate with, and on and on.

I think that was the worst system of police. If that was real, I can't imagine.

about the war every ten years, are you serious?
what are the proofs? why do you conclude this pattern?

Yes, I am sure where you live is MUCH much better. Care to share with the class what country that is? Its easy to just make claims without actually disclosing where you live.


nope, try again laddy 1985
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death

They oversimplified all of Orwell's contributions and then talked up everything Huxley did. That was not a reasonable comparison at all. Regardless about the book it was just a bunch of Huxley dick sucking, and yes a waste of time.

Oh, Im so scared! lol

OK, guess I gotta give you this one.

Didn't even know AOtD was a book, found that pic in quick "Huxley vs Orwell" google search.

Anyhow, despite the motive and accuracy to what Huxley/Orwell actually wrote, still few good points there.

Yes im supporting Isis. What do you expect? To support Merkel?

Yes, I read 1984 from Orwell but I think that he wrote even better book- Animal Farm, which really showed very well origin of political corruption in our society.
We had police states even before Orwell wrote his famous book but now, thanks to the new technology, and many cameras around us, state can find much more info about us than before.In my opinion, we already had WW III,  it was so called ''Cold War'' between USSR and USA, which, thanks to god, didn't end up in real, ''hot'' war.
Now, we have WW IV, war between Islam radicals and Western democracy.

Oh, come on, do you believe this stupid book? I dont see any cameras, or police state. Orwell had big imagination.

From Isaac Asimov (1920-1992), Russian born American biochemist and prolific author of both fiction and non-fiction, Foundation (1951):

-The fall of Empire, gentlemen, is a massive thing, however, and not easily fought. It is dictated by a rising bureaucracy, a receding initiative, a freezing of caste, a damming of curiosity—a hundred other factors. It has been going on, as I have said, for centuries, and it is too majestic and massive a movement to stop.-

You sure about that

http://filmpjekijken.com/Content/upload/theyliveglasses.jpg

We got some Oxykids shooting each other daily and because of that the police have not been able to do their jobs.Guess what the answer is to the problem?
Its more cameras and now they have direct access and do not need to file any reports to get access. They plan to increase the traffic cameras and sure it will turn more into
a surveillance state as the year goes on. Its amazing to see people so eager to wave their privacy for the better good.

Here is how quick the cops could handle this. If they used the competitions method of calling the competitors cell phone and arranging a buy and then shooting at them,they could catch more by just calling the number and waiting for them to arrive. But it seems like they are overrun and do not know how to handle the issue.
Its such a joke and obvious that there is a agenda in play to strip citizens of their rights.

Was stopped by a cop last summer because a crime had happened in the area and I had left my wallet in my other work jeans. They scolded me and said they could give me a large fine for not carrying identification and where giving me this attitude like I was suspicious for walking down the street. They proceed to tell me that if I do not have my identity I must know my password that is linked to the id and because I do not know that either this is a issue. Turns out the password is your mothers maiden name which is a question they ask when you renew your license but not a actual password. Cop was misleading and attempting to drum up a issue.

They have trouble recruiting so the people are getting more dumb and more power hungry in personality. No one respects cops like they used to.
Sunglasses on,never get out of their cars and always late to a call.

Bet if you compare these issues they are similar across the board.

I think it's generally the case in many countries that they try to compensate the missing police manpower with more cameras. Though they don't even have enough people to use the material. So it's only helpful after something happened. For evidence. No higher security for citizens from that. Crimes will still happen.

And terrorism? It's proven that it did not help against it. Why should it? They are professionals and surely won't be catched by some stupid camera so they can be stopped.

I write in public that i support isis and nobody arrest me! lol Where is the orwellian state? lol lol

1st World War    1914-1918
2nd World War   1938-1945
Korean War        1950-53
Vietnam             1963-73
Afganistan          1979-1989


These are the wars I assume to be world wars.I define a world war as multinational participants war each other.You may say the war is limited with a country and not spread out the remaining world but in my oinion the sides and results are more important.


About police states, yes we are loosing democracy with an accelerating speed.The good times seems to be a good memory.

What I believe, in near future people who wants freedom will move to colonies on the world and out of the world.

You now are under observation... until they found out if you really have connections. It's better to see if they can get a network of people you belong to. Though I guess they will find out you spend your time with trolling only and that you only use ISIS to provoke reactions. :P

Would be funny to read of an arrest of some arrested terror helper from an ominous underground forum named bitcointalk where the famous hackercurrency bitcoin is used. :D

every book george orwell writes is truthful. Keeping the Astrits flying and the Road to Wagon Pier are my two favourite books of his.

Its kind of crazy that I read 1984 but never read anything else by him,what the hell is wrong with me!
Thanks for the tips will read those this summer.

those two books are a more accurate representation of real world life than anything else ive read. There are even quotes from the book Road To Wigan used in economics books i read.

The difference is, in the book, government did it to the people. In reality, the people are doing it to themselves with their cellphone cameras.

 ;D

Orwell, and many others, free - http://www.luminist.org/archives/.    8)

EDIT: Sorry, either they took Orwell's books out for some reason, or else I was thinking of H.G. Wells.

Either way thank you for this link,a interesting collection and I have not read many of them.
Looks like some of this will be over my head but if you do not swing for the fences you never get there right?

The list is slowly growing.    :)

whether you believe in all the story 1984 by George Orwell, in my opinion a world war III would occur if the world can't win against ISIS, al-qaeda,ISIL.

One of the main points of the book was that by using the threat of enemies as an excuse, a government can justify the surveillance of everyone. We may not have two way TV's yet, but there are various 'anti terror' laws which legitimize collection of on line data (which obviously didn't exist when he wrote the book), phone records, travel etc.
The "Two Minute Hate" seems to be fairly widely adopted tho, but Orwell didn't dream that up, he probably knew of it from WW1 references.
When you read the book, remember that Orwell led a similar existence to Winston Smith, a cog in the propaganda wheel of the British Government/BBC during WWII.

1984 was an interesting novel about the end result of what happens when we go down a slipperly slope of fear and censorship.
Applied to the real world we do see examples of Big Brother and rebels the Snowden leaks and Assange ones.
As well as slippery slopes in the idea of trigger warnings and hate speech being censored to stifle any non-mainstream discussion.
We live in Orwelian times but the preface of the book demonstrates one possible dystopian future if we do not balance caution and aggressive defending of liberty.

I don't see the joke here. There are numerous people who support ISIS in my area. Nobody can do anything. FBI also can't do any shit about that. USA is well known for supporting terror focuses. This is hypocrisy. Orwell showed that hypocrisy in his books, too.

Have you ever thought if North Korea attacked to Japan or USA what will happen?Will there be any country supporting North Korea?

I have read Animal Farm from this writer and it was an excellent satire on communism.

What Aldous Huxley author of Brave New World had to say about this book:

"Within the next generation I believe that the world's rulers will discover that infant conditioning and narco-hypnosis are more efficient, as instruments of government, than clubs and prisons, and that the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging and kicking them into obedience."

Its interesting I think we get a bit of both books in todays culture.

However, even if conditioning is continued, generally it weakens enough and finally fails over time.

Some of the best conditioning is done by violent converting to Islam, which uses Stockholm syndrome. But even this doesn't always last.

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It's one of the most perfectly conceived and executed books ever. The prescience is a sad comment on those pesky humans.

:D Yeah... reminds me of some pirate parties slogan... something like "1984 was not a tutorial" or so.

Well... if people would care more about that topic than the pirate party, which seems to me the first real worldwide party, would be in power in no time.

Think the subtle hand works better than the physical hand if you are wanting to drive a agenda home.
Lot of people are unable to think on a level that would be needed to see that they are being manipulated towards a desired outcome. Slowly pushing towards the end game and people may wake up to it well they are being pushed off the cliff or they may just except that fate by then.

"It is easier to fool people than to convince people they have been fooled." -Mark Twain