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I'm brain-puzzled lol, help me with math: i'm using CAT from Sampey with min %gain for ping-pong orders set to 1%. In your opinion is it better to hold following the bull or buy/sell with 1% at each single trade?

You can buy a lil ltc + hodl

This isn't really good trading advice, but technically it is better to trade on a bull market, and hold when it levels out.

Bull markets mean that as long as it goes up there is money to be made, and if you trade, even if you sell at a loss at some points, unless you are retarded, you can leave with money in your pocket due to the number of opportunities available.

At this point I would just keep holding my coins since there aren't any decent fluctuations although the price has gone up lately. Wait for the moment there are plenty of +$10 price swings in a single day to trade on.

buy and hold is the best option, but i have a better option, which is buy and generate, so i don't need to buy and expose my funds to shitty taxes

well, you are always taking risk on both of them but in my opinion the risk of trading especially like what you are describing is more risky so if you are willing to take the risk then go for it because you can make more money that way but for less risk just buy and hold.

Buy and generate, do you mean lending your coins as example?

As price is expected to rise further this week,holding is the only best option.Keep an close eye on market as price might start falling anytime next week

you can generate bitcoin without buying in many way, via signature, via lending yes with interest, any form of interest is a good gnerator fo bitcoin, just do not fall for ponzi

and via mining of course the emblem of the bitcoin generation

As with what the current market sentiment is right now, buying a little and turning a portion of your crypto holdings (if any) in bitcoins is a nice way to do in this current bull run. Selling a bit premature might be considered as a good move, but no one wants to get short on profits, right? So increase, hold, and sell when you feel like selling. Don't short; it's probably the worst thing to do right now.

Of course in the U.S. trading will give you an unbelievable headache at tax time if you don't have an accountant.

Yes, lending seems good idea but with the offered interest rate on Poloniex I won't do it for the moment.
That's what I have done. But I got a specific amount of BTC that I won't sell in the very long time and don't trade for altcoin neither.

trading is a good way to increase your coins while holding is the safest option where you will only see the $ value increase. i am doing both. where i can i trade to generate some coins, and the other part of my coins keeps sitting in my cold wallet for holding purposes.

I agree with the latter part of what you said. I think it is better to wait for the right moments to trade at the right moments as there are times when prices go up and down in a single day. Although expect that at the very end of the day, the price is a little higher than when the day started.

I do both hold and trade. I have sold a few in the price range of $460 and is now the time to trade when the price falls far enough to $440, the likelihood prices will rise again. although not a lot I think.

I recommend holding personally , Buy and hold until bitcoin reach a price that you feel comfortable with .. then you could sell with no regrets. Wait halving block reward next july and see how things goes.

I would recommend trade in short terms with little profit, less risk. The best would be buy and hold but until the price increases I couldn't stay without trading so trading and holding is great, but not selling.

Days like this where the price came down from +$460 to below $440 are great opportunities to generate a decent amount of coins.

This volatility is what traders are looking for, but when there is no volatility it is better to stay away from your coins. Just leave them untouched.

Holding will be now the best option that you can do around this time because the value will be high soon and that would be perfect for the people that is using Bitcoin.
The only thing that can be bad is that you must wait a long time until the value will be more so that can bad because not everyone has the patience for it.

Yeah it is right to hold the coins till price rise, if you choose to trade you may have to lose your coins and at the time of halving when price rises you will be lot worried, so it is better to hold rather than to trade.

Just buy if you can afford regardless of the price and the trend.

Good thing price dips today or should I say yesterday. Chance to get some lil coins before it goes to a behave rampage again.

Ok thanks all for your opinion guys, they really helped me and gave me support in the past 2 or 3 days during my "brain-puzzle" mood. So i decided to hold and generate, like someone of you suggested which makes me feel good enough (by generate i meant mine and some lending business i have around) so the feeling is not only "it's growing because the price" but even "it's growing cuz i myltiply my coins" :)
Also, to the ones that suggested trading might be too risky during halving approach: i agree. I'm going to stop trading because any trading chance might be a new risk aaaaaand the rampage can make me prolly happier than dozens of micro-daily-trades.

I will lock this thread in a few hours, i will just give the chance to anyone willingly to still add comments: as Lauda suggest...once you got the right suggestions, it is pretty useless to leave a thread like this open...it would just feed the sig spam making people to just repeat the same said things over and over, without adding anything useful ;)
Happy halving to all of you !
Hamu.

course of trade. it's better than waiting for something that is not certain. maybe in a few years you might get a $ 200 profit from bitcoin, but can you get in a short time in the trade

I will trade the bitcoin with Ethereum or other good altcoins. If both rise, it is good. I do not trade the bitcoin/USD pair.

In my opinion it is better to hold because there is a chance that you will earn allot of money in the future. With trading you just get something back but you do not make exactly a profit out of it. So I would choose for holding all day.

Buy and hold a savings of bitcoin. 
Buy more bitcoins to use whenever you can , there are a lot of cost savings found in buying things for bitcoin.

If everyone follows these two simple rules bitcoin will continue to flourish.

to each his own!

I believe just buying bitcoin and simply holding it is the lazy way of earning money. and that way you will be losing a lot of potential of earning even more. so I would always choose trading over just holding bitcoin.
and earning profit is not that hard, you just have to obey certain rules, have stop loss, and the important thing "trade with no emotions" and you are golden.

I would like to buy and hold the bitcoin. The price will be higher in the future, so it is better to hold for the long term.

I think that it is better to hold on to your coins for the future because there is a chance that the price in the future will be higher then ever. Trading Bitcoins in the mean time cannot hurt so you can do that as well.

i think it is better to just hold them for a view weeks for now becaue the price will do allot of positive things and i dont think you should trade bitcoins that is not really profitable for your self.

hold it until price establish then trade for much better earnings, bitcoin still moving up and it will continue so much better to hold instead of trading. might need to trust it more until halving ended up..

It will be much better if you are now holding indeed and that is because there are still a lot of people that is holding because they know that the value is rising slowly.
And nobody will also know what the value will be in the future but holding is now the safest thing that you can do.

I would definitely hold.
I wouldn't want to spend the rest of my life regretting missing out on the biggest bull run ever.  :)

We are not the big whale, we cannot control the price. The trading is just to transfer our money to rich guys.

Sell at $750 and Buy back at ~$610, how is that not obvious?  :D
Seriously, you can dramatically increase your profits with good trades, but you have a serious risk of selling too much way too soon.
Also, even if you sell at a great time, it is really hard to avoid buying back with only a small profit because you know the up-trend is so strong.

Maybe for you, can time the trading rightfully. but for for most people or the investors, they will just buy and hold.

As long as you're buying low and selling high do whatcha like

I'm totally a buy-and-hold type of guy in the stock market,  and I was always told that frequent trading will quickly lead to losses if you're not a pro.  So it is with bitcoin, I'm just holding.  Trading to me is like playing the slot machines at a casino.  You'll lose it all if you keep playing.

I bought some this time last year. I will hold for the long term. However, if it reaches $2000 late this year, I might sell.

i think its good time to hold your bitcoin for the future because bitcoin going up its price too fast .

Not that fast. :-\
I have been holding since that time for over 3 months and they have not went up in price and the year is almost over with not even 3 months to go. :-[

to me the wise decision will be to hold bitcoin and not use it for trading any where, as holding bitcoin in present time is the best investment because the price of bitcoin is increasing continuously.

I suggest to make a trade. because trading can earn more profits. we earn money every time, even if only a little, but it would be very much if collected. trading better than doing the holding.

This is somewhat of an aside, but we visited a local mall today and noticed the bitcoin ATM was quite popular with younger shoppers. Sometimes social indicators are just as relevant as empirical data when analyzing the BTC market.

It all dependsa bout what you want with the bitcon do you want to make money with the bitcoin or do you just want to hold and hope that the price will
be some times 1000 dollar or something.

At this moment it is allot better to hold on to your Bitcoin because at the moment the Bitcoin price is not really that high so it would be a waist to be trading them now.
Wait for the price to rise again then it will be allot better time to trade them.

M<aybe holding your bitcoins can get you allot of money in the future but i dont think that is going ot happen you know lots of peple dont trust in the
future of the bitcoin so maybe trades are better.

Bull trend lol i think that it is better to trade with the bitcoin than holding it wha if the price of the bitcoin drops that low you hold for nothing and when you did trades you
already makes allot of money you know .

Holding is waiting for price increase, trading is making money in real time. What is better depends from how much money you already have in
your wallet. I`m always for some fun, I chose gambling, but you trade if you see some fun in that, profit is just something for extra satisfaction.
If you think it`s bull trend then gamble till the end, wait maximum price and sell right before touch that max limit. Also if this is a bull trend we
can for expect some drop after that. What if price increase and hold there? Then this increase is not bull trend.

Reading your comments and other's, i think i found the solution: it depends by your point of view. If i want to increase number of owned bitcoins i need to trade. If i want to increase fiat, i need to hold (waiting for price raise).
Both are tricky but now i have a direction to follow...;)
Thanks!

It's funny how people force themselves to choose between various things while they can perfectly do it all together without any problems.

What's wrong with hodling coins for the long term, and doing trading to benefit from short term fluctuations? It's a win win for everyone.

If you want  to make money with the bitcoin you should trade with it if you just hold your bitcoins you wont make any coin becuase just holding is not
profitable anymore with this high price.

When you hold the bitcoin and the price of going to fall you wont make anything you will only lose money so when you trade you keep the same coins and maybe some more that makes better money dont you think.

Only you know which one is better at this time, each person has their own speculations, but I would prefer choose to hold because it seems the bull will continues showing up.

i think the only purpose to hold is wait for the price increase as th price of bitcoin is really increasing therefore no need to invest bitcoin in alt section or any where else just to hold it for the price increase.

In my opinion, investing bitcoin to altcoin is a good option to further increase your bitcoin holdings while waiting for your target selling price for bitcoin.  There are people who want to accumulate more bitcoin in a span of time while waiting for it to increase.  People will either buy more bitcoin which needs an additional funds or play in the altcoin ground where there is a possibility that their bitcoin will increase without adding additional money in the investment pool but rather have risk and face the possibility to lose bitcoin or gain it.

In my eyes holding is also better but of course its people their own decision and they have to do what they want with the bitcoin so its their own choice too.
I think holding is better because the bitcoin has a great future a head in the upcoming years.

In bull trend, its better to hold Bitcoin because the price will be going high and it will yield you high returns.

Absolutely nothing is wrong with having a long term investment alongside a short term one. People however seem to make things very difficult for themselves. Just look at threads such as "Bank or Bitcoin wallet". There is no need to go for one of the two options since you can use them at the same time.

I think that holding is better and more profitable  but trading is also a option its depending on what you want to do with it too.
I think holding is better in this time period.

Yeah holding is more good choice to do since we are heard that many people are investing in bitcoin and many adoption are releasing.. and more stores or merchant right now are accepting bitcoin as payment ..
But it takes a long time to make profit.. trading is a good thing if you have some skills of trading since many altcoin out there are good to trade..

Holding is good but I think a combination of both is even better if you are asking me.
I think that the bitcoin has a great future and that holding is still better but trading is okay to do too.

i think its better to hold for a while and waiting for next movements from the market, because if i see on the market and the charts, there is a little movements and i am not sure its good to sell now or not, but the price still get down and up for sure. so better to hold for a while.

If you believe that there is a bull trend currently, then the best option is just to hold. That will give the highest returns if you are going to ride the wave. By simply holding and waiting for the price to reach a very high amount, one can maximize profits by doing nothing but waiting.

Buying and holding it would be better in my opinion. But if you want to get better profit you might take the risk to trade. But if you do not want to take a risk you can hold.

If you want to make money with the bitcoin you should try to invest with it so trade with it and not hold because holding does not mean that you will
get profit if the price rise only than you will get profit,

If you want to make money with the bitcoin you should trade because trades makes money when yu do it right holding is not profitable anymore becuase
the price is not rising of the bitcoin you know!

It depends on what you might trade for if you ask me because if you can trade it in for a good price then why not trade it and make money wit it.
If you do not see a price you want to trade it for then just hold on it for some more.

If you know waht the meaning is of the bitcoin you should know that you dont have to hold your coins to earn money you can trade coins and make
more money than ever.

Just hold your coins for a little bit and see the trending and if the price go up take your best chances to make a profit. Don't sell anything yet if there's a lot of fluctuations in the graph. Just try other available opportunities for your investments.

You can also loose your coins while trading,nothing is certain to yield a profit ,so be wise when you are planning to do anything with your money ,study the market ,study the ways in which you can invest and then get to a proper decision.

In my eyes the best is to hold your bitcoin and wait on a better price to trade or sell it, I really think that is better for yourself.
The profit will also be much higher.

if you want to play safe, you'd better hold it, but if you intend to double the bitcoin you have, the better you play trade. if you have experience in trading play, very good to play while holding bitcoin that you have, because then bitcoin that you have will continue to grow, although it is uncertain and depends on the way you play

Waiting really pays off but be observant also on updates as I might cause also losses. All I can say is just be aware always,a good trader is a well informed trader.

Holding is now the best because the bitcoin will go to a higher amount and it has a good future a head, I really think holding is the best thing.

trading always has some pros and cons, it is not all good. if you are experienced enough in trading then it is mostly good and you can make some profit.
but if it is new to you then you will not be satisfied with the results.

For me they are both good things to do. So as you are going to have investment with trading and buying good alt coins.

While waiting for the right time to sell all of those alt coins that you are going to buy. Then you can also have some bitcoins for holding.

So that you are going to have both investments.

when talking about trading of course it would be good for those who already have a lot of experience.
but when the bull trend I think is better hold until it reaches its highest point later you sell it, do not have to continue to trade, because it is usually not going to fall to buy.

both to trade and to hold bitcoin have a different level of risk.
by holding you have a chance to gain value and losing value in long period .
while by trading you can get instant gain and or instant drop in short period but trading require a skill , holding not.

It depends a bit if you want to make some more money then you should hold on to them and wait for the bitcoin price to rise the you can trade.
You can also trade as soon as you are able to make a profit.

Its better to hold it right now because its gonna rise to a higher amount very soon, I really have trust in the fact that it will go to a higher amount.
Its just that it needs some help but that is all right now!

in present time i think it is better to hold your bitcoin, as the price of bitcoin is increasing continuously, therefore i think the best option is to hold bitcoin simply and its price will really raise.

Its better to sell sometimes but right now I'm thinking the opposite, we should now hold it  longer because it will be profitable we just need some patient and if we hold that patience we will get rewarded for it.

I hold some and trade some. I try not to sell all of my bitcoin. I also try to get more than 1% per trade although I make small trades. I can see where taking a lower percentage can allow you to make more trades.

I agree holding is better with the upcoming future it would be better to hold it than spend/trade or sell it on this time.
I think that it also will rise to a higher amount.

I also putted it on the hold right now because I'm not sure if we will make more profit but I have the feeling we will.
And if we make it to a long term a next halving can be very profitable of course.

same as me. Leih I love doing both, because after getting the benefits of trading, I hold the coin, because I believe bitcoin prices would go up. in addition, trading is one of the ways that I use to get bitcoin, and hold is one way for me to make more money

it's depending or your strategyc, if you want to get "huge profit" i recomended to hold, but you must have a goal rate to sell it.
and if you like a small profit and safety, better to use daily trade with "target lose and profit" so you can manage it.

What kind of trading do you do? With fiat or with alts? I've tried both, but which do you think could perform better?

It is the other way round. People who trade daily are the ones hoping to beat the market and obtain mega profits.
People who hold are happy with lower, but surer returns.

You mean fiat trades here? Both can perform better in the long run whether fiat trades or bitcoin trades.

In fiat trades, others think that is not profitable since the price isn't moving much. They didn't know what is the worth of that since fiat has stable prices.

Yes, it will soon go higher, there are all signs that bitcoin may gain very big momentum as more and more individuals and business accepts bitcoin in their business. The end of year purchase may also make bitcoin price goes very high as people buy one thing or the other. To get better benefits in near future, holding must be the right option whereas trading has some risks.

Holding is a good thing and I can agree about the fact that its good to hold your bitcoin for a short or long time period these days.
The bitcoin is gonna rise without doubts so I think we can say it will be good time for the bitcoin and to hold.

yes it is a fact that after a long time now the price of bitcoin has start increasing the price of bitcoin therefore it will more profitable to hold bitcoin and not to invest it any where like in alt section or gambling. you just need to hold it for the price increase.

Holding is what people do for the long term, while people having coins for a short period of time mostly use their coins for trading purposes. Another important thing, is that there aren't any guarantees for the price to undoubtly go up. You should know that by now.


After a long time that the price started with increasing? Look at the +1 year charts, and you'll see that the price has been going up constantly during that period till now. Price on October 21 2015 was $267 where the price right now sits at $630. That's the result of a longer term price increase.

If it is a bull trend, it is wise to hold because bull trend means the price will get higher and higher each day until bullish bitcoin become bearish.  When the time bitcoin price starts to stagnate, that is the time to sell.  But most of us will gladly hold bitcoin at the longer time because for them; they will get more profit by waiting longer.

Yes that is the best way hold bitcoin in a longer time to wait that time bitcoin can go higher than the moon. So if you have money buy more bitcoin now for you to not regret if bitcoin become 1500$ in the end of this year. So if you have patience hold bitcoin in a ling term.

Long terms  would  not  be bad at all and  it really depends  on the  holder on when  he should  sell off his bitcoin  . Some  may sell  in a particular  price points as  long  he sees  that  he  gained  enough profits and  dont  tend to  hold for long terms  thats why   he gained money  on short terms/trades which is also  good.

I agree besides hold its time to buy, save and hold bitcoin, wait 4 months again or new year 2017, the prices will reach more than $1000 per btc. Now i have 3 btc and will sell after more than $2500 for buying new car

to me as the price of bitcoin is expecting to increase to in this case it will be a wise decision to hold  bitcoin for the price increase and not to invest it any where else. hope that hlding bitcoin will really give you good profit.

After seeing nice price bounce last night i am speculating some $ correction before another nice pump so i have placed small short order in margin trading. Hope correction will be enough to execute my order, but after correction i will better hold or place long order on margin.

Atleast we are seeing some good price swing lately which is good.

for now I think trading is a careful choice. at this time the movement of bitcoin rose high and fast. so when we can put the right time to sell and buy bitcoin then we can get fairly large benefit.

to me the best option is to hold bitcoin for the price increase and not to invest it any where else as it is expecting that the price of bitcoin can rally go so high so it is the best time to invest in bitcoin and if you have some good bitcoin then to hold it for the price increase.

I try to hold them for a long time and looking for opportunities to investIin some good altcoin if I see good coin for this
But I don't take much risk in it and don't want to make risky moves for that either

Investing in altcoins is a very risky thing and requires lots of experience to do properly and if something goes wrong you have less bitcoins than you started with.

That's correct for traditional markets, but with bitcoin it looks like a long-term investment can pay off really big as well.  8)

You can better trade your bitcoins than holding them for nothing becuae i know for sure taht allot of peopel are holding and that is strange becuase by holding the price will not rise so why are they
holding becuase they think others want to spend lol.

Buy and generate more BTC is the best strategy for me. As a long term buy and hold is the best option for everyone.

that's right buy then do some alt trade to generate while waiting for the price to rises up bigger with our expectation, i think its still good to keep
on doing this as we all knew how great this investment in the long run.

You can better trade your bitcoins becuause you will never know what the price will do in the future if you are justh olding and the price is going to drop i dont think you wll get nice profits.

Trading is always an good option in compare to only holding them, as holding will never take your number of coins to higher level and you will make profits only if price goes higher in future, but trading will help you in growing your coins and will also give you regular profits.

Its right now better to hold your bitcoin for the price increases that will come soon or later, maybe it will occur this year or maybe a bit later but it will come without any doubt.
I think that the bitcoin has a great future too so that is pretty nice.

It's good that you plan to hodl a bit longer onto your coins, but there is nothing wrong with also taking advantage of short term fluctuations alongside your other investment.

It's basically a win win situation. Especially in the times where the price doesn't go up at all, even though you were expecting it to do so.

Then you have at least made your profits from your short term trading sessions. Always think further.

For me, I would say that just hold it as you can what is happening with the price of bitcoin, it is now increasing. But if you want to trade then go for it, but just allocate some bitcoins for holding so that you can still expect some profit if you are going to hold for day. I'm sure that the price is going to pump up to next year.

When you are into the bitcoin you know that the bitcoin is here just to make money and not just to hold you know lots of peopel dont use the bitcoin where he is for but that is not the problem people who hold are the problem.

It is not the time to hold becuae the price needs to rise you know and that is not going to happen when we are all holding the bitcoins and that is what i wanted to tell you becuase that is not ok for the future holding bitcoins.