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Title: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: adamstgBit on May 03, 2016, 06:09:28 PM
http://www.drcraigwright.net/extraordinary-claims-require-extraordinary-proof/





Title: Re: BREAK NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: ebliever on May 03, 2016, 06:13:09 PM
Drip, drip, drip.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: Minecache on May 03, 2016, 06:15:19 PM
Move the Bitcoin already.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: chek2fire on May 03, 2016, 06:19:48 PM
he is lunatic? What bullshits he write? This guys is completly psycho. How Matonis and Gavin support this crazy guy?


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: mobnepal on May 03, 2016, 06:24:26 PM
he is lunatic? What bullshits he write? This guys is completly psycho. How Matonis and Gavin support this crazy guy?
I also think same when i see the video on BBC of his interview he was like a proud person over confident person. How he faked his signed message instead of signing new message with original private key makes its all clear he don't have access to those keys. Lets see how this story will end.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: adamstgBit on May 03, 2016, 06:25:02 PM
he is lunatic? What bullshits he write? This guys is completly psycho. How Matonis and Gavin support this crazy guy?

what's so bad about what he wrote.

he wanted to talk to gavin and really prove to him that he is satoshi, proof beyond simply proving he owns SN's keys.

and now he will soon prove to us that he owns SN's keys.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: AgentofCoin on May 03, 2016, 06:26:32 PM
http://www.drcraigwright.net/extraordinary-claims-require-extraordinary-proof/
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So, over the coming days, I will be posting a series of pieces that will lay the foundations for this extraordinary claim, which will include posting independently-verifiable documents and evidence addressing some of the false allegations that have been levelled, and transferring bitcoin from an early block.

Wow what a showman. He is going to lay it all down for our simple minds.
Piece by piece he is going to explain everything, then and only then, he is going to perform the miracle.
Oh man, I can't wait. I sure hope this gets dragged out over the course of a few days to weeks. /s




Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: chek2fire on May 03, 2016, 06:26:53 PM
he is lunatic? What bullshits he write? This guys is completly psycho. How Matonis and Gavin support this crazy guy?

what's so bad about what he wrote.

he wanted to talk to gavin and really prove to him that he is satoshi, proof beyond simply proving he owns SN's keys.

and now he will soon prove to us that he owns SN's keys.

you see this that is ok???

It doesn’t – and shouldn’t ­– matter to the Bitcoin community.

I cannot deny that my interest in bringing the origins of Bitcoin into the light is ultimately and undeniably a selfish one – the only person to whom this should matter is me.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: practicaldreamer on May 03, 2016, 06:29:22 PM
"It doesn’t – and shouldn’t ­– matter to the Bitcoin community."

It does matter to the bitcoin community - because the bitcoin community (such that it is) is still in its adolescent stage. Its father has been absent for most of its life and and its been mocked and ridiculed for quite a while now. It worked better for the bitcoin "community" when it could kid itself that its absent father was vague, indeterminate and possibly benevolent.

It was better when my father looked like this  ;)

http://www.countercurrents.org/einstein.jpg

Or this -

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fimages6.fanpop.com%2Fimage%2Fphotos%2F35000000%2FThe-King-elvis-presley-35046788-620-430.jpg&f=1


Or this -

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefamouspeople.com%2Fprofiles%2Fimages%2Fmahatma-gandhi-31.jpg&f=1

Or this -
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fassets1.bigthink.com%2Fsystem%2Fidea_thumbnails%2F52707%2Fheadline%2Fayn_rand.jpeg%3F1379185978&f=1


It shouldn't matter, no.

But it obviously does.

But hey, maybe when we've grown up a bit ? Who knows.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: Mr Felt on May 03, 2016, 07:08:40 PM
http://www.drcraigwright.net/extraordinary-claims-require-extraordinary-proof/



This was a reasonable post on Dr. Wright's part, but it certainly would have made more sense yesterday. 

The blog post reminded of a phrase I've heard/read a few times recently RE: RE: Dr. Wright's coming out party.  I have a little quibble with the phrase "cryptographic miracle" and perhaps Dr. Wright's choice in using it should be scrutinized (disclaimer: I'm not sure if he or his representatives used the phrase originally - could be media foot-in-mouth disease).  In any case,  it is worth noting that it is NOT a cryptographic miracle to move your own coins, BUT it would be a cryptographic miracle to move somebody else's coins w/o authorization.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: popovicbit on May 03, 2016, 07:41:40 PM
Either way things play out...I am thoroughly entertained.

This is better than any book or movie...is he? isn't he?

I tend to err on the side of caution and won't believe him until those early coins move.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: freebit13 on May 03, 2016, 07:41:50 PM
Oh come on, sign a message with the genesis coins address or GTFO!


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: adamstgBit on May 03, 2016, 07:42:47 PM
http://www.drcraigwright.net/extraordinary-claims-require-extraordinary-proof/

This was a reasonable post on Dr. Wright's part, but it certainly would have made more sense yesterday. 

The blog post reminded of a phrase I've heard/read a few times recently RE: RE: Dr. Wright's coming out party.  I have a little quibble with the phrase "cryptographic miracle" and perhaps Dr. Wright's choice in using it should be scrutinized (disclaimer: I'm not sure if he or his representatives used the phrase originally - could be media foot-in-mouth disease).  In any case,  it is worth noting that it is NOT a cryptographic miracle to move your own coins, BUT it would be a cryptographic miracle to move somebody else's coins w/o authorization.
"cryptographic miracle" doesn't appear anywhere on that post.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: buybtc.cz on May 03, 2016, 07:45:02 PM
I don't get why all the drama. If it's really him, just move a coin from the first block and be done with it.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: adamstgBit on May 03, 2016, 07:48:40 PM
I don't get why all the drama. If it's really him, just move a coin from the first block and be done with it.
Satoshi works in mysterious ways


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: Mr Felt on May 03, 2016, 08:03:43 PM
http://www.drcraigwright.net/extraordinary-claims-require-extraordinary-proof/

This was a reasonable post on Dr. Wright's part, but it certainly would have made more sense yesterday. 

The blog post reminded of a phrase I've heard/read a few times recently RE: RE: Dr. Wright's coming out party.  I have a little quibble with the phrase "cryptographic miracle" and perhaps Dr. Wright's choice in using it should be scrutinized (disclaimer: I'm not sure if he or his representatives used the phrase originally - could be media foot-in-mouth disease).  In any case,  it is worth noting that it is NOT a cryptographic miracle to move your own coins, BUT it would be a cryptographic miracle to move somebody else's coins w/o authorization.
"cryptographic miracle" doesn't appear anywhere on that post.

Correct, this might have been a month ago when this story re-surfaced, can't remember now. 


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: somacoin on May 03, 2016, 08:07:47 PM
I can't believe what I just read
Is this satire at this point?


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: emelac on May 03, 2016, 08:20:20 PM
Dr Wright says he wrote the first blog post to show off his intellectual capabilities. Forcing everyone to read that wall of waffle just annoyed us all, especially when it contained zero proof. He should just sign a message from the genesis block and post it on his blog, if he can.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36193006

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The trouble is that Dr Wright's blog has not convinced the wider public.

He had told me last week that he intended it to be convoluted. He wanted to show those who doubted his intellectual capabilities that he really knew what he was talking about - instead he has managed to make them more suspicious.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: crazy_rabbit on May 03, 2016, 08:21:37 PM
I don't get why all the drama. If it's really him, just move a coin from the first block and be done with it.
Satoshi works in mysterious ways

oh geez. I quite regret founding the Church of Satoshi at this point.....


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: Holliday on May 03, 2016, 08:24:28 PM
Satoshi works in mysterious ways

Really? Everything I've read from "satoshi" has been very clear and concise. His open source code speaks for itself.

While the identity of satoshi may be a mystery, I would say that his work is as clear as it gets.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: Quantus on May 03, 2016, 08:26:37 PM
Oh God give me a fucking break!  This low life. Bottom feeding peace of shit is a scammer! Anyone with half a brain can see it! What the fuck is wrong with you people?!


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: jackg on May 03, 2016, 08:27:21 PM
It is true tha te name/identity of Satoshi is not requried and should have no impact on Bitcoin itself.

However, it may be exciting for some of the members of bitcion (a minority) to find out who satoshi actually is having kept his identity secret for several years.

Dr Wright says he wrote the first blog post to show off his intellectual capabilities. Forcing everyone to read that wall of waffle just annoyed us all, especially when it contained zero proof. He should just sign a message from the genesis block and post it on his blog, if he can.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36193006

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The trouble is that Dr Wright's blog has not convinced the wider public.

He had told me last week that he intended it to be convoluted. He wanted to show those who doubted his intellectual capabilities that he really knew what he was talking about - instead he has managed to make them more suspicious.

That is probably because the wider public have not seen Dr Wright's Blog


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: adamstgBit on May 03, 2016, 08:38:20 PM
Oh God give me a fucking break!  This low life. Bottom feeding peace of shit is a scammer! Anyone with half a brain can see it! What the fuck is wrong with you people?!

every post i write bring me gr8 LOLs


I don't get why all the drama. If it's really him, just move a coin from the first block and be done with it.
Satoshi works in mysterious ways

oh geez. I quite regret founding the Church of Satoshi at this point.....

when Satoshi proves his idendity it'll be like:
http://metamansion.com/wp-content/uploads/images/Messiah_14448.jpg

http://www.redicecreations.com/ul_img/16588mn_childrenofgod.jpg


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: chek2fire on May 03, 2016, 08:43:19 PM
Oh God give me a fucking break!  This low life. Bottom feeding peace of shit is a scammer! Anyone with half a brain can see it! What the fuck is wrong with you people?!

the most strange is that ppl like Matonis, or Gavin not only trust this scammer but they are and openly supporters :D We are in a crazy world with too many fool ppl around us   :D


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: jackg on May 03, 2016, 08:44:49 PM
Satoshi works in mysterious ways

Really? Everything I've read from "satoshi" has been very clear and concise. His open source code speaks for itself.

While the identity of satoshi may be a mystery, I would say that his work is as clear as it gets.

Is the code his or the idea for the code?
This is what is confusing, if he is the coder, who designed it and visa versa.
It is fairly obvious what Satoshi has previously done and the only thing that remains illusive is his actual identity.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: chek2fire on May 03, 2016, 08:51:16 PM
Satoshi works in mysterious ways

Really? Everything I've read from "satoshi" has been very clear and concise. His open source code speaks for itself.

While the identity of satoshi may be a mystery, I would say that his work is as clear as it gets.

Is the code his or the idea for the code?
This is what is confusing, if he is the coder, who designed it and visa versa.
It is fairly obvious what Satoshi has previously done and the only thing that remains illusive is his actual identity.

and every he say,write or create Satoshi has nothing to do with this scammer wrigtamoto


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: jackg on May 03, 2016, 09:49:08 PM
Satoshi works in mysterious ways

Really? Everything I've read from "satoshi" has been very clear and concise. His open source code speaks for itself.

While the identity of satoshi may be a mystery, I would say that his work is as clear as it gets.

Is the code his or the idea for the code?
This is what is confusing, if he is the coder, who designed it and visa versa.
It is fairly obvious what Satoshi has previously done and the only thing that remains illusive is his actual identity.

and every he say,write or create Satoshi has nothing to do with this scammer wrigtamoto

Hang on! If you think about it, if he wasn't a scammer, wy hidehis identity.
He was already a wealthy person so any more publicisation of that would not have much of an affect on him.
We still don't really know of the extent of his contributions (if any)!


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: cjmoles on May 03, 2016, 09:53:09 PM
I don't know if it's safe to assume that it doesn't matter who Satoshi Nakamoto is if one has a significant stake in the value of bitcoin.  It seems to me that the personality of anyone who controls 5% of total supply would be a matter for some concern.

Having said that, at this point, I don't think that I would be able to accept a single transaction from an early block as enough evidence to prove that Wright has control of that five percent because that doesn't rule out, albeit a very tiny possibility, that a single private key was somehow brute forced by a couple super computers fully dedicated to the task.

I want to see a transaction from block #1 to block #9 and from block #9 back to block #1.   This would at least establish that more than one private key, known to be generated by Satoshi Nakamoto, is in play.  It would increase the weight of the evidence, and reduce the likelihood that the keys were somehow hacked into existence.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: chek2fire on May 03, 2016, 09:59:37 PM
Satoshi works in mysterious ways

Really? Everything I've read from "satoshi" has been very clear and concise. His open source code speaks for itself.

While the identity of satoshi may be a mystery, I would say that his work is as clear as it gets.

Is the code his or the idea for the code?
This is what is confusing, if he is the coder, who designed it and visa versa.
It is fairly obvious what Satoshi has previously done and the only thing that remains illusive is his actual identity.

and every he say,write or create Satoshi has nothing to do with this scammer wrigtamoto

Hang on! If you think about it, if he wasn't a scammer, wy hidehis identity.
He was already a wealthy person so any more publicisation of that would not have much of an affect on him.
We still don't really know of the extent of his contributions (if any)!

no is not a wealthy and he has serious economical problems especially with taxes in Australia. This is the reason for his hoax


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: chopstick on May 03, 2016, 10:03:17 PM
Oh God give me a fucking break!  This low life. Bottom feeding peace of shit is a scammer! Anyone with half a brain can see it! What the fuck is wrong with you people?!

the most strange is that ppl like Matonis, or Gavin not only trust this scammer but they are and openly supporters :D We are in a crazy world with too many fool ppl around us   :D

What's strange is that you think you know better / are smarter than Gavin and Matonis, despite not having met Mr. Wright in person, and despite having never had any correspondence whatsoever with the original satoshi - both of which Gavin has done.

Too many morons on this board, would be a more accurate and truthful statement for you to make.

JVP also believes Craig is Satoshi, through personal / direct correspondence:

https://twitter.com/haq4good (https://twitter.com/haq4good)


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: Lauda on May 03, 2016, 10:05:09 PM
I have to ask this again: How many more threads are you people going to open? You are basically giving him the attention that he "does not want".  ::) There are plenty of places where one can discuss this.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: Thylacine on May 03, 2016, 10:07:13 PM
I can't believe what I just read
Is this satire at this point?
This. What the hell? He's dragging it out for page views or something like a podcast? Just do something with the genesis block already?


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: Lionidas on May 03, 2016, 10:10:28 PM
he is lunatic? What bullshits he write? This guys is completly psycho. How Matonis and Gavin support this crazy guy?
I also think same when i see the video on BBC of his interview he was like a proud person over confident person. How he faked his signed message instead of signing new message with original private key makes its all clear he don't have access to those keys. Lets see how this story will end.
Any link to this video? I checked since last night but did not see any available.
I want to pick to pieces his facial expressions and body language to get a read on this guy.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: kn_b_y on May 03, 2016, 10:32:15 PM
Any link to this video? I checked since last night but did not see any available.
I want to pick to pieces his facial expressions and body language to get a read on this guy.

visit youtube and search on 'satoshi'. it's there.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: Lionidas on May 04, 2016, 06:08:09 PM
Any link to this video? I checked since last night but did not see any available.
I want to pick to pieces his facial expressions and body language to get a read on this guy.

visit youtube and search on 'satoshi'. it's there.
No. That just results in "what is satoshi" and "how to earn satoshi" videos  ::)
Youtube is not that up to date in their video search capabilities for video that was produced that same day.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: coins101 on May 04, 2016, 07:40:33 PM
I have to ask this again: How many more threads are you people going to open? You are basically giving him the attention that he "does not want".  ::) There are plenty of places where one can discuss this.

You should just drop the ban hammer on everyone who posts anything about CSW from now on, new thread or any old post.

Flex that power.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: coins101 on May 04, 2016, 07:44:04 PM
Interesting angle that CSW is doing all this because of some tax fraud / reclaim thing

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4htw3t/how_to_steal_54_millions_of_dollar_from_the/

Very interesting.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: yefi on May 04, 2016, 08:23:14 PM
the most strange is that ppl like Matonis, or Gavin not only trust this scammer but they are and openly supporters :D We are in a crazy world with too many fool ppl around us   :D

This is a bit like how the Nazis continued fighting well after it was obvious that the war was lost. They just couldn't bring themselves to admit that it was all for nothing.



Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: AgentofCoin on May 04, 2016, 09:31:58 PM
the most strange is that ppl like Matonis, or Gavin not only trust this scammer but they are and openly supporters :D We are in a crazy world with too many fool ppl around us   :D

This is a bit like how the Nazis continued fighting well after it was obvious that the war was lost. They just couldn't bring themselves to admit that it was all for nothing.

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/46907337.jpg


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: yefi on May 04, 2016, 09:51:58 PM
This is a bit like how the Nazis continued fighting well after it was obvious that the war was lost. They just couldn't bring themselves to admit that it was all for nothing.

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/46907337.jpg


I know. I was going to pick a different example, but then I thought fuck it, let's Godwin this bitch. It's a thread started by Adam, so it had to start descending at some point :D


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on May 04, 2016, 11:06:28 PM
I have heard this phrase ad infinitum peeping at conspiracy theory websites, specifically 9/11 deniers.  So the whole Satoshi thing is just a steaming load of BS I take it.  Ah well.


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: Boosterious on May 05, 2016, 06:05:57 AM
correct! its never thought by me before,yes i'm agree with you,Craig must be have more proof to proven that he was satoshi nakamoto,i think signed message is not enough for extraordinary claim that he was satoshi. great suggestion dude!


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF
Post by: Lauda on May 05, 2016, 08:54:38 AM
You should just drop the ban hammer on everyone who posts anything about CSW from now on, new thread or any old post.
That is a bit extreme. However, the staff is definitely being too soft here. Everything could have been discussed within a maximum of 2-3 threads, and there are certainly more than 10 open ATM.

So the whole Satoshi thing is just a steaming load of BS I take it.  Ah well.
Did you not hear that (apparently) CW bought Bitcoins at the peak on Mt.Gox (there's information on reddit)? This is definitely something that someone who owns so much Bitcoin would do.


Apparently some people think that signing 1 message from a known Satoshi is conclusive proof; sorry to break it to you, but it isn't.