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The original video of this came out about two weeks ago. Even if you're not a Ron Paul fan, I think this video will be interesting to you nonetheless.

It's a tad bit cheesy, but the evidence is solid. I knew about the obvious media bias and eventual media blackout as it was happening, but the vote manipulation was new to me. Scary world we live in mates.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_865430&feature=iv&src_vid=YXlWiTPn7pQ&v=dAPt5cxPEhs

so it's not just propaganda. They are fucking with the actual votes too.

I remember watching a video once on some of our electronic voting systems. They are suspicious for 2 reasons: Closed source. Why in the world would you want to have a closed source voting system running our elections?  #2. If you insert a disk in the voting machines you can actually change the data with software on the disk. Why in the world do these voting systems allow code to be executed from inserted media?

Because anyone who openly points out the flaws of this system is dragged through the mud with the term "conspiracy theorist" :(  Thus, everyone ignores said person, and the system moves on; at least until the issue gets major coverage.  If it hasn't already, it probably never will.

People need to stop voting and focus their energy on more productive things.

Like Bitcoin! :D

I never believed for a minute that a rich guy in a CULT was getting that many votes for the nomination.

The entire election process was a sham. The ratio of RP to Romney signs I saw in my travels was around 20:1. Then when the nomination was won stolen by Romney the ratio of Obama to Romney signs was roughly the same. The whole thing was a joke...a very expensive joke. RP was never going to be allowed to be on a ballot opposite the POTUS, it was always going to be Obama lite and an easy re-selection. Why would a conservative minded voter cast a ballot for Romney? Choice is an illusion.

Now all we gotta do is get everyone to realize it :)  It's a tough job, no pay, long hours, and you're bound to be insulted and laughed at every five minutes or less.  You down?

Same here, I saw wayyy more Ron Paul signs than any other candidate (including Obama).

I'm 44 fingers old, I've traveled that road for years. I no longer bother with those that don't already sense something very wrong with the world around them and have the courage to say as much. When I do detect these folks(usually wise beyond their years youngins) I begin by handing them an American Silver Eagle and asking them it's value as it clearly states 1 USD on it as well as one ounce fine silver. Depending on their answer and the amount of time they think over that question I carefully move the topic to WTC7, which not one person ever has even known existed. I've even been called a liar for suggesting that there was more than two steel structured buildings brought down on their own footprints in NYC on 9/11/2001. The media is a powerful force and even those that say they don't trust their government will bury their heads in the sand and become defensive if you begin to convince them that their government is actively working against them.

I just leave that here.

http://youtu.be/7OtSVPo9f6Y

Thanks, but I fail to see what it has to do with the topic at hand.

If America is a Representative Democracy, a Constitutional Republic, or even a Democracy as is so oft erroneously repeated, then free and untarnished elections are absolutely vital...yet we clearly do not have them. So on our map of the three boxes to correct Government gone awry we have:

Soapbox
Ballot box
Ammo box

Ron Paul is a Libertarian, this video concerns the fallacies Libertarians engage in.
So this video can be used as an explanation of why Ron Paul wasn't "cheated by the Government and Media" but simply lost because people simply disagree with him, and with good reason.

Ron Paul is a Republican. The Republican party used to support the vast majority of the positions RP has continued to endorse his entire career. The Republican party moved away from RP, not vice-versa.

Are you suggesting that most Republicans agree with Mitt Romney? Did Mitt Romney win the nomination fairly? Who won the CA straw poll?

Your video didn't address any of the media anomalies pointed out by the video in the OP.

Ron Paul is a Libertarian who is member of the Republican party. The Republican party is a conservationist party and Libertarianism is an interpretation of Conservatism.
Yes as it seems more Republicans agree with Mitt Romney.

...based on what? Is Mitt Romney conservative?

You seem to want to take your issues with Libertarianism and use them to deflect the actual topic of this thread. The nomination process was subverted by the media and the Republican party. Your video has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

I guess so. He is an conservative Populist.

There's nothing conservative at all about the former Governor of Massachusetts. He's conservative like Shillary Clinton is conservative.

He just downplayed his liberal roots to increase his contrast with Barry in the short term. It was a transparent shell game and he never had a chance of beating the POTUS.

The main line of both Democrats and Republican are populist, TV is a populist media.
They have no obligation to report objective.

As for the allegation of voter fraud, the video in OP simply doesn't tell the whole story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012
According to this Romney won by a wide margin, period.


You can complain about this all you like, but the fact of the matter is you have to blame the voters for paying attention to the populist media and not scream foul play once you get beaten. That's how it works, thank you and try again.
So despite all popularism only works in a political vacuum. Had Paul's agenda been more coherent he would have beaten Romney despite being supported by the populist media.

That's your evidence? LOL

What's your explanation of what happened in Maine? I know, don't have one. This is very simple vote rigging and it was widespread. Just because you personally disagree with some of RPs policies doesn't make these glaring problems with supposedly fair elections or unbiased media go away. It wasn't RP vs Mitt Romney and the rest of the RINOs for the Rep nomination, it was RP vs the media and Rep establishment. Mitt Romney is the candidate that was chosen to oppose a very weak presidient's re-selection bid because he never had a chance to win and how could he have won? Where does he differ from Obama? Mitt Romney was such a weak candidate that the single American political party had to rig the primary to beat a vastly superior candidate and they had to do it in an obvious way and I'm glad they did, because it helps to make it obvious that we do not have free elections or anything approaching objectivity in the media here in the USSA.

If you want, I can take a crack at that.

just as an example.. from the above vid:

"libertarians think the contract is unjust because  because different people and businesses  are required to pay different amounts in taxes. But this is no different than insurance rates which vary from individual to individual"

Eh?  Insurance rewards those with good behavior(with lower rates). Unequal taxes punish those with good behavior.

Not the same.

Secondly you can opt out of insurance. Can you opt out of taxes? 

Of course Romney won by a wide margin in the end.

The point of this video is to show how the powers that be (however you define them) can utilize both media corruption and voter fraud to suppress candidates they don't like.

ahh I see you took the bait.

I'd answer it with an infamous piece of Marxist propaganda:  (To which I happen to agree on. I know that makes you libertarians very mad. ;D)
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!

Again I'd say yes they utilize media corruption. It's just how the mass media works, deal with it.
Ron Paul utilized an army of Internet zealots something which the other candidates didn't have the means. The way to win is to chose the battlefield... Paul made a good choice with that one. It just wasn't enough.

But the allegations of voter fraud are just not justified.
Tell me how much voter fraud would have been necessary to facilitate this outcome had Ron Paul been ahead in the polls?

I'm also critical towards any -isms, both libertarianism and Marxism.

Marx's quote never made sense to me either. Who's "each"? Out of which set? A commune? A company? A co-operative? A nation? The world? The galaxy? The universe?

Are the technologically advanced inhabitants of the Zeta Reticuli system obliged to give each inhabitant of the more backward planets like Earth a space glider? That's basically what Marx would tell them.

My main problem from your quote is how this part is done.

That's the trick ain't it?

I'd response to that argument if it didn't involve extraterrestrials.

What makes you think you own anything?

I think what's cool about cryptocurrencies with regard to Ron Paul, is that he got his wish for Americans to have the access to "competing currencies" without  the US federal government taking any major action to make that come true.  8)

Hopefully, he will thank Satoshi, the Ripplers, and the worldwide Bitcoin community for that some day.

I've always wondered why he doesn't speak more about cryptocurrencies.

Despite what most of the U.S. thinks, it is entirely possible to get things done without the governments help. But I would also note, that the government has been brutal to people printing alternative currencies in the past. So I should think as bitcoin gets more and more popular, the government will likely take large-scale action against it eventually.

That's why we should help Ripple get up to speed and distributed worldwide as soon as possible, and not write-off some of the altcoins, such as LTC. That way the exchange (Ripple) will be as distributed as the cryptocoins, and could both move to I2P and Tor, if necessary.

I think i understand Ron Paul's position on crypto-currencies, and even Digital Gold Currencies; as most gold/silver money people, his conviction is that metal "is only real if one can hold it in one's hand..."

It's a pain to shop online with that kind of gold though. So, with that in mind, what perplexes me is why the gold/silver community including Dr. Paul has not widely supported DGC's (Pecunix/Vouchersafe, eDinar) for online shopping with metal.  ???

Then why does it need to come "From" anyone? And how can you give anything "to" anyone?

That does not answer the question.

Thanks OP :)

RP was the most popular politician of the last 40 years, and gave uncountable respect and credibility to the Washington DC government through his speaking the truth, and respecting all citizens past and present.  That video only begins to do him justice.  The huge support from all demographics for his rational thinking is a great sign of the health of the USA intellect.           

For many, the fact that there is never any accountability in the voting system, exit polls are forbidden or adjusted, and no proof of your vote being counted is ever offered, is enough to show what's going on.  For others, you need a Ron Paul Moment to make things clear.  Last year we had not only the Republican primary fiasco but also the published footage at both Democratic and Republican conventions of reading from the teleprompter when supposedly a vote was going on, and then the payout of presidential election bets by "in the know" parties many days before the official result.  In 2016 get ready for Vince McMahon moderating the debates.

     

   

     


 

I own things because I have them in my possession. I possess things, which is to own them.

If I possess(own) an apple in my pocket. Then your "From" would require that it is taken from me. If I did not possess such a thing, then there would be no reason to take it and there would be no reason for the "From", it would just simply be possessed by the person who needs it and require neither "From" nor "to". The person who needs it would magically be nourished by the apple in my pocket.

Taking "From" and giving "to" requires ownership so obviously Marx believed things are owned. Otherwise the statement would be "Created by each according to his ability. Consumed by each according to his needs."

The media destroyed Ron Paul, whoever controls the media controls the country. I don't believe Obama is the most powerful person in the world, there are people behind the scenes with much more power than him. The international banks and their owners certainly are good candidates.

Just look at anytime the dollar gets attacked they go into overdrive, Saddam was talking about starting to exchange his oil for Euro's, he didn't last long after he mentioned that. Gaddafi started talking about an African currency backed by gold, he didn't last long after that.

We can't speak for other people but one thing I saw was that Ron Paul definitely wanted to encourage was the idea of competing companies, I don't think he or any other person who supports gold/silver is necessarily completely against the idea of non-gold/silver backed currencies it's just that historically gold and silver have proven to be the most reliable for tons of reasons that have been argued about to death by anyone who knows about this sort of thing. My own view is I'd say as long as Bitcoin remains open source and it follows mathematics instead of the will of a particular party it may well prove to be a better alternative to gold/silver but we're going to have to see it in action before any conclusion can be made.

One thing I will say though, this is definitely the end for paper currency, I'm sure there are people who will stay in denial to the end, just like with all other empires that decided to collapse eventually.