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 WARNING
Directbet is a SCAM

Selective Scam me over 38.5 btc
Terrible slow support. Takes over 3 days to receive email support , and only email with forum posts. 

Last communication Thursday May 19

8 days no payout I lose faith give up.  I consider all lost so big player should be careful and use other reputable site and be more careful.


I place screenshot here of emails http://imgur.com/a/qn6gF

Directbet selective scam 36 and 2 btc
https://directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=128iBKnkKPcSPcwZEDMK7sSMJGodx3n47o

https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=12Yef7jVW6PsjJgkTZJqD5jJKoweMvt8Wk

Screenshot if direcbet then try to delete. : http://imgur.com/a/qn6gF


They also ask for passport, be careful.

Is impossible to do a doble spend on directbet,because you need to wait for a confirmation

Exactly.

The transaction they try to say is double spend is impossible because input is spent over 24 hrs before nadal match.

Warning caution where btc comes from and avoid directbet they can just decide time to keep coin for themselves.

That is incorrect. If you place a bet on directbet it allows your bet to happen. Youll see your odds and payout expected well before any confirms happen. Youll need a confirm before they pay you out though.

Im not taking sides cause i havent investigated this at all, im just giving my opinion on zeaderzas thought

This is true but if direct bet is saying they have solid proof that he have tried to double spent than they should show it to this forum or atleast  to OP. Asking passport makes what sense? I can't get it doesn't bitcoin gambling mean to be anonymous?

I have bets several time with directbet and got my payment instant from them everytime. Does they review bets only when you try to bet a huge amount?  ???

Lets see what directbet support will answer here. It will be quite early to give decision and take sides in this debate.

Correct

But when directbet say you double spend after nadal lose first set, and block chain show its not possible because it confirmed 24 hrs+ before


They just look for easy buck.

per my email in screenshot



"Hello Directbet,

Blockcypher show me few things.


Me buying btc to Directbet:
https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/89be96f6cecf47de065ea152b3d1bd969047cb282c61a4c30d82d78e38ef1ddd/

Gives warning to
https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/34a243727b11220c6ae3b03d189d8ba21561e4af5bc4fc99f7e704b91943a240/

But simply address seen
https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/address/15g236ReESnRswjVHxZwzUsxgCNhcR73CU/
  linked both mine and this.


But in 34a243727b11220c6ae3b03d189d8ba21561e4af5bc4fc99f7e704b91943a240
input BTC 1ENYCitHPwcMz2yjzQ3k9UNFN7hMXUrv4K  confirmed BLOCK 411,291

Block date 411,291 comes previous 5/11/2016  Nadal match. So you see not before
with valid input I think.

"Nadal Event : Kyrgios v Nadal

Start Time : 05/12/2016 13:30"



they never send agreement and stop answering emails warning to all to use more reputable site


As of writing this last email

Thu, May 19, 2016 at 7:01 PM
To: DirectBet <support@directbet.eu>
Reply | Reply to all | Forward | Print | Delete | Show original
Directbet

Now, What do you need of me? I try to be patient, but 72hr 49min
between communication

I really not want take time take screenshot and share.

Thanks"


Today is almost monday  with no response. Undeniable bad support.

This Matter was Resolved !

As a goodwill gesture and in an effort to resolve this matter we refunded hungerstyle bet that was initially confiscated due to fraud attempt :

https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=128iBKnkKPcSPcwZEDMK7sSMJGodx3n47o

We also paid out in full hungerstyle other winning bet that was put on hold during this incident :

https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=12Yef7jVW6PsjJgkTZJqD5jJKoweMvt8Wk

hungerstyle informed us that this resolves this matter to his satisfaction and he signed an agreement stating that he understands what he did is against our terms and conditions and that he will refrain from doing it again in the future.

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DirectBet Official Response to hungerstyle

hungerstyle is an hacker who attempted to defraud us.

He placed a live bet in-play on a Tennis match and funded it with Bitcoins that were already spent on another transaction as you can see here :

https://directbet.eu/download/hunger1.png

https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/89be96f6cecf47de065ea152b3d1bd969047cb282c61a4c30d82d78e38ef1ddd/

In addition, the transaction was sent with significantly low fees, more than 20 times lower than recommended !

Now why would anyone send $16,500 bet and not be willing to pay even 1 cent in fees ?

There is only one reason. This was done on purpose to give him the option not to pay for this bet in case it loses.

No one is sending $16,500 transfer without even 1 cent in fees and with coins that were already spent elsewhere, unless their intentions are fraudulent.

Upon some further investigation we found that we are not the only victims of his fraudulent activity.

The payout address that he used for this bet is 1E66h8kzMvmQobkQDDtSwxmR8SDzUxqzhd

As you can see from the link below, there is only one payment that he made from this address and it was also double spent :

https://directbet.eu/download/hunger2.png
https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/b8d63362b302c1a22fe821c9152ba9074e0ba51806c20cb3cd330170379baed7/

You will notice the transaction was double spent in the exact same manner he planned to double spend his bet in case it loses.

He deliberately sent it as a big sized transaction with significantly low fees at first, and later double spent it in a transaction with excessive
fees, much higher fees than required to ensure the double spend is executed immediately on the next block.

If you look at his posts you will see that for several days he tried to avoid posting the payout address of his bet, because he knew this would be an evidence of his fraudulent activity, and not just towards DirectBet.

When we first confronted him with our findings he did not deny his double spend attempt. Moreover, he agreed not to do it again if we return his original wager. However, when we asked him to sign a formal agreement he refused.

Later on he informed us that he is not the person who sent this bet transfer and that he does not own the payout address used for this bet.

When we asked to get in touch with the person who actually sent this bet transfer and who owns the payout address, he said that this person is "not available".

We will not be discussing this matter with hungerstyle any further and require that the person who sent these double spent transactions and who owns the payout address will get in touch with us and sign an agreement if he wants his coins back.

DirectBet is the most popular and trusted Crypto Currency Sportsbook. We would not have risked our reputation unless we were 100% certain this was a fraud attempt. We have additional evidence that we can not disclose for security reasons but believe that the evidence presented here is more than sufficient.

DirectBet pays out hundreds of Bitcoins in winnings every day. We have many high roller bettors who enjoy anonymous betting and instant payouts and have been voted the # 1 Sportsbook of the year by Bitcointalk members for two years in a row.

https://directbet.eu/

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Update - hungerstyle lies revealed, screen capture manipulated !

To better understand how it unfolded, lets get back to the very beginning.

If you look at the screen capture that hungerstyle posted, you will notice that in the second e-mail we asked him the following question :

"In regards to the first bet # 128iBKnkKPcSPcwZEDMK7sSMJGodx3n47o, is it the first ever bet that you placed on our website ?"

His reply was "Yes", but he deliberately deleted it from the screen capture.

Why did he delete it ? because he lied and I am going to show you a proof below.

We later asked : "So you physically met someone during the Tennis match, gave him $15K in cash, and he made the BTC transfer to your bet ?"

He replied : "Correct."

This was also a lie. Check out this bet, which hungerstyle placed right before the bet in dispute :

https://directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=182zX2qwkZupeqa992EqwiahmVfg27ScUP

As you can see he first funded it with 0.007613 BTC dust just to make sure it gets through our system, then he funded it with the real bet of 31.92916466 BTC.

The big 31.92916466 BTC transfer was sent with a very low fee of 0.000014 BTC / KB, just like the bet in dispute, so that he could double spend it in case it loses, while the small dust transfer was sent with a high fee of 0.00026 BTC / KB.

However, the bet was won and so he didn't double spend it, and the bet was eventually paid out automatically.

If you follow the payout in the blockchain you will see that the same coins paid were used to fund the 36.5 BTC bet in dispute :

https://blockchain.info/tx/b5f3372906eef662ca264327255ec28028a3003ffd13b16df2083e0350002d1b

(The 34.8 BTC winnings were sent to the address # 1GyJHLY5aygkQZZjfGJXNA8UkubvGy7V57 and from there they were moved to the addresses 16MyjFgtuGAhR3Wn5TXFsB1R9JmDgcb1Bz and 1Lwpt1Kh2ex9eEdSvXSwwmZZtRYT3vg7kw which were used to fund the 36.5 BTC bet in dispute directly.)

So as you can see, he lied as this was not his first ever bet on DirectBet as he said, and he tried to hide it by deleting the e-mail from the screen capture.

As a side note, notice that for the "test" bet of 0.007613 BTC he included high fees of 0.00026 BTC / KB while for the big 32 BTC bet he included invalid fees of 0.000014 BTC / KB. Why will you pay 19 times more fees for a tiny transfer of 0.007613 BTC than for a big transfer of 32 BTC ?

Also, as you can see in his posts he claimed that he physically met a local exchange during the Tennis match, gave him $15,000 in cash in exchange for the 36.5 BTC that were transferred to the bet in dispute.

The above evidence shows that this was also a lie. The winnings from his previous 32 BTC bet were sent directly to fund his 36 BTC bet as is evident in the blockchain.

This to show you that there isn't really any "local exchange" involved and no conversion was done from USD to place this bet. He simply used his past winnings to fund this bet !

"local exchange" is just a cover story that he made to prevent us from asking real questions about the double spend attempt.

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Update - Standard Universal Policy

We believe that the evidence provided is sufficient to suggest that a double spend was attempted.

When you send out a transaction with extremely low fees and a few hours later double spend it with extremely high fees, and you then repeat on the same pattern over and over again, that can not possibly be wallet misconfiguration or user error or fee saving. That's intentional fraud.

That being said, even if you disagree with the above, please note that Bitcoin Sportsbooks realize that due to the anonymous nature of Bitcoin, it may not always be possible to show to the public bullet proof evidence of fraud attempt.

For this reason, there is a standard universal rule among Bitcoin Sportsbooks that entitles them to confiscate coins when they believe a fraud is involved. Notice that we say "believe", not "prove".

All top Bitcoin Sportsbooks have the same rule, and we all confiscate coins when fraudulent activity is involved.

Hackers will always find ways to exploit and unfortunately that's the only effective measure we have to combat them.

Here is the rule of NitrogenSports :


Here is the rule from BitcoinRush :


BetcoinSports


We have a similar rule :


Notice we all say "when we believe that fraudulent activity is involved".

You might not agree with it, you might argue that it gives us too much freedom, but it is clearly stated and we are not forcing anyone to accept it and bet on our website.

During the past 2.5 years we have developed extensive knowledge, experience and tools that allow us to distinguish between fraud attempts and regular bets.

By placing bets on our website bettors accept our terms of service.

You should know that all other Sportsbooks confiscate coins due to fraud and that in most cases it is not possible to show undisputable evidence of the fraud.

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Update - Resolution

As we informed hungerstyle from the very beginning, in order to resolve this matter we require him to pass a standard KYC procedure to authenticate the contact information that he provided for the agreement and we will then prepare the agreement for him to sign.

The agreement will say that he understands that what he did is against our terms and conditions and that we may confiscate his coins if he attempts to do it again. It will also say that after getting his bet back he will not have any further claims against DirectBet.

It's really the minimum we have to do given the circumstances. We assure him here in public that his contact information will remain confidential.

Even though we can confiscate his bet per our terms and conditions, we are willing to refund it as a goodwill gesture and in an effort to resolve this matter but unfortunately so far he did not cooperate.

This post just shows how bad support is.

Your entire transaction comes before nadal even played. If you read email you would see that.  See post above with inputaddress https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/address/1ENYCitHPwcMz2yjzQ3k9UNFN7hMXUrv4K/    part of the txid you provide. That input was already spent 1 day BEFORE nadal even played. So that txid mathematically exist PRE nadal and IMPOSSIBLE to confirm.

 I screenshot share all email. The idea of an "agreement" in btc in MTGOX era is laughable, but entertain it you never send agreement and slow response


The incompetance, slow support, and lack of understanding of blockchain just proves the caliber of site to handle such large tx not there.  

Highly advise serious players to avoid.

It is an attempted double spend. The first input sends 0.00832786 BTC from 15g236ReESnRswjVHxZwzUsxgCNhcR73CU
The output of that is https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/0211041649531fe5c7c9a935cb40202c6ddc18731d81d600f899ca1b21f3bea1/#output-index-0
If you take a look at your double spent attempt transaction, there is also a 0.00832786 BTC input from 15g236ReESnRswjVHxZwzUsxgCNhcR73CU
You already spent that input for your DirectBet deposit, yet in your double spent attempt transaction  (https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/34a243727b11220c6ae3b03d189d8ba21561e4af5bc4fc99f7e704b91943a240/), you attempt to spend it again. How do I know this? The output transactions IDs are exactly the same. First a PD depositor that complained about a double spend not being credited 2 days ago, now this...


Your the one who doesn't understand how the blockchain works.

Yeah people are trying to scam gambling sites left an right. An its pretty messed up, that an they have been doing this to online services who take btc also.

No.

in the tx they claim i double spend after nadal (https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/34a243727b11220c6ae3b03d189d8ba21561e4af5bc4fc99f7e704b91943a240/)

But the input of that tx has address https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/address/1ENYCitHPwcMz2yjzQ3k9UNFN7hMXUrv4K/     And that tx moved before nadal.  This proves the inputs that make up 34a243727b11220c6ae3b03d189d8ba21561e4af5bc4fc99f7e704b91943a240   were invalid and mathematically impossible to confirm and mathematically BEFORE nadal.

Your address 15g236ReESnRswjVHxZwzUsxgCNhcR73CU is probably change of buying btc source

I buy btc bet at party now no coin or cash.  Should always do more research with btc sites. Maybe this is why ETH is created.

Every trans id you have shown
https://i.gyazo.com/6090a9abb3c87830ef44f022ab438654.png

Then:
https://i.gyazo.com/92dccca6da5fe3b6d226dbee12615f43.png

No. If 15g236ReESnRswjVHxZwzUsxgCNhcR73CU is a change address from the excess of the bitcoin you bought, then how did you spend it as an input to your directbet gambling? You can't. Also, your gambling transaction had a extremely small fee, with a fee of 0.00001685 (1685 satoshi) per kb, which is way below the optimal/low priority fee level. The game started at 7:30 AM for me, and your transaction confirmed at 3:43 PM, a few hours after the game finished.

no i buy btc bet at party from people who show me btc betting.


The input of the tx they say i send AFTER nadal loses is impossible because the input is spent in tx https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/5770c3e8ece620f3a45f48254820e6b2fd5ad3c341dbceaf5106bbc431e8c2df/


this tx is in block 411291, and is unrelated to directbet or me happens   2016-05-11 11:41:40 Long before match starts.

i lose cash for bet and lose btc.

15g236ReESnRswjVHxZwzUsxgCNhcR73CU would be available because associated address 1ENYCitHPwcMz2yjzQ3k9UNFN7hMXUrv4K is spent and confirmed block 2016-05-11 11:41:40 Long before match starts.


so anytime after 2016-05-11 11:41:40 , 15g236ReESnRswjVHxZwzUsxgCNhcR73CU could be spendable

Nadal on 12-5


Big player should play with caution.

I could be missing something, but this is how things seem to have happened to me:

Player deposits 36 btc and wagers them all on the favorite in a tennis match.

The transaction is confirmed before the match begins.

After the first set, there is an attempted double spend of the same output from already confirmed transaction.  It never confirms (obviously)

Directbet considers the proof of the double spend to also be proof that the player is a hacker who acted maliciously and decides to freeroll the player (if the bet loses, he keeps it.  If it wins, he doesn't pay)

When the player starts making the issue public, Directbet offers to return the only the initial wager as long as he kept quit ( "out of good will" in his words)  Then he adds the stipulation that the player must provide scan of passport if he wants the 32 btc returned.


Even if it could be proven (it hasn't been) I don't think it even matters if the player was acting malicious or not.  Directbet accepted the bet, they should honor it.  Instead, they made a decision which resulted in them walking away with 50+ bitcoin they are not entitled to.

It's also worth noting that there are claims that this isn't the first time DirectBet has been involved in a situation like this.

I'm afraid you got it wrong.

The bet was placed during the match and the transaction confirmed more than 12 hours later.

The bet transfer included Bitcoins that were already spent in another transaction as you can see here :

https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/89be96f6cecf47de065ea152b3d1bd969047cb282c61a4c30d82d78e38ef1ddd/

In addition, the transaction was sent with significantly low fees, more than 20 times lower than recommended !

Now why would anyone send $16,500 bet and not be willing to pay even 1 cent in fees ?

There is only one reason. This was done on purpose to give him the option not to pay for this bet in case it loses.

No one is sending $16,500 transfer without even 1 cent in fees and with coins that were already spent elsewhere, unless their intentions are fraudulent.


When you bet on our website you accept our terms and conditions.

In our terms and conditions we clearly state that if your bet transfer is double spent, it may be confiscated. This is no hidden secret.

The above clearly shows that this was a fraudulent double spend attempt. These kind of double spends do not occur by mistake. They are done on purpose and we have zero tolerance in such cases because it threatens our business.

yeah for me this is pretty clear case , op trying to cheat by make the transaction to directbet in double spend in case the bet lost op could make it canceled and if won op could make it confirmed transaction. i thought the case should be closed immediately? if everyone can see it pretty clear.

the transaction was confirmed on 5/11 before the match and it was not double spent. Edit, That was the TX that was never confirmed on 5/11.  I was wrong.

also, what do you mean the bet was placed during the match?  was it live betting?

Yes.

The transaction was sent on May 12th during the game and was confirmed a day later on May 13th (UTC times).

By sending with very low fee there is an intention of double spend.

Yeah I was wrong about the date, I admit I am no expert at block chain analysis.  It doesn't seem like you are either though, or if you aren't explaining the situation very well.

I do understand ethics in gambling though.

To  ethically declare a bet void after the outcome has been decided, you need to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that the player:
a) Attempted to defraud you
b) Is capable of defrauding you.

Even if you are sure this guy tried to scam you, if you can't prove it, you gotta pay him anyway.  Anything without a fact to back it up is opinion.  Your opinion in this matter is biased due your ~50BTC being on the line.

I think the way you tried to twist his words into an admission of guilt is a red flag.

Another red flag, imo, was how you offered to keep only the winnings and return the deposit out of "good will"

https://i.gyazo.com/55f217a1e54f05f3ea3834735e52c836.png

Then after he wrote back and agreed you changed the agreement to include not making the issue public (discrediting you)  along with demanding his passport (!?):

https://i.gyazo.com/adf89df79316814ae7c7b4753fc6e125.png

Well that's just ridiculous.

Blockcypher does not show the exact time that the double spend transaction was received by their node. Do you happen to know when the double spend attempt transaction was first received? Was it first received at a time that would have made the bet for the other side of the match valid if it had confirmed? I might speculate that the OP had broadcast both bets and then had some way to influence which bet/transaction ultimately got confirmed

I looked through your site a couple of days ago for a clause that is similar to what you describe, but was unable to find it after briefly looking through your site. Can you point out exactly where this clause is located.

https://directbet.eu/Rules.cshtml

It's not displayed on the site, but I found this in the api for 34a243727b11220c6ae3b03d189d8ba21561e4af5bc4fc99f7e704b91943a240/:

  "received": "2016-05-11T01:30:10.667Z"

https://api.blockcypher.com/v1/btc/main/txs/34a243727b11220c6ae3b03d189d8ba21561e4af5bc4fc99f7e704b91943a240?limit=50&includeHex=true






Oh my bad, I didn't realize that you reserved the right to confiscate funds and your decision is final.  Carry on then and don't mind us while we discuss your behavior.

As already pointed out, not possible for that tx to of occur before Nadal because input 1EN was spend over 24 hr before nadal.

Directbet is scam and all player should avoid if they can just take coin bc terms say so.

Term or no term big player should avoid.

Not true. I pay for before match begin. And then you claim fraud after 1st set lost. Odds even show it was before , nadal lose one set so odd would be then later better.

Technically it's not a "double spend" in question.  It's an "attempted double spend", and the debate isn't about whether or not it's possible.  It is.

It can happen for many non-malicious reasons.  It's happened to me several times, twice at Betcoin actually.  My wallet broadcasted a transaction with spent coins, so it never confirmed.

https://i.gyazo.com/00435d4463afabf2b530248b599fffc9.png

Still 0 confirms after 7 months.
https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/tx/b42fd77a363f9d2f4ceb7bf0d55305b3ab9cdfac189a77ff21b5b06431675174

It was happening because of some issue with my electrum being out of date.  Betcoin requires 1 confirmation , so there was no issue. 

Directbet has ask to post btc address to remove doubt for all

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.msg15022212#msg15022212

DirectBet Official Response to hungerstyle

hungerstyle is an hacker who attempted to defraud us.

He placed a live bet in-play on a Tennis match and funded it with Bitcoins that were already spent on another transaction as you can see here :

https://directbet.eu/download/hunger1.png

https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/89be96f6cecf47de065ea152b3d1bd969047cb282c61a4c30d82d78e38ef1ddd/

In addition, the transaction was sent with significantly low fees, more than 20 times lower than recommended !

Now why would anyone send $16,500 bet and not be willing to pay even 1 cent in fees ?

There is only one reason. This was done on purpose to give him the option not to pay for this bet in case it loses.

No one is sending $16,500 transfer without even 1 cent in fees and with coins that were already spent elsewhere, unless their intentions are fraudulent.

Upon some further investigation we found that we are not the only victims of his fraudulent activity.

The payout address that he used for this bet is 1E66h8kzMvmQobkQDDtSwxmR8SDzUxqzhd

As you can see from the link below, there is only one payment that he made from this address and it was also double spent :

https://directbet.eu/download/hunger2.png
https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/b8d63362b302c1a22fe821c9152ba9074e0ba51806c20cb3cd330170379baed7/

You will notice the transaction was double spent in the exact same manner he planned to double spend his bet in case it loses.

He deliberately sent it as a big sized transaction with significantly low fees at first, and later double spent it in a transaction with excessive
fees, much higher fees than required to ensure the double spend is executed immediately on the next block.

If you look at his posts you will see that for several days he tried to avoid posting the payout address of his bet, because he knew this would be an evidence of his fraudulent activity, and not just towards DirectBet.

When we first confronted him with our findings he did not deny his double spend attempt. Moreover, he agreed not to do it again if we return his original wager. However, when we asked him to sign a formal agreement he refused.

Later on he informed us that he is not the person who sent this bet transfer and that he does not own the payout address used for this bet.

When we asked to get in touch with the person who actually sent this bet transfer and who owns the payout address, he said that this person is "not available".

We will not be discussing this matter with hungerstyle any further and require that the person who sent these double spent transactions and who owns the payout address will get in touch with us and sign an agreement if he wants his coins back.

DirectBet is the most popular and trusted Crypto Currency Sportsbook. We would not have risked our reputation unless we were 100% certain this was a fraud attempt. We have additional evidence that we can not disclose for security reasons but believe that the evidence presented here is more than sufficient.

DirectBet pays out hundreds of Bitcoins in winnings every day. We have many high roller bettors who enjoy anonymous betting and instant payouts and have been voted the # 1 Sportsbook of the year by Bitcointalk members for two years in a row.

https://directbet.eu/

I think you're right about Peeps.  I thought it was odd the way he was quick to jump all over you when other issues i brought up with him in the past he always responded so passively (ahem...betcoin.ag...)  He deleted this post of mine:


So I won't be contributing to his thread any more.  You should prob just forget about him too. 

As far as the double spend issue, peeps ended up on the same side as me out of convenience it seems.  But  don't think just because he didn't have the purest intent means I have any bias.  I am just giving you my honest opinion.

Hungerstyles defense of using a third party to transact the coins is totally plausible and he's been saying it since the beginning.  He only needs to prove there is a possibility he might be innocent, which basically makes your job impossible.  I know it sucks for you, and I know you have one of the better reps, but I don't think anyone in your position, considering weeks of emotional + the financial investment, could look at the situation objectively.  

RHaver has to be one of the most rational thinkers around and he's already disputed most of the argument you just made in this post. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.msg15021563#msg15021563  


If you don't know much about him, go read some of his past posts, then read the one he made in response to you.

Idea: Find some very trusted members willing to act as independant mediators to rule on disputes in the future, put that in your terms, playing judge and plaintiff like you are now will rarely end well.

I use third party, I give them money and they send bitcoin. I tell directbet this many time but they see chance to make quick btc.




Your so call fraud after nadal lose is already proven not true and people see your site not safe for large player


Directbet


1. This is all opinin and your biased.

2. I use a local exchange as told for quick btc. I am told to pay right after nadal win because on blockchain. I tell you this from day 1.

3. You never send an agreement so saying he not sign is not true bc you never send. My screenshot prove this. Agreement in btc is funny and mean nothing too but still you never send.  Also bet was make before event even start. You can tell by odds of bet URL and starting odd, also you claim after 1st set loss fraud send. So not live in play like you claim. You lie so many time and screenshot / odds / bet all show this.

4. Of course local exchange who english is not a skill not want to deal with you, they have they money. Deal with you is like pull teeth. 

5. They are my coin. I pay for and now you still not send agreement. I already post email screen show this.

6. I avoid posting original becuase as say not ideal address for send because much different now to send 3 weeks later.

7. Just since not log in for 24 hours does not mean guilty. Such bad logic.

8. Community agree you not as high mighty as you think you are, vote D by many senior people. You will lose big player  long run some have even message me.

TwitchySeal, Thanks for your suggestion on using a mediator for future disputes. We will consider it.

RHaver remarks were made while he did not have all the information and we were unable to contribute since the investigation was still in progress.

Look at the additional evidence that we posted above. When you send out a transaction with extremely low fees and a few hours later double spend it with extremely high fees, and you then repeat on the same pattern over and over again, that can not possibly be wallet "misconfiguration" or "user error". That's fraud.


Whether it was hungerstyle or a 3rd party responsible for the double spend, hungerstyle agreed he will not do it again. We wanted to make a formal agreement and he provided us with his contact information for that.

We believe the contact information that he provided was faked, so we asked him to prove it, but he refused.

If he is truly innocent, why was he willing to send us his contact information but not prove it's authenticate ?

directbet.eu would have rejected the bet anyway or should have, double spend attempt or not. I've been placing small bets there in the past few hours and the one thing that struck me as very odd is the fact that their maximum bets for any selection/event is anything between 1btc and 4 btc.

Take the final match today between Djokovic and Murray... We are talking about the finals here, of the same tournament (French Open) the max bet permitted (for me at least) - Djokovic @ 1.26 is 3.782btc , and 1btc for Murray @ 3.05. I checked out their lines for every selection/sport and the maximum bet allowed is 4btc.

My question to directbet.eu is what happens when a bettor sends you an amount in excess of your maximum bet? Do you reject the bet automatically, or deduct the maximum permitted then refund the rest? Double spend attempt or not, would you have honoured the bet if it won, considering the stake involved is approximately 10 times  the size of your maximum bet?

It smacks of hypocrisy and serious double standards that directbet.eu would seize an amount/bet size that they would never have accepted or honoured in the first place. But they are happy to confisticate the said amount. This is clear scammy behaviour from directbet.eu.

I wonder why hungerstyle placed a bet size that would not have being accepted anyway. And I have pm'ed him to ask. However from my previous communication with him it is obvious that English is not a language he understands well and communicating is difficult.

Nowhere on directbet.eu bet confirmation page does it state clearly that bet stakes can be confisticated for whatever reason. This clause is nicely tucked away/hidden somewhere in their terms and conditions.  How many of us read these terms and conditions before betting? It takes away all the fun right? Then imagine how  difficult it would ve been for someone that  barely understands English.  Could this also be the reason why he sent more than the maximum bet permitted? 10 times more?

Was this a genuine double  spend attempt? I don't know and I have no idea. I am not a blockchain expert. But more knowledgeable members like TwitchySeal and RHaver have demonstrated that it may not be. The only ones that are absolutely sure are directbet. And they are the only ones profiting from it.

The problem with bitcoin sportbooks and casinos is they are unregulated. This is the wild west of online gambling. Books disappearing with deposits. Some needing days to grade bets (cloudbet) , not honouring bonuses (Jetwin), citing outrageous reasons + many other examples. It is left to us the community to police them. The very least we can do is shoot straight and be honest at all times. After all tomorrow it could be you or me on the receiving end.

directbet.eu should do the right thing and refund the stake back to hungerstyle. Think of how much goodwill this would buy you. Until then a mod should red trust them as a warning to others

If your bet size is over the limit, your bet will be rejected and refunded instantly and automatically.

In this case the bet was within the limits. For the higher profile events the max bet size is bigger.

For example, if you want to bet on Djokovic now, the max bet size is 60 BTC, you can see it here :

N Djokovic v A Murray (https://directbet.eu/Order.cshtml?EventID=27817142&MarketID=1.125143446&RunnerID=2249229&RunnerHandicap=0)

In our FAQ we explain in more details about the max bet size :

https://directbet.eu/FAQ.cshtml#MaxBet


RHaver and TwitchySeal remarks were made while they did not have all the information and we were unable to contribute since the investigation was still in progress.

Look at the additional evidence that we posted above. When you send out a transaction with extremely low fees and a few hours later double spend it with extremely high fees, and you then repeat on the same pattern over and over again, that can not possibly be wallet "misconfiguration" or "user error". That's fraud.


Since day 1 we informed hungerstyle that we are willing to return the coins as a goodwill gesture provided that he signs an agreement that will assure us that he will not attempt to defraud us again.

hungerstyle agreed he will not do it again. We wanted to make a formal agreement and he provided us with his contact information for that.

We suspected the contact information that he provided was faked, so we asked him to prove it, but he refused.

Lol Lol  Lol!!!!  ;D

Now I am convinced more than ever that you are a corrupt theiving book. Those amounts were adjusted a few minutes ago for the sake of this argument/thread. Anybody with brains between their ears can see through you. How come you have 60 btc on Djokovic but only 7 btc on Murray.  How come all of a sudden you have 60btc available on the one selection I quoted in my previous post? How come every other line still has low max bets and only this 1 selection accepts 60 btc? Do the right thing directbet.eu. people see through your underhand tactics.

And please don't speak for TwitchySeal and RHaver,  they are yet to say otherwise.  The only ones adamant it is a double spend is you.the only ones benefiting here is you.

We have not made any manual adjustment to the max bet size, it's completely automatic.

The max bet size fluctuates based on various factors and it usually increases as we approach the event start time.

The reason why the max bet size on Murray is lower is because the odds are higher. The max bet size is determined based on how much you can net profit from the bet up to a maximum of 17.75 BTC. Currently the Match Odds bet on Djokovic and Murray is on the maximum, allowing a net profit of 17.75 BTC (this results in a max bet size of approx. 60 BTC for Djokovic and 7.4 BTC for Murray).

If you are still unconvinced you can check on future high profile events and see that it will be the same. The max bet size increases as we approach the event start time up to a maximum net profit of 17.75 BTC per bet.


The max bet size on Match Odds is usually much bigger than other types of bets.

Spare me the lecture directbet.eu, as discussed in my pms with you, Ive been in this business for many years.That is not how to make a book, not with those figures you've quoted (topic for another day folks). You might fool the majority here, but not me and not everyone.
 
But to risk your business and brand the way you have just now smacks of desperation and shows how irresponsible you are. I hope you have the funds for payouts when Djokovic eventually wins lol! Oh yeah I forgot. You've got hungers 38 btc to ease the pain.

Mods, I implore you to look into this case. This was a forum that battered quickseller for self escrowing, even though he did not steal a penny (not that I support self escrowing). But it was done on moral grounds. This same forum red trusted members that asked for loans without collateral. So how come you all sit silently and watch directbet.eu walk all over hungerstyle? Is it because he cannot express himself properly? Maybe because he is a newbie? Or is directbet.eu being protected by the powers that be? Fair is fair, the same rules should apply to everyone regardless of rank or stature.

Directbet.eu should be negative trusted until this issue with hungerstyle is sorted.  Someone higher up should step in and take a proper look into this case... With directbet.eu's co -operation off course.

 Directbet.eu cannot and should not be both plaintiff,  judge and jury in a case that it is involved in. This case should be arbitrated by a neutral party and until then directbet.eu should send the 38btc to a trusted escrow on this forum until it is proven beyond doubt that hungerstyle is a scammer and hacker and tried to dupe directbet.eu.

We are booking lots of big bets on a daily basis.

robinH, since you still seem unconvinced here I found for you an example of a 64 BTC winning Tennis bet that was posted on our thread :

https://directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=1Ef6pGXuXpyipwCx7DUxvTrQExYwziHbU4

No need to be defensive directbet.eu, no one here is fooled by your doctored evidence. We ve all seen how you are capable of manipulating evidence to suit your agenda a' la Djokovic vs Murray bet slip.

Until a trusted member here  confirms you accept stakes up to 60btc or above 4btc, I'll disregard any evidence you present. And I'd advice the community to do the same.

I don't think DirectBet should be neg trust bombed right now, he's addressed each issue and I don't think he has any malicious intent, he really believes the guy is guilty and he's probably (not definitely) right. 

I think he should get away from the forums for a day or two and cool off though.  Emotions seem to  be running high - too high for any good to result. 



The double-spend history attached to his wallet is still just circumstantial evidence. 

Proof that previously a double spend attempt happened involving the same address is not proof that the person who placed the bet is guilty. 

I really think you need to pay this guy and figure out a way to prevent this in the future.  Accepting action based on an unconfirmed transaction = offering a line of credit.  You're offering huge lines of credit to anonymous users.  If you are going to call off bets after the fact, without direct evidence that supports your accusation [ the person who initiated the double spend attempt did so maliciously and is also the same person who placed the bet ] , not only are you going to tarnish your reputation, you're going to set a precedent for other books to consider and likely abuse.

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No good can come from asking anonymous person for dox.  Dox from anonymous person is just as worthless as their word.

There's no way for you to verify you have the info of the person who placed the bet, especially when were talking $15k+ worth of bitcoins.  ( Everyone has a friend that will take a selfie with passport for $200 right? ) Nobody who is placing wagers that big is sending their real dox ever in this spot.  You will have to assume no matter what dox you are sent, they are of an innocent third party, someone who should not be doxxed even if the double spends keep happening. Your request is petty and making it appear like you're finding excuses not to pay. 

The solution isn't to make the scammers promise to stop scamming, they won't.  Find a way to make it impossible for their current plan to succeed, then try and find the next exploit before they do.

All the bets that we book, and all the payouts that we issue are recorded on the blockchain and as such can not be manipulated in any way.

That's what's unique about DirectBet. We are the only Sportsbook in the world that records bets on the blockchain with complete transparency.

There is a thread here where you can find hundreds of reviews on DirectBet from respected Bitcointalk members :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577102.0

We have been rated there The Best Bitcoin Sportsbook for two years in a row.

Hey TwitchySeal,

The way things work @ directbet.eu,  they were never at risk of a double spend in the 1st place. This is an illusion they created in desperation to keep the 38btc.

The way it works on their website is; you make a selection, place a bet, then an address is generated for payment. At this stage your bet is yet to confirm.You then send funds to the designated btc address.

After sending funds to their address a txid is generated, and your bet confirms. The bet status then changes from pending to "confirmed" or "negotiate". It all depends on if your bet matches your preferred odds.

But what members/users need to understand is that, the confirmed bet status is nothing more than a promisory note.

The confirmation page displays;
a) The amount received by directbet.eu (amount sent)
b) Bitcoin transaction ID
c) Confirmed odds
d) Bet Status - Confirmed or Negotiate odds
e) Potential winnings if the bet wins.

(Apologies,  as It seems I cannot post images yet.)

When a bet confirms on directbet.eu, what it really means is that your bet is confirmed subject to @ least one confirmation on the blockchain.

Without a blockchain confirmation, your bet is not really "confirmed" with directbet.eu . What it does is validate the odds, amount (if and when it arrives), your winnings (if you win) and the txid.

If your bet wins, directbet.eu would  grade only when confirmation arrives. No exceptions and no matter how long it takes. No blockchain confirmation(s), no payouts. Simples.

Correct me if I am wrong but my limited blockchain knowledge tells me that if there is a double spend only one of the two transactions could possibly confirm?

So your assertion, that directbet.eu confirming bets is akin to giving lines of credit to anonymous players is wrong.

If a player double spends (assuming payment never arrives @ directbet.eu) and their bet loses, good for them. But If their bet wins they lose out on their winnings. Simple as that.

Directbet.eu is never out of pocket, and they never ever make payouts without at least one blockchain confirmation. Even when you cancel an unmatched bet, they require @ least 1 confirmation before refunding the stake.

Please also bear in mind that payments cannot be made after an event ends, and the result is declared.

Let's assume for a minute that hungerstyle waited to see If Nadal was winning before sending his  lpayment. His transaction would never have matched @ his preferred odds, but at a  shorter price to reflect the current state of the match.

All this points to skulduggery on directbet.eu's part,  to keep money that does not belong to them on trumped up charges. They should do the right thing and refund the btc.

If someone makes a large bet at certain odds, then in order to maintain a balanced book (eg for them to not lose regardless of the outcome), then will need to adjust their odds in order to attract bets on the other side of the bet.

If someone double spends a loosing bet then the sportsbook looses out on that bet.

I am not 100% sure that the OP's bet was in fact one that was intended to be a double spend. Directbet originally seemed to imply (at least was how I read it) that the OP 1st set a bet to directbet, and then broadcast a competing double spend transaction, and the winning bet eventually confirmed. Now it seems that directbet is saying that the OP broadcast a transaction (with low fees), then eventually attempted to doublepsend that transaction with a bet to directbet, also with low fees.

Regardless of if directbet decides to reimburse the OP for his winnings, I think that directbet should not accept 0/unconfirmed bets that have less then xxBTC worth of fees attached.

You're right, it's not really a line of credit.  It's something though - a risk DirectBet chooses to take in exchange for the action it attracts.  It reminds me a situation I was in last summer:

During a trip to vegas I had just sprinted to the window at sportsbook to get a bet in with about a minute left before the game was going to start.  The lady quickly printed the ticket, and I took out my wallet and realized all my cash was in the safe in my room (staying in same casino).

She offered to hold the ticket while i ran up to get the money.  (I had placed bets with her over the past 2 or 3 days, she knew I had a room and 7stars card, and probably figured she would get a tip)

I ran up, key didn't work.  Had to go to front desk, get new key.

New key didn't work, repeat.  Took forever.

By the time I got back to the sports book, the second inning had just ended and the score was 2-2.  I gave her a nice tip but noticed she was acting weird.

When I figured out what I had missed in the game I realized why.  I had Boston moneyline, they were playing Tampa.  It turns out Tampa hit two solo homeruns within the first 10 pitches of the game.  Boston tied the game with 2 run homer during the bottom of the second ... right before I came running up to the window to collect my ticket I hadn't paid for yet.  I went back later during the trip and got the death stare.  I'm sure she was convinced I had freerolled her and would of left her holding the ticket if boston hadn't managed to tie the game when they did.  

I know the situations have their differences, but, just like DB, the teller made the decision to open herself up to getting free-rolled because she thought the risk was worth it for her in hopes of a tip.  She didn't have to do that, they could of called to get the bet cancelled, she volunteered because she thought it was in her best interest.

Even if she had proof I was going to freeroll her, it would be absurd for her to justify taking my cash when I finally returned and then just keeping my money AND the ticket...or somehow voiding my ticket after the game was over and refusing a refund - which is basically what happened to hungryman.

Does any of that make any sense?

There's a word I need to start using.


I agree.  If nothing is changed, this will happen again.

DirectBet is a very reputable site and has been trusted with way more than your 38+ BTC. Their site alone is probably worth more than your entire bitcoin asset. Also, it seems that the 30+ BTC bet has already been settled, although the 2 BTC one has not.

If you're intending to double spend a transaction though, that's entirely your fault and you should be persecuted instead for cheating.

And what if the double spend was unintentional.

Nothing has been settled. They have not returned anything.

Looking at this transaction more closely, it looks like the original transaction was originally seen by blockcypher 27 days ago, while the transaction that eventually got confirmed was originally seen by blockcypher 25 26 days ago (it was 25 days when I started writing my post and seems to have switched to 26 after I started writing it). This means that the OP possibly tried to send 89be96f6cecf47de065ea152b3d1bd969047cb282c61a4c30d82d78e38ef1ddd with very low fees, would not get confirmed, and eventually fell out of his wallet's memory allowing the OP to spend his money again, and the OP spent some of the same inputs for his bet.

Unless there is additional evidence of additional malicious activity, then I would say that sending a low fee transaction that does not get confirmed and then double spending that transaction 1-2 days later is not evidence of fraudulent activity. Unless you have specific evidence to contradict this, it is possible that the OP was somehow attempting to send the first transaction to himself (either via sending BTC to his own wallet, or attempting to deposit to an exchange or other casino that will only give credit after 1+ confirmations).

Just because he at one point included too little amount of fees for his transaction to get confirmed does not mean that he can never spend those coins

I attempt to include as little of a transaction fee as I can when I am spending my coins. This is especially true when I do not care when my transaction gets confirmed, provided that it eventually gets confirmed. Your site does somewhat encourage people to include a small amount of fees in transactions sent to your site because they get credit for the transaction immediately and will receive a payout whenever the transaction confirms.

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I think that you are going to need to offer more then speculation if you are not going to payout the OP's bet unless you wish to receive negative trust.

Additional evidence can be found in the payout address, as we posted in the official response.

When you send out a transaction with extremely low fees and a few hours later double spend it with extremely high fees, and you then repeat on the same pattern over and over again, that can not possibly be wallet misconfiguration or user error or fee saving. That's intentional fraud.

If he was trying to save on fees, then how come when he double spends he is all of a sudden willing to pay 0.001 BTC fee for a small 190 bytes transaction (!!!) which is way more than the maximum fee recommended ?

Does 12V1aqrLHtCouuroh4eoUbAvSZ2vAqo8sa belong to you?

@QS, You might know this already, but it's not just the profit from the winning bet we're talking about.  They seized the initial wager as well.

hungerstyle was risking ~36BTC to win ~11BTC, so he stood to either lose 36BTC or be paid ~47BTC (he thought)

Personally I don't think DirectBet has justified not paying out the entire 47BTC, although I think both sides of that argument have valid points.

The fact that he has not returned the initial 36BTC, however, is absurd.  I understand they believed they were justified in their actions, and he seems intelligent and reasonable in general, but now that all of the points have been made, I can only assume they have realized they made a mistake and just don't want to admit they were wrong after investing so much effort into the whole thing.

Not really that relevant, but worth pointing out the price in USD:

When bet was made:
Bet $16,500 to win $21,150
Now:
$21,150 to win $27,550

Yes I am aware.

The TOS of directbet.eu, although some may say unfair, does say that they have the right to confiscate bets when there is fraudulent activity, including double spends. I would read this to mean that they have the right to confiscate bets when a player makes a double spend attempt against them.

It is perhaps possible that the OP was attempting to freeroll the bet in question, maybe even probable, however absent more solid evidence of a free-roll attempt, I would say that the OP trying to defraud directbet.eu is just speculation at this point.

Granted the TOS does say "...when we believe..." however I would personally believe that a sports book that relies on speculation when deciding not to pay someone out is untrustworthy in my eyes.

Just reading through the email evidence the Op uploaded. It is obvious that he never admitted to double spending. He actually seemed puzzled by the accusation, but shrugs it off to retrieve his bitcoins. I mean If I were him I would do the same. At that point the sport-book held and still holds all the cards. Why the book twisted his words into an admission of guilt is very suspicious. It is possible the Op tried to free-roll them, but the same can be said for the bookie. It is their responsibility to prove beyond all doubt that he tried to free roll them, which they have failed to do so far .Their evidence only shows a probable double spend.

In my honest opinion, the book should not only pay back the wager, they are also liable for the winnings.

In case any of you missed the DirectBet official response that we posted, which includes evidence of the fraudulent activity, we now also updated post # 7 with the official response so that it will be more visible.

Hi, I am a frequent user of your website. I've played there more than few times, despite the fact that your vig is too high. But the overall experience is not bad. I just want to say to you that you are wrong. You already have the OP's winnings, he is not disputing that with you. But keeping his wager is bad. It's just not done, and it is the hallmark of a scam-book. Okay maybe he did try to free-roll you, but your evidence is weak. I dont think $20k+ is enough to drag your good name through the mud. I doubt you think so too. IL be keeping an eye on this thread, and until you resolve this, I will only use your book for micro bets.  

"We will not be discussing this matter with hungerstyle any further and require that the person who sent these double spent transactions and who owns the payout address will get in touch with us and sign an agreement if he wants his coins back."

They are offering a way to get the btc returned.
Rightly or wrongly, they are attaching a condition to the return, but there is a way for hungerstyle to get the coins back (or for the owner of the payout address to get them back if that's not hungerstyle).



DirectBet - What is the gist of the agreement you want signed?

I have email many times with 0 response in 10 + day.

Any say they make is just fake.

We said from the very beginning that we have no interest in keeping the coins. We are willing to return the coins, but at the same time we need to protect our business and prevent them from attempting to defraud us again.

At this point we want to discuss with the person who sent out this bet transfer and who owns the payout address, but hungerstyle keeps saying that "he is not available".

A discussion with one person will not eliminate future double spend exploit attempts.  Especially considering you market yourself as an "Anonymous, no questions asked sportsbook"

So what if you get dox on him.  Are you going to make them public the next time an anonymous user tries the same thing?  How could you prove it was the same person?  You can't.  Requesting dox from an anonymous person is meaningless.  They are just images, nothing more.

The only way to protect yourself from this is to make it so that nobody can exploit you even if they tried.
I can think of two possible solutions:

1) Require at least 1 confirmation before allowing a player to place a bet.

2) Require coins to be sent from an address that has not been previously used and will not be used until the bet is complete.  (this may not solve the issue, I'm not sure - just an idea)

As far as hungerstyle, you're being unreasonable and looking for any way to justify keeping the coin for yourself.
There was no mention of dox when you said you would return the coin almost a month ago:
https://i.imgur.com/yqZmL4E.png

He wrote back, you didn't send.

hungerstyle -

Whether Directbet is right or wrong in asking this, do you agree with their statement:

"At this point we want to discuss with the person who sent out this bet transfer and who owns the payout address, but hungerstyle keeps saying that "he is not available"."

If it is accurate, when will that person be available?

I am person who make transfer. When directbet show confirmed i lose my cash for btc. If directbet not say confirm then i would not be pay which not make transaction.

They just run in circle with no email response in 10 day.

TwitchySeal, I appreciate your comments and feedback but we can not discuss our security practices here, I hope you can understand.

That's not what you told us via e-mail.

We asked : "So you physically met someone during the Tennis match, gave him $15K in cash, and he made the BTC transfer to your bet ?"

You replied : "Correct."

We asked : "Does the payout address belongs to the person who sent the initial bet transfer ?"

You replied : "Correct."

We asked : "We would like to speak with the person who actually sent this bet transfer."

You replied : "3rd party not available."

Can you confirm the quotes above are from the e-mails that we exchanged ?

Or should I post screen captures ?

If you have no intentions of keeping them, is it a safe to assume we agree you are not entitled to them?



I understand there are methods that should not be public. But in this instance it seems more like a convenient excuse to keep the bitcoin without giving a reasonable explanation, you can't put stuff like this on your home page and then keep someones money because they dont want to reveal their identity:

https://i.gyazo.com/08655197122e676ebd7fde5898f58c24.png

https://i.gyazo.com/49396cb2ca9d18a4679d348a323166f8.png

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Demanding the identity of someone is just another tactic to justify keeping the funds.

You should of returned the funds immediately after hunger responded and said "i agree"

https://i.gyazo.com/32008f27cc64dd6bbbdc15aa7ca49499.png

But instead of giving the money back, you stalled for a day or two, then asked for name address and phone number.

Then a couple days later you added more terms: no making DirectBet look bad in the forums and he had to upload his passport to imgur!!??
The very fact you suggested imgur is incredibly irresponsible.
https://i.gyazo.com/801198dd3ce5833682e761c30266385c.png
 
Don't you see how this looks on the outside?

The funds should of been returned within 24 hours.  If you had no desire to keep the coins, you wouldn't still have them a month later.

It's possible that Hungerstyles is guilty of attempting to exploit DirectBet, but DirectBet is guilty of being exploitable.

Making someone sign an agreement or upload images of a passport will not prevent that person (or anyone else)from doing it again anonymously.  The only thing it will accomplish is provide an  invalid excuse for not refunding the money.

I assure you, if you end up keeping the funds you will never have the same reputation you did a last month.
https://i.gyazo.com/879eeab0f73407d0750cb07ba346aac3.png

Directbet -"At this point we want to discuss with the person who sent out this bet transfer and who owns the payout address"


Hungerstyle -

As an attempt to help get this resolved -

Regardless of what you told Directbet previously -


Are you the person who sent out this bet transfer? Yes or No?


Are  you the person who owns the payout address? Yes or No?

directbet.eu,  hungerstyle made it very clear from the beginning that he used a third party exchange to send the coins.  

From his posts and emails, It seems like this third party is some kind of local exchange. And are probably not available or are unwilling to get involved.

It could be that since they already got paid for the coins, they don't see this as their problem and don't want to get involved.

I'd liken this to sending you money via Western union. And you insisting you would refund me, but only if I can get western union to contact you, send my dox + their's, and sign some sort of agreement first. Do you see western union doing that?

There could also be a language problem. Possibly because they know little or no English. hungerstyle alluded to this when he said  them (exchange) talking to you would be similar to "having their teeth pulled".

DirectBet.eu has contacted me regarding the negative rating that I left. After some discussions I have asked for specific information that may show that the OP did in fact attempt to defraud DirectBet (however it may not).

If DirectBet.eu is able to provide solid evidence that the OP was attempting to defraud them then I will remove my negative rating and issue a negative rating against the OP.

Explain many time with date from email. I post screenshot later with all time and delay for all.



"XXX Thu, May 26, 2016 at 12:25 PM
To: DirectBet <support@directbet.eu>
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Directbet

I do not be more clear that this bet come from local btc exchange who
handle many player cash in cash out. Very common to make small risk of
price difference

Many people use exchange or local to send coin.

Why I do see concern like you say but fact is blockchain show no
double spend after nadal like you claim.

Really I see claim from Directbet side but one thing to shady void but
very moral different to not return.
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DirectBet<support@directbet.eu>   Thu, May 26, 2016 at 2:04 PM
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Hi XXX

You said "I make this transaction."

Which software did you use to make this transaction ?

Best Regards
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I make this transaction by giving my btc local exchange cash.
Confusion I do not understand . All player make transaction include
you account, exchange, local, etc.

I am told to take 20k action Nadal but only have 15k so take 15k
action. If page not show confirmed or show TXID there can be no trade
or cash lose.


People really not care to approve direcbet for big player.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.msg14947162#msg14947162

When morning happen I would help update if btc is make sent.

Thanks

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I already show them I make transaction. If not cash from viewing confirm bet (likeblockchain confirm to trade local) then there not make transaction.


Dont worry I post screenshot of all email to show time delay and ALL communication log. how make no email response unless poke from forum too.  Need a bit to take all screenshot, many answer same question four time just word different.


It very simple directbet not safe.

hungerstyle, in one of the first e-mails that we sent you, as you can see in your screen capture, we asked you :

"In regards to the first bet  # 128iBKnkKPcSPcwZEDMK7sSMJGodx3n47o, is it the first ever bet that you placed on our website ?"

Why did you delete your reply from the screen shot ?

Can you post here what you replied to us ?

I bet he'll tell you whatever you want if you agree to give him his money.

Just post the emails if you think it proves something, are you really trying to act as if you respect his privacy after the "upload your passport to imgur" request?  Why are you playing these games a month later?  I don't get it.

This is a clear story of double spend. and some over smart people trying to highlighted the issue against directbet.eu . its very clear op or someone else trying to cheat the system. math never gone wrong,what ever happened in email chat I dnt care, he must not get paid a single penny. terms and rules are very clear and we all agree before placing any bets.

As you can see, we are not the ones stalling as hungerstyle claims.

hungerstyle, we are still waiting for your reply on this :

In one of the first e-mails that we sent you, as you can see in your screen capture, we asked you :

"In regards to the first bet  # 128iBKnkKPcSPcwZEDMK7sSMJGodx3n47o, is it the first ever bet that you placed on our website ?"

Why did you delete your reply from the screen shot ?

Can you post here what you replied to us ?

21 questions directbet.eu. Keep playing your games. Let's keep going around in circles. If you have any more proof, post it. You clearly don't.You've being shown up.

directbet.eu, in one of your early emails to hungerstyle, You PROMISED to refund his wager back to him, If he replied saying he would not do it again and agreed to forfeit his winnings (your conditions).  SO WHY ARE YOU YET TO REFUND THE WAGER? hungerstyle met your conditions or? Why add more conditions? Is your word any good? Or are you liars?

Where you aware he is a "hacker" and "double spender" when u made him the offer? Did you promise to return the funds regardless? So what has changed since then? Why the change of heart? The only one STALLING here is you!

If I may ask, why do you keep calling him a hacker?  How so? You know what hacking is right? Or do you need me to define it for you? What evidence do you have of him hacking? Did he try breaching your servers? Maybe he tried stealing your coins or wallet passwords?

Or do you describe him as such without any evidence whatsoever, just to discredit him further? The only ones keeping coins not belonging to them here is you!

FYI,  I intend taking this matter outside this forum.
I'll start a thread on reddit,  have a few gambling blogs sites/websites/forums post about your lies and behaviour.  Let's see how smug you are then.

So far what I`m reading are certain issues that are very clear despite the on-going debate.

1. Person A decided to use their own principal of a doublespend
2. Casino confirms the bet of the doublespend.
3. Person A opens a thread talks about bad support issues - creates noise - in chance they credit their initial deposit
4. Direct Bet is requesting a address confirmation (their personal security reasons to follow this address)

Am I missing something here?

But whats bugging me is the lack of transparency on the conversations taken place with the email needs to be presented on this thread so everyones on the same page.

It hasn't been proven that person A intentionally tried to defraud DirectBet.  
Given the evidence, it's likely they did, but it has not been proven.

RHavers response disputes DirectBets judgement successfully: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.msg14993739#msg14993739

DirectBet since proved that another doublespend was previously linked to the payout address and therefor considers RHavers statement void.  However, the previous doublespend evidence, like the rest of the evidence, is completely circumstantial.  
 
Edit: Others have also disputed DB claim (like me), im pointing out RHaver because I think his opinion is the most respected in general.

Person A has also stated he would be able to access the funds if they were sent to the original withdraw address.

DirectBet is claiming that they are capable of somehow stopping future double spend attempts on their anonymous website by obtaining the identity of one individual.  This seems irrational.  I believe the only way to avoid this situation is to eliminate the possibility of anyone being able to exploit the system.  Not just one.

DirectBet has claimed they have no intention of keeping the 36 bitcoin.  

DirectBet, do you believe you are entitled to the 36 bitcoin?

If this isn't resolved soon, I intend to bring a lot more attention to it.

At this point, I agree with TwitchySeal, robinH, techgeek, and others - instead of asking (hungerstyle), tell (all reading the thread).

I realize that you may trap hungerstyle into making deceptive statements as you feel you already have, but you can see by the responses, even with those who seem to side with your take on the issue, that they feel it's gone far enough.

I believe to retain your credibility as an honest well received sportsbook, you need to present your facts (without revealing secret security measures/proprietary info that you feel you can't).
Perhaps you've received some info from others that's supposed to be confidential.

But you stated that "...hungerstyle is a hacker...", not "we suspect hungerstyle is a hacker".

You've stated that what you believe are his doublespend techniques are repeated time after time and therefore it's not an accidental doublespend.

Fine. State your facts. Demonstrate the above.
So far you can see that people want more proof that it wasn't an accident or that you're not misinterpreting what occured.

Perhaps he's gotten away with doublespends in the past at Directbet or you suspect that he has, or that you've stopped other doublespend attempts.
Perhaps you or others are looking for hungerstyle and want some specific info about him.

But I doubt you're going to get any more info from him and you can see that some public sentiment is going strongly against you at this point.

So it does appear that it's getting to the time to lay your cards on the table.
Or else accept the negativity that this case is engendering.

Please note that hungerstyle deliberately deleted certain e-mails and excerpts from the screen capture that he posted. He did it on purpose to make it appear as if he is the victim here.

We worked very hard during the past 2.5 years to build a solid reputation here and were very surprised to see that some members here attacked us without even trying to verify if hungerstyle, an hacker hiding behind a newbie account that was opened solely for this case, is telling the truth.

We posted evidence on this fraud attempt in the official response on post # 7.

We do have additional evidence, and we will post it here after hungerstyle post his version as he told us via e-mail. This is required so that he won't keep changing versions.

hungerstyle knows to speak English very well when he wants to. His English was very fluent when he threatened to attack our website.

These emails were posted weeks ago.

You're desperately trying to "trick" this guy into incriminating himself.

It's painfully obvious and childish.

You've gone from addressing each point made by anyone, I respected that, to ignoring anyone who questions your actions; hoping to come up with some shred of evidence that will somehow prove what you haven't been able to over the past month.

Pay the man his money and fix your exploitable sports book.

Conmen. Fraudsters. Scammers.

Directbet are selective scammers. Directbet are fraudsters. Directbet are thieves.

Potential clients should avoid them. Googling them should prevent further victims from losing money.

"We do have additional evidence, and we will post it here after hungerstyle post his version as he told us via e-mail. This is required so that he won't keep changing versions."

This seems reasonable.

As Directbet mentions, they have a solid reputation for 2.5 years.
If they want to get hungerstyle's version of events nailed down, I'd suggest to give them some more time.



I feel that their goal is not to steal bitcoins.
[For one thing, someone with this intention does not start a sportsbook that (until recently) does not take deposits].



"hungerstyle knows to speak English very well when he wants to. His English was very fluent when he threatened to attack our website."

Part of the difficulty with understanding what's going on is hungerstyle's seeming unfamiliarity with English so that it's difficult for me and I assume others to understand what he's posting.
If the above quote is true, I see it as very damning evidence that hungerstyle is playing games, not vice versa.

In an attempt to move this along:


"We do have additional evidence, and we will post it here after hungerstyle post his version as he told us via e-mail."

Hungerstyle - Directbet claims that you omitted portions of your original email to them.
Can you post the full version?
[Directbet - Do I have this correct? Specifically, you are asking for hungerstyle to post his original and complete version of events as he first emailed them to you? If not, what specifically are you asking for?]


After that, I'll ask Directbet to post their additional evidence.


Then hopefully there can be a resolution.

Wouldn't it be easier if directbet.eu posts whatever they claim hungerstyle omitted from the emails?  I mean they are the ones alleging some portions are missing, therefore the burden of proof is theirs.

As far as I know, hungerstyle has posted his own version of events. If directbet.eu disputes it, they should prove otherwise. The only ones playing games here is directbet.eu. Surely you can see that?

Trying to trap hungerstyle into making incriminating statements is just stupid. Back up your allegations directbet.eu,  then give him a chance to dispute it, If he can.

directbet.eu also claims his English his very good,  and he threatened their website. They are yet to provide a single shred of evidence to support these allegations.

Why should hungerstyle do their job for them? Assuming he omitted evidence that would incriminate himself, should he be the one that exposes it? Would you, If you were in his shoes?

Don't let directbet.eu fool you, they have nothing more to add, otherwise they would have posted it.

"directbet claims" , so it is up to directbet.eu to prove these claims,  not hungerstyle!

What has these claims got to do with confisticating the 38.5 btc anyway? When will directbet.eu refund the btc? That should be the question.

directbet.eu keeps making accusations without solid proof.

"hungerstyle double spent" , proof inconclusive and debunked. Their evidence shows it may be a double spend.

"hungerstyle is an hacker" .... more claims; no proof.

All we have here are directbet.eu's words, and they've been shown to be dishonest.

Thanks for trying to help Gogo ppp.

hungerstyle was here but he chose not to reply. He realized we caught him lying to you all.

To better understand how it unfolded, lets get back to the very beginning.

If you look at the screen capture that hungerstyle posted, you will notice that in the second e-mail we asked him the following question :

"In regards to the first bet # 128iBKnkKPcSPcwZEDMK7sSMJGodx3n47o, is it the first ever bet that you placed on our website ?"

His reply was "Yes", but he deliberately deleted it from the screen capture.

Why did he delete it ? because he lied and I am going to show you a proof below.

We later asked : "So you physically met someone during the Tennis match, gave him $15K in cash, and he made the BTC transfer to your bet ?"

He replied : "Correct."

This was also a lie. Check out this bet, which hungerstyle placed right before the bet in dispute :

https://directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=182zX2qwkZupeqa992EqwiahmVfg27ScUP

As you can see he first funded it with 0.007613 BTC dust just to make sure it gets through our system, then he funded it with the real bet of 31.92916466 BTC.

The big 31.92916466 BTC transfer was sent with a very low fee of 0.000014 BTC / KB, just like the bet in dispute, so that he could double spend it in case it loses, while the small dust transfer was sent with a high fee of 0.00026 BTC / KB.

However, the bet was won and so he didn't double spend it, and the bet was eventually paid out automatically.

If you follow the payout in the blockchain you will see that the same coins paid were used to fund the 36.5 BTC bet in dispute :

https://blockchain.info/tx/b5f3372906eef662ca264327255ec28028a3003ffd13b16df2083e0350002d1b

(The 34.8 BTC winnings were sent to the address # 1GyJHLY5aygkQZZjfGJXNA8UkubvGy7V57 and from there they were moved to the addresses 16MyjFgtuGAhR3Wn5TXFsB1R9JmDgcb1Bz and 1Lwpt1Kh2ex9eEdSvXSwwmZZtRYT3vg7kw which were used to fund the 36.5 BTC bet in dispute directly.)

So as you can see, he lied as this was not his first ever bet on DirectBet as he said, and he tried to hide it by deleting the e-mail from the screen capture.

As a side note, notice that for the "test" bet of 0.007613 BTC he included high fees of 0.00026 BTC / KB while for the big 32 BTC bet he included invalid fees of 0.000014 BTC / KB. Why will you pay 19 times more fees for a tiny transfer of 0.007613 BTC than for a big transfer of 32 BTC ?

Also, as you can see in his posts he claimed that he physically met a local exchange during the Tennis match, gave him $15,000 in cash in exchange for the 36.5 BTC that were transferred to the bet in dispute.

The above evidence shows that this was also a lie. The winnings from his previous 32 BTC bet were sent directly to fund his 36 BTC bet as is evident in the blockchain.

This to show you that there isn't really any "local exchange" involved and no conversion was done from USD to place this bet. He simply used his past winnings to fund this bet !

"local exchange" is just a cover story that he made to prevent us from asking real questions about the double spend attempt.

False. You just fail to see to keep coin why everyone agree to avoid directbet.

When will you make send btc back?

I don't think Directbet needs to send you any btc as you have not answered the previous questions about why you have deleted a few screen shots/emails.Using a third party service as an excuse just work both ways,if you're sure they have attempted an double spend,why don't you try asking them your refunds ? In that case,directbet doesn't even know who you're since they aren't really dealing with you but the exchange.I have never heard before an exchange "double spending" unless they're attempting to be goxxed.Very shady you bought this story in the later part of the argument.

@DirectBet: I have been betting here for a year or more and I honestly think you guys are the best SportsBook around and it has already been proven by the bitcointalk community itself.You shouldn't be wasting anymore time on this accusation as it will clearly make sense to anyone with brains that double spend was attempted.Your reputation won't be tarnished, either way not many show interest in the thread.

Those questions do not have anything to do with anything. The questions that directbet is asking are offtopic and are attempting to distract from the issue in hand.

Is there evidence that a valid bet was made, and received by directbet? yes
Was this a winning bet? yes
Has directbet paid out this bet? no
Has any evidence been presented that would suggest that there was a double spend attempt against directbet? no

The questions regarding if the bet in question were the first ever made by the OP via directbet or if the OP purchased bitcoin for cash prior to placing the bets have absolutely nothing to do with if the bets should be paid out or not.

hungerstyle - "False".

hungerstyle - Please be specific - What is "false" in the information presented above by Directbet?
Please present any evidence you have to prove your claim.

You are wrong.The coins  should be refunded. It is unethical and the bookie already made clear his desire to return the money. All the accusations and counter - accusations is helping nobody.

@ Op Id suggest you co - operate with directbet to retrieve your wager. Sign whatever document and get it over with. It may be uncomfortable,  but try.

@ directbet, you might have a case, but there is no smoking gun. I hope your offer to refund the Op is genuine, and you are not giving him the runaround.  It's beginning to look that way. I'll delete the negative trust I left you, trusting you to do the right thing.

Unfortunately for you, until you fix this loophole,  unscrupulous players will take shots at you. Especially now that they know how. Find a solution.

Laughable really from directbet.eu. You have proved zilch!  Can you say for sure he placed the "first bet" ? No. It could have been placed by anyone. If this is your so called evidence,  then I am sorry,  you have failed.

Have you proved a double spend beyond all doubt ? No. And this is the crux of the matter. Your double spend argument has been debunked and since you cannot prove it; you are desperately trying to obfuscate people rather than enlighten them. I hope the folks here are smarter than you give them credit for. Obviously you are trying your best to keep the coins. That is akin to stealing them.

Isnt it just easier to avoid this headache and return the btc to the rightful owner.

Regardless of the doublespend, because it seems like it was a accidental thing.

I dont see theres a further point in a all this of what direcbet gets out of all this.. then again I dont gamble so I dont see too many of these double spend situations.

Well, according to DirectBet OP was already offered to receive his coins back by signing a formal agreement that he won't attempt to double spend. The blame is on him if he can't comply with such a simple request to receive his money back. DirectBet is a business after all, they can't show that attempting double spends with their service comes with zero risk.

Exactly

Did on what day directbet send agreement? Never.

Directbet just give run around when I lose cash and no recourse.


Directbet has not respond to email since May 30.

Directbet, Will you return coin like you say you will since your email not responding?

directbet you are saying one thing but acting in a different manner. Op says you are not replying to his emails. Well not since the the 30th of may anyway. You have every right to protect your business, but the best way forward would be to fix the flaw on your platform that makes it possible to double spend. Otherwise this could happen again. I don't see how signing an agreement with the Op and obtaining his dox would stop this from occurring again.

However, Op says you are yet to send him an agreement to sign. Did you or not? Are you still refunding him? You have stated clearly here and privately to the Op that you will refund him, if he meets your terms.

Could you please outline clearly here on this thread  what these conditions are? If you require an ID, what type etc. Then the ball would firmly be in the Op's court. And if he fails to comply, it would be his loss. But asking for a third party exchange to get involved before proceeding is unrealistic, especially since you've indicated you don't believe they exist. Nip this in the bud. All the best.

We believe that the evidence provided is sufficient to suggest that a double spend was attempted.

When you send out a transaction with extremely low fees and a few hours later double spend it with extremely high fees, and you then repeat on the same pattern over and over again, that can not possibly be wallet misconfiguration or user error or fee saving. That's intentional fraud.

That being said, even if you disagree with the above, please note that Bitcoin Sportsbooks realize that due to the anonymous nature of Bitcoin, it may not always be possible to show to the public bullet proof evidence of fraud attempt.

For this reason, there is a standard universal rule among Bitcoin Sportsbooks that entitles them to confiscate coins when they believe a fraud is involved. Notice that we say "believe", not "prove".

All top Bitcoin Sportsbooks have the same rule, and we all confiscate coins when fraudulent activity is involved.

Hackers will always find ways to exploit and unfortunately that's the only effective measure we have to combat them.

Here is the rule of NitrogenSports :


Here is the rule from BitcoinRush :


BetcoinSports


We have a similar rule :


Notice we all say "when we believe that fraudulent activity is involved".

You might not agree with it, you might argue that it gives us too much freedom, but it is clearly stated and we are not forcing anyone to accept it and bet on our website.

During the past 2.5 years we have developed extensive knowledge, experience and tools that allow us to distinguish between fraud attempts and regular bets.

By placing bets on our website bettors accept our terms of service.

You should know that all other Sportsbooks confiscate coins due to fraud and that in most cases it is not possible to show undisputable evidence of the fraud.


As we informed you from the very beginning, in order to proceed you first need to pass a standard KYC procedure to authenticate the contact information that you provided for the agreement and we will then prepare the agreement for you to sign.

The agreement will say that you understand what you did is against our terms and conditions and that we may confiscate your coins if you attempt to do it again. It will also say that after getting your bet back you will not have any further claims against DirectBet.

It's really the minimum we have to do given the circumstances. I can assure you here in public that your contact information will remain confidential.

Even though we can confiscate your bet per our terms and conditions, we are willing to refund it as a goodwill gesture and in an effort to resolve this matter but unfortunately so far you have not cooperated.

directbet thank you very much for your reply and your painstaking effort at educating the community. Personally I never knew these clauses existed @ these books. And I've gambled on a few of them. Maybe some good could come out of this after all.The public needs to know about these clauses, then it would be their choice to bet or not if they don't agree with them. But a bettor must know that once they bet, they are bound by these T&C's even if they consider them unfair.

Could another member start a thread about these clauses in the gambling section? I might take it upon myself to in the future if no one does.

@ hungerstyle, the ball is in your court now. DirectBet has stated clearly that they are willing to refund you. This is their own way of reaching a compromise, and I urge you to meet them halfway.

Yes it is uncomfortable sending in pics and ID'S, and under normal circumstances I wouldn't advice anyone to send in their dox. But these are not normal circumstances. Obviously directbet cannot prove conclusively that it was a double spend attempt. But you also can't prove that it wasn't. Their terms clearly states that all they need to confisticate your btc is to "believe" there was an attempt to defraud them. And this could be the case here. When you bet with them you were bound by their T&C's.

So please go ahead and complete their KYC (know your customer) procedure and put an end to this, to get your refund.

I am not sure what it entails, but my guess is that you need to send them a government issued ID, verify your address and maybe a phone number. After you've completed it, directbet will send you an agreement to sign.Then issue you a refund. If there is anything you don't understand,  pls ask here. I am sure someone would be kind enough to help.

@ directbet, for the sake of transparency,  kindly list what info's and details hungerstyle should send you as kyc, and where he should send them to. Thank you.

Not sure yu can put " No Account, No Deposit

Send your bets to a designated
address and your winnings will be
sent back directly to your wallet.
Completely Anonymous.
No questions asked !
"

on homepage then hold coin hostage


but to make work and you not respond to email since may 30 to ask what you need so you just write it off to ignore. maybe because with btc price you just keep now.



What do you need since you not respond to email anymore

Yeah directbet.eu, how about making clear what your kyc entails?  If you sincerely want this matter solved, how about responding to hungerstyle's emails?

I don't think you have presented any evidence of a double spend attempt against DirectBet.eu by the OP.
1. This is not what happened.
2. This would only be fraud if the sender of the original transaction received some kind of benefit from the original transaction and the recipient of the transaction provided that benefit while relying on a 0/unconfirmed transaction.

If you cannot show the public this evidence and keep the better's money anyway, then you will be viewed by the public as untrustworthy.

So you might be able to weasel your way out of a lawsuit, but this does not change the public perception of your site if you have confiscate money like you have to the OP



I have personally trusted Nitrogen Sports with large amounts of BTC, while sending them transactions with 0 fees, placed a bet, won the bet prior to my deposit receiving a confirmation, and then withdrew without any issues after the transaction confirmed. Sometimes their spam filters will prevent me from getting instant credit for a 0 fee transaction so I will wait for a single confirmation.

I would not however trust your site with any of my money if I wanted to place a sports bet.

So you have never fallen victim to people double spending loosing bets?

That is BS and you know it.

As we informed you via e-mail more than a month ago, we require that you send us a photo copy of your passport and a recent utility bill to confirm the contact information that you provided for the agreement.

We will then send you an agreement to sign. We already posted here the content of the agreement.

As soon as you send us back the signed agreement we will return your coins.

We seriously want to resolve this matter with you and hope that you will cooperate.

ok i post to share once you send

Hope to see this end, was getting worried op gave up.

Db now have scan passport internet bill + sign agreement. Agreement say post payout to original 1E66h8kzMvmQobkQDDtSwxmR8SDzUxqzhd so everyone blockchain see. I just now will claim with local exchange now.

NICE! directbet over to you now, Op just confirmed he has submitted the kyc documents. It's your turn now to do as promised and refund
Op.   

I see no bitcoin sent to 1E66h8kzMvmQobkQDDtSwxmR8SDzUxqzhd

Is the bs over or no?

Obviously directbet.eu never wanted to refund hungerstyle. Demanding his dox was only a charade, designed to masquerade as if they intend to, making them look like the good guys.

I wonder what their next move would be? Maybe demand hair, blood and saliva samples before refunding money they had no right to keep in the 1st place.

Reading the complete topic i just got to one conclusion.
"DIRECTBET CAN SCAM YOU WHENEVER THEY WANT"
1.First off all there is no solid proof that proves it that OP was trying to cheat there system and even if he tried,he agreed to not do it again and still Directbet did not refund him and furthermore asked him to fullfilll KYC,what a bullshit.It's not cash or banks involved that you would need to do KYC and moreover it would not stop him to do the same again in future by being anonymous.
2.Secondly,i only seem to guess,that directbet just tried to make OP giveup.They never intentioned to return his bitcoins.Clearly directbet if you are reading this then understand it,it's your mistake that your site is exploitable not OP.
I thought i would start betting on directbet but seeing this thread,just changed my mind  ;)

Hi XXXX

We still haven't heard back from you. You didn't attach your passport to the

agreement as requested.

As we informed you, the passport that you sent before we prepared the
agreement is invalid since it does not include a passport number.

Please send a photo copy of your passport in the specific way we asked
before we sent you the agreement.

If you don't have it available you can alternatively send your NC driver
license.

If that's not possible either please reply with an explanation for that and
lets discuss other possible solutions.

Since you posted in public there are people waiting for us to respond. We
therefore ask that you reply within 24 hours. If we don't hear from you
within the next 24 hours we will assume you are not interested in
cooperating and the deal is off."""






I send copy of passport + bill. Obvious not give passport number with identy theif all over internet so black out number of scan.

Directbet just rush with now want driver license picture???

So clear DB not intend with 24 hour deal off and more and more and more.

They are just making you fool. They are scammers after all

Why am I not surprised? directbet.eu asking for more dox.... You never intended to refund hungerstyle directbet.eu. Quit the charade. We   see through your scam. What do you need his passport number for? How would that info ensure your platform won't be exploited?

directbet.eu Why don't you post your gambling licence for all to see? Your address?  Phone numbers? An anonymous book asking for official dox. This is just stupid.  Pay the man his money. Why make things impossible after claiming you "really" want this solved. Your 24 hours ultimatum only shows how desperate you are to steal the btc.

His passport number?  Are you fucking serious?

Ive remained quiet on this recently because I believed it was going to be worked out.

Now, over a month after the bet is made, Directbet has the audacity to say "If we don't hear from you
within the next 24 hours we will assume you are not interested in
cooperating and the deal is off."

You deserve every bit of negative trust coming your way Direct Bet.

I wish Some GREEN TRUSTED Member can also neg rep "DirectBet"
Why does still no green trusted member has neg rep directbet yet? i think we should pm users like VOD etc  ;)

After more than a week of silence, hungerstyle finally sent a passport and utility bill.

However, the passport provided is invalid, as it does not have a passport number, and it was manipulated in an image editing tool. In addition, the address in the utility bill does not match the address previously given for the agreement, it's not even in the same country !

Nevertheless, in an effort to make a progress, we prepared and sent him an agreement to sign, and we asked that he attach to the agreement an image of himself holding the passport that he just sent along with a note of today's date.

hungerstyle sent us back the agreement while completely ignoring our passport request. He then rushed to the forums here to announce that he complied with our request, even though he was fully aware that he did not.

We then asked him again to comply with our passport request and he replied that he does not have access to his passport.

In an effort to expedite the progress we asked if he can send his driver license instead. At that point he stopped responding to our e-mails and finally after more than 20 hours and only after we gave him a deadline he replied that he does not have a driver license while failing to suggest an alternative.

hungerstyle is either trying to make a fun of us, or he is stalling to buy some more time that will allow him to obtain new faked documents on the dark markets in order to meet our requirement.

It's time to put an end to this.

We gave hungerstyle 24 hours to send us his passport or driver license. We are also open to discuss an alternative government official document that he can send within this time frame. It really shouldn't take him more than a minute to take a picture of himself with an official ID, unless of course the documents that he provided are faked.

If he fails to do so we will assume he can't comply, that the documents submitted are faked, and will declare the KYC as failed. We will not accept new documents afterwards.

If he does end up complying with our request it will take us a few days to verify the documents after which we will send him the coins.

I haven given them negative rep for the time being, until this is cleared up, normally i don't bother with it.
I love directs site btw, but seems like this is something that needs to be cleared up.

Even tho i am a little concerned about those double spends because Ive seen an increase on a few sites that are gambling related.

It doesn't make sense to request a license, passport, or signed documents of any kind to return the coins.  Those things can't prevent this from happening again, as someone could easily use a different wallet address, different computer, and different IP.  Unless you are saying that you are going to start requesting dox from every single person on your site (which, again, won't be able to stop what you think is going on from happening).  The only way to prevent this is to stop allowing 0 confirm bets.  You already have playing wallets in the casino, it makes no sense to not integrate that into the sportsbook as well (and no, I don't mean sending your coins from your casino wallet to fund sportsbets, I mean being able to carry a balance on the sportsbook).  This is how every other major sportsbook operates.  The only ethical thing to do is to refund the man's money and shore up your security issues.  It would be nice if you lowered your insanely high juice as well, but one issue at a time.

Its truly pathetic to see you discussing KYC requirements to justify keeping 38btc you never intended to keep.

Stop spewing crap and  pay  the man his money.....Why should he send you his dox anyway? If I were him I wouldn't. You are an unlicensed book. You are anonymous,  Why in God's name do you need his dox to return the funds?  Stop shifting the goal post directbet.eu.

I would like to point out the very fact you asked him to upload his passport to imgur is reason enough for anyone not to trust you with their personal information.  He would be fool to send anything but fake documents, but you knew that.  You arent protecting your business, your only protecting your BTC38.

Directbet is NOT scam.

hungerstyle tried to FRAUD them.

Trying to find:
1. when the transaction was made
2. when the transaction was confirmed
3. when the match began and ended..




That is an absolutely incorrect statement. :P



It doesn't matter what the TOS says here. What matters is what they actually do, and how the community assesses the behavior.

Let me know if this is incorrect.

Time of transaction: 2016-05-12 14:28:01
Confirmation: 2016-05-13 02:52:11
Match began at: 05/12/2016 21:30


If the transaction was confirmed after the match has ended, I would consider this a double-spend attack and Directbet has the right to confiscate the bet amount.

However, this could be unintentional, so Directbet can consider a partial/full refund of the bet amount.



Directbet shouldn't ask for personally identifying information and should add a note that the bet should be confirmed within X minutes (or minimum fees) or the bet will be invalid and the bet refunded and enforce it.

That's the problem.  You can't assume that someone has ill intentions and use that as an excuse to steal their money.  What if I bet on a rugby game or horse race (two sports with short durations) and the block just takes a long time to be confirmed?  Do they have the right to not pay me out because technically the bet was confirmed after the match ended, even though that was entirely out of my control?  That's not right. 

Listen, is it possible that the coins could have been double spent?  Yes, it's possible.  But the fact that Directbet HAS the coins proves that it wasn't double spent.  You can't punish someone if they haven't broken the rules.  If the rules are structured in such a way that it's easy to game the system, that's on the site to shore up and protect themselves.  By leaving themselves open to potential vulnerabilities and punishing people who haven't taken advantage of those vulnerabilities, they are actually guilty of doing to customers what they are accusing the customers of doing to them.

...bet they won't upload their passports to imgur tho.

I would disagree with this. The sender has very little control over when his transaction will get confirmed. I am not sure about directbet, but I know that nitrogensports often has live betting up until very near the end of American football games, so if someone were to deposit and place a bet, there is a good chance that the game will be over long before the next block was confirmed.

There is also the issue that blocks are currently full and many people do not understand how to include an appropriate fee attacked to their transaction (just look at how many people are complaining about problems with their transactions).

If directbet thought that the bet in question was going to be a double spend attempt if the bet lost then they should not have accepted the bet in the first place. Directbet has essentially freerolled the OPs bet by accepting it and subsequently claiming it was a double spend attempt.

I have previously left directbet a negative rating and encourage others to do the same in order to warn others about their shady behavior.

As mentioned, this could be unintentional and they see that they might of placed the bet too much so they try to not confirm the bet by sending the same amount again causing the double spend scenario?

I dont know it can go both ways though.

At this point if they are agreeing to send his btc, why dont they just do that. I feels theres no need the kyc requirement seems overbearing at this point the longer the thread continues.

As I've said before, I would would never send my real dox in Hungars situation.
If I did:

What if another double spend attempt happens, will DB assume it's me?  What would he do with my dox then?  

Also, he initially requested the dox be uploaded to imgur, suggesting he does not understand or respect what comes with keeping private information private.

DB, Delete whatever dox you have, return the voided wager and move on.

As a goodwill gesture and in an effort to resolve this matter we refunded hungerstyle bet that was initially confiscated due to fraud attempt :

https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=128iBKnkKPcSPcwZEDMK7sSMJGodx3n47o

We also paid out in full hungerstyle other winning bet that was put on hold during this incident :

https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=12Yef7jVW6PsjJgkTZJqD5jJKoweMvt8Wk

hungerstyle informed us that this resolves this matter to his satisfaction.

https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/f63b25a5aa5654c1c459e81b7aba402c48fade61bdb845858ce8ef9119044840/

Glad you decided to do this DB.

Removing neg trust pending any double spend attempt...(justkidding)

Hopefully this is a momentary lapse in judgement and not a pattern of abuse.  I'm glad that they did the right thing (eventually).  I think we can all say that compared to a site like Betcoin, Directbet is light years ahead when it comes to handling sensitive situations like this.

Couldn't agree more.

Good on you, directbet.eu, it must have been a difficult decision, but you did the right thing. Kudos.

Apologies for ragging on you, nothing personal. Just tired of seeing books abuse customers trust,not just bitcoin books,  but fiatbooks as well. It's good to know you can be trusted.

Now please reduce your high overound and maybe, just maybe you could really be the best book in these parts.

Good job Directbet for resolving this. :)


I see this funny, OP is accused of a double spend attack for a potential profit of 10BTC.. and not even a neutral feedback. :P



In this case I think it is very unlikely (though possible) this was unintentional. This doesn't look a like a simple low-fee-took-some-time-to-confirm case at all.





The claim is that OP bypassed it.


Fair refund amount : reference (https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:x1RWF3vHohcJ:https://directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml%3FBetID%3D128iBKnkKPcSPcwZEDMK7sSMJGodx3n47o+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk)
36.54957306 * (1-0.3) = 25.584701142BTC

;D

nice to see this has been settled. directbet A+++

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After 2-3 hours spending to read all post of this thread, I can assume that DB is very nice guys and I'd love to say I like his site so much.

The only thing that I suggest to prevent all problem's like this in the future is:

1. Make clearly your TOS
2. Improvement your system
And the most important thing is:
3. Do not try to cheating if you are nice guys

BTW, glad to see HS get back his money and special thank to DB you can make some lifes.

Cheers