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Title: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: Simran on March 13, 2013, 04:53:25 AM Well, jasinlee is working on an FPGA and told me he's nearly done with them. With that said, that's a stepping stone for LTC knowing that LTC has now became very much profitable and if worthy of such a device. I want to thank everyone that's been here since the start, and the new people that re here to contribute to LTC's fame. <3
Sorry, I went off on a love trip for a moment. Anyways, about the FPGA's, they're almost done, I will be testing one before they come out to show you guys(video?) :D and I can only hope that this makes LTC a better currency and a great competitor to BTC(No more of that silver to gold sheeit)! The site's are not done yet, but when they are, I'll update the link here! Pics too! Stay tuned and watch this thread for some new stuff. --Simran Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: jasinlee on March 13, 2013, 04:56:26 AM Still trying to squeeze a demo unit out of me huh? Just to be clear we are not done yet, but we are nearing completion. I am not giving out a bunch of details for now, partly due to competition and partly due to my knowledge of how the technical aspects being limited.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: msm595 on March 13, 2013, 04:59:53 AM No preordering either, I take it?
What currencies will we be able to order it with? Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: Simran on March 13, 2013, 05:01:38 AM No preordering either, I take it? What currencies will we be able to order it with? No preordering, jasinlee says all preordering offers will be declined! jasinlee, what payments accepted? Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: tacotime on March 13, 2013, 05:01:55 AM Pm if you're in need of a reviewer who is well known here, I have meter devices to measure power draw too.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: jasinlee on March 13, 2013, 05:03:14 AM We will accept litecoin for payment. But that is also not setup yet so it is all in the stay tuned phase.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: grubles on March 13, 2013, 05:45:31 AM Cool. So you won't give up any details?
Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: smoothie on March 13, 2013, 05:46:45 AM Simran you had to go and make a thread huh? lol :D
Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: jasinlee on March 13, 2013, 06:03:41 AM Not anything important :P
Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: Monster Tent on March 13, 2013, 07:09:53 AM Dont show us a box of fans lol.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: grubles on March 13, 2013, 07:11:27 AM Not anything important :P Nothing out of the ordinary here, folks. Nothing to see here. Move along.Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: jasinlee on March 13, 2013, 07:13:56 AM Not anything important :P Nothing out of the ordinary here, folks. Nothing to see here. Move along.What he said. Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: smoothie on March 13, 2013, 07:18:07 AM Not anything important :P Nothing out of the ordinary here, folks. Nothing to see here. Move along.What he said. Box o fanz... PIX NAO! lol :P Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: Simran on March 13, 2013, 07:51:40 AM Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: Negcreep on March 14, 2013, 12:43:42 PM Can't wait to hear what hashing speed and cost is of these babies.
Nice work! Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: FuzzyBear on March 14, 2013, 03:36:35 PM How much for one of those bad boys!!... look much better than the BFL Fans :P http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-D-wRZhw2R3A/UFM8SEmsKNI/AAAAAAAABFg/YIhDLi6sBdw/s1600/gurning+face.jpg Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: Palmdetroit on March 14, 2013, 04:48:43 PM Sweet keep this updated. I want to know when so I can move onto the next thing and dump all this sheot to the greater fools.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: Simran on March 14, 2013, 08:45:33 PM Will keep you guys updated! :)
Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: matauc12 on March 14, 2013, 10:12:08 PM Will keep you guys updated! :) I don't know, it doesn't look like jasinlee wants you as his PR guy, so... who are you? Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: samurai1200 on March 14, 2013, 11:07:40 PM Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: shibaji on March 14, 2013, 11:09:21 PM I am very interested in this project, and would love to have a change to buy one, if sold.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: jasinlee on March 14, 2013, 11:31:32 PM I will give plenty of updates when there is something to report that will not lead to speculation about prices, hashrates, power consumption, how much street cred I have, why smoothie isnt dead after drinking so much sugar, why simran is forever alone etc. I will release info when we have real numbers that can be demonstrated as fact rather than guesstimates. I do appreciate the interest everyone has expressed in the PMs, but I cannot give out info via PM either.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: jasinlee on March 14, 2013, 11:32:19 PM Lol if only. This project would have been done already if that was the case. Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: Tomatocage on March 14, 2013, 11:44:25 PM Sweet keep this updated. I want to know when so I can move onto the next thing and dump all this sheot to the greater fools. 4-6 weeks. Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: meebs on March 15, 2013, 12:04:53 AM Still trying to squeeze a demo unit out of me huh? Just to be clear we are not done yet, but we are nearing completion. I am not giving out a bunch of details for now, partly due to competition and partly due to my knowledge of how the technical aspects being limited. I think you meant to say... "we are working on this.. but we are the opposite of BFL.. so all we can say is we are working on it. We dont want your coins yet and we wont guestimate a ship date". Good work though! I honestly feel good cheap mining solutions will be a key to keeping a currency viable long term. Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: jasinlee on March 15, 2013, 12:27:45 AM Agreed, and I may poke fun, but I don't feel like a flame war with any PR reps from other companies so I will try to keep my sarcasm under control.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: BitcoinINV on March 15, 2013, 12:31:01 AM I like the way this is happening, cant wait to see a finished product.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: samurai1200 on March 15, 2013, 12:34:30 AM ...speculation about prices, hashrates, power consumption, how much street cred I have, why smoothie isnt dead after drinking so much sugar, why simran is forever alone etc... oh dang, DEEP into the btce trollbox! Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: chriswen on March 19, 2013, 01:49:25 AM So, I was like aww missed bitcoin jump. Remember wanting to buy at $8 and when it went to $15 I was like so expensive. And then last time I checked it was $25 and now its $50. Have like 0.2 bitcoin.
But, I do have 25 litecoin that I mined and that has increased in value :D. Anyways I'm really interested in FPGA but was wondering what's the price range going to be. Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: efx on March 19, 2013, 01:57:01 AM "why smoothie isnt dead after drinking so much sugar, why simran is forever alone etc."
:D Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: wizzardTim on March 21, 2013, 02:45:59 PM I will give plenty of updates when there is something to report that will not lead to speculation about prices, hashrates, power consumption, how much street cred I have, why smoothie isnt dead after drinking so much sugar, why simran is forever alone etc. I will release info when we have real numbers that can be demonstrated as fact rather than guesstimates. I do appreciate the interest everyone has expressed in the PMs, but I cannot give out info via PM either. Thank you jasinlee for the great news and for the effort it took creating the world's first FPGA LTC board!! Please count me in for any update, not only regarding the real numbers that can be estimated, but for purchasing some also. Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: SyRenity on March 21, 2013, 03:00:52 PM Would love joining this project to even out the mining field (vs. Avalon latest pricing scheme...).
Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: BBQKorv on March 21, 2013, 03:24:25 PM I could see this selling very well if it's more power efficient than GPUs and also reasonably priced in comparison to GPU with a similar hashrate. Looking up for this!
Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: jasinlee on March 21, 2013, 03:55:34 PM We have a lot of interest in the project so far, just taking it one day at a time. When we have more info we will announce it, the first batch will likely be small, but that is still a while away.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: ElectricMucus on March 21, 2013, 04:32:14 PM I am curious what are you up to? Make a memory controller into the FPGA and pack a bunch of DRAM chips onto the board?
Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: jasinlee on March 21, 2013, 05:16:12 PM I am curious what are you up to? Make a memory controller into the FPGA and pack a bunch of DRAM chips onto the board? Wouldn't you like to know! https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRXAITNm1GkgSvKdmnfAhb0D2E2FkfwkT35BRH_8vZXdOUTp6Qh Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: SyRenity on March 21, 2013, 05:36:20 PM We have a lot of interest in the project so far, just taking it one day at a time. When we have more info we will announce it, the first batch will likely be small, but that is still a while away. Do consider giving early adopters a fair chance to get the unit, rather than turning it into Black Friday sale ala Avalon. By the way, asking today on BTC-E regarding LTC FPGA miner, I got an answer that such miner could not be powerful enough for the mining algorithm, what do you say? Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: jasinlee on March 21, 2013, 05:44:49 PM I say, there are lots of "internet engineers" and they do not always know what they are talking about. They are assuming we are doing things the way they would do it....assuming they have any idea what they are talking about in the first place.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: shibaji on March 21, 2013, 06:07:29 PM We have a lot of interest in the project so far, just taking it one day at a time. When we have more info we will announce it, the first batch will likely be small, but that is still a while away. Do consider giving early adopters a fair chance to get the unit, rather than turning it into Black Friday sale ala Avalon. By the way, asking today on BTC-E regarding LTC FPGA miner, I got an answer that such miner could not be powerful enough for the mining algorithm, what do you say? That is absolutely BS. May be they meant no FPGA currently on the market will be efficient - this is completely different from the blanket statement. FPGA is a generic model (slower simulation) for any ASIC, and anything that an ASIC can do, can be done through FPGA. I am not pulling this out of thin air. I am in EDA industry for past 15 years, and have been dealing with all big shots in ASIC/FPGA customers. I am very very excited about this project as well, and of course, concur you statement about early adopter - and request the same to jasinlee. Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: mr_random on March 21, 2013, 06:10:53 PM The title of this post is going to be very ironic in coming months.
I predict most the benefits of fgpas will simply be lower power consumption per coin. Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: shibaji on March 21, 2013, 06:14:30 PM The title of this post is going to be very ironic in coming months. I predict most the benefits of fgpas will simply be lower power consumption per coin. Your prediction is incorrect. Until the market for LTC matures enough so that someone takes a shot at ASIC, FPGA will rule. Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: ElectricMucus on March 21, 2013, 06:35:38 PM I am curious what are you up to? Make a memory controller into the FPGA and pack a bunch of DRAM chips onto the board? Wouldn't you like to know! https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRXAITNm1GkgSvKdmnfAhb0D2E2FkfwkT35BRH_8vZXdOUTp6Qh Of course I would, but since you aren't really forthcoming: I smell BS. Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: jasinlee on March 21, 2013, 06:42:24 PM There are several methods to provide the memory, why would I disclose it publicly so others could use that as a starting point in their own design? That would be completely idiotic. I will point out basic stuff, but not design details or methods.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: jasinlee on March 21, 2013, 06:43:43 PM The title of this post is going to be very ironic in coming months. I predict most the benefits of fgpas will simply be lower power consumption per coin. It would be ironic, if I made the thread.... Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: bushstar on March 21, 2013, 06:45:11 PM I will be waiting patiently. Good luck to you.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: ElectricMucus on March 21, 2013, 06:47:25 PM There are several methods to provide the memory, why would I disclose it publicly so others could use that as a starting point in their own design? That would be completely idiotic. I will point out basic stuff, but not design details or methods. From what I can tell there are 3 potential methods: On FPGA blockram only, highest bandwidth but FPGAs with a good amount are freaking expensive. External SRAM, easy implementation but not as cost effective External DRAM, needs to dedicate FPGA resources for refreshing circuitry but memory is a lot cheaper and there might be spare logic blocks anyway (so that what I did bet on) I don't really think there are other options. And from what I know the choice is obvious. Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: jasinlee on March 21, 2013, 06:52:25 PM Then why ask :P ? Our method will be a bit unique so I dont want to be putting that out there. I am sure if you run a business you can respect that.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: ElectricMucus on March 21, 2013, 06:56:17 PM Then why ask :P ? Our method will be a bit unique so I dont want to be putting that out there. I am sure if you run a business you can respect that. I don't I am merely curious, but I might consider buying one if I know what I would get. ;) Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: tgsrge on March 21, 2013, 07:04:09 PM To anyone passing by:
nothing to see here, move along. In this regard, Litecoin specialized/custom hardware will not be Bitcoin: part deux. scrypt is made -specifically- to make custom hardware (such as fpgas, and others) attacks much more costly/less beneficial than otherwise it would be without it. Unless they have discovered a vulnerability/flaw/subtle property no one else knows about, the MOST they are going to get is power savings. Dont expect anywhere near the same kind of advantage that asic/fpga has over other means of mining as in bitcoin. fpgas and the other forms of custom hardware wont have the same volume savings as gpus, the same amount of engineering, nor nearly the same amount of r&d $ to back it up. again, all they will get is possibly some power savings, and even this being due to the fact they dont have to deal with the power overhead of the rest of the components in a pc gives other miners. until (and if) this comes out and we see what it's capable of (or they post actual proof of the benefits of their custom hardware) i'm gonna stand by this, and others have no reasons to do otherwise. Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: jasinlee on March 21, 2013, 07:06:50 PM When we have a complete product, I will publish info, I am not going to take preorders or screw with peoples heads with conjecture about our final speeds/design/kwh/delivery dates/color/size/weight/cup size. I will happily chit chat about it if it does not touch on something that could cause problems later.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: jasinlee on March 21, 2013, 07:12:07 PM To anyone passing by: nothing to see here, move along. In this regard, Litecoin specialized/custom hardware will not be Bitcoin: part deux. scrypt is made -specifically- to make custom hardware (such as fpgas, and others) attacks much more costly/less beneficial than otherwise it would be without it. Unless they have discovered a vulnerability/flaw/subtle property no one else knows about, the MOST they are going to get is power savings. Dont expect anywhere near the same kind of advantage that asic/fpga has over other means of mining as in bitcoin. fpgas and the other forms of custom hardware wont have the same volume savings as gpus, the same amount of engineering, nor nearly the same amount of r&d $ to back it up. again, all they will get is possibly some power savings, and even this being due to the fact they dont have to deal with the power overhead of the rest of the components in a pc gives other miners. until (and if) this comes out and we see what it's capable of (or they post actual proof of the benefits of their custom hardware) i'm gonna stand by this, and others have no reasons to do otherwise. All internet engineers are welcome to post their opinions in Simran's thread. Have fun. Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: mr_random on March 21, 2013, 07:19:38 PM To anyone passing by: nothing to see here, move along. In this regard, Litecoin specialized/custom hardware will not be Bitcoin: part deux. scrypt is made -specifically- to make custom hardware (such as fpgas, and others) attacks much more costly/less beneficial than otherwise it would be without it. Unless they have discovered a vulnerability/flaw/subtle property no one else knows about, the MOST they are going to get is power savings. Dont expect anywhere near the same kind of advantage that asic/fpga has over other means of mining as in bitcoin. fpgas and the other forms of custom hardware wont have the same volume savings as gpus, the same amount of engineering, nor nearly the same amount of r&d $ to back it up. again, all they will get is possibly some power savings, and even this being due to the fact they dont have to deal with the power overhead of the rest of the components in a pc gives other miners. until (and if) this comes out and we see what it's capable of (or they post actual proof of the benefits of their custom hardware) i'm gonna stand by this, and others have no reasons to do otherwise. Yup. This. If research computer scientists haven't found an effective way to parallel compute Scrypt I doubt a random dude off an internet forum will figure it out all by himself and his soldering iron. Litecoin FGPAs will bring an advantage of course, but it will be nowhere near as dramatic as bitcoins ASICs. Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: jasinlee on March 21, 2013, 07:21:33 PM Of course it wouldn't be, Asics are not FPGAs. And as you probably did not notice I have noted before, I am not the vhdl developer...the random dude to which you refer actually is an altera engineer.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: tgsrge on March 21, 2013, 07:23:00 PM All internet engineers are welcome to post their opinions in Simran's thread. Have fun. No amount of "engineering" (read: buying crap, outdated, regurgitated, often counterfeited packages and pre-made ic from (more ofthen than not) dubious sources) is capable of making magic flying pink elephants appear in the sky.Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: ElectricMucus on March 21, 2013, 07:23:43 PM When we have a complete product, I will publish info, I am not going to take preorders or screw with peoples heads with conjecture about our final speeds/design/kwh/delivery dates/color/size/weight/cup size. I will happily chit chat about it if it does not touch on something that could cause problems later. That makes sense. It is just - from what I can tell that this would go beyond the effort of making a FPGA bitcoin miner and I doubt that anybody would be able to steal the concept based on a few specs. The development board alone needed to prototype the concept would cost a relative fortune alone. Lets just say I am surprised anybody goes through the hassle at this stage of Litecoin, or you could be just on time for the big rush. Either way good luck, you'll need it. Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: jasinlee on March 21, 2013, 07:29:14 PM Thanks, we have seen lots of indicators and heard of projects that we feel will cause ltc to be the leading coin in the next few months so, we like to think we are right on time.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: SyRenity on March 21, 2013, 07:36:09 PM As this thread turns, it quite reminds me of the initial Avalon postings. The entrepreneurs were met with ridicule, then with suspicion, then with accusations, and look like what it looks now in batch 3 pre-order.
I for one learnt the lesson of never discounting anything too early (until proven otherwise), and think you guys are definitely on time to market. I suggest everyone to wait until making their judgment and will be happy to support you as an early adopter. Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: Wekkel on March 21, 2013, 07:41:19 PM Thanks, we have seen lots of indicators and heard of projects that we feel will cause ltc to be the leading coin in the next few months so, we like to think we are right on time. Good to hear. LTC seems to have some good times ahead. Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: SyRenity on March 21, 2013, 07:42:20 PM Speaking on subject, I read somewhere scrypt is too complicated to be done in ASIC, therefore FPGA is the only way to go. Is it true?
Because otherwise (and forgive someone as ignorant in HW design as me), why not skip straight to ASIC? Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: tgsrge on March 21, 2013, 07:47:13 PM Speaking on subject, I read somewhere scrypt is too complicated to be done in ASIC, therefore FPGA is the only way to go. Is it true? asics are more complex. besides, you never release the absolute best of what you will have to offer as your first iteration. You always need to leave something out for the next iteration so people have a reason to buy your product.Because otherwise (and forgive someone as ignorant in HW design as me), why not skip straight to ASIC? Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: tacotime on March 21, 2013, 07:52:07 PM ASIC is the eventual way to go, FPGA paves the way by making an implementation consisting only of discrete logic units.
I've been a little dubious from the start (especially that they've chosen a 13 year old as one of the alpha testers), but laSeek seems dedicated and I'm interested to see what he comes up with. Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: jasinlee on March 21, 2013, 08:03:21 PM Speaking on subject, I read somewhere scrypt is too complicated to be done in ASIC, therefore FPGA is the only way to go. Is it true? Because otherwise (and forgive someone as ignorant in HW design as me), why not skip straight to ASIC? There are a couple reasons, for one something you need to understand ASICs are basically FPGAs that were custom made to do the same task, rather than a semi generic device being used to do the same function. Next to find out how to make the ASIC, you have to create the FPGA in the first place. And then there is the price, ASICs since they are completely custom, they have to be designed from the ground up and the cost is much more. Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: jasinlee on March 21, 2013, 08:13:17 PM ASIC is the eventual way to go, FPGA paves the way by making an implementation consisting only of discrete logic units. I've been a little dubious from the start (especially that they've chosen a 13 year old as one of the alpha testers), but laSeek seems dedicated and I'm interested to see what he comes up with. Not sure who you mean is alpha testing it, no one has the unit but the vhdl dev for the time being. And as noted before laSeek is only advising he is not the developer. Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: SyRenity on March 21, 2013, 08:25:18 PM Thanks, more clear now and makes a business sense.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: shibaji on March 21, 2013, 08:26:32 PM jasinlee, let me know if I can help in any way - simulation/synthesis/functional verification. If needed, I can send you my credentials privately. Best wishes.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: Simran on March 21, 2013, 08:32:14 PM ASIC is the eventual way to go, FPGA paves the way by making an implementation consisting only of discrete logic units. I've been a little dubious from the start (especially that they've chosen a 13 year old as one of the alpha testers), but laSeek seems dedicated and I'm interested to see what he comes up with. I turn 14 in September. Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: tacotime on March 21, 2013, 08:32:58 PM ASIC is the eventual way to go, FPGA paves the way by making an implementation consisting only of discrete logic units. I've been a little dubious from the start (especially that they've chosen a 13 year old as one of the alpha testers), but laSeek seems dedicated and I'm interested to see what he comes up with. Not sure who you mean is alpha testing it, no one has the unit but the vhdl dev for the time being. And as noted before laSeek is only advising he is not the developer. Oh, he's the one I'd been getting info on about it before. Who is the actual dev? As far as alpha testing I'm talking about Simram, since he's suggesting in this thread one if the first units is going to him. Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: tacotime on March 21, 2013, 08:35:49 PM Quote I turn 14 in September. Okay. I respect the fact that you spend a lot of time on Litecoin, but it'd be beneficial if you turned down the anti-gay/pot rhetoric and trolling a bit. Of course, this is coming from one if the former capital trolls here, but I've been trying to get a little more serious lately. Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: jasinlee on March 21, 2013, 08:37:07 PM Still trying to squeeze a demo unit out of me huh? Just to be clear we are not done yet, but we are nearing completion. I am not giving out a bunch of details for now, partly due to competition and partly due to my knowledge of how the technical aspects being limited. I figured everyone picked up on the sarcasm....simran much as I know it breaks your heart. You are not one of the alpha testers. So far there are only 2 and I am one of them. Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: Simran on March 21, 2013, 08:42:40 PM Still trying to squeeze a demo unit out of me huh? Just to be clear we are not done yet, but we are nearing completion. I am not giving out a bunch of details for now, partly due to competition and partly due to my knowledge of how the technical aspects being limited. I figured everyone picked up on the sarcasm....simran much as I know it breaks your heart. You are not one of the alpha testers. So far there are only 2 and I am one of them. :( :( :( I'm sure you and a few others do realize I'm trollan, and made this thread to get you some more attention before the release. Anyways, tacotime just mad cause he asked, but you said no, but he thought I was still finna test one LOL :trlf: Pm if you're in need of a reviewer who is well known here, I have meter devices to measure power draw too. ::) ::) ::) ::) ASIC is the eventual way to go, FPGA paves the way by making an implementation consisting only of discrete logic units. I've been a little dubious from the start (especially that they've chosen a 13 year old as one of the alpha testers), but laSeek seems dedicated and I'm interested to see what he comes up with. umadese? Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: jasinlee on March 21, 2013, 08:46:58 PM Stop poking fun at people Simran, change the title to like LTC FPGA discussion or something. I dont have a firm date so you dont for sure :P
Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: tacotime on March 21, 2013, 08:48:46 PM I'm never mad, just tired. Litecoin has gone from being a hobby to a major source of income for me now, as my graduate stipend is frankly awful as the gov't cuts more money from science and edlngineering, and my wife also has a disability that keeps her from working, so I'm starting to worry more about the health of the chain and of course I'd be worried if a scammy company like BFL would come out trying to sell Litecoin hardware.
The professionalism is my concern, not whether or not there are FPGAs or whatever. I can always sell my GPU rigs and buy FPGAs later. Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: Simran on March 21, 2013, 08:53:12 PM I'm never mad, just tired. Litecoin has gone from being a hobby to a major source of income for me now, as my graduate stipend is frankly awful as the gov't cuts more money from science and edlngineering, and my wife also has a disability that keeps her from working, so I'm starting to worry more about the health of the chain and of course I'd be worried if a scammy company like BFL would come out trying to sell Litecoin hardware. The professionalism is my concern, not whether or not there are FPGAs or whatever. I can always sell my GPU rigs and buy FPGAs later. Nice, man! You know I'm just trolling lol <3 I got love for all of y'all! We don't need BFL touching LTC at all. BFL Josh can such my dick while I'm hollering "187"! Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: SyRenity on March 21, 2013, 09:02:10 PM By the way, would it be possible to re-target this miner to alt. cryptos other then LTC?
Then plugging it to this feed would make a great multi-miner machine: http://dustcoin.com/mining Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: Simran on March 21, 2013, 09:09:19 PM By the way, would it be possible to re-target this miner to alt. cryptos other then LTC? Then plugging it to this feed would make a great multi-miner machine: http://dustcoin.com/mining It should work for any sCrypt coin. Other than that, the other coins use SHA-256 which BTC FPGA/ASICs can mine. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: tgsrge on March 21, 2013, 09:14:30 PM By the way, would it be possible to re-target this miner to alt. cryptos other then LTC? Since the "engineers" only dabble in the most vague details my answer will have to do:Then plugging it to this feed would make a great multi-miner machine: http://dustcoin.com/mining Merge mine?No. Switching back and forth from scrypt (litecoin) to others like bitcoin? Depends. They would need to specifically account for it, and this will add some amount of complexity to their implementation. It's doable but not likely. Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: 2112 on March 21, 2013, 09:26:58 PM External DRAM, needs to dedicate FPGA resources for refreshing circuitry but memory is a lot cheaper and there might be spare logic blocks anyway (so that what I did bet on) Why would you even enable refresh for the scrypt(1024,1,1) scratchpad? What is the probability that given memory cell in the scratchpad RAM will not be accessed within its maximum refresh period?Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: ElectricMucus on March 21, 2013, 11:41:21 PM External DRAM, needs to dedicate FPGA resources for refreshing circuitry but memory is a lot cheaper and there might be spare logic blocks anyway (so that what I did bet on) Why would you even enable refresh for the scrypt(1024,1,1) scratchpad? What is the probability that given memory cell in the scratchpad RAM will not be accessed within its maximum refresh period?You are right, it should work without refreshing. The question then is what is greater: The amount of invalid shares due to memory errors from non-deterministic refresh or the overhead from the refreshing circuitry? Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: 2112 on March 21, 2013, 11:46:40 PM You are right, it should work without refreshing. The question then is what is greater: The amount of invalid shares due to memory errors from non-deterministic refresh or the overhead from the refreshing circuitry? I don't get it. Are you kidding? What memory errors? scrypt(1024,1,1) provides perfect memory refresh for free, unless you somehow slowed it down, e.g. by a breakpoint in debugging.Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: ElectricMucus on March 22, 2013, 12:00:22 AM You are right, it should work without refreshing. The question then is what is greater: The amount of invalid shares due to memory errors from non-deterministic refresh or the overhead from the refreshing circuitry? I don't get it. Are you kidding? What memory errors? scrypt(1024,1,1) provides perfect memory refresh for free, unless you somehow slowed it down, e.g. by a breakpoint in debugging.I suspected as much too but wasn't sure there wouldn't be any "holes" in it. Are you certain that every cell of memory is used each time? Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: 2112 on March 22, 2013, 12:11:18 AM Are you certain that every cell of memory is used each time? Even if not, how long do the 1024 32-bit words have to stay valid until the next call to scrypt() overwrites all of them?Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: ElectricMucus on March 22, 2013, 12:25:45 AM Are you certain that every cell of memory is used each time? Even if not, how long do the 1024 32-bit words have to stay valid until the next call to scrypt() overwrites all of them?I honestly don't know. ??? Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on March 22, 2013, 01:45:35 AM I'd just like to add that even if this thing can only put out as many Kh/s as a GPU, costs the price of a GPU, uses less wattage compared to a GPU, and will just run on its own while doing all that, it'd be well worth it for me and for many others (I'm sure). This is obviously at the very least our aim, but anything better of course would be better. Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: 2112 on March 22, 2013, 02:26:07 AM Are you certain that every cell of memory is used each time? Even if not, how long do the 1024 32-bit words have to stay valid until the next call to scrypt() overwrites all of them?When doing 1 kilohash per second a completely new scrypt() is executed every 1ms, which overwrites all of the previous data. The maximum refresh period for most of DRAM chips is on the order of 64ms. For the homework solve the following problems: 1) how is the natural scrypt() refresh period affected by pipelining the implementation? 2) how is the natural scrypt() refresh period affected by reading the memory by a wider units than the 32-bit words native to scrypt()? If you solve the above without cheating you can upgrade yourself from "internet engineer". ;) Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on March 22, 2013, 05:29:45 AM Not just anyone can be an "Internet Engineer" you do first have to speak with authority.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: samurai1200 on March 22, 2013, 05:55:13 PM I'd like to volunteer my services. ;D I'm an IRL electrical engineer. I also have all the tools I'd need to do hardware & software level debugging at home (scopes, power supplies, etc).
I think their in-house guy is more than capable of doing such things, but I'm putting it out there just in case. ;) Title: Re: LTC FPGA's almost finished! Post by: CoinHoarder on March 22, 2013, 07:28:59 PM "why smoothie isnt dead after drinking so much sugar, why simran is forever alone etc." :D This made me LOL so hard. Also, I am very much looking forward to LTC fpgas, if not to mine with for myself, then for the increased security of the LTC network and less nuclear power plants running the LTC network. So excited :) Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on March 22, 2013, 07:42:44 PM We aim to please.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: Simran on March 22, 2013, 08:10:16 PM We aim to please. Please me by sending me one, uncle. Sheeit! I'm one dissatisfied pre-customer. :trlf: :trlf: :trlf: Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: SyRenity on March 24, 2013, 10:33:00 AM By the way, if you need a C/C++ developer for the project, PM me.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: Novus on April 06, 2013, 09:15:40 PM I'll be watching this..
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on April 06, 2013, 10:18:20 PM We completed our modules, and sent off for engineering samples, no we are not disclosing pricing/hashing info yet as we do not know what it will be by the time we go to production. There will most likely be at least 2 more redesigns when we have our samples. http://litecoinfpga.com (http://litecoinfpga.com)
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: shibaji on April 06, 2013, 10:27:52 PM We completed our modules, and sent off for engineering samples, no we are not disclosing pricing/hashing info yet as we do not know what it will be by the time we go to production. There will most likely be at least 2 more redesigns when we have our samples. http://litecoinfpga.com (http://litecoinfpga.com) Awesome!!! Eagerly waiting! :D A hint on the side of pricing would be helpful though - for people like me who do not have many bitcoins - and need to collect/buy them. A range is also fine. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: dli7319 on April 06, 2013, 11:36:05 PM So how long will you mine before selling them?
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: matauc12 on April 06, 2013, 11:42:33 PM So how long will you mine before selling them? 0 days, 2 years. All in his right and of low relevance to you.Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: shibaji on April 06, 2013, 11:43:43 PM So how long will you mine before selling them? Why do you even care ? Troll less ? Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on April 07, 2013, 12:09:51 AM Why wouldn't I keep a sample amount of the units we produce to mine? How could we know that the units work if we did not test them?
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: aa on April 07, 2013, 12:30:39 AM .
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: Benny1985 on April 07, 2013, 12:56:18 AM You should at least have some sort of newsletter sign-up on your website or something.
Very interested in how this turns out. May be interested in a unit or two if they are viable! Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: Vorksholk on April 07, 2013, 01:09:38 AM Very excited for this project, the next step for litecoin is far underway :)
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: VforVictory on April 07, 2013, 01:10:38 AM You should at least have some sort of newsletter sign-up on your website or something. Very interested in how this turns out. May be interested in a unit or two if they are viable! There's usually no reason to get an FPGA unless you pay exhorbitant amounts on electricity. Last I recall, anyhow... Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: Vorksholk on April 07, 2013, 01:15:38 AM One question, likely something jasinlee would feel fine disclosing: Do you intend to work with one of the authors of a popular mining program to get bitstream support or are you making your own mining software solution? :)
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on April 07, 2013, 01:28:37 AM One question, likely something jasinlee would feel fine disclosing: Do you intend to work with one of the authors of a popular mining program to get bitstream support or are you making your own mining software solution? :) We are working on both actually. Although probably not in the way you are thinking. We want to enable people to have a simplified method of solo mining with the fpga. But we also want it to be compatible with the most common miners. We are not that far yet that is in the final phases. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: Krabby on April 07, 2013, 01:34:32 AM Hehe, very interesting indeed.
Add me to the tally of admirers. I dont suppose any financial support is needed? ^.^ Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: qiuness on April 07, 2013, 01:39:37 AM also interested!
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on April 07, 2013, 01:49:43 AM Hehe, very interesting indeed. Add me to the tally of admirers. I dont suppose any financial support is needed? ^.^ We have 2 investors we are talking to, but if they dont ever come through or we cant come to a good agreement.....or if we finish funding ourselves (original plan and doing well toward this direction now) then we will ask. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: Krabby on April 07, 2013, 02:26:59 AM Hehe, very interesting indeed. Add me to the tally of admirers. I dont suppose any financial support is needed? ^.^ We have 2 investors we are talking to, but if they dont ever come through or we cant come to a good agreement.....or if we finish funding ourselves (original plan and doing well toward this direction now) then we will ask. Great to hear, keep it up I say ;) Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: shibaji on April 07, 2013, 03:01:29 AM Hehe, very interesting indeed. Add me to the tally of admirers. I dont suppose any financial support is needed? ^.^ We have 2 investors we are talking to, but if they dont ever come through or we cant come to a good agreement.....or if we finish funding ourselves (original plan and doing well toward this direction now) then we will ask. Cool - I would be interested too. Let me know if you decide to get additional funding. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: wizzardTim on April 07, 2013, 08:04:15 AM I am interested too! Count me in for buying or investing!!
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: funnow on April 07, 2013, 09:39:56 AM I'm also trying to figure out for a litecoin FPGA, for a better price I have to buy much boards.
I'm still waiting to have a remote connection on the comptuter with this board. But I need a good bitstream for Stratix V Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: Endgame on April 07, 2013, 10:30:23 AM This looks promising. Will you be offering international shipping?
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: dan99 on April 07, 2013, 01:57:09 PM I really Hope it would would be out soon, timing is the essence..
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on April 07, 2013, 02:22:38 PM I am not sure if you are asking me to help your with your fpga? And yes we will.ship from the usa and europe so international should not be an issue.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: meteors2888 on April 07, 2013, 02:29:04 PM Hashrate?
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: matauc12 on April 07, 2013, 02:30:16 PM Hashrate? is r e a d I n g h 4 r d?Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: newtothescene on April 07, 2013, 06:05:38 PM I am also interested - looking forward to any updates on progress.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on April 07, 2013, 06:11:48 PM The hashrate cannot be determined yet, nor price, until we have completed production units.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: shibaji on April 07, 2013, 06:37:50 PM Anyone has a tl;dr of above ^^^ post ?
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: tacotime on April 07, 2013, 06:38:54 PM tldr I was a long bitcoin miner lost a lot of money investing in Tom/bASIC and think I missed the boat on LTC and am unsure whether or not I should invest in LTC FPGAs
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: FatMagic on April 07, 2013, 06:40:37 PM Putting my 2 cents in the hat. Looking forward to LTC FPGA's! I'll be (one-of-the) first in line to purchase when you roll them out.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: Krabby on April 07, 2013, 06:47:42 PM Putting my 2 cents in the hat. Looking forward to LTC FPGA's! I'll be (one-of-the) first in line to purchase when you roll them out. One-of-the indeed. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on April 07, 2013, 06:50:27 PM ------------ So I'd be very interested in the Litecoin mining gear - especially FPGA kit that consumes very little power. I have the risk appetite for this game as I've already shown, but the ASIC situation has me very wary of allocating further capital at Bitcoin mining equipment. I'm bored of GPUs and having my main house sweltering through winter at over 30 deg C with the windows open in winter (!!!!), and whilst a fancy rack of tens of GPUs can be used *right now*, I've also paid the electricity bills for a couple of quarters of constant use of such devices. They have very very substantial operating costs. A fancy FPGA assembly with 25-100 modular boards, whilst fun in terms of geek-appeal, also has the big benefit of not costing significant amounts of money to run. Finally (phew...) - is there something genuinely innovative and unique to your approach that gives you no competition, so that I should be seriously starting the process of considering allocation in your direction? What is the barrier preventing my existing cluster of Spartan-6 FPGAs being repurposed with cheap plug-in auxiliary boards and a new assembly plus bitstream (I won't play Internet Engineer, I'll simply ask my old college mate who does this for real, at a senior level - but I assume there's *some* hack possible to give additional working memory to my Ztex 1.15x boards... my 1.15d boards already have more resources to begin with though). Would your boards have fallback value too? Litecoin aren't worth much right now, so if your approach resembles the BTC experience where the FPGA units have around the same performance as a mid-range GPU but consume less than 1/10th the power, but cost more than the GPU up front, as a business case the time horizon is quite far away. This risk becomes more acceptable if the devices have intrinsic value (can be repurposed, or worst case, the chips recycled). Even better would be the ability to mine Bitcoin at low power, when transaction fees are the main mining income from *that* particular currency, if LTC doesn't work out. I once had a couple of thousand LTC floating around before my pool arranged auto-trade for BTC, and now the pool has stopped merged mining I've renewed my interest in LTC and have set up a few test rigs for 400-500khash. However, with the price of electricity, I want to be 100% FPGA and ASIC by the end of Q2. It's only a small operation after all, and I don't want the significant ongoing cost, heat and noise of GPU rigs. Seems though I have a choice - stick to Bitcoin, big risk, 'pre-order' nonsense with ASICs... or consider the first application of FPGA tech for the LTC blockchain. The fact that I've already lost on an ASIC 'pre-order' makes the BFL option rather unpalatable. But I'd like to keep mining - on a socioeconomic level, cryptocurrencies are a big deal to me philosophically, and part of me (less rationally) likes the 'silver to BTC gold' analogy of LTC. I'll be keeping an eye on this - when you're ready to take beta-level investors then I'd be interested. I'm no VHDL guru but I ported Stefan's (Ztex) toolchain to Mac OS X 64-bit 10.6.8 a while back, so am competent hacking the software side of things. I am not the dev for the vhdl, but my understanding (although probably limited obviously) is that the boards you referenced do not have enough LE's ALM's and are not fast enough. You could use them but you would be getting 20kh/s or less each board. Which depending on the amount of them you have available and the fact that they are paid for, it may actually be worth using them. As for modular, that is one of our goals, but that will come around when we finish the production units. As for the being burned by the ASICs, that really sucks, and was our motivation to not mislabel our investors as preorders. Its unethical. As for porting to mac, we may take you up on that, none of our devs really like dealing with apple :P Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: msm595 on April 07, 2013, 07:47:15 PM On to the sausage. I've always just merge-mined and traded the LTC for BTC. I ran a VERY small bitcoin mining operation - 5 GH/s worth of Ztex FPGAs, and at max 7.5 GH/s of various GPUs - my frame rigs have always been entertaining builds but 5 kW power consumption 24/7/365 in south east England didn't make much sense at £7 bitcoins. So the FPGAs are still chopping away, and I've let the GPUs fade out through natural wastage (running overclocked at max fan speed since 2011 is 'survival of the fittest' at the extremes). You can't merged-mine LTC... Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: dli7319 on April 08, 2013, 12:10:59 AM So how long will you mine before selling them? Why do you even care ? Troll less ? Its not trolling when it is a legitimate question, he is the only one making a fpga so he could mine without selling at all, BFL could have been mining the last 6 months, not shipping any preorders. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: samurai1200 on April 08, 2013, 12:14:11 AM FFS. Could we PLEASE let this be the ONE thread on BTCtalk that doesn't devolve into accusations of trolling and finger-pointing? PLEASE? JUST ONE THREAD???
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: shibaji on April 08, 2013, 12:35:19 AM So how long will you mine before selling them? Why do you even care ? Troll less ? Its not trolling when it is a legitimate question, he is the only one making a fpga so he could mine without selling at all, BFL could have been mining the last 6 months, not shipping any preorders. He is not selling "pre-order"s like BFL, so the question is not relevant. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: r3animation on April 08, 2013, 12:47:04 AM So how long will you mine before selling them? Why do you even care ? Troll less ? Its not trolling when it is a legitimate question, he is the only one making a fpga so he could mine without selling at all, BFL could have been mining the last 6 months, not shipping any preorders. Since he designed it and is producing it, he can do whatever he wants. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: matauc12 on April 08, 2013, 02:45:41 AM So how long will you mine before selling them? Why do you even care ? Troll less ? Its not trolling when it is a legitimate question, he is the only one making a fpga so he could mine without selling at all, BFL could have been mining the last 6 months, not shipping any preorders. People.... Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: Tranz on April 09, 2013, 04:00:23 AM Interested!
I have skill programing, USD, BTC, and LTC.... Waiting........... Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: BR0KK on April 11, 2013, 12:54:03 AM Erm. This thread, with its 'internet engineers' and 'self-proclaimed hardware alpha testers' turning out to be *14* yrs old is making me feel rather the dinosaur. However, whilst it's historically made more sense to sell spades to miners than to dig oneself, I've always been attracted to the shiny stuff. The great thing about cryptocurrencies is that they are intangible, so instead of getting all Sméagol about some chunks of polished high-density pretty-coloured metallic elements, it's actually more fun to assemble a big rack (erm, well only 25 of them) of little circuit boards and watch the blinkenlights. Ahem. I'm sure I'll get a YouTube style 14-word-max 'witty' putdown by the kids for writing complicated multi-clause sentences but, hell, blame it on multiple generational differences. On to the sausage. I've always just merge-mined and traded the LTC for BTC. I ran a VERY small bitcoin mining operation - 5 GH/s worth of Ztex FPGAs, and at max 7.5 GH/s of various GPUs - my frame rigs have always been entertaining builds but 5 kW power consumption 24/7/365 in south east England didn't make much sense at £7 bitcoins. So the FPGAs are still chopping away, and I've let the GPUs fade out through natural wastage (running overclocked at max fan speed since 2011 is 'survival of the fittest' at the extremes). I've just checked out the bitcoin price and it's £102. err wut? Now I've got money to invest in this, but after over £5k worth of FPGAs (and too much time designing and integrating a thermodynamically efficient assembly and power / control harness - though it was ACE fun), I decided to hold off and wait for the ASICs. Well, having lost quite a bit of money to 'bASIC Tom' (and I'm a consultant to the investment management industry in the 'real' world - having a track record delivering his FPGA product, compared to BFL's zero coupon, priced at par, junk bond 'pre-order' - I'd say that my due diligence was appropriately scaled for the investment and was genuinely surprised when he lost it...), I'm now resigned to having picked the wrong horse and having missed the boat, as well as liberally mixing metaphors right left and centre. For the youtubers - I'm still keen to maintain my tiny mining operation, but picked the wrong ASIC, and giving money to someone like BFL (which failed my risk analysis first time round) is guaranteed to leave me as a 'late adopter' and making no profit. There are a lot of screaming creditors who have already given BFL their money, and it's only fair that *if* BFL deliver an ASIC then they should get their units first. The evidence trickling out suggests that BFL only have a certain number of viable chips actually manufactured, so the number of working *devices* will be limited. It is very possible that BFL already know they can't fulfil all the orders on the books. With the smaller ASICs claiming a few tens of gigahash *per device*, other mining businesses who *do* get an ASIC or ten will be sitting on hundreds to thousands of GH/sec - my 5 GH/s of FPGAs will still be efficient, and pure profit, but just bugger all pure profit. In order to accumulate 1000 GH/s worth of my FPGAs, I'm looking at £100,000 capital investment and probably a couple of months just to put them all together - so that's the same again in lost consultancy (obviously it'd make sense to outsource, but building mad electronic assemblies is a bit like 'do-it-yourself supercomputer' assembly and really good fun :) )... So what to do? Bitcoin is getting expensive now - and whilst the Litecoin 'silver to Bitcoin's gold' didn't make much sense when you needed 140,000 LTC to buy a slice of pizza, it is looking a damn sight more reasonable now that you can get a gram of reasonable cocaine for less than a single bitcoin on the Silk Road these days (not that I'm a connoisseur - it's just a high-price product that has always cost multiple BTC, until recently...). Taking SR as an example, their website is geared up to pricing product in Bitcoins and Bitcents. This was never a problem, but now that the smallest 0.01 BTC figure seen throughout their merchant system (yeah, I know BTC is more divisible, but I don't know if SR's developers would need significant rewrites and concomitant change management risk to increase precision) is around £1, the cheaper products - even illegal drugs - are getting close to the minimum visible granularity. It's already annoying that postal charges are cheaper than the minimum the vendor can charge, etc. etc. etc. Let's say one *did* want drugs. In general, a retail customer wants to buy *small* quantities if mail-order, since larger quantities risk disproportionate penalties (possession vs. supply, etc. - at least here in the UK). The price of Bitcoin (and transaction costs in and out, if one doesn't mine) encourages purchases of a few BTC, but now that's a few hundred quid's worth of your chosen 'little luxury' and looking like 'distribution', especially for cheaper products. All the Silk Road needs to do is to bung some more zeros on their web shop, but again there's the peculiar psychological factor here. The majority of what I've written above will be dismissed as irrelevant nonsense by the subset of mathematicians who suffer from narrow-mindedness, because (correctly) everyone concerned could just think in ten thousandths of BTC and there's no problem. But humans don't think like that. Cryptocurrencies, after using them in the real world (tangible purchases - my first Bitcoin purchase wasn't an online bet or similar intangible or service, but actually a nice Canadian one ounce Silver Maple coin - whereas from most of my mad rambling you'd bet on drugs... heh), become *psychologically* associated as *money*. My BTC hasn't gone on drugs - I bought lots of (metal) coins and my ASIC 'purchase' was also BTC. So for me, even more so. Bitcoin and nice chunky bullion coins seem interchangeable (a whole new topic of discussion!). And it's *this* psychological aspect that makes LTC possibly viable. Technically, one only needs BTC and that great tool called 'mathematics' to divide them up. But it's getting similar to the idea of buying a nice bottle of wine with a Krugerrand. Let's say it's a nice enough bottle of plonk and the same price as one ounce of silver, a single chunky coin. The same chunky ounce *gold* coin would also buy the wine but would leave 98% of the value of the coin (based on £20 silver / £1000 gold). I could, as per the SR drugs analogy, take my Krugerrand and instead order 50 bottles of the wine, but it'd have to be damn good stuff and last a long time because I don't drink that often. So, back to psychological economics, it just *feels* right to buy that nice bottle of wine with a integer unit of an appropriately-valued coin, rather than using 49/50 of the value of a unitary coin worth much more. The original 'silver to Bitcoin's gold' does, in fact, make sense from the view of human behaviour (even though technically it's somewhat redundant). However, for this to work, Litecoin needs to be worth about the same ratio-wise. With BTC at £103 now, one LTC would need to be worth £1 or so - and it's not. So there's a potential early-adopter bandwagon here for those who didn't win the Avalon lottery. Selling LTC 'shovels' could turn out to be a sensible business plan, because investment activity with Bitcoin is already turning to gold-like behaviour (speculation / store of value) leaving a space for *transaction* currency (the silver analogy again, with industrial usage and old coinage). I grant that BTC could be in a big speculative bubble here, but with competitive devaluation in Western FX markets, some *are* genuinely using BTC as an inflation hedge and a means of capital preservation (albeit a risky one). And as a store of value, money velocity slows, saving is preferred over spending. So I'd be very interested in the Litecoin mining gear - especially FPGA kit that consumes very little power. I have the risk appetite for this game as I've already shown, but the ASIC situation has me very wary of allocating further capital at Bitcoin mining equipment. I'm bored of GPUs and having my main house sweltering through winter at over 30 deg C with the windows open in winter (!!!!), and whilst a fancy rack of tens of GPUs can be used *right now*, I've also paid the electricity bills for a couple of quarters of constant use of such devices. They have very very substantial operating costs. A fancy FPGA assembly with 25-100 modular boards, whilst fun in terms of geek-appeal, also has the big benefit of not costing significant amounts of money to run. Finally (phew...) - is there something genuinely innovative and unique to your approach that gives you no competition, so that I should be seriously starting the process of considering allocation in your direction? What is the barrier preventing my existing cluster of Spartan-6 FPGAs being repurposed with cheap plug-in auxiliary boards and a new assembly plus bitstream (I won't play Internet Engineer, I'll simply ask my old college mate who does this for real, at a senior level - but I assume there's *some* hack possible to give additional working memory to my Ztex 1.15x boards... my 1.15d boards already have more resources to begin with though). Would your boards have fallback value too? Litecoin aren't worth much right now, so if your approach resembles the BTC experience where the FPGA units have around the same performance as a mid-range GPU but consume less than 1/10th the power, but cost more than the GPU up front, as a business case the time horizon is quite far away. This risk becomes more acceptable if the devices have intrinsic value (can be repurposed, or worst case, the chips recycled). Even better would be the ability to mine Bitcoin at low power, when transaction fees are the main mining income from *that* particular currency, if LTC doesn't work out. I once had a couple of thousand LTC floating around before my pool arranged auto-trade for BTC, and now the pool has stopped merged mining I've renewed my interest in LTC and have set up a few test rigs for 400-500khash. However, with the price of electricity, I want to be 100% FPGA and ASIC by the end of Q2. It's only a small operation after all, and I don't want the significant ongoing cost, heat and noise of GPU rigs. Seems though I have a choice - stick to Bitcoin, big risk, 'pre-order' nonsense with ASICs... or consider the first application of FPGA tech for the LTC blockchain. The fact that I've already lost on an ASIC 'pre-order' makes the BFL option rather unpalatable. But I'd like to keep mining - on a socioeconomic level, cryptocurrencies are a big deal to me philosophically, and part of me (less rationally) likes the 'silver to BTC gold' analogy of LTC. I'll be keeping an eye on this - when you're ready to take beta-level investors then I'd be interested. I'm no VHDL guru but I ported Stefan's (Ztex) toolchain to Mac OS X 64-bit 10.6.8 a while back, so am competent hacking the software side of things. Same interest here. Small BTC Miner of Ztex boards (counts 18 Startan's; 3,9GH/s) with the luck not to have invested in false ASIC (i was 99% sure to go with bASIC!) and totally mised the Avalon preorders :P Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: e521 on April 17, 2013, 07:49:19 PM interested, subscribed to this 8)
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: 3ham3 on April 19, 2013, 09:55:14 AM I take my Hat off to you Sir!
Extremely Interested! Count on Pre orders from me! Cheers, A Middle Earth, LTC Miner. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: Dudey109 on April 19, 2013, 10:02:20 AM Add me to your list of interested partys :)
Thanks Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: wizzardTim on April 19, 2013, 10:08:58 AM Do not forget me 8) 8)
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: Luckybit on April 19, 2013, 10:38:59 AM ------------ So I'd be very interested in the Litecoin mining gear - especially FPGA kit that consumes very little power. I have the risk appetite for this game as I've already shown, but the ASIC situation has me very wary of allocating further capital at Bitcoin mining equipment. I'm bored of GPUs and having my main house sweltering through winter at over 30 deg C with the windows open in winter (!!!!), and whilst a fancy rack of tens of GPUs can be used *right now*, I've also paid the electricity bills for a couple of quarters of constant use of such devices. They have very very substantial operating costs. A fancy FPGA assembly with 25-100 modular boards, whilst fun in terms of geek-appeal, also has the big benefit of not costing significant amounts of money to run. Finally (phew...) - is there something genuinely innovative and unique to your approach that gives you no competition, so that I should be seriously starting the process of considering allocation in your direction? What is the barrier preventing my existing cluster of Spartan-6 FPGAs being repurposed with cheap plug-in auxiliary boards and a new assembly plus bitstream (I won't play Internet Engineer, I'll simply ask my old college mate who does this for real, at a senior level - but I assume there's *some* hack possible to give additional working memory to my Ztex 1.15x boards... my 1.15d boards already have more resources to begin with though). Would your boards have fallback value too? Litecoin aren't worth much right now, so if your approach resembles the BTC experience where the FPGA units have around the same performance as a mid-range GPU but consume less than 1/10th the power, but cost more than the GPU up front, as a business case the time horizon is quite far away. This risk becomes more acceptable if the devices have intrinsic value (can be repurposed, or worst case, the chips recycled). Even better would be the ability to mine Bitcoin at low power, when transaction fees are the main mining income from *that* particular currency, if LTC doesn't work out. I once had a couple of thousand LTC floating around before my pool arranged auto-trade for BTC, and now the pool has stopped merged mining I've renewed my interest in LTC and have set up a few test rigs for 400-500khash. However, with the price of electricity, I want to be 100% FPGA and ASIC by the end of Q2. It's only a small operation after all, and I don't want the significant ongoing cost, heat and noise of GPU rigs. Seems though I have a choice - stick to Bitcoin, big risk, 'pre-order' nonsense with ASICs... or consider the first application of FPGA tech for the LTC blockchain. The fact that I've already lost on an ASIC 'pre-order' makes the BFL option rather unpalatable. But I'd like to keep mining - on a socioeconomic level, cryptocurrencies are a big deal to me philosophically, and part of me (less rationally) likes the 'silver to BTC gold' analogy of LTC. I'll be keeping an eye on this - when you're ready to take beta-level investors then I'd be interested. I'm no VHDL guru but I ported Stefan's (Ztex) toolchain to Mac OS X 64-bit 10.6.8 a while back, so am competent hacking the software side of things. I am not the dev for the vhdl, but my understanding (although probably limited obviously) is that the boards you referenced do not have enough LE's ALM's and are not fast enough. You could use them but you would be getting 20kh/s or less each board. Which depending on the amount of them you have available and the fact that they are paid for, it may actually be worth using them. As for modular, that is one of our goals, but that will come around when we finish the production units. As for the being burned by the ASICs, that really sucks, and was our motivation to not mislabel our investors as preorders. Its unethical. As for porting to mac, we may take you up on that, none of our devs really like dealing with apple :P How about Linux? I'll be one of your first customers. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: WishIStartedSooner on April 19, 2013, 12:46:55 PM Is there a mailing list or something for this?
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: Lacan82 on April 19, 2013, 01:03:33 PM Interested as well :)
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: CoinHoarder on April 19, 2013, 01:15:36 PM I wonder how this is coming along. I've known that they were working on fpgas long before this thread started. It seems at this rate it might take forever for them to come to market with a product.They are being very hush hush with the development.
I feel sorry for the guy that drops 30k on GPUs, then they announce production the day after. A little update every now and then would be cool. O understand you are trying to be first to the market and don't want to give away any trade secrets, but please throw us a bone! Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: drewz on April 19, 2013, 02:01:13 PM also interested
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: nethead on April 19, 2013, 02:03:47 PM What? Who told about pre-orders? I remember jasinlee stating they will not accept pre-orders
What happened? Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: CoinHoarder on April 19, 2013, 02:06:13 PM What? Who told about pre-orders? I remember jasinlee stating they will not accept pre-orders What happened? Pretty sure there still are no preorders. People are just stating they're interested.. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on April 19, 2013, 03:33:14 PM What? Who told about pre-orders? I remember jasinlee stating they will not accept pre-orders What happened? The only thing I would consider close to a preorder is an investment group. And to date there is not one setup and I am to date I am funding everything myself. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: thesnoo23 on April 21, 2013, 02:06:48 AM What? Who told about pre-orders? I remember jasinlee stating they will not accept pre-orders What happened? The only thing I would consider close to a preorder is an investment group. And to date there is not one setup and I am to date I am funding everything myself. Well, do let us know if you're interested in anything like that. :P Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: hak8or on April 21, 2013, 02:42:14 AM Also interested in an FPGA board for LTC!
I am also somewhat experienced with Altium for PCB design and I have dabbled in some non BGA FPGA designs. I would be happy to help in any way that I can! Actually, is anyone here interested in possibly making an open source FPGA litecoin miner? I know next to nothing about FPGA programming, only a tiny smidgen of VHDL/Verilog, and also next to nothing about how to implement a scrypt based miner in any HDL. If we use a a BGA device with a reasonable amount of pins and not a very small pin pitch, then we can even use OSH park for 4 layer PCB's! Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on April 21, 2013, 02:55:54 AM Also interested in an FPGA board for LTC! I am also somewhat experienced with Altium for PCB design and I have dabbled in some non BGA FPGA designs. I would be happy to help in any way that I can! Actually, is anyone here interested in possibly making an open source FPGA litecoin miner? I know next to nothing about FPGA programming, only a tiny smidgen of VHDL/Verilog, and also next to nothing about how to implement a scrypt based miner in any HDL. If we use a a BGA device with a reasonable amount of pins and not a very small pin pitch, then we can even use OSH park for 4 layer PCB's! When we finish the production units we will be publishing full documentation for scrypt/salsa fpga development and hardware implementation. As for updates, we are making some revisions to the layout this week my dev told me today. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: hak8or on April 21, 2013, 03:40:39 AM When we finish the production units we will be publishing full documentation for scrypt/salsa fpga development and hardware implementation. As for updates, we are making some revisions to the layout this week my dev told me today. That is absolutely fantastic news! When you are referring to documentation, do you mean you will release the source, including both the software implementation and the hardware implementation including both the schematic and gerber files, all under a GPL or MIT license, or am I possibly misunderstanding something? Regardless, best of luck with this project! Initially, is this being payed for out of your own pocket? If so, that is quite possibly a very risky endeavour, especially if you are paying someone else to do the design! I am sure that the community is extremely thankful for you taking on such a large initial cost. How are you getting around the higher memory requirements for scrypt? Are you soldering DRAM onto the PCB, or will you be using DIMM's, allowing customers to add more memory if they wish? Xilinx or Altera? Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on April 21, 2013, 05:11:38 AM When we finish the production units we will be publishing full documentation for scrypt/salsa fpga development and hardware implementation. As for updates, we are making some revisions to the layout this week my dev told me today. That is absolutely fantastic news! When you are referring to documentation, do you mean you will release the source, including both the software implementation and the hardware implementation including both the schematic and gerber files, all under a GPL or MIT license, or am I possibly misunderstanding something? Regardless, best of luck with this project! Initially, is this being payed for out of your own pocket? If so, that is quite possibly a very risky endeavour, especially if you are paying someone else to do the design! I am sure that the community is extremely thankful for you taking on such a large initial cost. How are you getting around the higher memory requirements for scrypt? Are you soldering DRAM onto the PCB, or will you be using DIMM's, allowing customers to add more memory if they wish? Xilinx or Altera? I cant disclose the details yet, but when we do get production units in hand we will publish whatever we can without endangering our business plans. However, our goal is to grow ltc as a whole so anything we do will be to further that goal. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: thesnoo23 on April 21, 2013, 07:55:16 AM Well, I hope you have great success. :)
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: Robre on April 22, 2013, 04:49:43 AM Any new developments?
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on April 22, 2013, 04:50:49 AM Since yesterday ? :P
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: Robre on April 22, 2013, 04:53:44 AM Sure ;D
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: peacefulmind on April 22, 2013, 04:54:16 AM Since yesterday ? :P ;) I think you will find the community willing to order some as soon as you have that info available - may eventually want 20, but would order 4 paid upfront on first day to support further LTC development. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on April 22, 2013, 05:08:34 AM I am looking into possibly setting up a security like mentioned before similar to how asicminer set theirs up. I have been in contact with someone already about possibly doing the investment group method. So we will see how it pans out and if this is the direction that is best for everyone.
I do want to point out, that no matter what happens, I think it best that these by default be setup for solo mining to avoid a large network majority forming like it has on bitcoin. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: Daegalus on April 22, 2013, 05:35:15 AM Thats a good idea. I will be sure to buy some. I am currently single GPU mining, so any amount will be beneficial, and external and not frying my GPU.
I am interested in pre-orders, first day buys, or even securities. I will invest into a security. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on April 22, 2013, 05:56:48 AM Well it would simply make sure that there is no mistake as to whether someone is an investor or placing a preorder.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: Mastergerund on April 22, 2013, 06:26:55 AM I am interested in news on any developments, too.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: Robre on April 22, 2013, 06:04:18 PM Well it would simply make sure that there is no mistake as to whether someone is an investor or placing a preorder. I would be interested in whatever your an is at this point. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: tacotime on April 22, 2013, 06:31:05 PM I do want to point out, that no matter what happens, I think it best that these by default be setup for solo mining to avoid a large network majority forming like it has on bitcoin. If you sell me one I'll gladly do so! I can also give you investment money too, but I need some specs before doing so (cost to produce, scaling, efficiency, etc). Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: thesnoo23 on April 22, 2013, 10:24:54 PM I do want to point out, that no matter what happens, I think it best that these by default be setup for solo mining to avoid a large network majority forming like it has on bitcoin. If you sell me one I'll gladly do so! I can also give you investment money too, but I need some specs before doing so (cost to produce, scaling, efficiency, etc). No. Bad Taco. You go work on MC2, and I will be an early adopter and become rich and live in bermuda or something. THEN you worry about FPGA :P Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: shibaji on April 22, 2013, 11:25:22 PM Well it would simply make sure that there is no mistake as to whether someone is an investor or placing a preorder. I would be interested in whatever your an is at this point. Parse error? :D :D :D Good one. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: tacotime on April 22, 2013, 11:40:13 PM No. Bad Taco. You go work on MC2, and I will be an early adopter and become rich and live in bermuda or something. THEN you worry about FPGA :P :D Update coming this week, wrote my last exam, hopefully everything went okay. I want to talk to one of my friends at Microsoft who works on data storage and structures about the scalability problem, too. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: dell00 on April 23, 2013, 02:03:25 AM Is there any link about this product to look around?
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: YipYip on April 23, 2013, 02:30:35 AM The hashrate cannot be determined yet, nor price, until we have completed production units. Once again dependant on specs and $ I will take 10 Currently i have 10kw solar with my 15m (30 m by the end of this week) and FGPA seems like the natural progression Whats the ETA on having some numbers ? So that we can start to salivate with the mental excel spreadsheet that lives in all of us :D Or can u give us ball park or do u want to hold for solid info ? P.S Please dont say the "A" word as we are all hiding from that BTC bullshit here in LTC world Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: CoinHoarder on April 23, 2013, 02:37:08 AM So that we can start to salivate with the mental excel spreadsheet that lives in all of us :D Isn't it the worst when you're in the middle of entering random difficulties and LTC exchange values into your spreadsheet and your brain gives you the BSOD? :-[ Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: YipYip on April 23, 2013, 02:44:51 AM So that we can start to salivate with the mental excel spreadsheet that lives in all of us :D Isn't it the worst when you're in the middle of entering random difficulties and LTC exchange values into your spreadsheet and your brain gives you the BSOD? :-[ I call that a hang over ...lol Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on April 23, 2013, 03:03:11 AM So that we can start to salivate with the mental excel spreadsheet that lives in all of us :D Isn't it the worst when you're in the middle of entering random difficulties and LTC exchange values into your spreadsheet and your brain gives you the BSOD? :-[ I call that a hang over ...lol Our aim is to match the common video cards used for mining. For both price/hash, bare in mind we would hvae to add our profit margin on top of it. But we are not done so yeah as you pointed out I wont say "A" word about it until we are absolutely sure of a decent number. Then when that number is announced we will endeavor to make it faster. Rule of thumb is under promise, over deliver. This is our aim in this case. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: LouReed on April 23, 2013, 03:45:46 AM Camt wait!! I'll be in for several!
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: YipYip on April 23, 2013, 05:08:44 AM So that we can start to salivate with the mental excel spreadsheet that lives in all of us :D Isn't it the worst when you're in the middle of entering random difficulties and LTC exchange values into your spreadsheet and your brain gives you the BSOD? :-[ I call that a hang over ...lol Our aim is to match the common video cards used for mining. For both price/hash, bare in mind we would hvae to add our profit margin on top of it. But we are not done so yeah as you pointed out I wont say "A" word about it until we are absolutely sure of a decent number. Then when that number is announced we will endeavor to make it faster. Rule of thumb is under promise, over deliver. This is our aim in this case. Good to see some professionalism in an area that has been dominated by some major AssHats of EPIC proportions With a partner of mine we will be up for another purchase of ~ 20k in about 4 weeks lets hope u have something a bit more solid so we can hopefully send it your way or hold off on GPU's if u are getting close Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: duketogo on April 23, 2013, 05:14:27 AM Allow me to throw my name in the hat as interested in a modest number of units. (2 to 4)
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: HotSwap on April 23, 2013, 07:00:14 AM Excited for a few myself!
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jambaman42 on April 23, 2013, 07:37:27 AM I'm definitely interested in a couple of these if I could swing it
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: mkmen on April 23, 2013, 08:03:31 AM Well, i know i'm not really helping with this, but count me in for a few too 8)
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: mtbitcoin on April 23, 2013, 08:09:07 AM Lol.. in too :-)
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: wizzardTim on April 23, 2013, 08:25:40 AM me too 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: magnificat_mafia on April 23, 2013, 10:44:49 AM I would buy a few
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: batman, not crabman on April 23, 2013, 10:51:25 AM Also registering my interest, although only for a few.
Power here is 0.23 AU/kWh and half my profit goes on power costs so... Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: colonelmustard on April 23, 2013, 01:54:13 PM Registering my interest here.
Willing to purchase in bulk (>20) too, depending on price to performance ratio. Cheers. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: El Dude on April 23, 2013, 01:59:53 PM willing to buy 1 or 2 , if I can pay credit or paypal , no LTC at the moment
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: Walter Rothbard on April 23, 2013, 02:05:02 PM Rule of thumb is under promise, over deliver. This is our aim in this case. If only every business owner in the *coin world were like you. I just discovered this. Looking forward to seeing great things, and I would probably be interested in ordering at least one unit. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: AMD FTW on April 23, 2013, 03:07:30 PM I'm interested as well and will purchase numerous ones pending performance numbers of course. Funds are ready whenever the design is. For me electricity isn't a big deal being I pay $0.09 KW/Hr which is pretty good considering that power+line delivery costs+taxes
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: ThickAsThieves on April 23, 2013, 11:22:46 PM I'm interested as well and will purchase numerous ones pending performance numbers of course. Funds are ready whenever the design is. For me electricity isn't a big deal being I pay $0.09 KW/Hr which is pretty good considering that power+line delivery costs+taxes Just thinking out loud here, but are sure that hyper-efficient litecoin mining wouldn't actually kill its value? Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on April 23, 2013, 11:24:18 PM Not with the upcoming release of new services this summer.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: Fife on April 23, 2013, 11:28:45 PM How do FGPA's compare to GPU for Hashrate? or is it that they save more electricity?
I'm building a LTC mining rig over the next month and looking at all my options, especially if I should just save it. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: roy7 on April 23, 2013, 11:58:18 PM How do FGPA's compare to GPU for Hashrate? or is it that they save more electricity? I'm building a LTC mining rig over the next month and looking at all my options, especially if I should just save it. I don't know about the designs people are talking about or how it'll work on LTC, but the previous generation of BTC miners seemed to run similar to GPU in cost to hashing power (or a bit more expensive), but with much lower power usage. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: hod928 on April 24, 2013, 12:08:32 AM Definitive interested in these when more info becomes available!
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: ltcminer on April 24, 2013, 12:38:09 AM I am also interested if the product is ready.
I did a brief googling on FPGA, and saw that there is PCI-e FPGA card. I am wondering if this type of card can access system memory and therefore provide the memory needed by scrypt algo. PCI-e has adequate bandwidth and perhaps acceptable latency? Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: pyra-proxy on April 24, 2013, 12:45:16 AM I'm interested as well and will purchase numerous ones pending performance numbers of course. Funds are ready whenever the design is. For me electricity isn't a big deal being I pay $0.09 KW/Hr which is pretty good considering that power+line delivery costs+taxes Just thinking out loud here, but are sure that hyper-efficient litecoin mining wouldn't actually kill its value? Depends on what the miners did with them, some will sell just enough to cover the bills of operation, electric, personal time, etc. While some may keep dumping and yet others will hoard every red ltc earned... naturally if there are more of the first and last kind of miners you'd expect a price increase regardless of the economy growing for ltc, if most of the miners are in the middle group then it all depends on if the ltc economy grows in terms of businesses/services/demand accordingly.... In any case I'm willing to bet the first scenario is very likely... Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: ltcminer on April 24, 2013, 01:08:45 AM Just thinking out loud here, but are sure that hyper-efficient litecoin mining wouldn't actually kill its value? High performance ltc hardware should secure the currency more,as long as the public as equal access to the hardware, similar to the availability of consumer grade GPUs. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: Trance104 on April 24, 2013, 03:57:11 AM I too look forward to this development.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on April 25, 2013, 03:52:51 AM I too look forward to this development. I should have a bunch of info to post in the next week hopefully. Stay tuned. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: mskryxz on April 25, 2013, 04:06:43 AM I'm in.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: Luckybit on April 25, 2013, 04:20:01 AM Interested.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on April 25, 2013, 04:43:16 AM https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,2702.0.html (https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,2702.0.html)
Official thread. When I get my brain working again (not much sleep today) I will make one here too. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: bushstar on April 25, 2013, 07:22:49 AM https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,2702.0.html (https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,2702.0.html) Official thread. When I get my brain working again (not much sleep today) I will make one here too. Awesome, are you accepting pre-orders yet? ;) Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on April 25, 2013, 07:23:46 AM Yes, but you can only pay in NVC (sarcasm).
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: bushstar on April 25, 2013, 07:31:57 AM Yes, but you can only pay in NVC (sarcasm). A fellow fan of Novacoin. If you provide your Novacoin address, I will send you the coins? Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: shibaji on April 25, 2013, 07:33:15 AM Yes, but you can only pay in NVC (sarcasm). A fellow fan of Novacoin. If you provide your Novacoin address, I will send you the coins? Dude - read the thread. At least visit the link he provided just two post back. Sheesh ... did you even click on the official thread link - the post to which you replied ? Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: bushstar on April 25, 2013, 06:54:12 PM Yes, but you can only pay in NVC (sarcasm). A fellow fan of Novacoin. If you provide your Novacoin address, I will send you the coins? Dude - read the thread. At least visit the link he provided just two post back. Sheesh ... did you even click on the official thread link - the post to which you replied ? I was being purposely obtuse in my previous two posts on this thread. I'm just trying to bring the number of times jasinlee is asked about pre-orders to about a million times ;) Sorry jasinlee. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: msm595 on April 25, 2013, 08:45:02 PM Will you be opening up investment to the public?
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on April 25, 2013, 08:52:53 PM Yes.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: msm595 on April 25, 2013, 09:26:30 PM Awesome, can't wait :).
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: justabitoftime on April 25, 2013, 10:57:27 PM I'm interested in the investment opportunity.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: VJain on April 26, 2013, 02:34:14 AM Excited for the upcoming announcement :D!
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: gisfrancisco on April 26, 2013, 02:43:38 AM I'm interested as well.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: CoinHoarder on April 26, 2013, 02:56:04 AM Judging by this thread and the other LTC fpga thread, whoever makes the first $crypt fpga is going to be rich.
Good luck Laseek and Jasinlee, I'm pulling for you guys! :) Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on April 26, 2013, 03:09:00 AM Judging by this thread and the other LTC fpga thread, whoever Good luck Laseek and Jasinlee, I'm pulling for you guys! :) FTFY :P Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: Starlightbreaker on April 26, 2013, 04:11:24 AM and i can assume you made it already?
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on April 26, 2013, 04:14:48 AM and i can assume you made it already? ;D Made does not mean its production worthy yet. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: ebildude123 on April 26, 2013, 04:40:53 AM Looking forward to a LTC FPGA.
It'll definitely strengthen up LTC's network speed and make mining easier Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: saddambitcoin on April 26, 2013, 04:48:37 AM and i can assume you made it already? ;D Made does not mean its production worthy yet. How about you post how we can make our own FPGAs ourselves? Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on April 26, 2013, 05:03:49 AM When we have completed production units, that is exactly what we are going to do, I think I mentioned it elsewhere as a white paper.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: markm on April 26, 2013, 05:07:52 AM Since you it seems working on free open source hardware, I hope you are on the DeVCoin receivers lists for that? Or at least that your team is, or somesuch?
-MarkM- Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on April 26, 2013, 05:13:28 AM We had discussed it with unthinkingbit on the outset. But it was outside the range that DVC could support at the time for project costs. But you have a good point, it might not be outside that realm now that DVC has grown so much since last year.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: dell00 on April 27, 2013, 07:12:19 AM Do the FPGA miner come out? any further info about Jasinlee's project?
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: markj113 on April 28, 2013, 08:36:39 AM Defo up for one of these.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: WishIStartedSooner on April 29, 2013, 04:20:41 AM im really excited about this cause this is a "next big thing" that im actually going to be able to afford to get in on in time.
at least i think. any idea how much for one of these? Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on April 29, 2013, 04:49:10 AM 1$/khash should be a reasonable goal for any initial start, then obviously progress from there.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: WishIStartedSooner on April 29, 2013, 04:56:36 AM 1$/khash should be a reasonable goal for any initial start, then obviously progress from there. *salivates* Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: johnmatrix on April 29, 2013, 05:46:15 AM The fpgas wast good for bitcoin and will not be good for ltc
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: msm595 on April 29, 2013, 05:50:47 AM The fpgas wast good for bitcoin and will not be good for ltc I hesitantly agree. My 7950 is $0.5/khash, so I'm not quite seeing the incentive for litecoin FPGA right now.Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: dan99 on April 29, 2013, 05:52:13 AM The fpgas wast good for bitcoin and will not be good for ltc I hesitantly agree. My 7950 is $0.5/khash, so I'm not quite seeing the incentive for litecoin FPGA right now.couldn't agreed more.. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on April 29, 2013, 06:12:32 AM The fpgas wast good for bitcoin and will not be good for ltc I hesitantly agree. My 7950 is $0.5/khash, so I'm not quite seeing the incentive for litecoin FPGA right now.couldn't agreed more.. You seem to have forgotten the starting point part :P the optimizations would go from there. I would not want to consider anything that did not at least have that as a starting point, and then move to a lower $ per khs ratio. Anything higher on the $ per khs ratio would make the ROI too high. Essentially, I would not want to release any production units that were not able to match at least that ratio. But obviously if the initial ratio does not suit someone they should probably not invest. I will not give out unrealistic estimates to the public. Under promise, over deliver. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: batman, not crabman on April 29, 2013, 11:04:35 AM It also depends how much you pay for power...
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: digitalindustry on April 29, 2013, 12:53:06 PM and i can assume you made it already? ;D Made does not mean its production worthy yet. How about you post how we can make our own FPGAs ourselves? Totally agree and I'd like to comment on a point a previous poster made about mining with the device themselves: 1. I think he had a totally relevant point. 2. this is a free market so all encouragement to anyone mining with their own developed device. 3. significant advantages still exist with Scrypt because FPGA are more assessable than a ground up ASIC. 4. I always claimed that past a unit price point BTC would become a sovereign mined currency /sovereign/large institution. 5. Scrypt can and will make distribution more accessible - even if it means FPGA becomes the next biggest DIY event in history. 6. makes me wonder why a Corp like ATI or even Nvidia owners (or a 100 others) have not cottoned onto a PCIe device as of yet? strange free market capitalism quirk. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: DaCash on April 29, 2013, 01:45:31 PM digitalindustry , i think this is excellent idea! Why relevant pro's have not yet made device based on some crypto acc, like http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/data_brief/DM00038836.pdf . Or did they? ::)
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: roy7 on April 29, 2013, 02:06:51 PM Simran is someone who didn't even understand why getting the cheapest PSU for a mining rig is a bad idea let alone test an FPGA for LTC. This is more than likely the beginnings of a scam. Simran has nothing to do with the development of jasinlee's LTC FPGA, as far as I know, other than maybe demo'ing one and posting here about them before jasinlee wanted him to. So don't see the relevance. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: WishIStartedSooner on April 29, 2013, 02:27:47 PM This is more than likely the beginnings of a scam. I base this on nothing but gut instinct, but I've read this whole post. I also clicked on janislee's name and read what he's posted elsewhere. He seems nothing but sincere, and intent on being more professional than BFL. Anytime someone posts something that sounds even remotely serious about following through on a LTC FPGA he's right there offering all manner of technical input to the OP. I think I'm in. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: digitalindustry on April 29, 2013, 02:28:21 PM digitalindustry , i think this is excellent idea! Why relevant pro's have not yet made device based on some crypto acc, like http://www.st.com/web/en/resource/technical/document/data_brief/DM00038836.pdf . Or did they? ::) you poor guy, OK just show me where Joe Six pack can buy that ? and yes Joe Six pack essentially matters in a market, any market , if you are unsure about that just head on over the FOMC meeting and have a listen in. to simplify that , the market is a market of humans so humans matter in the market. you also might want to check out the history of Long Term Capital . ( i will resist the eye roll) Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: gica_contra on April 29, 2013, 03:00:17 PM 6. makes me wonder why a Corp like ATI or even Nvidia owners (or a 100 others) have not cottoned onto a PCIe device as of yet? strange free market capitalism quirk. How many units do you think would sell compared to video cards? 1%? 5%? Costs of R&D for a big corporation are 1 or 2 orders of magnitude higher than for a small one because they want their product to work in 99.999% of the use cases rather than 99%. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: msm595 on April 29, 2013, 03:13:12 PM This is more than likely the beginnings of a scam. I base this on nothing but gut instinct, but I've read this whole post. I also clicked on janislee's name and read what he's posted elsewhere. He seems nothing but sincere, and intent on being more professional than BFL. Anytime someone posts something that sounds even remotely serious about following through on a LTC FPGA he's right there offering all manner of technical input to the OP. I think I'm in. I completely agree. I may not see the current value in having the fpgas now at this moderate effeciency, but I trust janislee and know that fpgas are the next step, even if only in better securing the network for lower power usage. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: digitalindustry on April 29, 2013, 03:19:27 PM 6. makes me wonder why a Corp like ATI or even Nvidia owners (or a 100 others) have not cottoned onto a PCIe device as of yet? strange free market capitalism quirk. How many units do you think would sell compared to video cards? 1%? 5%? Costs of R&D for a big corporation are 1 or 2 orders of magnitude higher than for a small one because they want their product to work in 99.999% of the use cases rather than 99%. depends on the build cost production ratio , how many other electrical devices get created compared to video cards? it is not a video card market is it. there is a reason there is no device right now , but that could be related to market information, again the market decides that . Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: roy7 on April 29, 2013, 03:20:26 PM I'm assuming a scrypt FPGA could mine any scrypt coin not just LTC, like you can mine any sha256 coin with sha256 miners?
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on April 29, 2013, 04:22:12 PM I'm assuming a scrypt FPGA could mine any scrypt coin not just LTC, like you can mine any sha256 coin with sha256 miners? You do have the right of it, and thanks for the support guys on here. If any of you decide to make your own fpga, let me know I dont mind helping. We really need to secure the network further before all the goodies get released in the coming months. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: Cranky4u on May 10, 2013, 05:46:05 AM In Australia I am paying ~AU$0.28/kWh and therefore any FPGA development puts me on par with cheap arse elec costs in other parts of the world...so please develop some :)
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: Rora on June 09, 2013, 09:18:18 PM News on this project??
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: FiiNALiZE on June 09, 2013, 09:23:59 PM In Australia I am paying ~AU$0.28/kWh and therefore any FPGA development puts me on par with cheap arse elec costs in other parts of the world...so please develop some :) Holy crap and I thought paying $0.16/kWh was expensive. How do you survive on those crazy rates? lol you'll be better off buying solar panels Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on June 09, 2013, 10:22:37 PM Updates are on the thread in my signature. I will tend to update there more often since it is the ltc forum.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: WishIStartedSooner on June 13, 2013, 02:05:54 PM In Australia I am paying ~AU$0.28/kWh and therefore any FPGA development puts me on par with cheap arse elec costs in other parts of the world...so please develop some :) Holy crap and I thought paying $0.16/kWh was expensive. How do you survive on those crazy rates? lol you'll be better off buying solar panels I'd imagine his dollars are AUD, not USD. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: markm on June 13, 2013, 02:12:15 PM I get 400 MHash from 5870's but only 250 KHash, so GPUs seems really bad for me for scrypt mining, the myth that they do as many kilohashes mining litecoins as they do megahashes mining bitcoins is just a myth to me so far, and I would much rather buy FPGAs than try windows to see whether it is true that windows gets better kilihashes than linux does.
-MarkM- Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: ptereh on June 30, 2013, 04:09:21 PM In Australia I am paying ~AU$0.28/kWh and therefore any FPGA development puts me on par with cheap arse elec costs in other parts of the world...so please develop some :) Holy crap and I thought paying $0.16/kWh was expensive. How do you survive on those crazy rates? lol you'll be better off buying solar panels I'd imagine his dollars are AUD, not USD. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: anarchyx on June 30, 2013, 05:07:49 PM I get 400 MHash from 5870's but only 250 KHash, so GPUs seems really bad for me for scrypt mining, the myth that they do as many kilohashes mining litecoins as they do megahashes mining bitcoins is just a myth to me so far, and I would much rather buy FPGAs than try windows to see whether it is true that windows gets better kilihashes than linux does. -MarkM- I get 400 kh/s scrypt on my 5870's and like 380mh/s sha... Stock speed across the board. Strange. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: ptereh on July 02, 2013, 12:34:57 PM I get 400 MHash from 5870's but only 250 KHash, so GPUs seems really bad for me for scrypt mining, the myth that they do as many kilohashes mining litecoins as they do megahashes mining bitcoins is just a myth to me so far, and I would much rather buy FPGAs than try windows to see whether it is true that windows gets better kilihashes than linux does. -MarkM- I get 400 kh/s scrypt on my 5870's and like 380mh/s sha... Stock speed across the board. Strange. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: zackclark70 on July 02, 2013, 01:11:28 PM I get 400 MHash from 5870's but only 250 KHash, so GPUs seems really bad for me for scrypt mining, the myth that they do as many kilohashes mining litecoins as they do megahashes mining bitcoins is just a myth to me so far, and I would much rather buy FPGAs than try windows to see whether it is true that windows gets better kilihashes than linux does. -MarkM- I get 400 kh/s scrypt on my 5870's and like 380mh/s sha... Stock speed across the board. Strange. 7950 is 630kh+ even when undervolted Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: igba on August 06, 2013, 07:26:50 PM update?
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on August 06, 2013, 07:32:00 PM Thread in sig.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: barwizi on August 06, 2013, 08:43:59 PM I get 400 MHash from 5870's but only 250 KHash, so GPUs seems really bad for me for scrypt mining, the myth that they do as many kilohashes mining litecoins as they do megahashes mining bitcoins is just a myth to me so far, and I would much rather buy FPGAs than try windows to see whether it is true that windows gets better kilihashes than linux does. -MarkM- not a myth, pseudo fact. windows will get you higher rates but that will be punctuated with just as many crashes. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: CoinBuzz on August 07, 2013, 08:58:57 PM 7950 is 630kh+ even when undervolted what is your configuration for that 630kh ?? how much did you undervolted it? Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: zackclark70 on August 07, 2013, 09:36:06 PM 7950 is 630kh+ even when undervolted what is your configuration for that 630kh ?? how much did you undervolted it? 1050mhz core 1250mhz ram 1.050v 630kh+ Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: gudmunsn on September 03, 2013, 08:44:14 PM I'm running 622khash/sec on my sapphire 4L 7950's:
cgminer -o url -u user -p pass -I 18 --scrypt --gpu-engine 1110 --gpu-memclock 1650 --gpu-fan 85 --auto-fan --temp-overheat 80 queue 0 scantime 3 expiry 30 so for 2 of them I get about 1250 khash :) Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: androz on September 16, 2013, 04:46:27 PM guys, did u see this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlzTyBjIins i haven't read all thread (so maybe u already discussed this), sorry in advance :) Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: gica_contra on September 16, 2013, 04:52:44 PM guys, did u see this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlzTyBjIins i haven't read all thread (so maybe u already discussed this), sorry in advance :) so 1 fat indian guy and 3 asian guys managed to download an open-sauce bit-stream to a FPGA... color me impressed... Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: markm on September 16, 2013, 05:19:59 PM So how are scrypt FPGA projects coming along?
I really hate screwing around with GPUs, lets get FPGA on the market! -MarkM- Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: bitcoin-world.de on September 16, 2013, 08:15:38 PM I have 3x 7950 with each at 630-650 khash/s in Scrypt. All Cards are Bios modificated and undervolted by another downgrade bios. All Cards runs smoothly with this bios version and compared to the original its power consumption is lower and the cards run much cooler and stable. If you want to get the same like me, I can help out maybe if you have gigabyte GPU“s
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: CrazyRabbi on November 23, 2013, 01:26:05 PM LTC FPGA pfft there's SCRYPT based ASiCs coming out :D
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on November 23, 2013, 01:35:26 PM Supadupajenkins gets banned everywhere else so he joins this forum on a new puppet crazyrabbi to continue trolling. Do you crave attention much?
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: CrazyRabbi on November 23, 2013, 01:46:04 PM I haven't used the name Supa Dupa Jenkins in years...
My handle is Supa Dupa... Jenkins is just the title I received from playing World of Warcraft and getting the LEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRROYYYYY Achievement on World of Warcraft... I was the 7th Rogue on my server to get the achievement making it a lucky name ie why I used the Jenkins title for so long.... My HANDLE is SupaDupa but most people call me Supa... I don't troll at all jasinlee ::) I state factual truthful information that you consider to be "trolling" Maybe you should look up the definition of trolling.... You have yet to post any proof you even know how SCRYPT works , any proof of concept , any detailed information at all... You've accepted preorders for your vaporware product and have commited grand larceny by doing so... You are a fraud , a scammer and a thief... You stated that you would repay the loans that laSeek took out and never repayed and it's quite obvious you took that money as you were doing business with laSeek and he was supposed to be your partner in crime... If anything I don't even doubt if you actually ARE laSeek... It's funny you can claim everyone is me but regardless of how many times you peg others who question your lack of legitimacy as being me , You don't post even proof of concept or proof you even know how SCRYPT works... If anything the one who is the troll is you... YOU are the one that DESERVES a scammer tag.... Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on November 23, 2013, 02:00:35 PM There is so much fail in that post its beyond ludicrous. I wish I was laseek, despite his terrible bookkeeping and deciding to drop off the face of the earth with no notice, he is a really nice guy and an excellent coder....and lives in Spain. If I pay his loan, it will be on the sane terms I set forth, your childish prodding wont change that either. Your trolling apparently has gained you nothing on the other forums and chat rooms so you turn to the one place you didnt get a scam tag yet. The timelines we follow to distribute information on our products is none of your business, and despite everything I still will not release information just because you demand it you silly child. We have 3rd parties checking our design currently, your just annoying. Preorders? Now your making stuff up. We wont take preorders until we have all proof distributed to the public. I only claim everyone is you because you have the same IP as "everyone" I claimed was you.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: CrazyRabbi on November 23, 2013, 02:17:11 PM 1. I use TOR and VPN frequently so alot of people have the same IP as me
2. Ok then show proof because you HAVE it not because I asked for it 3. So wait you can pay back laSeek's debt , offer to , but won't? ??? 4. You don't take preorders eh? Why are you on Crypto Stocks then? Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on November 23, 2013, 02:26:57 PM 1. Right, so do all the other people that have your same opinion. ...and then forgot to use tor a bunch of times and end up on uk ips close to you.
2. You really do not understand how development works do you. 3. Not with btcjam ignoring emails. I will do it on my terms at my convenience. You do remember you never repaid your debts right? Kinda hypocritical. 4. You do not know how to use the search function do you? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=197567.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=197567.0) Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: CrazyRabbi on November 23, 2013, 02:31:36 PM 1. Right, so do all the other people that have your same opinion. ...and then forgot to use tor a bunch of times and end up on uk ips close to you. 2. You really do not understand how development works do you. 3. Not with btcjam ignoring emails. I will do it on my terms at my convenience. You do remember you never repaid your debts right? Kinda hypocritical. 4. You do not know how to use the search function do you? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=197567.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=197567.0) Dude I'm not even from the UK... Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on November 23, 2013, 02:41:44 PM Thats your only response, seriously?
Let me show you what the search function finds. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94573.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94573.0) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=251673.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=251673.0) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=278687.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=278687.0) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94835.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94835.0) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106018.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106018.0) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=57123.msg680519#msg680519 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=57123.msg680519#msg680519) Amazing what 2 minutes of browsing can find. So you were accused of being a pedophile by btc-e, posting on puppets pretending not to be yourself, discussions of your being banned by theymos (and now ban dodging on a new account), and not to mention offering lines of credit and loans to people meanwhile the people you owe never got repaid. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: CrazyRabbi on November 23, 2013, 02:48:09 PM Thats your only response, seriously? Let me show you what the search function finds. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94573.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94573.0) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=251673.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=251673.0) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=278687.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=278687.0) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94835.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94835.0) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106018.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106018.0) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=57123.msg680519#msg680519 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=57123.msg680519#msg680519) Amazing what 2 minutes of browsing can find. So you were accused of being a pedophile by btc-e, posting on puppets pretending not to be yourself, discussions of your being banned by theymos (and now ban dodging on a new account), and not to mention offering lines of credit and loans to people meanwhile the people you owe never got repaid. Also hacking BTC-e as MrWubbles Leaking BTC-e's Database Massively abusing Bitcoin-OTC's broken system Massively flooding Freenode Exposing Bitcoin Foundation Doxing TradeFortress Doxing you soon :D Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on November 23, 2013, 03:01:46 PM Thats your only response, seriously? Let me show you what the search function finds. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94573.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94573.0) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=251673.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=251673.0) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=278687.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=278687.0) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94835.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94835.0) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106018.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106018.0) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=57123.msg680519#msg680519 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=57123.msg680519#msg680519) Amazing what 2 minutes of browsing can find. So you were accused of being a pedophile by btc-e, posting on puppets pretending not to be yourself, discussions of your being banned by theymos (and now ban dodging on a new account), and not to mention offering lines of credit and loans to people meanwhile the people you owe never got repaid. Also hacking BTC-e as MrWubbles Leaking BTC-e's Database Massively abusing Bitcoin-OTC's broken system Massively flooding Freenode Exposing Bitcoin Foundation Doxing TradeFortress Doxing you soon :D That looks like a personal threat. Perhaps we should get another ban under your name. Have fun doxxing me all my info is public and I have dealt with many people on the forum. Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: CrazyRabbi on November 23, 2013, 03:06:57 PM Thats your only response, seriously? Let me show you what the search function finds. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94573.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94573.0) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=251673.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=251673.0) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=278687.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=278687.0) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94835.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94835.0) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106018.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106018.0) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=57123.msg680519#msg680519 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=57123.msg680519#msg680519) Amazing what 2 minutes of browsing can find. So you were accused of being a pedophile by btc-e, posting on puppets pretending not to be yourself, discussions of your being banned by theymos (and now ban dodging on a new account), and not to mention offering lines of credit and loans to people meanwhile the people you owe never got repaid. Also hacking BTC-e as MrWubbles Leaking BTC-e's Database Massively abusing Bitcoin-OTC's broken system Massively flooding Freenode Exposing Bitcoin Foundation Doxing TradeFortress Doxing you soon :D That looks like a personal threat. Perhaps we should get another ban under your name. Have fun doxxing me all my info is public and I have dealt with many people on the forum. If it's publicly available how is it a threat :D ? Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on November 23, 2013, 03:08:23 PM Shall I explain to you what intent is?
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: CrazyRabbi on November 23, 2013, 03:10:31 PM Shall I explain to you what intent is? What intent? I can't ruin the life you don't have :D Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on November 23, 2013, 03:11:47 PM Another waste of time. Have fun trolling muppet.
Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: CrazyRabbi on November 23, 2013, 03:12:33 PM Another waste of time. Have fun trolling muppet. What has your mom called you up from the basement for dinner? :D Title: Re: LTC FPGA discussion! Post by: jasinlee on December 12, 2013, 04:21:29 PM https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368468.new#new (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=368468.new#new) Moving discussion here.
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