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User	Order #s	$ Amount	Date Requested	Refund Address	Location	Paid
PulsedMedia	#273	$1100			Europe	-
server	#9xx				Europe	-
senseless	#1331	$1070	2013 Jan 06			-
Grix	#1841	$530	2013 Jan/Feb	1QFTpHh2Xk8ywe6datcCs57W2LwDeVSi9x		-
Nolo	#2073				US	-
yxt		$690				-
||bit						-
Mobius					US	-
oceans					Europe	-
	Almost + Fully Refunded
RobbieMor	#183,#666	$2200				full=Apr 2
dmcurser	#200,#1869		2013 Jan 14			almost full (missing .8 BTC)
fred0	#201,#2251	$4340	2013 Jan 9	1DQzkfYnw6u6gHy7gNkhQhs2mxCA6BCxKf	US	full=Apr 23
gyverlb	#3xx,#18xx	$2200			Europe	full=Mar 24/32BTC
jgarzik	#432	~$1070		132cWiQDADxLG5yDeERfmXmWRAYQHLyKwt	US	full=Mar14/23BTC
Uncle Scrooge	#466,#1590	$2200				full=Feb 22,Mar 29
dani	#512(CC),#840,#1589,#1596	$4396			Europe	partial 3/4=28 Mar=34.15 BTC/Apr 15=CC
real1510	#518,#1792	$1160	2013 Jan 29		Europe	full=Apr 14/12.55 BTC
Wesly	#520	$1100				full=Apr 15
Bart31	#56x(CC), #15xx, #20xx	($1099 CC) $2357	2013 Jan 08		Europe	full=Mar 22,Mar 29
DeLorean	#597	$2198	2013 Jan 24	18U7Lr9P6TxCKSqXYDHK5WBP6MViWgD4Bw	US	full=Mar 13/45BTC
Cablez	#757	$2170	2013 Feb 1-12	15HqFM1qXdTxC7uHrP6r819jan3zZtJ3ii	US	almost full=Mar 14/44BTC
Tigereye	#764	$2170	2013 Jan 1-12	13JyxFBdQbtqNF5apbhqQ8riC5S11dZcXr	Canada	full=Mar 14/45BTC
randomguy7	#76x		2013 Jan 13			full=Apr 14
drakness	#813, #1274	$4340	2013 Jan 13		US	full=Apr 2
Gabit	#853, #1820	$1160	2013 Jan 13		Europe	~90%=March 22/15 BTC
dust	#8xx	$8590	2013 Jan 12		US	full=Apr14
PsychoticBoy	#862		2013 Jan 8		Europe	full=Apr 8/3.7BTC
luffy	#869	$1100	2013 Jan 12		Europe	~full = March 22/15BTC
rampone	#888,#1xxx	~$3300	2013 Jan 13		Europe	full, without DHL upgrades - Mar 22/44BTC
iambaboon	#89x,#14xx,#1781,#1862	$3390	2013 Jan 13		Europe	full=Apr 1/33BTC
kwoody	#89x,#16xx	$2759				full=Apr 22
S M I L Y	#9xx					~full=Mar 22/29BTC
Bitbird	#985, #2010					full=Mar 14
eestimes	#11xx	~$1070	2013 Jan 25/Feb 13		Europe	full=Mar 14/23BTC
mrno12	#12xx	$1099	2013 Jan 28		US	full=Mar 29
RaTTuS	#1554	$1160			Europe	full=Apr 3
igorstep	#1588	$630	2013 Jan 14	1CZ4wrokSHSva8EEJQ1fcfv7EP8k7pTfnJ	Europe	full=Mar 14
greeners	#1794	$1099	2013 Jan 12		Canada	full=Apr 12
Shadow383	#1896,#xxxx	$530				full=Apr 1
pyromaniac	#1980	$1100	2012 Dec 20-31		Russia	full=Apr 18/12.5 BTC
cvokey	#2035					full=Apr 12
BinaryMage						full=Mar 22
troc						full=Mar 27
mtbitcoin						full=Mar 27
GenTarkin		$630				full=Mar 27
Keefe					US	full=Mar 29
100%digital		$1095				full=Apr 2
Sitarow						full=Apr 5
mrb		$10700				full=Apr 11/Apr 14
mezzomix						full=Apr 14

Created from the previous refund thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137876.0) and bASIC legal (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=143496.0) thread. I will try to update first page from all the posts received here. Tom mentioned "a dozen" refunds left, so the list shouldn't be that long. Please correct me if I made mistakes.

Please post the refunds NOT received: order #s, amount(mark amount by CC if the case), date requested refund, address if you want, your location (USA/Europe, etc).
Also please post when you DO RECEIVE a refund.

Its kinda hard to believe thats all thats left lol... but nonetheless if true, thats quite impressive. Soon as every last person is paid off ... I will have taken back nearly everything negative I said about Tom.

Of course that's not what's left. That's people who have publicly complained. The real list is much longer and that's not something CP is going to post.

what really pisses me off about fat fuck Tom, is his complete lack of transparency. I see refunds for order #'s higher than mine... 'da fuck? where's my refund?

tom why the fuck are you not processing in order of;

'ORDER PLACED' or 'date refund requested'

Order #432 for one (1) unit.

Refund arrived on the stated address: http://blockexplorer.com/tx/81da3b502bd33604fed6b5d289d3856c189c8ddb31184615d12a41d83f386459#o0 (http://blockexplorer.com/tx/81da3b502bd33604fed6b5d289d3856c189c8ddb31184615d12a41d83f386459#o0)

Side note for some - I would be careful bashing him if you are posting your order number here.. he has a good amount of PII (personally identifiable information) that he could potentially now or down the road fuck you over in other ways... Wouldn't put it past him since his entire persona and character are highly questionable..

order no #11xx
date added: october 05th 2012

refund requested: Jan-25th and Feb-13th

refunded: march 14th 1013
refund: 23 btc

location: europe

User: DeLorean
Order #'s: 597
Amount: $2,198
Date Requested: Jan 24th
Refund Address: 18U7Lr9P6TxCKSqXYDHK5WBP6MViWgD4Bw
Location: US
Paid: Received refund 3/13

User: dust
Order #: 8xx
Paid in: BTC
Amount: $8590
Date Requested: Jan 12th
Location: US
Paid: No refund received

User: RaTTuS
Order #: 1554
Paid in: BTC
Amount: $1159.99
Date Requested: not sure
Location: UK
Paid: no

User: Tigereye
Order: #764
Paid in: BTC
Amount: $2,169.98
Date Requested: Early January
Location: Canada
Paid: YES

Refund transaction: https://blockchain.info/tx/fa475b83c51d496f7ea3bf4cba7dfc80da7da53b5d5dda4790ae5f611a6cc3c9

User: Cablez
Order: #757
Paid in: BTC
Amount: $2,169.98
Date Requested: Early February
Location: US
Paid: Mostly.....still owed 1.25BTC for some reason paid 44 instead of 45+BTC


Refund transaction:3c535be8ea17ca379952a3a92bb454f0e6f9731ba9770e76d5db902f4dd9aeeb (http://blockchain.info/tx/3c535be8ea17ca379952a3a92bb454f0e6f9731ba9770e76d5db902f4dd9aeeb)

my order was worth 4396$ (4x $1069 + 4x $30)

The only pattern I can see is that medium orders (3k-8k) were avoided, and most of the users still on the list are not from the US.

and that a lot of later refund requests already got their money back...i see no pattern, except the pattern that buddfaks me

User: drakness
Order: #813 and #1274
Paid in: BTC
Amount: $4,339.96
Date Requested: 01-13-2013
Location: US
Paid: none

still no refund will update if i recive one.

The pattern of refunds can be quite simple: alphabetical order of bitcoin addresses.
Tom declared he has a list of just addresses and amounts (quite strange) - it can be sorted by address column.

LOL We are before a/A, at numbers

It's not being done alphabetically. I know the addresses of at least 22 refunds, and they start as follows:
12
13
15
16
16
16
18
18
19
1C
1D
1E
1F
1H
1H
1H
1H
1j
1J
1J
1L
1m

I sorted the list alphabetically because I didn't note the timestamps when I made the list. But it shows that refunds are being sent to addresses all across the range.

User: real1510
Order: #518 and #1792
Paid in: BTC
Amount: $1,159.99
Date Requested: 01-29-2013
Location: EU
Paid: none

Tom promised me yesterday by email, that I will receive the payment on 03/22.

User: Gabit
Order: #853 and #1820
Paid in: BTC
Amount: $1,159.99
Date Requested: 01-13-2013
Location: EU
Paid: none

Tom promised me yesterday by email, that I will receive the payment on 03/22.

So the list is down to only around $30K or so unpaid.  I'd say this should be resolved in a few more weeks. 

Check the thread talking about legal action. One of the recent posters there says he is still owed $200k.

2013-03-14 refunds received.

Order ID: #2010 (27Gh/s bASIC)
&
Order ID: #985 (54Gh/s bASIC)

Order #89x and #16xx
Total Amount paid:  $2,759
Payment Method: BTC
Refund Received:  No

I am angryface, Thomas Van Riper.

edit: 
Location:  USA
date of refund request:  January 22nd

Order: #273
1069.99$ + 30$
Paid via BTC

NO REFUND RECEIVED.
I have tried to reach Tom via multiple ways, not even a reply. What is the "official" way to request refund?

send email to btcfpga@gmail.com  with you order details

i am stll waiting refund...
1 basic 54Gh/s   $1,099.99
*Order ID:* 869
*Date Added:* 30/09/2012
*Payment Method:* Bitcoin

i asked refund throuth Dave on Jan 12, 2013
i sent again an email yesterday to Tom
Europe

2 bASIC01 (#3xx) + DHL shipping (#18xx) for a total of $2199.98: refund address 1E6FQuRi6VPiGTmsR8vG7ez511Gb4i14UB

February the 27th Tom answered one of my emails asking for news on my refund with (nothing confidential or even new):


I didn't get another email from Tom after that. He started communicating on the forums again though.

Still no refund.

I see purchase date and refund request date might be useful:

purchase: September the 4th 2012
refund req: January the 13th 2013

this is starting to get really painful. BTC just hit $53 each... Tom is clearly waiting for the price to keep going up before paying out remaining BTC refunds. I submitted by request for refund over 2 months ago. The 244 BTC I paid will get returned to me in the form of just over 50 BTC even if he refunded me now. So I'm just supposed to take a loss of $10,000+ while not having access to my funds for half a year? This is unacceptable. I only live 4 hours away from where Tom supposedly lives, I'm really tempted to drive up there.

With that much money and only 4 hours to drive, I wonder why you did not visit Tom long ago and collect your refund in person?!

To start off my reply I am going to say that I too had units pre-ordered. 5 of them.
As Tom has stated the website you purchased the bASIC units from displayed prices in USD. Since that is the case when you paid in bitoins you take the price of the unit divided in USD by the market price of BTC at the time of purchase. That determines how many bitoins you paid. Just because Tom didn't deliver a product doesn't mean you entitled to a refund worth over ten grand. Had tom actually shipped the bASIC product and then you decided you wanted a refund do you really expect him to take a $10,000.00 loss? Before you decide to rant and rave on the forums you should put yourself in his shoes and really think if you ran this project and you had failed and you wanted to make things right would you refund person X the amount they paid in BTC or USD? 

You bought a product in USD with bitcoins. Therefore you will get the same amount in USD back. The fact that Tom is even trying to refund his customers is good for the bitcoin community.

I agree with you. That said, if a refund isn't done in a timely manner (I asked for mine more than 2 months ago now), interests should be added to the refund. I don't know the applicable law for Tom's business but where I live 12 to 15% annual interest is standard.

i also agree with this but i am more disappionted that ppl arnt upset that tom didnt stick to his word tom said he would start refunds on jan 23.  exchange rate on the 23 jan was no higher then 18 dollars so if tom had dont refunds it would of been like a 3 dollar difference per coin then when he sold out at.


also i feel im a get screwed in the end what do you ppl feel if i trade tom a btc bar worth 100 btc for a miner am i entitled to my 100 btc bar worth 100 btc back or just what he feels like giving me.

we're all getting fucked, and Tom will get his too...

if you sell more BTC on mtgox then wont it be tom buying your BTC to replay you the BTC you used to pay tom
....
my brain hurts

You misunderstand. I don't want a refund of my full 244 BTC back at $64/btc, I want what was owed to me in BTC when I requested my refund over 2 months ago. BTC was at $28 when I requested a refund. People with orders later than mine who paid in BTC have already gotten a refund; there is no excuse for the prolonged wait I've had to go through.

User: fred0
Order: #201 (13 AUG 2012) and #2251 (Reclaim for order 143--25 JUL 2012)
Paid in: BTC
Amount: $4,339.95
Date Requested: 09 JAN 2013
Location: USA
Paid: none
Refund Address: 1DQzkfYnw6u6gHy7gNkhQhs2mxCA6BCxKf

hmm no answer from tom on my emails asking about wither or not he plans to repay me my btc bar or not. anyone know the legal standard for trading goods for goods i trade a 100 btc bar from https://www.casascius.com/ which is worth 100 btc. does tom owe me my bar back or does he just owe me $1000 since i trade a good for a good. and dont say im trying to be greddy or shit bc the bar was worth more then the asci at the time i made the deal with tom and i was also willing the whole tim and still am willing to take a 24 hour average of usd to btc of the time i request my refund which was jan 14th where tom again would make out so im not being greedy or unfair.

yes i think i am owed my good which is a btc worth 100 btc but i am a responsible man.

tom plz email me so we can work this out i have all skype convos on are agreement if you need me to post i will i just want to work this out

you paid for something priced in $ simple story

sorry wrong i traded a good for a good i am owed my good which has more value then just the 100 btc it was loaded with.

FRiday has begun in NY. Lets see what happens. Tom, may I remind you to include me in the refunds, as people who ordered later and requested the refund later already have their money back...!!!

and dmccurser: You exchanged a good for a good, yes, you exchanged dollar for a basic, and to do that you changed btc to usd before thorugh bit-pay...you are probably one of the guys, who would like to peg it to the dollar, if btc had fallen....

no i never exchanged anything i had a agreement with tom to trade a btc bar worth btc for a basic i did not trade btc but somthing worth a amount of btc never exchanged anything thur bit pay.

and as per a lawyer i have the right to request my good back which is worth a set amount of btc bc i had a agreement with tom to trade a btc bar worth 100 btc. not only that but the bar also carries its own value as a novilty item besides just the 100 btc it was loaded with.

also i think if you would go back and read my post i am one of the few i just want what was owed to me if tom wanted to be a man and stick to his word i would have no problem accepting the 24 hour price at the time of my refund reqest wuch was jan 14th or even at the time of toms own post promising to start issusing btc refunds which waxs on jan 23rd.

if tom was trying to be a stand up man he would stick to his own words and he would talk to me like a man not once i show him all the proof i need to to stop talking to me i am willing to work out a deal with him. althought as of right now my good i traded him is worth just over 7300 dollars since the good was worth a value of btc not usd

User: mrno12
Order #: 1xxx
Paid in: BTC
Amount: $1099
Date Requested: Mon 1/28/2013 2:36 PM
Location: US
Paid: No refund received

You relinquished your right to that 100 btc bar when you traded it for a 1 bASIC mining device order. Every other contest winner received their prize within days of the contest end (I believe there were 4 other contest winners) If you wanted the bar you would of received it just like the other contest winners. You can't change your mind now because the value of the bar has multiplied in value. I'm sorry it turned out this way - but this is the way it turned out. Now you have already been refunded in full the value of the 1 bASIC mining device order. I am sorry you do not think this is fair and I am sorry you feel you were cheated. Perhaps you should of accepted the 100BTC Bar when it was offered to you. I do not know where you are located but if you want to come to NY and taket his to small claims court I can guarantee you I would win this case. Refund has been made. Case closed, have a nice day.

btw: for those who dont follow the other thread:

User: Gabit
Order: #853 and #1820
Paid in: BTC
Amount: $1,159.99
Date Requested: 01-13-2013
Location: EU
Paid: 15 BTC @ 71.1201 = $1066.80 (03/22)

Not too happy, but better than nothing.

http://blockchain.info/address/16yAasHr1TzLKnCpqfau78D5qFzGm8XqJg

you would lose we had a agreement to trade a btc bar a good for you asic a good. since you didnt follow thur on your end a court would more then likly side with me and ask you to return my good aka the bar worth 100 btc.

plan an simply you broke are agreement i have the skypes and emails on tihs i have more then enough proof.

id even be fine with you being a man and repaying what is rightfully due to all ppl yes i get the fucking thing was usd priced but you fucking forgo that when you in your own post said you would start refund on the 23 of january why in the hell ar you cheating everone of what there rightfuly owed why do you feel you had the right to hold on to oyur money for an extra 2 months why dont you be the man you claim to be and do the right thing

also it was still 6 days later and you hadnt even ordered my bar that was one of the reason i made the agreemtent with you and if you look at the exchange rate at that time i over paid you by 6 or so btc so yha why dont you be honest for once in your life on this forum

also what rate did you use since at 2:33 it wasint 73.31
it 408 right noe so 94 mints ago price was $71.90 x 15 btc 1078.50 your still shorting ppl why???

Order #888 and a later dhl upgrade

Refund requested: 13.Jan.'13
Refund amount $: 3299.97
(partial) REFUND today  :o : 44btc (75$ if total refund, 73.63 if only the basics refunded)

So far so good, but also replied tom, that the rate of 75$ is too high that i would peg the BTC at 72$ and therefore requested another 1,83 btc.

And this is how communication should be: tom replied, that he did not do dhl upgrade refunding yet.

So it seems its pegged at 73,63$. Not perfect, but i can live with that, if the dhl refund comes around soon.

At last sth moved.

And now I need to get drunk...

I did not hold on to any money. I sold the incoming btc. Every week I buy Bitcoin at the going rate and every week I refund it at the going rate.

If you wanted your BTC Bar you should of accepted it. You would of received your prize just like all the other prize winnners did.

Its very unfortunate it happened like this and I apologize, but you have now been refunded in full and I now consider this matter closed.



If your refund seems around .8 btc short its because I am doing all the DHL refunds at the same time. its just easier that way - the way this spreadsheet is setup.

anyways ill be back later to continue more refunds.

Who would have guessed that at this point Tom would be more honorable and trustworthy than BFL. Good on you tom for not just fucking off with the cash.

+ 1

Also, when everything has been paid back i vouch for "de-scammer" tagging him.

also per a lawyer.
Tom isn't refunding.  Therefore, I do believe a good argument would be that Tom should have to repay the value of BTCs within a reasonabe time of when the refund was asked.  Tom is clearly just waiting for BTC to go up in value, so he has an easier time of repaying. also said thaty there is a case for this.

Order: #862
Paid in: BTC
Date Requested: 01-08-2013
Location: EU
Paid: 0

Still nothing

+1

I did not receive anything yet, looking forward to it.

I sure hope you cashed out!

Today i got 15 BTC (without an email by Tom that i got refunded) but who else could it be?  ;D
thanks Tom, altough i would like to have the bASIC miner ;)
(case closed)

Your refund was too early. Now the price is at 69 USD. If we trust all those "the product is priced in USD so your refund will be USD at the current rate" shills, the upcoming refunds will be at 69. But maybe there will be no more refunds when the price is going down?!

Order #76x.
Date Requested: 2013-01-13
EU

Still nothing, as usual.

dDear tom for once why not stop lieing tell the truth and be honest with the ppl.

did you
a.  I sold most of these coins at around $15
or
b. I did not hold on to any money (aka also as being sold instantly via bitpay.

didn't the asici website have an issues for a while not accepting bitpay or there was issuse with it

also why did you boldly lie to all of us that you would start btc refunds on the 23 jan if that was not your intentions. you posted it why didnt you stick with it.

you also posted on your forums that none of the pre order money was being used in the developmental of the asic why did you say this if it wasn't true and if my statment isnt ture and no preorder money was used then what was done with our money that you were unable to buy back in all of our btc at the value of the week following  your post of refunds being refunded 23rd of jan.

where does the project actually fall in terms of being complete .

edit also can electric.

edit edit also what was your reson for taking down bitcoin aic forum after i post ss of your post on this forum


answer these questions and i will leave you along i will forget that i trade a bar worth more in value even at the time of are contractual agreement then your asci. If not atleast be a man and email me  your name and something else so when i do file my claim we make sure we get the right tom. no reason to ruin somone else life this is your mess you need to live with it.

Also: can electronics? Maybe try to explain this? You say b-asic wasn't a scam but you keep ignoring this topic.

Hes ignoring everything he string of lies has unfolded. hes going to pay what he feels like instead of what is truly owed. and hope everyone leaves him alone. i hope ppl dont let him refunding stop any legal action he held btc for over a month befor even starting refunds did anyone in the first batch of refunds tell him it was ok to hold there money for a month no did i tell him he could hold my money for 2 months no.

do banks loan money for free i think not so why would I

Haven't been keeping much up-to-date on Bitcoin and ASICs. What the hell happened with bASIC??

Order ID: #1588
Date Added: 21/10/2012
Products: 1
Total: $629.99
Paid by BTC

Paid                    - 21/10/2012
Refund requested  - 14/01/2012
refund recieved    - 14/03/2013

https://blockexplorer.com/address/1CZ4wrokSHSva8EEJQ1fcfv7EP8k7pTfnJ

Now it's 03/23 and I received no payment (current block 227539).  ???

Order 518 and DHL upgrade 1792. Refund addresses 17Dia6gfgdgJwPYUuAzhuDZdYLNtvPHgii and 1EXpiSndwANGQxAE1JsWxsbigicduw3tfN.

Nothing received here. Did Tom get back to refunding? Didn't see any posts after he "paused"

Tom needs to buy now. ;D ;D ;D

Time to take action:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=143496.msg1616612#msg1616612

Orders # 89x and 163x still not refunded.

Order ID: #666

Status: Payment Address Requested Refund to 1DJdUirp3Len3WisLPL5pZQkAFXghyEBxy  


Date Added: 25/09/2012
Products: 1

Customer: Robert Urquhart
Total: $1,099.99

Order ID: #183

Status: Payment Address Requested  Refund to 1DJdUirp3Len3WisLPL5pZQkAFXghyEBxy  


Date Added: 09/08/2012
Products: 1

Customer: Robert Urquhart
Total: $1,099.99

Updated the list, unfortunately nothing received here as well.

Order 12XX still nothing.

Order ID: 9XX
Date Added: 02/10/2012

Ordered 2 x bASIC for 172btc

refunded!!

3/22/2013  29btc  :(

I got my refund today (32BTC). BTC price was rising so when I saw it it was already valued above what I paid (32 * 71.9 = $2300.8 instead of $2199.98).

still no refund, still no replies to any contact attempts.
YaY!

And AFAIK i was the 2nd to order bASIC.
I've tried to contact many times over the past month or two and not even a #¤"%)¤( reply.

WTF?! he didnt refund me either! He said last week in email I would be on this fridays list to receive refund. Still fucking havent.........
Tom, come on seriously!
Glad some of u got ur refund =)

yeah, empty bitcoin adress over here. You said you will refund those few, still I got nothing. Damn this sucks..

When are you going to stop believing Tom.

The mess is still ugly, but I concur.

A lot of people received a mail that Tom will refund them on friday. I think not a single one really get any refund. Maybe the previous refund reports are only fake - check the original list in post #1!

actually i got mine on that friday. unbelievable, but i got it. maybe my writing of: people who ordered basiclater  and requested refund later than me have been refunded already.

But as far as i saw, not many refunds went out friday.

I am still mad, that this took so long, batch2 avalon opportunity gone for me with the delayed refund..., and batch 3 is not an option...

speculation *on*: friday refunds, as its historically the dy with the highest btc price right before weekend dip? speculatius: there was a time with no refunds that accidentally was at the same time as avalon batch 2?? speculatius *off*

I got a refund on Friday. Progress seems to continue, albeit probably more slowly than some of us would like.

not a suasage so far

Did Tom promise you to pay the refund friday last week? Well, as we all know Tom is a notorious liar.

Apparently the original list isn't maintained anymore. You can check my post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152980.msg1631888#msg1631888) and verify for yourself that the address listed in it received the 32BTC as I said earlier. As anyone here could theoretically be Tom under disguise or someone paid by him to make false claim you can check the account history of everyone claiming to have been refunded. If Tom would have paid some people he wouldn't have done so with many (too much risk of one of them leaking information): at most 2 or 3 accomplices is doable for this kind of scam so fake refunds can't be made by many people.
If you find that most accounts claiming to have been refunded where created post bASIC failure then you have a reason to believe than most reports are faked otherwise this is just paranoia (he would have involved tens of people in the scam or created tens of fake accounts months before even announcing bASIC: you can check this later possibility with forum admins, they should have the IP addresses used to create each account).

I don't have to be convinced that refunds are happening anymore, but this is how I checked that there was indeed some progress before (and Tom's behavior was consistent with what I expected from the little I knew about him and a business owner faced with complete failure).

It's ok, probably missed your post.

So this is odd.... Im in the OP .. can see my 630$ order there...
Tonight tom sends me this email:
"I apologize I have been trying very hard to keep in contact

usually I do refunds on fridays but yours is small enough I can do it now

thank you for your patience and sorry the bASIC project failed

Tom
"

I see a woppin 3BTC in my wallet! ... um... 3BTC <> 630$ .... seriously, wtf tom?!
To the OP .. please update my entry in the list I guess .. partial payment of 3BTC....

GenTarkin: Everything is fine, Tom assumed that the rate will be 200 in a few weeks and is already using this new rate. Otherwise you have to wait until the bitcoin reaches this 200!

Well see it the other way - you are one of the lucky people getting some payment. A lot of others - including me - did not get a single satoshi. Did Tom promise you a payment?

Hey, he atleast replied to you! For me... Not even that.

I guess going the legal action route is pretty much the only thing now

huh? naw this is not cool... he needs to do it at 'current rate' not some supposed forecasted rate. I highly doubt BTC will be 200$ anytime soon =P

I got my last order refunded and am glad to put this behind.

For what its worth, thanks for the Refunds.

cheers

Order 1886  (shipping upgrade) refunded. All my orders are now refunded.

Many thanks.

Guess what! It's friday again and the promised refund is still outstanding.

Um... Its Thursday?

Congrats!

I don't understand why Tom does not process refunds of the lower ordernumbers... there are quite a few unpaid PO<1000

Looks like just a few random refunds.

If the money cannot be given back promptly one has to suspect it has been spent.
If it's coming back in drips and drabs one could suspect it was spent on a mining farm and he's mining back the money.
If you use a pre-order to obtain a free loan for equipment or investment that is still a scam, it's called an arbitrage scam. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_and_wire_fraud

Concur on the above from Gator ->  also should remain a listed "scammer" ->

hypothetical "if " - tommy screwed people whom may have used their "pre-order" funds towards an Avalon batch 1 and possibly 2.. (I know diversify is a good general rule, but sometimes that may not be an option for most)

User: pyromaniac
Order: #1980
Paid in: BTC
Amount: $ $1,099.99
Date Requested: End of Decrmner 2012
Location: RU
Refunded: NO

UPDATE:
After a few days, few emails to tom... as of today Im finally fully refunded =)
He apologized for a mixup on the spreadsheet which lead to only being refunded 3BTC at first.
The nice thing is, he honored the rest of the refund at the 75$ rate of a few days ago rather than the 90+ rate of today...
So, Im a happier camper now.

So, mark me as fully refunded in the OP =)

I wrote some emails too, to check on my btc adress (i gave him a old one, not working anymore). Today I got refunded 3 of my 4 devices (all paid with BTC, the 4th paid by CC was taken care I guess and should arrive any day now)
Got 34.15 btc (at rate 95$ 3244$) which is not quite 3397$, so I can't say I got on 75$ course or something.

Anyway, thanks Tom for going through this. It's a lot easier to screw this than refunding people. Thanks!

Ups, you are right. This means Tom did miss his promised date by only 6 days. I wrote a mail but did not receive a response. I don't know what you guys do to get your refund but it seems that some people are ignored by Tom.

Still waiting....not happy...

Looks like bigger orders were not preferred. Unfortunately, these are the people who put most trust into bASIC

Yep... so sad.  Still.  Disappointing every day.

What email address are you guys using to reach him? None of my emails has been responded to so far!
No refund neither etc.

He has been responding to my emails to btcfpga@gmail.com. I expect my remaining refunds today.

yeap have tried that one as well multiple times. Yet to receive any reply.

still no answer from tom on any of the above

also still waiting on the .8 btc owed

Tom owes me $2759 from 2 orders made in October, no refund yet again so far today.

I just received a refund for the rest of my orders, so all is settled between Tom and I now.

To anyone still waiting for a refund, I recommend emailing a polite reminder to Tom at btcfpga@gmail.com.

I just received a refund for my order.
I did email Tom this morning and got my replay this evening.

Order 12xx
Thanks Tom

Davor

If people think I am only refunding small orders they are completely wrong.

I have so far refunded all my refunds 10k and over including a 26k order.


Today I refunded orders ranging from $60-$6000

and the BTC I had is now gone.


This is taking a little longer than I thought because people are emailing me about orders that were not added by dave to the original spread sheet.

The good news is I have made a deal with someone who has a large amount of Bitoins and we have a payment system were I can buy them everyday.

So instead of doing refunds on just fridays, I will be doing small amount of refunds every single day.

If you did not get one today I am sorry, I am out of Bitcoin and yes it does help to email me in a polite way.

Like anyone else on the earth I respond much better to polite understanding people than I do to beligerant angry people who yell and threaten me.

Like I said from the beginning, EVERY SINGLE PERSON WILL BE REPAID.

I am not a scammer, if I was a scammer I could of easily taken the 1.5 + million dollars and go some place where no one could find me and live like a king
however that is not my style. For one I am a Christian, it does not mean I think I am better than anyone else I am a sinner just like  everyone else in the world, and for two I believe in some sort of karma, and this refunding process is something that I must resolve or I will never be able to move on with my life.

If I could pay you all back today , I would but this is the way it has to work, I am lucky I was able to make this arrangement - I should be able to refund $3k worth of refunds every single day this week, and make a bigger run on this friday from my other coin purchasing connection.

Today I sent out about $15K worth of refunds.


I hope everyone has a wonderful easter weekend, You will not see me log back into this account until next friday and I will give you an update of where we are at that time, Please remember a polite email to btcfpga@gmail.com will get you much farther than blowing up the forum thread, making threats and acting like a child.

I am manning up on this situation and making it right, I need a little more time to complete it, but we are almost there.

I guarantee you, this scammer tag will be gone before BFL ships a single ASIC.

If I was not in debt I would place a bet on it - but all I can do right now is make the guarantee


BFL has been holding onto millions of pre-order monies for almost a year, they continue to make excuses and have still not proven that they have any working prototype what so ever. On the website they show BFL FPGA singles with the cases off as the product picture. The Proof they give is photo-shopped incomplete boards. I am sorry but I do not see a BFL ASIC shipping any time soon if ever. I am pointing this out because I personally believe they are having the same problems that I had. Sonny is no more technologically skilled than I am , and no matter how much money you throw at a project if you dont have the right people and the right connections you will never get anywhere. The group of people who can design an asic that can mine Bitcoins is extremely small and most of them have their own projects. Josh has become more and more bizzarre and out of touch with reality. The house of cards at BFL is about to fall and again the only reason I am pointing this out is because at least I had the balls to admit that my project failed and I am making reparations to get everyone their money back. I could easily lie and deceive just like they are doing and string everyone along for months and months and continue to collect money but that is the difference between a legit guy like myself and you know who. Don't take my word for it, just read the forums, look past the lies and see whats really going on. I am the one with the scammer tag but I guarantee you if BFL fails at this project not a single one of you will see a refund from them outside of a court order.


Thats my two cents for the week. Thank you to everyone for being so incredibly patient. We are very close to closing out all these refunds and like I said they will be coming in on a daily basis now, which I hope helps you all.

As always contact me at btcfpga@gmail.com and you are guaranteed a response within 24 hours. All other email addresses that were used for BTCFPGA - you will get no response - you must email the gmail account. I am doing this as a way to keep record of all Refund related email and not have it mixed in with other things.

Thank you and have a  good night - It hurt me badly to receive this scammer tag from people I consider my brothers but I realize why It happened and I dont blame them. Anything I said negative to anyone about it, please accept my apology.

Tom

Another week without a refund.

Pretty sure he's only refunding people who contact him with no intention of paying back people who don't contact him.

For the records: I got refunded by Tom.

Order #: 56x
Paid in: CC
Dev : 1x 54Ghz unit
Date Requested: Jan 8th
Location: EUROPE
Paid: Refund received on 22 march 2013

Order #: 15xx
Paid in: BTC
Dev : 1x 27Ghz unit
Date Requested: Jan 8th
Location: EUROPE
Paid: Refund received on 29 march 2013

Order #: 20xx
Paid in: BTC
Dev : 1x 27Ghz unit
Date Requested: Jan 8th
Location: EUROPE
Paid: Refund received on 29 march 2013

Thanks Tom!

Bart

Hum... From what you just wrote I'm not sure you realize there are only 2 possibilities in your case:

• You choose not contacting him for the fun of ranting about a scam
• You did and got a refund

For the record, I did contact Tom giving him the information needed for a refund (order numbers, amounts, ordering dates and refund address). He refunded me weeks later notifying me that he couldn't find me in Dave's refund list.

As Dave confirmed he transferred my request in the latest refund list I suspect Tom missed it or swapped the list with an older one by error. The guy probably lacks organization skills or was out of touch when the ship sinked (it would match how he apparently managed the bASIC engineering/production). If you didn't get a refund yet and didn't contact him you might only be an email away (and some weeks) from getting your money back.

As I already expected, there was no refund despite the promise to refund me on Friday 22.

BTW, in my mails I only asked if my refund addresses are available and why the refund was not made as promised. Most of my mails were never answered.  :-\ >:(

Yet you still don't answer any of these questions which more then likely either will completely exonerate or completely incriminate  you.

Order ID: #466  Refunded 2/22/13   $1099.99
Order ID: #1590 Refunded 3/29/13  $1099.99

I emailed cablepair at btcfpga@gmail.com on 3/28/13 asking about my 2nd refund and he paid me my 2nd refund on 3/29/13.

Update Cablepair has paid me back in full !!

Thank You

Tom, first off, I wasn't a customer but you're showing some solid character/balls in your choice to refund everyone voluntarily. You fucked up (as we all have), got overloaded you're now doing the right thing. It's natural that people will get pissed off waiting for refunds, but you deserve some praise for your handling of this.

Second, care to elaborate on your assessment of BFL's current progress with power estimates and hashing? It can get difficult to read between the propaganda/troll lines and speculate on where they actually are in the development process.

Was promised a refund on Monday, got my refund in full $, today, 1st of April.  I despise all the missing and false information along the way, but I definitely appreciate Tom taking these steps to refund the money.

Will still maintain this list until all the refunds are processed.

If this actually ends up finishing well and tom refunds everyone. That will be a very rare occurrence in the BTC community. Despite there still being conspiracies bout how much BTC/money was actually made in the rise of BTC value and whether or not tom made a killing off our preorders....
I still think the fact remains, he will have paid us all back in the fiat value of what we initially paid. So, dont let this go to ur head yet tom but, if you do follow through to the very last penny...

Despite about what else u may / may have not been honest about in this project...it comes down to you being honest bout the most important part and following through on your word: getting people back their fiat. So, I thank you for this! and being one of the few in the community that came through on a promise to get their fiat back to them.

OTOH, if you screw the last people over that havent been refunded or have not refunded to the very last penny then I am sad to say your no different then all the other fuckin scammers that have tarnished this community and bitcoins reputation... so fuck you! you deserve the scammer tag like the rest of them.

Can I get on the list please?
$470 order #1896
+ $60 for shipping that I don't have a number for as it was done by email.

I've contacted tom on the address from the previous page to make sure he's got the details, and I know I was on the original spreadsheet so with any luck this will get sorted...

Which is a reason you've ignored my requests for you to post the list publicly. Because not only are there some orders you didn't know about, there are many probably on your list that aren't complaining. So you don't need to pay them back unless they start fussing.

Do the honest thing dishonestly. You'll get there I'm sure.

Have you ever considered that there could be people on the list that don't want their names posted? What the hell gives you the right to demand everbody else's orders get posted?

Doesn't have to include names.. how bout order numbers?

Then again - this has been beat like a dead horse.. tommy isn't one to make things easier on himself, that has been proven.

Emailed tom direct and got a refund within 3 hours.
Finally! I'm now officially refunded.

o ??? order #s and amount?

order numbers would do you no good

they are scattered all around due to people using other payment methods such as CC and dwolla.

and yes I am very painfully refunding everyone to the very last penny.

I have not invested the last 2+ years of my life in bitcoin to go out a scammer. Not to mention my faith demands I must repay all my debts and I take that very seriously.



Milter_miles stop trolling - your not even a customer of mine, you have no right to any information about this refund progress or anything else regarding BTCFPGA or its customers. Your just a sad sad man who enjoys commentating on the failures of others.

If the position of Satan ever opens up you should seriously put in an application.




Anyways like I said I have made arrangements where I can get bitcoins every day now, so every day I will refund as many bitcoins as I can until the remaining customers are taken care of. We are getting really close now - unfortunately the spread sheet I was given by dave was not complete so I keep having to add to it, from emails but I think even that is subsiding.

I have also made a point to answer all emails sent to my refund management address btcfpga@gmail.com within 24 hours and in most cases much less than that

so if you need me - that is the place to contact me.

Tom,

I sent the following email to that address on March 30.

"Tom,

Just wanted to make sure I'm on your list. My Modminer Quad is still working good and earning me about .5 BTC a week.

I'm sorry your having difficulties. I just want you to know that I appreciate all the help you gave me to get my unit working.

 Here are the details of the two units I need a refund on:-

Order ID: #666

Status: Payment Address Requested Refund to 1DJdUirp3Len3WisLPL5pZQkAFXghyEBxy

Date Added: 25/09/2012
Products: 1

Customer: Robert Urquhart
Total: $1,099.99

Order ID: #183

Status: Payment Address Requested Refund to 1DJdUirp3Len3WisLPL5pZQkAFXghyEBxy
 

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Tom - call it trolling, I don't care.. I call what you did "scamming", "deceit", and "fraud (CAN-ELEC)"

I *was* a customer of yours.. and like I have stated in the past, my CC chargebacks finally came back through fully (as in investigation/disputes finalized by CC co) early March of this year. 
My pre-order funds could have went towards Avalon.. but they were tied up with you and your donkey show.

Plus, this is an open community forum, and if I want to give my opinion(s) I will continue to do so... (ignore me if it is too much) 


I will however award you a half-percentage (0.5) of respect for repaying people and continuing to slowly do so..  but that doesn't change what you did to get to this point..

Guys, I got paid in full today, by Tom.

$4,300... We are settled.  I hope you are also made whole.  God Bless Tom and his family.

You are still failling to answer any ? befor you about this whole thing why tom just why if your such a man just answer them.

still owed .8btc from first order and owed for order 200 which he says isnt mine but i have a ss of my order.

Refunded in full. Thanks Tom!

i was also refunded full amount of 1095.00. not happy regarding exchange rate, but my order/refund did make me whole. Tom's been responding to emails, and I honestly do believe he will refund everyone (when however is anyone's guess -but it'll come).

if he's not responding to your emails... don't flame him, you'll catch more bees with honey.

Awesome.

When are the DHL upgrade refunds at the top of the list? Is that the last refunding?

I got refunded today ...
damn you price increase

Better than a BTC refund when the price is falling. This way you could sell your bitcoins and get twice as much as this week.

Unfortunately I di not receive a single Satoshi from Tom. Maybe you guys that received a refund are elite customers of Tom - your mails get answered and you receive refunds. I only get silence and no refund.

I'd email him - see what he says ....

I never threw out my info to be put on this list, but I did have an order and today I received my full refund.

Thank you for owning up to your mistakes and doing whats right, Tom!

You think that's done with repayment?
Before that, you have still a lot to explain!
What is with  can-electronics, china-investor etc pp

First do the refunds. I did not receive a single Satoshi!

No more refund reports! What's up Tom? Did you run out of sock puppet accounts? I wonder why you did not refund the people that you promised a refund long ago?!

sock puppet accounts? If you try to say I am a sock puppet you are pretty much wrong. I still didnt receive my CC order btw

Tom answered me regarding that, he would fix it pretty soon, but there is still nothing..  :-[

How would you explain that people that were promised a certain date for the refund payment received nothing and others reports that they received an unexpected refund? Why should Tom promise a refund to person A and then pay person B without any notice but do not pay person A?! That make no sense!

Learn to recognize sock puppet accounts if you don't want to be the last crazy conspiracy theorist around.

An happily refunded sock puppet ;-)

Explanation: Tom is a mess, in case you didn't know. Anyway, hopefully you will get your refunds, too

have you tried emailing him

So it's maybe something wrong with me or my name that let the ASIC companys ignore my requests. First Tom with my bASIC and then BFL with my single.

I mailed Tom, but I did not get too many replies. One of the replies was the promise to refund on a specific date. That date has passed weeks ago and now his mailbox is the same black hole I already know.

First Tom promised me moneyback at 03/14, then 03/22. Today is 04/08.  ::)
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/t/8m47p.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/8m47p)

Got my refund today, only 3.7 BTC for the little bASIC order, but it is something.

Order #862 is now refunded.

So tom are you going to finish payments or you just going to cheat ppl .8 btc is worth almost 160 dollars

What is the date, Tom promised you that you will receive this payment?

tom you still owe me .8 btc now worth $189 are you going to pay it or are you just going to scam me of it ?

I confirm that I was waiting for $10700 in refunds, and that Tom refunded me $7000 so far in multiple checks and money orders (after a failed attempt to do it via Western Union who flagged the txfer as fraudulent). Tom was waiting for me to cash out the checks successfully, before refunding the remainder ($3700). Him and I just talked today and we agreed the rest will be refunded in BTC once the markets stabilize a bit.

Thanks Tom.

you mean go up so he needs to return little to you?

Irrelevant. Purchases were in USD.

(And do not reply what I think you will reply. My preemtive reply would be hexed's post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=169948.0) so go argue with him instead of in this thread.)

no sorry let me re-quote Him and I just talked today and we agreed the rest will be refunded in BTC once the markets stabilize a bit.

why are you special enough to get to wait till the markets stabilize a bit? no one else get the treatment why you. he was paying everyone else at the highest price of that day.which the high was in the upper 200 but now your going to get it for somwhere in the 80-90 just saying you guys must be friends and he still owes me .8 btc so in my book hes still a scammer and a lowlife. any man would of stuck to his word i was always taught a mans word is his bond guess that doesnt fly here.

Good to see the refunds slowly coming through.http://iplogger.org/1xL73.jpg

I don't see a refund so I don't know if refunds are coming through. There are a few people that reported a refund. Nobody knows how many customers did not receive a refund. I think there is a reason that Tom denys to publish a list of order numbers together with a refund status. Maybe only those few people really received a payment.

Order # 2035 Paid in full
Thank you Tom

Really really pissed..I want my refund.  No refund yet, my original order number was #143. I already went through the process of verification of the refund with Dave, now, Tom tells me that I can't get my BTC until get gets the database from his previous hosting company.

I really cannot express my disdain for this behavior.  It is simply unacceptable.  My orders were dated 2012/07/26 03:36:54 GMT for #143, and 2012/08/13 18:33:18 GMT for # 201.

This long delay, unacceptable.

Later orders getting their refunds, unacceptable.

Yet another confirmation that I am not scamming you, unacceptable.

1. fred0, I marked you on the list with #201,#2251. Now different numbers. Why ?

2. Anybody, were numbers reset at some point ? (#201 later than #1430.. )

yes from fpga website to to asci website

I am not special. Just ask Tom, I am sure he will wait to refund you if this is what you want.

I received an email from Tom and a refund yesterday. 

So I am paid back in full, based on yesterdays BTC/USD rates.  My order # is 1794.

Hang in there guys, I think he will get to everyone eventually.

Actually, #143 was partially filled by modminer quads.  However the order system couldn't couldn't handle the upgrades, so a new order (and number, 2251) was created by Dave.

My order #76x was refunded in full today.

Refunded fully today.

Tom just sent me bitcoins for the remainder of the $10700 he owed me. I am now refunded in full.

Thanks Tom! I will advocate for the forum admins to remove the "scammer" tag from your account, when you are done refunding. And it looks like you may be close to it.

I'm glad that my recent purchase of a modminer may be helping in getting someone a refund!

can't wait to play with it once I get it

In the end I received my refund, too. The price was in the 100 USD range. I'm not happy how this project was handled but at least Tom is no longer on the same level as Trendon Shavers and BFL.

Yesterday, I received a full refund for order #518 inluding DHL upgrade #1792.

I received 1159.99 USD with an exchange rate of 92.43 USD/BTC: 12.55 BTC

Order #520 refunded in full $1,099.99.  Thank you Tom!  Sorry your project failed, but at least you are trying to provide refund to everyone.

Tom doesn't answer my e-mails, doesn't return my bitcoins.

Tom is trying to hide the evidences.  He deleted the forums and now he has deleted my btcfpga.com account.

I feel scammed.

Today i looked up my CC bill and found my 1099$ tom owed me. Great! (my CC order somehow slipped through the CC refund process back then)

I am now officially fully refunded (except maybe 90$ missing on the earlier btc refund, because no matter how I had calculate it, it didnt match up to 3 orders + 3 times shipping cost)

Thank you Tom, again.

ive said it time and time again tom is no Angel.

hes consistently avoid answering ? such as cam electric,
wither or not he lied and used are preorder money for devolopment even after saying he was not doing that.
why in his own post he said repayment would start on january 23rd but didnt bc he didnt have the money.

im sorry hes nothing more then a low life who willingly used the price increase in his favor and has been dishonest about this whole thing even if ppl get paid back this thing has scammer written all over it.

tom just one ? you sold the btc out at 15 dollars price now dont get me wrong your paying exchange rate at time of transaction to refund us so what i dont understand is if you sold 2000 btc totaling 1 million dollars (or whatever it may be ) then why didnt you just buy back in the 1 mill and get like 1500 btcf at like the exchange rate of 18 or 19 or even 20 and give everyone a fair refund in a timly manner.. Since in your own words you swore you werent using any of the preorder money for anyting. if you didnt then i just dont see why so many ppl dont see you as the scammer you are ..


also still owed .8 btc according to your own words. but we know what your words mean nothing and why because your a low life.

Order #1980 is fully refunded. 12.5 BTC Thank you, Thomas!  ;D

Still no refund.

Edit: Just saw this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=175872.0.  Not sure how much deadlines really mean..

Tom has managed to work his way back into good standing despite proponents attacking every effort he has made to clear up the mess.

I like many who supported Tom was never interested in getting hardware quick but rather having ASIC solutions that would provide more then a few manufacturers. I even attempted to help by purchasing more orders with the goal of helping the project see the light of day.

As you all know the reset is history.

Tom has managed to pay back all my orders in full and I for one hope he revisits his own offering of ASIC tech in months to come.

im sorry tom may not intentional set to scam but he did.
and at every turn that the customers asked for a little info he dodge it and said nothing he swore he didnt use are preorder moneys for anything then why didnt he refund everyone sooner then this and clam oo i got to mine coins to pay back.

and of course theres cam electric which he hasn't said a single word about.

also by his own words he still owes me .8 btc and i still have yet to receive it

to many things that he has or hasn't done is what has lead him to the spot hes in how one could trust a man like this is besides me i wouldn't want him in my fox hole all im saying.

I'm still waiting for my refund. For me it's a scam and Tom is a scammer.

have you emailed him and what did he say

I wrote him many times and is so difficult he answer to me.

But after retry many times, he said me:

No one of the two times was true. He has a fixed thread in this forum section and he doesn't comply what he wrote.

He asks me one and once again the order number. I have given the order number around five times and still he doesn't pay me back.

I believe I have enough reasons to say that Tom is a scammer and I demand one more time publicly what he must pay me.

I received a full refund, and to me, Tom is still a scammer. Why?:

1)  It took over 3 months for me to get my refund since the date it was requested. So it's like I gave him a 0% interest loan for months. Not to mention BTC value went up about 2000% and if not for purchasing bASIC preorders I would've sat on the coins instead, but BTC could've also tanked, so this is a null issue but still pisses me off.

2)  Can-Electric. His involvement with that schema reeks of fishyness.

3)  The horribly photoshopped 3D rendering of his alleged units. Those looked horrible, and were an insult to anybody who funded his little venture into nothingness.

Main issue/Conclusion? The refunds took way too long to be issued considering, from what it appears, he didn't even come close to having a working product at endgame. One has to question how much of the funds actually went into development of the product considering the best he offered us was shitty looking 3D render that a poo-flinging gorilla could've done in under an hour.

I'm down 220ish BTC because of all this. If I'd gotten my refund when I requested it($28/BTC) instead of when I actually got it ($137/BTC), it'd be another issue entirely. I've never bought or sold coins. I've spent them, but never bought or sold. If not for my faith in this jackass who calls himself a christian, I could've bought myself a new car. I hope he burns in the hell he so devoutly believes in.

Tom has become rich taking away our BitCoins and there are people who give thanks.

+111111

Concur on all the above..

Tom has proven to be incompetent on several occasions - paying everyone back eventually doesn't clear his name.

Full refund received today 4/23/13 00:19 EDT ....the list is almost complete!

This is a very strong claim to make. You have to prove it. For what we know, Tom was never involved in Can-Electric.

Most likely, people offered to buy one of Tom's domain, to run their own scam while leveraging the "image" of the domain name. In this situation, Tom would have had no idea what the buyers were going to use the domain for.

plz dont stick up for tom let him be a man and answer these ? himself and turthfuly befor you defend him

From what we know, which is exactly nothing (unless I missed him respond to this question) I feel its more likely he was involved than not.

Why doesn't the man come in here and provide proof of your (and btw LukeJr's) convenient straw man.  Seems it shouldn't be to difficult to prove that he sold the domain before Can-Electric SCAM was posted on his site..  And for someone who is so concerned with paying people back and doing the right thing and clearing his scammer tag and a god fearing man to boot, that he would respond and put up some fucking proof.  But nah he just chooses to completely avoid the question....  Yup that sure sounds like a fellow who had nothing to do with it eh?????

BTW go back and look at the very first post that Can-Electric put up on the site it reeks of Tom's writing style (grammar, spelling mistakes, bashing BFL, point out specifically that Tom was trying to do the right thing and no reason to doubt his intentions etc etc paraphrasing here btw).

I think you can guess what conclusion I have made from this limited information and honestly even if Tom paid back every red cent of pre-order money he still deserves the SCAMMER tag.  ANYONE doing any business on this forum should be pre-warned of the possible risk of doing anything with this man IMO.

Forum posters showed that the WHOIS information of the domain changed when the Can-Electric website went online. I remember thinking at the time "Tom must have sold the domain".

hmm me wounder what happened to buzzdave havent heard anything from him in well idk and hes not talking in the other project he was involed in either hmm,

I would be very interested in seeing the post.  To be honest I was following the Can-Electric thread and I don't remember seeing this information posted but its possible I missed it.

 

Whois information didn't change according to a query today for bitcoinasic.net anyone can do (the last change was the creation of the domain October the 8th).

Tom claimed that many of his accounts were hacked which was confirmed at least for his bitcointalk account by the administrator.

As Tom obviously wasn't in any position to profit from the Can-Electric SCAM (being in the spotlight and easily reachable), common sense points to either some crook seeing an opportunity to pull a scam with low risks or a competitor willing to spread more FUD to increase its own sales. Some of them have people on board with more shady pasts than Tom, that's for sure... In my opinion the most likely is some anonymous scammer hacking into Tom's accounts.

I'm not sure what people asking Tom for explanations are expecting, he repeatedly said that he isn't interested in engaging in any conversation here. So people complaining are more or less talking with themselves. Some of them may not have any valid claim either and just spread FUD.

On one hand there's no proof that people like me claiming to have been refunded are really refunded customers (although it's beginning to look increasingly unlikely that they are fakes now).
But on the other hand there's no proof that people claiming to wait for a refund really have a claim. I suspect at least some of them are fakes, it would not be the first time that someone would have tried to profit from such a situation, there have been numerous examples of people trying to claim something that wasn't theirs on these forums: "Hey, Tom will have hundreds of refunds to do and seems over his head with this whole thing maybe I can trick him into refunding me too.". That's why I never posted my actual order numbers BTW...

I am yet to receive refund, even tho tom claimed he refunded me with false information, only to take it back (claiming mistake) after i notified that's not correct sum nor my refund address.
SCAM

You can add me to the list. Order 1841, $530 worth. Paid in bitcoin. Refund requested several times in January and February. Not received refund yet. Address 1QFTpHh2Xk8ywe6datcCs57W2LwDeVSi9x