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Title: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Masha Sha on July 11, 2016, 12:30:33 AM
Warning beautiful sunset over Syria...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_j3WrFx-J4

I don't see the point... Since when did they sign to defend a foreign nation? Independently of everything why the fuck Russians are dying in Syria? Widows and Russian orphan for Assad? As the saying goes who can shoot one helicopter can shoot two... Who can 2 can 3... On and on.

Syria will be the downfall of Putin... Sooner or later, Internet censorship or not, because this one will be internal... And when the Russian soldiers say no to the Kremlin it's the end. However I think that Putin is smart enough to take this defeat and move everyone home (didn't it happen already?) and let the fucking Baathists of Syria face the consequences of their actions... Alone with their Shia allies.

It's not Russia's war.


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: xhomerx10 on July 11, 2016, 12:37:00 AM
That's what allies do?  Since 1980, they have a defense agreement which also allows Russia to have a naval base in Tartus.

edit: I made a mistake the 1980 agreement was one of Friendship and Cooperation.  The naval base was opened in 1971 under a different agreement ;)


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Masha Sha on July 11, 2016, 12:49:53 AM
That's what allies do?  Since 1980, they have a defense agreement which also allows Russia to have a naval base in Tartus.

edit: I made a mistake the 1980 agreement was one of Friendship and Cooperation.  The naval base was opened in 1971 under a different agreement ;)

Syria is part of the new Warsaw Pact? I didn't knew that. More seriously when an allies goes into destroying his country to keep his palaces and privileges it's a good opportunity to get ride of the allies.

So Russian forces must know they are going to die to defend Russia allies... Nice perspectives. Who are the other beneficiaries?

I would not be able to explain that to the widows and orphans of the pilots. Btw evil America always release killed and wounded in action numbers,,, I guess those dead and wounded Russian metrics are a national secret? How many Russians died for Assad?


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: virtualx on July 11, 2016, 01:13:20 AM

It's not Russia's war.
War no longer only affects the area within the borders of a country. Syrian migrants going all the way to Canada being an example.
Germany invading Poland 50 years ago was not a British war either  ::)

So Russian forces must know they are going to die to defend Russia allies...
People die for what they believe in, nothing new here.




Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Masha Sha on July 11, 2016, 01:21:04 AM

It's not Russia's war.
War no longer only affects the area within the borders of a country. Syrian migrants going all the way to Canada being an example.
Germany invading Poland 50 years ago was not a British war either  ::)

So Russian forces must know they are going to die to defend Russia allies...
People die for what they believe in, nothing new here.




The sexy pm of Canada is IMPORTING them... Don't get confused. I am pretty sure that 99% of the Russian active military will find totally stupid for them or their comrades to die to defend Assad. What ever the narrative of the Kremlin. Reality doesn't care if it is lies from the White House, the Kremlin or Beijing. Lies are an inaccurate description of reality. You can change the narrative but not the lies told and even less reality.

Again what to tell to the widow of the pilot recently married? Your husband died uselessy like a piece of shit for the hubris of the Kremlin in annoying American regime change program in the Middle East. For your confort he is not the first nor the last. Have a nice day. Btw here is a little shinny medal and a thank you note from the army. We are proud of him. Bye

??? No I don't think honest soldiers can do that... i may have higher standard...

If Putin was the one send in Syria he would have overthrow the Kremlin, that was the old days...


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: virtualx on July 11, 2016, 01:37:59 AM

I am pretty sure that 99% of the Russian active military will find totally stupid for them or their comrades to die to defend Assad.
Without a research, no proof. It may as well be 50%, 30% or 10%.
Assad may be bad for the country, but do you consider ISIL an alternative  ???



Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Bitbobb on July 11, 2016, 01:50:57 AM

I am pretty sure that 99% of the Russian active military will find totally stupid for them or their comrades to die to defend Assad.
Without a research, no proof. It may as well be 50%, 30% or 10%.
Assad may be bad for the country, but do you consider ISIL an alternative  ???



Masha sha was talking about isil when he said American regime change.  It is called using a proxy.  How did you miss that point in his response.  Your white and black sucker bait question style leaves me uneasy about your motivation.  If innocently put then I am uneasy about your lack of understanding especially while you criticized him for not doing his research.  You think the premise you maintain needs no research?  I know these topics are hard to research so maybe you will take my point and do some more research before you draw such sharp criticisms in the future.  One can hope.


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: xhomerx10 on July 11, 2016, 03:54:31 AM
That's what allies do?  Since 1980, they have a defense agreement which also allows Russia to have a naval base in Tartus.

edit: I made a mistake the 1980 agreement was one of Friendship and Cooperation.  The naval base was opened in 1971 under a different agreement ;)

Syria is part of the new Warsaw Pact? I didn't knew that. More seriously when an allies goes into destroying his country to keep his palaces and privileges it's a good opportunity to get ride of the allies.

So Russian forces must know they are going to die to defend Russia allies... Nice perspectives. Who are the other beneficiaries?

I would not be able to explain that to the widows and orphans of the pilots. Btw evil America always release killed and wounded in action numbers,,, I guess those dead and wounded Russian metrics are a national secret? How many Russians died for Assad?

  I didn't say Warsaw Pact and/or I don't understand your humour.  It's quite subjective to say Assad is destroying his country when clearly there are many sides in this "civil" war.  He is fighting for his life (literally) and being a megalomaniac, I doubt he's going to go quietly.  Well, that's quite clear.  Also, he has the support of Saudi Arabia and Russia because neither of them would like the outcome of his deposition.  I don't think the US can tolerate another middle eastern country with no clear leader either - it would simply create another terrorist stronghold.  Certainly, Putin cares.  When it's your only naval base on the Mediterranean, you will tolerate a great deal of controversy from your ally.  After all, you'd want to be careful not to throw out the baby with the bath water.  If you don't help, you lose the naval port for sure since either your ally becomes hostile or your ally is deposed and if you don't help enough, you are still going to lose your port because... well you've lost the entire country to the rebels/insurgents and you were on the wrong side.

 I knew it wasn't many, though more Russians than I thought have died.  I had to refer to Wiki to find out there have been 13 casualties among the regular Russian armed forces in Syria.  Not bad at all for allegedly flying 9000 sorties and freeing 400 localities.


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Masha Sha on July 11, 2016, 08:36:14 AM
1 is already too much when it's your son, brother, husband or father.

I thank you for your informative replies but I still can't justify it to the families of the fallen and those coming next. I could easily add other arguments to rebut you, and from the quality of your answers you know them already.

But I would like to pin out that for the first time I read someone saying that the Saudis were in with the Russians on that. Who knows... But the objectives of many to stop the Arab Spring is only a temporary success.

First they killed the peaceful ones, then they kills those coming to fight and finally they lost against those coming to die.

The birth of the Jihad. Medina wasn't conquered in one day and it took many lives to liberate China.

And to conclude if peaceful changes are blocked by violence... Don't be surprise when a more efficient and versatiler form is used to overcome yours.

Anyways Russian home, defending home front, fuck the rest of the world what ever real justification. Putin will not send his sons in law as such no other men shall die for anything but the safety of the motherland. Since the beginning of Russian support terrorism has exploded. And is getting better at it everyday. America had to overcome Russia and impose its law. One shot. But it's funnier to clip unarmed black men...

And don't forget the biggest success of this Russian intervention is radicalization... Russians didn't seen it yet... Think red revolution violence level. It's coming back.


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Nemo1024 on July 11, 2016, 06:38:21 PM
I am strongly suspecting "Masha Sha" of trolling...

First and foremost, the Russian servicemen, who serve (and who died) in Syria are not doing it "for Assad". They are doing it against the Obama-regime-installed terrorists, who are fully-geared to move the battlefield into Russia proper. This was aptly demonstrated by the attack on Aktobe (formerly Aktubinsk) in the Northern Kazakhstan (Southern Russia before 1917) a month ago.

Let me put it this way. What would be better (a lesser evil) if 10 Russian soldiers died in Syria now or 1.000.000 Russian soldiers and civilians died in Russia in a few years' time fighting the out-of-control IS, with all the Southern Russia being in flames like Syria is now?


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Masha Sha on July 11, 2016, 09:39:06 PM
I am strongly suspecting "Masha Sha" of trolling...

First and foremost, the Russian servicemen, who serve (and who died) in Syria are not doing it "for Assad". They are doing it against the Obama-regime-installed terrorists, who are fully-geared to move the battlefield into Russia proper. This was aptly demonstrated by the attack on Aktobe (formerly Aktubinsk) in the Northern Kazakhstan (Southern Russia before 1917) a month ago.

Let me put it this way. What would be better (a lesser evil) if 10 Russian soldiers died in Syria now or 1.000.000 Russian soldiers and civilians died in Russia in a few years' time fighting the out-of-control IS, with all the Southern Russia being in flames like Syria is now?

God bless you Nemo! Finally someone honest about the situation. I am not trolling but as soon as I hear a guy like Peter lavel or what ever is name on RT with his line: legitimate government of Syria... I don't even fulminate or feel insulted but just ask myself:is he really that arrogant.

Now what you express is a great understandable concern, who will effectively totally fall inline with the role and duty of Russians soldiers.

Sadly I see a problem in this argumentation: the belief that the Americans or the Saudis for the matter can control those groups. Simple answer they can't.

For me and now I understand that the consequences of a confrontation between the us and Russia is far worse than what ever the jihadists could do... And for the foreseeable future. I understand equally that the past can't be changed and don't like the idea of inflicting a fault on someone even if I am biased because I have strong opinions on who is responsible for the necessary rise of these kinds of fighters. It brings nothing new or innovative.

what I strongly believe is that their is a problem in washington. What I hope is that the Russian side understand that it's the last breath of this admin. And that soon all of their views and policies and hubris and lies will be shattered away by the new admin who ever is controlling America.

What I am gonna write may sound naive but wouldn't it be possible to find a solution the way Germany was splited? The problem is that I don't see an end to the fighting as long as Assad is alive. He did too much against some big ethnic group in the country. And not only him but his father too and his son will continue.

So I think that making concession on both side (impossible with this admin, you know the legend of the first black president will be written in lies) will be necessary.

I understand equally that their is a big problem in the region between dictators wanting to keep their palaces, aspiring dictators wanting to steal the palace, hardcore shaareehaist who want to impose their way by killing and subjugating everyone who may disagree and some youth freedom lovers. If it wasn't bad their are the tribal divide and religious and ethnic divide, a little salt of Israelis security to spices the explosive mix.

I don't see really a positive path forward. However being clear to everyone is better than repeating a lie about the legitimate gov of Syria... Killing and more and in mass the citizens of Syria by the gov can't be considered legitimate.

This is maybe what Russians missed in the great regime change of the Middle East. I have no other realistic option than defrag the all region while containing spills and by this I mean eliminating armed group wanting to take over. But what ever the best plan or intentions: by breading like rabbits over mostly sand those people are engaged in a demographic war against Russia Europe China and America.

Furthermore those people would really profit from division against those mentioned (9.11 being a good example, and the thousand American killed and wounded in Irak and afg to testify to the seriousness of the threats).

I would like to see Washington to be honest too about the now. But I know it's impossible for at least 7-8 months... You saw like me how Corzine, Epstein and Hillary have been treated (they are from the same lines as Assad).

I don't believe in lying to people who are gonna be put in serious arms way. So your actual explanation is good with me and I could defend it without problem. Of course the Isis guys will aim for Russia...

Personally what I would like is to punish Assad and his supporters and all the civilians who profited from the Assad regime by flattening Damascus and lataque. I know it's not fair, but Tokyo wasn't fair nor dresde. Once all those are killed, everyone, give a few hours for all belligerent to surrender their weapons or face the same destiny.

To resume: more to lose in war US vs Russia than all the terrorists combine could do and Russian or American pride is unwelcome and UN or what ever is populated with the same people as Assad, Hillary and Corzine. I hope that American will stop once the lecturer is out to make their little pussies and idiots about a few square miles on western Russia and by recognizing Crimea and dombass as part of Russia will permit Russians to compromise equally or at leat faint to get the elimination of Damascus as city (no more minaret, flatten this shit altogether)!

Thanks for reading and your reply, I much appreciate it. It's always informative, refreshing and honest!


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: virtualx on July 11, 2016, 10:17:14 PM
What I am gonna write may sound naive but wouldn't it be possible to find a solution the way Germany was splited? The problem is that I don't see an end to the fighting as long as Assad is alive. He did too much against some big ethnic group in the country. And not only him but his father too and his son will continue.
Korea peninsula is an example of such border. Half of the country doesn't have access to basic resources, families are divided, constant threat of war (no matter north or south), media is censored on both sides, infrastructure between countries is lacking, the list goes on.  I don't think this is the best solution for either side of the country.

A Syrian wall may be a solution to stop violence, but if it would be like Berlin wall or Korea it certainly is not best for its people in the long term. The average person just wants to live but is victim of the (international) politics.


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Masha Sha on July 12, 2016, 08:22:18 AM
What I am gonna write may sound naive but wouldn't it be possible to find a solution the way Germany was splited? The problem is that I don't see an end to the fighting as long as Assad is alive. He did too much against some big ethnic group in the country. And not only him but his father too and his son will continue.
Korea peninsula is an example of such border. Half of the country doesn't have access to basic resources, families are divided, constant threat of war (no matter north or south), media is censored on both sides, infrastructure between countries is lacking, the list goes on.  I don't think this is the best solution for either side of the country.

A Syrian wall may be a solution to stop violence, but if it would be like Berlin wall or Korea it certainly is not best for its people in the long term. The average person just wants to live but is victim of the (international) politics.


The question isn't what is good for Syrians but what is good for Russia... Interesting idea to enclose them all like beasts :-)


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: xhomerx10 on July 12, 2016, 01:23:18 PM
Warning beautiful sunset over Syria...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_j3WrFx-J4

I don't see the point... Since when did they sign to defend a foreign nation? Independently of everything why the fuck Russians are dying in Syria? Widows and Russian orphan for Assad? As the saying goes who can shoot one helicopter can shoot two... Who can 2 can 3... On and on.

Syria will be the downfall of Putin... Sooner or later, Internet censorship or not, because this one will be internal... And when the Russian soldiers say no to the Kremlin it's the end. However I think that Putin is smart enough to take this defeat and move everyone home (didn't it happen already?) and let the fucking Baathists of Syria face the consequences of their actions... Alone with their Shia allies.

It's not Russia's war.

 Why did you alter the OP rather than simply reply to the thread? 


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Spandam on July 12, 2016, 01:28:29 PM
To kill all fucking terrorists and its supporters like you. This is not Russia's war. This is Humanities war to get rid of Terrorism.


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Daniel91 on July 12, 2016, 02:10:19 PM
I think that this question you should ask Putin, not us :)
It's obvious that Russia trying to expand their politic and economic influence all over the world and that this is big chess match between USA and Russia.
Russia wants to become world power again and also restore old block divisions between East and West.
It's very dangerous policy in the long term.


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: virtualx on July 12, 2016, 02:31:59 PM
It's obvious that Russia trying to expand their politic and economic influence all over the world and that this is big chess match between USA and Russia.
US is trying to expand their politic and economic influence too.
China is trying to expand their politic and economic influence too.
EU is trying to expand their politic and economic influence too.

That is the nature of empires..


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: bryant.coleman on July 12, 2016, 04:19:02 PM
The Russians are dropping bombs in Raqqa, while the Americans are busy supplying TOW missiles to the Caliphate. The Russia's bravest are fighting the ISIS, so that the Islamic State cancer is prevented from spreading further. Had the Russians stayed away from the warzone, Aleppo and Baghdad would have come under the Caliphate by now.


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: tvbcof on July 12, 2016, 04:33:33 PM

The Russians are dropping bombs in Raqqa, while the Americans are busy supplying TOW missiles to the Caliphate. The Russia's bravest are fighting the ISIS, so that the Islamic State cancer is prevented from spreading further. Had the Russians stayed away from the warzone, Aleppo and Baghdad would have come under the Caliphate by now.

For these actions, Putin's Russia seems to be developing a feeling of good will within certain countries which are outwardly hostile due to current political leadership prerogatives.  Specifically the United States.  There seems to be a correlation between this sense and those who support and surround Trump (including myself.)  Whether these feelings are misplace or not, and whether these feelings will translate into future mistakes, only time will tell.  In the here and now I think it safe to say that much of the world views Russia's actions as being the ethical, responsible, and proper thing to do in the current situation.



Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Nemo1024 on July 12, 2016, 06:07:21 PM
For these actions, Putin's Russia seems to be developing a feeling of good will within certain countries which are outwardly hostile due to current political leadership prerogatives.  Specifically the United States.  There seems to be a correlation between this sense and those who support and surround Trump (including myself.)  Whether these feelings are misplace or not, and whether these feelings will translate into future mistakes, only time will tell.  In the here and now I think it safe to say that much of the world views Russia's actions as being the ethical, responsible, and proper thing to do in the current situation.

I really hope for the sake of the ordinary Americans, as well as the sake of all of humanity, that USA gets a leader, who is more interested in his country's well-being and who at the same time can curb the colonisational globalism of the corporate USA.


The Russians are dropping bombs in Raqqa, while the Americans are busy supplying TOW missiles to the Caliphate. The Russia's bravest are fighting the ISIS, so that the Islamic State cancer is prevented from spreading further. Had the Russians stayed away from the warzone, Aleppo and Baghdad would have come under the Caliphate by now.

https://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2016/07/11/russian-helicopter-in-syria-downed-by-isis-from-american-stinger/

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This video posted by ISIS shows the militants’ jubilation over shooting down a Russian helicopter near Palmyra. The Russian-made helicopter belonged to the Syrian army, while the crew consisted of two Russian pilots, who flew this mission at Syrian govt’s request. Both Russian pilots died.

RT: Islamic State militants have downed a military helicopter near Palmyra, Syria, killing two Russian pilots on board. The helicopter had been attacking the advancing terrorists at Damascus’ request when it was taken down, according to the Russian defense ministry. READ MORE: http://on.rt.com/7ibk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1oipMSuQd0

The most important detail, not shown on the video, is the weapon with which the ISIS terrorists shot down the helicopter and killed the Russian crew: an American Stinger handheld missile launcher.

According to Syrian minister of information, since May 2016 several dozen such Stingers were delivered to ISIS in Syria through Turkey. Now ISIS-Daesh has the capability of shooting down aircraft it previously could not.

You decide who and why supplies such weapons systems to Syrian terrorists!

...

During the Soviet war in Afghanistan, the CIA sent 2,300 Stinger missiles to various mujaheddin outfits throughout Afghanistan:

https://futuristrendcast.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/a-mujahideen-fighter-aims-an-fim-92-stinger-missile-at-passing-aircraft-afghanistan-1988-2.jpg?w=888&h=599

 :(


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Nemo1024 on July 12, 2016, 07:03:39 PM
I am strongly suspecting "Masha Sha" of trolling...

First and foremost, the Russian servicemen, who serve (and who died) in Syria are not doing it "for Assad". They are doing it against the Obama-regime-installed terrorists, who are fully-geared to move the battlefield into Russia proper. This was aptly demonstrated by the attack on Aktobe (formerly Aktubinsk) in the Northern Kazakhstan (Southern Russia before 1917) a month ago.

Let me put it this way. What would be better (a lesser evil) if 10 Russian soldiers died in Syria now or 1.000.000 Russian soldiers and civilians died in Russia in a few years' time fighting the out-of-control IS, with all the Southern Russia being in flames like Syria is now?


God bless you Nemo! Finally someone honest about the situation. I am not trolling but as soon as I hear a guy like Peter lavel or what ever is name on RT with his line: legitimate government of Syria... I don't even fulminate or feel insulted but just ask myself:is he really that arrogant.

Now what you express is a great understandable concern, who will effectively totally fall inline with the role and duty of Russians soldiers.

Sadly I see a problem in this argumentation: the belief that the Americans or the Saudis for the matter can control those groups. Simple answer they can't.

[snip]

Personally what I would like is to punish Assad and his supporters and all the civilians who profited from the Assad regime by flattening Damascus and lataque. I know it's not fair, but Tokyo wasn't fair nor dresde. Once all those are killed, everyone, give a few hours for all belligerent to surrender their weapons or face the same destiny.

To resume: more to lose in war US vs Russia than all the terrorists combine could do and Russian or American pride is unwelcome and UN or what ever is populated with the same people as Assad, Hillary and Corzine. I hope that American will stop once the lecturer is out to make their little pussies and idiots about a few square miles on western Russia and by recognizing Crimea and dombass as part of Russia will permit Russians to compromise equally or at leat faint to get the elimination of Damascus as city (no more minaret, flatten this shit altogether)!

Thanks for reading and your reply, I much appreciate it. It's always informative, refreshing and honest!

The thing is...

1. The Syrian government is legitimate in much the same way as (or even more than) the American government. Assad is a secular tolerant leader of his country who was elected to the post. Under his rule, until ISIS got imported, people of various religions lived in peace, the country enjoyed a high level of education and medical care.

2. Punish Assad for what exactly? How does he profit - by risking his life and sticking it out with his country, defending it from an invasion, and not running off, like some of the Western politicians would have done at the first tight of danger? Why should the Syrian Army surrender their weapons? To whom? The ISIS? To the Americans? Should have Russia, using your logic, also just surrendered to the Germans in 1941?

Should we not make the same demand of the Obama's money-profiteering, warmongering regime that his belligerents, who are now roaming Europe, dotting it with military bases, surrender or Washington gets erased from the face of the Earth?

PS: and I am highlighting my initial reply for the benefit of people like BobLawblaw


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: hermanhs09 on July 12, 2016, 07:41:53 PM
Warning beautiful sunset over Syria...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_j3WrFx-J4

I don't see the point... Since when did they sign to defend a foreign nation? Independently of everything why the fuck Russians are dying in Syria? Widows and Russian orphan for Assad? As the saying goes who can shoot one helicopter can shoot two... Who can 2 can 3... On and on.

Syria will be the downfall of Putin... Sooner or later, Internet censorship or not, because this one will be internal... And when the Russian soldiers say no to the Kremlin it's the end. However I think that Putin is smart enough to take this defeat and move everyone home (didn't it happen already?) and let the fucking Baathists of Syria face the consequences of their actions... Alone with their Shia allies.

It's not Russia's war.
It is not Russia war?
i would say it is some kind of world war.
Everybody should unite,to erase every extremist,because they are threat to people,not even to people that live in other country,but also
for the citizen's of the country these terrorist lives too.
Im against Assad,Al-Qaeda,and my opinion is that U.S forces does not do anything about it,because we dont see any american soldiers dying in this war.
But as we can see,russian's die,so it probably means they really try to fight with the.


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Masha Sha on July 12, 2016, 08:06:56 PM
I am strongly suspecting "Masha Sha" of trolling...

First and foremost, the Russian servicemen, who serve (and who died) in Syria are not doing it "for Assad". They are doing it against the Obama-regime-installed terrorists, who are fully-geared to move the battlefield into Russia proper. This was aptly demonstrated by the attack on Aktobe (formerly Aktubinsk) in the Northern Kazakhstan (Southern Russia before 1917) a month ago.

Let me put it this way. What would be better (a lesser evil) if 10 Russian soldiers died in Syria now or 1.000.000 Russian soldiers and civilians died in Russia in a few years' time fighting the out-of-control IS, with all the Southern Russia being in flames like Syria is now?


God bless you Nemo! Finally someone honest about the situation. I am not trolling but as soon as I hear a guy like Peter lavel or what ever is name on RT with his line: legitimate government of Syria... I don't even fulminate or feel insulted but just ask myself:is he really that arrogant.

Now what you express is a great understandable concern, who will effectively totally fall inline with the role and duty of Russians soldiers.

Sadly I see a problem in this argumentation: the belief that the Americans or the Saudis for the matter can control those groups. Simple answer they can't.

[snip]

Personally what I would like is to punish Assad and his supporters and all the civilians who profited from the Assad regime by flattening Damascus and lataque. I know it's not fair, but Tokyo wasn't fair nor dresde. Once all those are killed, everyone, give a few hours for all belligerent to surrender their weapons or face the same destiny.

To resume: more to lose in war US vs Russia than all the terrorists combine could do and Russian or American pride is unwelcome and UN or what ever is populated with the same people as Assad, Hillary and Corzine. I hope that American will stop once the lecturer is out to make their little pussies and idiots about a few square miles on western Russia and by recognizing Crimea and dombass as part of Russia will permit Russians to compromise equally or at leat faint to get the elimination of Damascus as city (no more minaret, flatten this shit altogether)!

Thanks for reading and your reply, I much appreciate it. It's always informative, refreshing and honest!

The thing is...

1. The Syrian government is legitimate in much the same way as (or even more than) the American government. Assad is a secular tolerant leader of his country who was elected to the post. Under his rule, until ISIS got imported, people of various religions lived in peace, the country enjoyed a high level of education and medical care.

2. Punish Assad for what exactly? How does he profit - by risking his life and sticking it out with his country, defending it from an invasion, and not running off, like some of the Western politicians would have done at the first tight of danger? Why should the Syrian Army surrender their weapons? To whom? The ISIS? To the Americans? Should have Russia, using your logic, also just surrendered to the Germans in 1941?

Should we not make the same demand of the Obama's money-profiteering, warmongering regime that his belligerents, who are now roaming Europe, dotting it with military bases, surrender or Washington gets erased from the face of the Earth?

PS: and I am highlighting my initial reply for the benefit of people like BobLawblaw

You can deny as much as you want: here is the truth:

Quote
The protests started on 15 March 2011, when protesters marched in the capital of Damascus, demanding democratic reforms and the release of political prisoners. The security forces retaliated by opening fire on the protesters,[139] and according to witnesses who spoke to the BBC, the government forces detained six of them.[140] The protest was triggered by the arrest of a boy and his friends by the government for writing a graffiti called "The people want the fall of the regime", in the city of Daraa.

1. You are dishonnest and inhuman in your support for what Assad did. You don't want to acknowledge what he did at the beginning of the revolution. You don't want to speak about the Sunni children tagging walls with slogan who ended up in torture cells. You don't want to see Assad for what he really is. This is so sad.

For this reason alone Russia exposes itself to unbearable suffering in the coming years and decades. I am so sorry for your blindness. May God open your heart to what Liberty means... As a free human being you can't accept Assad.

2. You love leader for life it is your choice. We are on a different state of social evolution... You are backward. Look at China... Leaders transition smoothly. Putinstan.

No, you can't understand my logic. Syrian army in a occupation army. The violent rule of a minority.

May I ask you, how do you see the exist of this conflict?  

The problem is between the people who share your mindset and the free world there is only on path, and it's total war. There is no way to reconciliation. It's very sad. There is a big discontent for human life in your wording and intention. Something frankly evil behind its nice intention. You believe to be superior using your science and techniques but on fundamental level you are lost. You know it that's it's wrong what Assad did.

What I am curious is how you silence your empathy? How you decide to serve those objectives of yours devoid of all kindness or care for life. Just a cog in a state apparatus. This is what really put down Soviet Union, the lack of grace. A unability to understand deeper human aspirations... I guess it's because you never played enough war games... Too poor and you owe your life to the states.

Rememeber there is an end game. It's look like ruins with all resources of life converted in armies in motion. This is no life. The state is not life. Love is.

And there is no love inside you, only a calculated little biped. Good luck I hope that God will help you.

Your side:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Lattakia_20_june_2010.jpg

My side, the people (your ennemies)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Huge_demonstration_in_Homs_against_Al_Assad_regime.jpg/1024px-Huge_demonstration_in_Homs_against_Al_Assad_regime.jpg

The solution

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/U.S._Airmen_with_the_386th_Expeditionary_Logistics_Readiness_Squadron_load_pallets_of_humanitarian_relief_supplies_onto_a_C-17_Globemaster_III_aircraft_at_an_undisclosed_location_in_Southwest_Asia_June_4%2C_2013_130604-F-KL201-115.jpg/1024px-thumbnail.jpg

More tow and real and more lethal anti aircraft weapons... Using the great process more Russians shot down more weapons... There is no other path.

and again:

You can deny as much as you want: here is the truth:

Quote
The protests started on 15 March 2011, when protesters marched in the capital of Damascus, demanding democratic reforms and the release of political prisoners. The security forces retaliated by opening fire on the protesters,[139] and according to witnesses who spoke to the BBC, the government forces detained six of them.[140] The protest was triggered by the arrest of a boy and his friends by the government for writing a graffiti called "The people want the fall of the regime", in the city of Daraa.

This Assad, those are the spiritual values GWB spoke about... This is how the jeehad began and it may take Moscow down...


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Vika NSFW on July 12, 2016, 08:31:39 PM
Since when did they sign to defend a foreign nation?
...
It's not Russia's war.

Russian Federation is fighting against ISIS.
Many members of ISIS are Russian Citizens and Ex-USSR countries citizens.
Russian Federation is affected by ISIS terroristic activity.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQGqX5Ndpm4snE0NTjyOJnA/videos


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Masha Sha on July 12, 2016, 08:37:27 PM
Since when did they sign to defend a foreign nation?
...
It's not Russia's war.

Russian Federation is fighting against ISIS.
Many members of ISIS are Russian Citizens and Ex-USSR countries citizens.
Russian Federation is affected by ISIS terroristic activity.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQGqX5Ndpm4snE0NTjyOJnA/videos

And much more are gonna die. Syrian battlefield is perfect to draw more Russians to their graves... Wait for real supply of Soil air missiles... It's the perfect way to drain Russian combat capabilities and precipit the downfall of Putin through an internal uprising arabspring like... The Russian winter, what ever you want to call it... It's so easy to do ;-).

Very cost effective and very easy to manage. Mujaheddin is serious and can aim at Russian aircraft, he got free weapons. A few conditions: carry weapon in the open, received and used the same day... Rinse and repeat and 10 guys can make Russia 2.0 disintegrate in Syrian desert...

Operation cyclone 2.0

Meet the Russian widow maker:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Mujahid-MANPAD.JPEG

There is no way to discuss with current Russian officials... And as Putin will die in power...


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Vika NSFW on July 12, 2016, 10:47:37 PM
...
Mujaheddin is serious and can aim at Russian aircraft, he got free weapons
...
Operation cyclone 2.0

Ohh LOL
Are You Here for Telling To Me, That USA are sending Weapons to ISIS?

In Syria, who have comunicated the own position is not bombed by Russian Spatial-Air Forces.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_opposition

In Syria are many Russian volonteers combatting, but this is a private decision of Russian Citizens.

http://perevodika.ru/upload/iblock/89b/Capture1.JPG


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: virtualx on July 12, 2016, 11:04:06 PM
Mujaheddin is serious and can aim at Russian aircraft, he got free weapons. A few conditions: carry weapon in the open, received and used the same day... Rinse and repeat and 10 guys can make Russia 2.0 disintegrate in Syrian desert...

Napoleon send an army of 685.000 people to the Russia
Hitler send and army of 3.800.000 people to Russia

Mujaheddin.. how many people?


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Vika NSFW on July 12, 2016, 11:32:20 PM
how many people?

I see here linking to CIA created "jihadism".
This is a serious problem, this salafi totalitarian sect members have explosed Russian jet with tourists.

http://theins.ru/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/1280x1024_f8fLhcKX8spcI6Dk1z3T.jpg

Many people in Northern Caucasus is fighting against ISIS gunmens there.


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: duts_bg on July 13, 2016, 03:58:21 PM
"Since when did they sign to defend a foreign nation?"

In 1879, thanks to Russia, which suffered over 200 000 losses, of which more than 66,000 killed in the bloody war with the Ottoman Empire, after 500 years outage is restored my country. My people today remember that. As a member of EU and NATO, my country is under tremendous pressure to be hostile to Russia, but the result is 15-20% bought, pro-Western rulers, against the 80-85% of people. During World War II, Hitler also tried to send our army against Russia, but failed. Our king paid with his life for this.  I hope that's enough on the question "Since when did they sign to defend a foreign nation?"

"It's not Russia's war."

As for "It's not Russia's war", also I do not agree. Russia cover  1/6 of the Earth's land surface. Its riches are unimaginable. Even assuming stupid argument that it is "gas station with nuclear missiles", it is completely normal to protect its wealth. History has proven that Europe is always with look  to the riches of Russia. European coalitions,  headed by Sweden, Poland, France or Germany, at various times have aspired to the riches of Russia. Accordingly, it is perfectly normal that Russia is trying to keep the fire away from its borders. If  was not exported to Syria the tension  provoked  by the US and Europe in Ukraine, God only knows what we would be witnessing today.


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Vika NSFW on July 13, 2016, 05:49:44 PM
the tension  provoked  by the US and Europe in Ukraine

Someone is dreaming to be a World helmsman.

http://cdn.ruvr.ru/2013/09/24/1193057755/15Stalin.jpg


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: hermanhs09 on July 13, 2016, 09:08:03 PM
...
Mujaheddin is serious and can aim at Russian aircraft, he got free weapons
...
Operation cyclone 2.0

Ohh LOL
Are You Here for Telling To Me, That USA are sending Weapons to ISIS?

In Syria, who have comunicated the own position is not bombed by Russian Spatial-Air Forces.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_opposition

In Syria are many Russian volonteers combatting, but this is a private decision of Russian Citizens.

http://perevodika.ru/upload/iblock/89b/Capture1.JPG
Saying that US gives weapons to ISIS is just stupid.
It is not possible actually,there is really no reason for them to do this,and im sure that even if they would have,
they wouldn't dont it because they are terrorists,and finally they will turn against USA. Am i right?


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: virtualx on July 13, 2016, 10:23:14 PM
...
Mujaheddin is serious and can aim at Russian aircraft, he got free weapons
...
Operation cyclone 2.0

Ohh LOL
Are You Here for Telling To Me, That USA are sending Weapons to ISIS?

In Syria, who have comunicated the own position is not bombed by Russian Spatial-Air Forces.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_opposition

In Syria are many Russian volonteers combatting, but this is a private decision of Russian Citizens.

http://perevodika.ru/upload/iblock/89b/Capture1.JPG
Saying that US gives weapons to ISIS is just stupid.
It is not possible actually,there is really no reason for them to do this,and im sure that even if they would have,

they wouldn't dont it because they are terrorists,and finally they will turn against USA. Am i right?

From a historic perspective it's possible, during times of Soviet Union the US gave weapons to Osama Bin Laden.
Given that Russia is still the enemy of the US, why would they change an old strategy? True, ISIS is a threat to the US but so was Osama.

I heard they fund a group called Al Nusra, not ISIS, but mass media tells a lot of lies so I can't verify nor deny such claims.

But to put things in perspective, Russia is funding Assad.

Both countries are in a proxy war.


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: tsaroz on July 14, 2016, 03:54:37 AM
ISIS is a threat to humanity. ISIS with it's strategic partners are trying to get rid of people other than their sect of Islam. They are cleansing Shia, Kurds, Christians and whoever opposes their faith. Not only russia, every country should resist this religious extremism.


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: zenitzz on July 14, 2016, 04:21:09 AM
Warning beautiful sunset over Syria...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_j3WrFx-J4

I don't see the point... Since when did they sign to defend a foreign nation? Independently of everything why the fuck Russians are dying in Syria? Widows and Russian orphan for Assad? As the saying goes who can shoot one helicopter can shoot two... Who can 2 can 3... On and on.

Syria will be the downfall of Putin... Sooner or later, Internet censorship or not, because this one will be internal... And when the Russian soldiers say no to the Kremlin it's the end. However I think that Putin is smart enough to take this defeat and move everyone home (didn't it happen already?) and let the fucking Baathists of Syria face the consequences of their actions... Alone with their Shia allies.

It's not Russia's war.
I guess we try to eradicate terrorism and not only russian that's war in syria there are still other countries such as America, etc.


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Masha Sha on July 14, 2016, 06:29:03 AM
China is a sensitive smart, ingenious and natural civilization... Who ever control China it doesn't change.

Now Russia is a different animal, first there is O wealth without human intervention. Please tell me a Russian product you bought recently? Answer nothing. Because uncivilized barabarians nations are unable to adapt and provide to the global market. Russia is just the administrative jurisdiction controlling a lot of resources used in the product. But still only earth diggers.

Now Isis... It's the boogeyman used by the Russian propaganda to make everyone forget that there are others total rightheous combat groups in Syria. People fighting to kill Assad who never touched a woman what ever her tribe and wage the true jeehad against a murderer. ( and who proves you that terror attack in the west weren't Russian operatives?)

Now Russian propaganda is specially dangerous for the Kenyan president.. In fact this guy is too stupid and weak to understand that Russia is aiming at controlling violent proxies (Assad, hezbula, Iran). America is right now controlled by a few pimps from Ukraine, pedofriendly terrorists, crony capitalists and other black mailers (to weaken USA and impose world gov).

What I am saying is that by supporting the war in Ukraine, America lose potential and resources who could be better used to fight Russia in different theaters... One thing not to forget it's not the Russian people who needs to fought but Putinstan. The Russian people are his and his friends captives...

But again as if it was made intentionally USA by supporting gmo and other suboptimal profitable strategies lose a certain moral high ground.

In conclusion by believing they have won the Cold War, America let it self slip in an unsustainable path, accumulating too much systemic risks in all aspect.

Key word vigilance and discipline

Solution: Purges

Then it comes back to fiat control and the impossibility for the market to act in a systemic way...

Technically it would be easy to put it down on a Texan rancher and 3rd worlder Kenyans... Sadly only Buffon for transnational interests (btw there is a big difference between Nation and jurisdiction, Russia or what ever is just one among many, opposition to one world gov to get diversity even if it adds a little cost to business it's worth it in financial security...).

Thanks Russia btw, now the west is rearming :)


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: virtualx on July 14, 2016, 07:43:40 AM
Now Russia is a different animal, first there is O wealth without human intervention. Please tell me a Russian product you bought recently? Answer nothing. Because uncivilized barabarians nations are unable to adapt and provide to the global market. Russia is just the administrative jurisdiction controlling a lot of resources used in the product. But still only earth diggers.
Vodka

Now Isis... It's the boogeyman used by the Russian propaganda to make everyone forget that there are others total rightheous combat groups in Syria.
Isis.. video records of ISIS members eating organs... Russian boogeyman propaganda?  ???
Why are you pro ISIS?


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Masha Sha on July 14, 2016, 08:03:22 AM
Now Russia is a different animal, first there is O wealth without human intervention. Please tell me a Russian product you bought recently? Answer nothing. Because uncivilized barabarians nations are unable to adapt and provide to the global market. Russia is just the administrative jurisdiction controlling a lot of resources used in the product. But still only earth diggers.
Vodka

Now Isis... It's the boogeyman used by the Russian propaganda to make everyone forget that there are others total rightheous combat groups in Syria.
Isis.. video records of ISIS members eating organs... Russian boogeyman propaganda?  ???
Why are you pro ISIS?


I am not pro Isis, I am against those who support Assad. For me Isis is the best allies of Assad. They are used as a justification to Assad iron rules and fight the other legitimate opposition to Assad from the Kurds to all the other groups...


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Masha Sha on July 14, 2016, 08:31:43 AM
Why are you pro ISIS?


I didn't realize immediately how vicious you are... Now disagreeing with Putin = supporting Isis. Typical... I understand why the smartest Russian left long ago and don't even plan to return...

The west is definitely better. And you can criticize Goldman has much as you want :-)


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Vika NSFW on July 14, 2016, 08:35:54 AM
Typical... I understand why the smartest Russian left long ago and don't even plan to return...

LOL

https://www.google.com/search?q=%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC+%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%89%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%B2&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=qk6HV96rCIfcgAaTyY7ACA#q=%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC+%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%89%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%B2+%D0%B2+%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8E

http://www.rususa.com/forum/message.asp-msgid-515450


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Masha Sha on July 14, 2016, 08:38:32 AM
Typical... I understand why the smartest Russian left long ago and don't even plan to return...

LOL

https://www.google.com/search?q=%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC+%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%89%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%B2&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=qk6HV96rCIfcgAaTyY7ACA#q=%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC+%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%89%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%B2+%D0%B2+%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8E

http://www.rususa.com/forum/message.asp-msgid-515450

Go to London, Miami or California or Monaco... Hehehe

Edit: may I ask, when you will have finish your propaganda in which currency are you gonna change your gains? It's the best time to extract a few BTC from Russian propaganda system before going to free country ;-). Where do you plan to live?


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Vika NSFW on July 14, 2016, 08:43:55 AM

Go to London, Miami or California or Monaco... Hehehe

What i need do to there?
Russians are living around the Globe and no one force them to "return to Russia", they goes in and out many times in Year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_busiest_airports_in_Russia


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Masha Sha on July 14, 2016, 08:52:43 AM

Go to London, Miami or California or Monaco... Hehehe

What i need do to there?
Russians are living around the Globe and no one force them to "return to Russia", they goes in and out many times in Year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_busiest_airports_in_Russia

Personally I would work for the Russian propaganda and then transition to a private job in the west... Why not propaganda for Goldman Sachs;-)

So skill in Russia, earn a little and look for opportunity in a free country ;-)

Good luck!

If they have the money Russians leave... Why stay, just the weather and as you say no risk to be alone ;-).


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Vika NSFW on July 14, 2016, 08:54:03 AM
may I ask, when you will have finish your propaganda in which currency are you gonna change your gains?

It's the best time to extract a few BTC from Russian propaganda system before going to free country ;-).

Where do you plan to live?

This is all about You.
Are You presenting here as "US Citizen" or what?
A payd jew-bandera freelance wrighter.

What do You call "a free country"?
Who You are, to explain about my future?

Explain to this Dude, what is a Free Country:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/%D0%90%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%A8%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B9.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoly_Shariy

https://www.youtube.com/user/SuperSharij


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Vika NSFW on July 14, 2016, 09:01:42 AM

Personally I would work for the Russian propaganda and then transition to a private job in the west... Why not propaganda for Goldman Sachs;-)

So skill in Russia, earn a little and look for opportunity in a free country ;-)

Good luck!

If they have the money Russians leave... Why stay, just the weather and as you say no risk to be alone ;-).

What for ugly shit is this post?
Offtopic about Your Dream Work as PR Prostitute, dreaming about "free country" and Rich Russians.
A low level shit.

Return to the topic, cheap prostitute freelance wrighter.


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Masha Sha on July 14, 2016, 09:15:04 AM
A free country for example is England... Where smooth political transition is possible... Putin is in the Assad club... Dictator for life. One day you will understand when his replacement will occurs... Better prepare it will be rocky like the last times...

I am sorry that you take it so badly, I didn't want to hurt you... And I agree that agreeing publicly with me would not be appreciated by your superiors ;-).

Courage a few more years of suffering and then the free world ;-)




Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Vika NSFW on July 14, 2016, 10:35:53 AM
1. A free country for example is England... Where smooth political transition is possible...

2. Putin is in the Assad club... Dictator for life. One day you will understand when his replacement will occurs... Better prepare it will be rocky like the last times...

3. I am sorry that you take it so badly, I didn't want to hurt you... And I agree that agreeing publicly with me would not be appreciated by your superiors ;-).

4. Courage a few more years of suffering and then the free world ;-)

1. There is no such country as "England".
About what transition are You trying to debate? http://mycatbirdseat.com/2013/06/camerons-torah-government/

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Russia

3. Meet my superiors on my Signature Link. (NSFW)

4. https://wikileaks.org/
http://listverse.com/2016/02/10/10-secret-cia-prisons-you-do-not-want-to-visit/

Eat Shit And Die, a Paid Freelance Blogger Prostitute.


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Masha Sha on July 14, 2016, 11:23:44 AM
1. A free country for example is England... Where smooth political transition is possible...

2. Putin is in the Assad club... Dictator for life. One day you will understand when his replacement will occurs... Better prepare it will be rocky like the last times...

3. I am sorry that you take it so badly, I didn't want to hurt you... And I agree that agreeing publicly with me would not be appreciated by your superiors ;-).

4. Courage a few more years of suffering and then the free world ;-)

1. There is no such country as "England".
About what transition are You trying to debate? http://mycatbirdseat.com/2013/06/camerons-torah-government/

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Russia

3. Meet my superiors on my Signature Link. (NSFW)

4. https://wikileaks.org/
http://listverse.com/2016/02/10/10-secret-cia-prisons-you-do-not-want-to-visit/

Eat Shit And Die, a Paid Freelance Blogger Prostitute.

Webcam girls... Very cool :s.

U.K. What difference does it makes... Putin will have ruled Russia under soon 3 Us president... Very democratic... I said that for the interest of Russia... What's the point of building anything in Russia when soon all will be shifted...


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Masha Sha on July 14, 2016, 11:28:11 AM
Now Russia is a different animal, first there is O wealth without human intervention. Please tell me a Russian product you bought recently? Answer nothing. Because uncivilized barabarians nations are unable to adapt and provide to the global market. Russia is just the administrative jurisdiction controlling a lot of resources used in the product. But still only earth diggers.
Vodka

Now Isis... It's the boogeyman used by the Russian propaganda to make everyone forget that there are others total rightheous combat groups in Syria.
Isis.. video records of ISIS members eating organs... Russian boogeyman propaganda?  ???
Why are you pro ISIS?


I am not pro Isis, I am against those who support Assad. For me Isis is the best allies of Assad. They are used as a justification to Assad iron rules and fight the other legitimate opposition to Assad from the Kurds to all the other groups...

No just in fact I don't support anyone. If I was Syrian I would have left long ago and opened a kebab shop in Hamburg, the best one with the best grass feeded lamb meat... A luxury kebab...

However I understand why freedom seeking Syrian are fighting and ready to face the ultimate sacrifice against a despotic regime...

I see that Russians are too oppressed to oppose Putin... And what faker that Putin approval rate... I wouldn't dare to oppose the despot in Russia...


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: virtualx on July 14, 2016, 11:38:54 AM
Why are you pro ISIS?


I didn't realize immediately how vicious you are... Now disagreeing with Putin = supporting Isis. Typical... I understand why the smartest Russian left long ago and don't even plan to return...

The west is definitely better. And you can criticize Goldman has much as you want :-)
Correction, I am not pro-Putin. I simply observe you are anti-US, anti-Russia, anti-China and now  you claimed ISIS is a boogeyman,  while it's a serious threat.  Just a misunderstanding  :)



Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Masha Sha on July 14, 2016, 11:52:03 AM
Why are you pro ISIS?


I didn't realize immediately how vicious you are... Now disagreeing with Putin = supporting Isis. Typical... I understand why the smartest Russian left long ago and don't even plan to return...

The west is definitely better. And you can criticize Goldman has much as you want :-)
Correction, I am not pro-Putin. I simply observe you are anti-US, anti-Russia, anti-China and now  you claimed ISIS is a boogeyman,  while it's a serious threat.  Just a misunderstanding  :)



Shhh don't tell it to anyone but I need to raise this account level (I have some lucrative campaign I would like to join ;-))

I am pro US constitution, however it's not much applied. Fundamentally I am pro myself... The only one I actively support ;-)

Nationalism is a little bit old... Boring and too limiting...



Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Vika NSFW on July 14, 2016, 12:20:38 PM
1. Putin will have ruled Russia under soon 3 Us president... Very democratic...

2. I said that for the interest of Russia... What's the point of building anything in Russia when soon all will be shifted...

1. Explain better, where is the problem.

2. What for "interest of Russia" are You talking?


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Masha Sha on July 14, 2016, 12:51:10 PM
1. Putin will have ruled Russia under soon 3 Us president... Very democratic...

2. I said that for the interest of Russia... What's the point of building anything in Russia when soon all will be shifted...

1. Explain better, where is the problem.

2. What for "interest of Russia" are You talking?

The problem is that Putin activities in Syria have created a bad perception toward the Russian people worldwide... Ukraine is understandable by rational beings... But Syria is totally irresponsible, stupid and long term very damaging to Russia... By ruling russia like his little kingdom he deprives Russians from their true potential and aspirations... What is the Russian dream? Becoming putinfan and making money on the back of the Russian people? Furthermore change is beneficial... It bring fresh air, assure a more resilient leadership... If you want one simple line: tonight putin fall from his golden toilet and hit mortally his head on the floor. What's next for Russia? Defcon 1 in America.

2. Too much dependency on one man is never good. What is the future of Putinstan? Continual confrontation with the West? There is no need to recourse to violence to stop gmo spread in Russia. A law and a firm no is enough.

I hope to have better answer your question... In one line Russians as pariah no good for the world. I hope the Russian people will be able to free themselves from putinstan mental and physical control. Once the shit happen you will see how fast the wealth of the Russians friends of Putin will end up at GS or what ever NATO tax funding banking system (or in BTC :-)).

The ultimate take over from the free world ;-)


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Vika NSFW on July 14, 2016, 01:22:13 PM
1. Putin will have ruled Russia under soon 3 Us president... Very democratic...

2. I said that for the interest of Russia... What's the point of building anything in Russia when soon all will be shifted...

1. Explain better, where is the problem.

2. What for "interest of Russia" are You talking?

The problem is that Putin activities in Syria have created a bad perception toward the Russian people worldwide... Ukraine is understandable by rational beings... But Syria is totally irresponsible, stupid and long term very damaging to Russia... By ruling russia like his little kingdom he deprives Russians from their true potential and aspirations... What is the Russian dream? Becoming putinfan and making money on the back of the Russian people? Furthermore change is beneficial... It bring fresh air, assure a more resilient leadership... If you want one simple line: tonight putin fall from his golden toilet and hit mortally his head on the floor. What's next for Russia? Defcon 1 in America.

2. Too much dependency on one man is never good. What is the future of Putinstan? Continual confrontation with the West? There is no need to recourse to violence to stop gmo spread in Russia. A law and a firm no is enough.

I hope to have better answer your question... In one line Russians as pariah no good for the world. I hope the Russian people will be able to free themselves from putinstan mental and physical control. Once the shit happen you will see how fast the wealth of the Russians friends of Putin will end up at GS or what ever NATO tax funding banking system (or in BTC :-)).

The ultimate take over from the free world ;-)

1. What is this shit about "Putin activities in Syria", if You talk first about "ruled Russia under soon 3 Us president... Very democratic."?
Russian Federation have long term relationship with Syria, and there is no wunder, if Russian Federation trade with Syria or fight ISIS from Syrian territory.
No "Syrian Opposition" is affected by Russian Federation actions.
So, Eat Shit and Die.

2. Russian Federation have sold all oil and gas and other resurses to private juridical persons, so, changing mr. Putin to someone other will have no effects for "Russian People".
But. mr. Putin entroduce this TAX (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3_%D0%BD%D0%B0_%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%8B%D1%87%D1%83_%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%BD%D1%8B%D1%85_%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%8B%D1%85_(%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8F))
And for that many Jews are crying until this Day, they paying to You in hope to erase this tax.
This is a real value of mr. Putin to Russian People.

What is Russia’s external debt for 2016?


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Masha Sha on July 14, 2016, 04:30:25 PM
This what I would have done at the beginning of the civilian revolution from a Russian perspective

1. Arrest Assad before he kills anyone and keep in jail (safe) in the Russian military port
2. Called and organize free and fair election crimeanlike
3. Restitue the money of the Assad clan to the Syrian people
4. Arrest the violent extremists of all sides
5. Negotiate a good rate for Syrian people from the pipelines from the golf
6. Enjoy Russia be seen as a liberator and organisor of a swift democratic transition
7. Show the world that violence isn't the only path
8. Transform the palaces of Assad in public park/ museum

You see there were others options... But thinking about them would have been contrary to Russian interests...

By fomenting and expanding this war:
1. they made the Assad clan dependent a subservient of Russia
2. They temporarily stop the pipelines projects
3. Brain drain the best of Syria
4. Reenter the Middle East
5. Kill some Russian soldiers
6. Show the world how strong and potent Russia is




Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Vika NSFW on July 14, 2016, 04:54:22 PM
This what I


How much do You earn from every Forum account, a freelance shit wrighter?


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Nemo1024 on July 14, 2016, 07:18:47 PM
China is a sensitive smart, ingenious and natural civilization... Who ever control China it doesn't change.

Now Russia is a different animal, first there is O wealth without human intervention. Please tell me a Russian product you bought recently?

Ok, definitely a troll. Time to extend my ignore list  ;D

As for the question above...

USA fly into space on Russian engines.

Personally I bought SOEKS ecological measurement equipment. And feather-light slippers :)

A lot of the Western technology that you take for granted are either Russian-designed or designed by the Russian emigree, who fled after a bloody coup d'etat in Russia of 1917... Remember AMPEX recorders? ;)



Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Nemo1024 on July 14, 2016, 07:22:59 PM
"Since when did they sign to defend a foreign nation?"

In 1879, thanks to Russia, which suffered over 200 000 losses, of which more than 66,000 killed in the bloody war with the Ottoman Empire, after 500 years outage is restored my country. My people today remember that. As a member of EU and NATO, my country is under tremendous pressure to be hostile to Russia, but the result is 15-20% bought, pro-Western rulers, against the 80-85% of people. During World War II, Hitler also tried to send our army against Russia, but failed. Our king paid with his life for this.  I hope that's enough on the question "Since when did they sign to defend a foreign nation?"

"It's not Russia's war."

As for "It's not Russia's war", also I do not agree. Russia cover  1/6 of the Earth's land surface. Its riches are unimaginable. Even assuming stupid argument that it is "gas station with nuclear missiles", it is completely normal to protect its wealth. History has proven that Europe is always with look  to the riches of Russia. European coalitions,  headed by Sweden, Poland, France or Germany, at various times have aspired to the riches of Russia. Accordingly, it is perfectly normal that Russia is trying to keep the fire away from its borders. If  was not exported to Syria the tension  provoked  by the US and Europe in Ukraine, God only knows what we would be witnessing today.


Thanks, duts_bg for reinforcing my impression that Bulgarians, the people are still remembering their history and have not succumbed to the duplicity that Bulgarians, the "elites", are trying to impose in your country.


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Vika NSFW on July 14, 2016, 07:26:25 PM
This topic is a 100% trolling for "member account farm" growing.


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: bryant.coleman on July 15, 2016, 09:00:22 AM
Please tell me a Russian product you bought recently? Answer nothing. Because uncivilized barabarians nations are unable to adapt and provide to the global market.

1. Kasper (Anti-virus)
2. Masha and Bear in DVD (Animation movie)
3. Baltika (Beer)
4. Vologda Berry (Wild Berries)
5. Osetra Black (Caviar)

I am living in a country which is not a major destination for Russian exports. And still I can name quite a few Russian brands. Where are you from? Saudi Arabia? Can you name any of your products (i.e other than crude oil and terrorism)?


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Vika NSFW on July 15, 2016, 10:36:09 AM
Baltika (Beer)


This is a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_Beverages_Holding property.


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Osetra Black (Caviar)

Can You please put here the label of this product?
If there is "Made in Russia", that is 100% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_farming


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: bryant.coleman on July 15, 2016, 01:32:08 PM
Can You please put here the label of this product?
If there is "Made in Russia", that is 100% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_farming

I purchased it almost one year back. It was insanely expensive. $200 for 4 Oz. The label was something like: Russian caviar, Augustovskaya, Astrakhan.


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Vika NSFW on July 15, 2016, 03:29:08 PM
The label was something like: Russian caviar, Augustovskaya, Astrakhan.

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Russia imposed a blanket ban on the export of black caviar in 2002, and later on commercial sturgeon fishing. Since then black caviar have been produced by state fish farms where sturgeon are reared. The only caviar available for purchase legally today is from fish raised on fish farms.

https://www.rt.com/business/333699-russia-black-caviar-export/


Title: Re: Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?
Post by: Vika NSFW on July 15, 2016, 03:54:47 PM


I heard they fund a group called Al Nusra, not ISIS, but mass media tells a lot of lies so I can't verify nor deny such claims.

Mister Researcher, for this hard situations of unknown matter of issues there are the lists of terroristic groups (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_designated_terrorist_groups).
Actually Al Nusra is the Al Qaeda in Syria.
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/afp/131108/zawahiri-disbands-main-qaeda-faction-syria-0