Why do Russians bravest have to die for Assad?

[Nemo1024]

I am strongly suspecting "Masha Sha" of trolling...

First and foremost, the Russian servicemen, who serve (and who died) in Syria are not doing it "for Assad". They are doing it against the Obama-regime-installed terrorists, who are fully-geared to move the battlefield into Russia proper. This was aptly demonstrated by the attack on Aktobe (formerly Aktubinsk) in the Northern Kazakhstan (Southern Russia before 1917) a month ago.

Let me put it this way. What would be better (a lesser evil) if 10 Russian soldiers died in Syria now or 1.000.000 Russian soldiers and civilians died in Russia in a few years' time fighting the out-of-control IS, with all the Southern Russia being in flames like Syria is now?

God bless you Nemo! Finally someone honest about the situation. I am not trolling but as soon as I hear a guy like Peter lavel or what ever is name on RT with his line: legitimate government of Syria... I don't even fulminate or feel insulted but just ask myself:is he really that arrogant.

Now what you express is a great understandable concern, who will effectively totally fall inline with the role and duty of Russians soldiers.

Sadly I see a problem in this argumentation: the belief that the Americans or the Saudis for the matter can control those groups. Simple answer they can't.

[snip]

Personally what I would like is to punish Assad and his supporters and all the civilians who profited from the Assad regime by flattening Damascus and lataque. I know it's not fair, but Tokyo wasn't fair nor dresde. Once all those are killed, everyone, give a few hours for all belligerent to surrender their weapons or face the same destiny.

To resume: more to lose in war US vs Russia than all the terrorists combine could do and Russian or American pride is unwelcome and UN or what ever is populated with the same people as Assad, Hillary and Corzine. I hope that American will stop once the lecturer is out to make their little pussies and idiots about a few square miles on western Russia and by recognizing Crimea and dombass as part of Russia will permit Russians to compromise equally or at leat faint to get the elimination of Damascus as city (no more minaret, flatten this shit altogether)!

Thanks for reading and your reply, I much appreciate it. It's always informative, refreshing and honest!

The thing is...

1. The Syrian government is legitimate in much the same way as (or even more than) the American government. Assad is a secular tolerant leader of his country who was elected to the post. Under his rule, until ISIS got imported, people of various religions lived in peace, the country enjoyed a high level of education and medical care.

2. Punish Assad for what exactly? How does he profit - by risking his life and sticking it out with his country, defending it from an invasion, and not running off, like some of the Western politicians would have done at the first tight of danger? Why should the Syrian Army surrender their weapons? To whom? The ISIS? To the Americans? Should have Russia, using your logic, also just surrendered to the Germans in 1941?

Should we not make the same demand of the Obama's money-profiteering, warmongering regime that his belligerents, who are now roaming Europe, dotting it with military bases, surrender or Washington gets erased from the face of the Earth?

PS: and I am highlighting my initial reply for the benefit of people like BobLawblaw

[hermanhs09]

Warning beautiful sunset over Syria...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_j3WrFx-J4

I don't see the point... Since when did they sign to defend a foreign nation? Independently of everything why the fuck Russians are dying in Syria? Widows and Russian orphan for Assad? As the saying goes who can shoot one helicopter can shoot two... Who can 2 can 3... On and on.

Syria will be the downfall of Putin... Sooner or later, Internet censorship or not, because this one will be internal... And when the Russian soldiers say no to the Kremlin it's the end. However I think that Putin is smart enough to take this defeat and move everyone home (didn't it happen already?) and let the fucking Baathists of Syria face the consequences of their actions... Alone with their Shia allies.

It's not Russia's war.

It is not Russia war?
i would say it is some kind of world war.
Everybody should unite,to erase every extremist,because they are threat to people,not even to people that live in other country,but also
for the citizen's of the country these terrorist lives too.
Im against Assad,Al-Qaeda,and my opinion is that U.S forces does not do anything about it,because we dont see any american soldiers dying in this war.
But as we can see,russian's die,so it probably means they really try to fight with the.

[Masha Sha]

I am strongly suspecting "Masha Sha" of trolling...

First and foremost, the Russian servicemen, who serve (and who died) in Syria are not doing it "for Assad". They are doing it against the Obama-regime-installed terrorists, who are fully-geared to move the battlefield into Russia proper. This was aptly demonstrated by the attack on Aktobe (formerly Aktubinsk) in the Northern Kazakhstan (Southern Russia before 1917) a month ago.

Let me put it this way. What would be better (a lesser evil) if 10 Russian soldiers died in Syria now or 1.000.000 Russian soldiers and civilians died in Russia in a few years' time fighting the out-of-control IS, with all the Southern Russia being in flames like Syria is now?

God bless you Nemo! Finally someone honest about the situation. I am not trolling but as soon as I hear a guy like Peter lavel or what ever is name on RT with his line: legitimate government of Syria... I don't even fulminate or feel insulted but just ask myself:is he really that arrogant.

Now what you express is a great understandable concern, who will effectively totally fall inline with the role and duty of Russians soldiers.

Sadly I see a problem in this argumentation: the belief that the Americans or the Saudis for the matter can control those groups. Simple answer they can't.

[snip]

Personally what I would like is to punish Assad and his supporters and all the civilians who profited from the Assad regime by flattening Damascus and lataque. I know it's not fair, but Tokyo wasn't fair nor dresde. Once all those are killed, everyone, give a few hours for all belligerent to surrender their weapons or face the same destiny.

To resume: more to lose in war US vs Russia than all the terrorists combine could do and Russian or American pride is unwelcome and UN or what ever is populated with the same people as Assad, Hillary and Corzine. I hope that American will stop once the lecturer is out to make their little pussies and idiots about a few square miles on western Russia and by recognizing Crimea and dombass as part of Russia will permit Russians to compromise equally or at leat faint to get the elimination of Damascus as city (no more minaret, flatten this shit altogether)!

Thanks for reading and your reply, I much appreciate it. It's always informative, refreshing and honest!

The thing is...

1. The Syrian government is legitimate in much the same way as (or even more than) the American government. Assad is a secular tolerant leader of his country who was elected to the post. Under his rule, until ISIS got imported, people of various religions lived in peace, the country enjoyed a high level of education and medical care.

2. Punish Assad for what exactly? How does he profit - by risking his life and sticking it out with his country, defending it from an invasion, and not running off, like some of the Western politicians would have done at the first tight of danger? Why should the Syrian Army surrender their weapons? To whom? The ISIS? To the Americans? Should have Russia, using your logic, also just surrendered to the Germans in 1941?

Should we not make the same demand of the Obama's money-profiteering, warmongering regime that his belligerents, who are now roaming Europe, dotting it with military bases, surrender or Washington gets erased from the face of the Earth?

PS: and I am highlighting my initial reply for the benefit of people like BobLawblaw

You can deny as much as you want: here is the truth:

The protests started on 15 March 2011, when protesters marched in the capital of Damascus, demanding democratic reforms and the release of political prisoners. The security forces retaliated by opening fire on the protesters,[139] and according to witnesses who spoke to the BBC, the government forces detained six of them.[140] The protest was triggered by the arrest of a boy and his friends by the government for writing a graffiti called "The people want the fall of the regime", in the city of Daraa.

1. You are dishonnest and inhuman in your support for what Assad did. You don't want to acknowledge what he did at the beginning of the revolution. You don't want to speak about the Sunni children tagging walls with slogan who ended up in torture cells. You don't want to see Assad for what he really is. This is so sad.

For this reason alone Russia exposes itself to unbearable suffering in the coming years and decades. I am so sorry for your blindness. May God open your heart to what Liberty means... As a free human being you can't accept Assad.

2. You love leader for life it is your choice. We are on a different state of social evolution... You are backward. Look at China... Leaders transition smoothly. Putinstan.

No, you can't understand my logic. Syrian army in a occupation army. The violent rule of a minority.

May I ask you, how do you see the exist of this conflict?  

The problem is between the people who share your mindset and the free world there is only on path, and it's total war. There is no way to reconciliation. It's very sad. There is a big discontent for human life in your wording and intention. Something frankly evil behind its nice intention. You believe to be superior using your science and techniques but on fundamental level you are lost. You know it that's it's wrong what Assad did.

What I am curious is how you silence your empathy? How you decide to serve those objectives of yours devoid of all kindness or care for life. Just a cog in a state apparatus. This is what really put down Soviet Union, the lack of grace. A unability to understand deeper human aspirations... I guess it's because you never played enough war games... Too poor and you owe your life to the states.

Rememeber there is an end game. It's look like ruins with all resources of life converted in armies in motion. This is no life. The state is not life. Love is.

And there is no love inside you, only a calculated little biped. Good luck I hope that God will help you.

Your side:



My side, the people (your ennemies)



The solution



More tow and real and more lethal anti aircraft weapons... Using the great process more Russians shot down more weapons... There is no other path.

and again:

You can deny as much as you want: here is the truth:

The protests started on 15 March 2011, when protesters marched in the capital of Damascus, demanding democratic reforms and the release of political prisoners. The security forces retaliated by opening fire on the protesters,[139] and according to witnesses who spoke to the BBC, the government forces detained six of them.[140] The protest was triggered by the arrest of a boy and his friends by the government for writing a graffiti called "The people want the fall of the regime", in the city of Daraa.

This Assad, those are the spiritual values GWB spoke about... This is how the jeehad began and it may take Moscow down...

[Vika NSFW]

Since when did they sign to defend a foreign nation?
...
It's not Russia's war.

Russian Federation is fighting against ISIS.
Many members of ISIS are Russian Citizens and Ex-USSR countries citizens.
Russian Federation is affected by ISIS terroristic activity.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQGqX5Ndpm4snE0NTjyOJnA/videos

[Masha Sha]

Since when did they sign to defend a foreign nation?
...
It's not Russia's war.

Russian Federation is fighting against ISIS.
Many members of ISIS are Russian Citizens and Ex-USSR countries citizens.
Russian Federation is affected by ISIS terroristic activity.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQGqX5Ndpm4snE0NTjyOJnA/videos

And much more are gonna die. Syrian battlefield is perfect to draw more Russians to their graves... Wait for real supply of Soil air missiles... It's the perfect way to drain Russian combat capabilities and precipit the downfall of Putin through an internal uprising arabspring like... The Russian winter, what ever you want to call it... It's so easy to do ;-).

Very cost effective and very easy to manage. Mujaheddin is serious and can aim at Russian aircraft, he got free weapons. A few conditions: carry weapon in the open, received and used the same day... Rinse and repeat and 10 guys can make Russia 2.0 disintegrate in Syrian desert...

Operation cyclone 2.0

Meet the Russian widow maker:



There is no way to discuss with current Russian officials... And as Putin will die in power...

[Vika NSFW]

...
Mujaheddin is serious and can aim at Russian aircraft, he got free weapons
...
Operation cyclone 2.0

Ohh LOL
Are You Here for Telling To Me, That USA are sending Weapons to ISIS?

In Syria, who have comunicated the own position is not bombed by Russian Spatial-Air Forces.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_opposition

In Syria are many Russian volonteers combatting, but this is a private decision of Russian Citizens.

[virtualx]

Mujaheddin is serious and can aim at Russian aircraft, he got free weapons. A few conditions: carry weapon in the open, received and used the same day... Rinse and repeat and 10 guys can make Russia 2.0 disintegrate in Syrian desert...

Napoleon send an army of 685.000 people to the Russia
Hitler send and army of 3.800.000 people to Russia

Mujaheddin.. how many people?

[Vika NSFW]

how many people?

I see here linking to CIA created "jihadism".
This is a serious problem, this salafi totalitarian sect members have explosed Russian jet with tourists.



Many people in Northern Caucasus is fighting against ISIS gunmens there.

[duts_bg]

"Since when did they sign to defend a foreign nation?"

In 1879, thanks to Russia, which suffered over 200 000 losses, of which more than 66,000 killed in the bloody war with the Ottoman Empire, after 500 years outage is restored my country. My people today remember that. As a member of EU and NATO, my country is under tremendous pressure to be hostile to Russia, but the result is 15-20% bought, pro-Western rulers, against the 80-85% of people. During World War II, Hitler also tried to send our army against Russia, but failed. Our king paid with his life for this.  I hope that's enough on the question "Since when did they sign to defend a foreign nation?"

"It's not Russia's war."

As for "It's not Russia's war", also I do not agree. Russia cover  1/6 of the Earth's land surface. Its riches are unimaginable. Even assuming stupid argument that it is "gas station with nuclear missiles", it is completely normal to protect its wealth. History has proven that Europe is always with look  to the riches of Russia. European coalitions,  headed by Sweden, Poland, France or Germany, at various times have aspired to the riches of Russia. Accordingly, it is perfectly normal that Russia is trying to keep the fire away from its borders. If  was not exported to Syria the tension  provoked  by the US and Europe in Ukraine, God only knows what we would be witnessing today.

[Vika NSFW]

the tension  provoked  by the US and Europe in Ukraine

Someone is dreaming to be a World helmsman.

[hermanhs09]

...
Mujaheddin is serious and can aim at Russian aircraft, he got free weapons
...
Operation cyclone 2.0

Ohh LOL
Are You Here for Telling To Me, That USA are sending Weapons to ISIS?

In Syria, who have comunicated the own position is not bombed by Russian Spatial-Air Forces.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_opposition

In Syria are many Russian volonteers combatting, but this is a private decision of Russian Citizens.

Saying that US gives weapons to ISIS is just stupid.
It is not possible actually,there is really no reason for them to do this,and im sure that even if they would have,
they wouldn't dont it because they are terrorists,and finally they will turn against USA. Am i right?

[virtualx]

...
Mujaheddin is serious and can aim at Russian aircraft, he got free weapons
...
Operation cyclone 2.0

Ohh LOL
Are You Here for Telling To Me, That USA are sending Weapons to ISIS?

In Syria, who have comunicated the own position is not bombed by Russian Spatial-Air Forces.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_opposition

In Syria are many Russian volonteers combatting, but this is a private decision of Russian Citizens.

Saying that US gives weapons to ISIS is just stupid.
It is not possible actually,there is really no reason for them to do this,and im sure that even if they would have,
they wouldn't dont it because they are terrorists,and finally they will turn against USA. Am i right?

From a historic perspective it's possible, during times of Soviet Union the US gave weapons to Osama Bin Laden.
Given that Russia is still the enemy of the US, why would they change an old strategy? True, ISIS is a threat to the US but so was Osama.

I heard they fund a group called Al Nusra, not ISIS, but mass media tells a lot of lies so I can't verify nor deny such claims.

But to put things in perspective, Russia is funding Assad.

Both countries are in a proxy war.

[tsaroz]

ISIS is a threat to humanity. ISIS with it's strategic partners are trying to get rid of people other than their sect of Islam. They are cleansing Shia, Kurds, Christians and whoever opposes their faith. Not only russia, every country should resist this religious extremism.

[zenitzz]

Warning beautiful sunset over Syria...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_j3WrFx-J4

I don't see the point... Since when did they sign to defend a foreign nation? Independently of everything why the fuck Russians are dying in Syria? Widows and Russian orphan for Assad? As the saying goes who can shoot one helicopter can shoot two... Who can 2 can 3... On and on.

Syria will be the downfall of Putin... Sooner or later, Internet censorship or not, because this one will be internal... And when the Russian soldiers say no to the Kremlin it's the end. However I think that Putin is smart enough to take this defeat and move everyone home (didn't it happen already?) and let the fucking Baathists of Syria face the consequences of their actions... Alone with their Shia allies.

It's not Russia's war.

I guess we try to eradicate terrorism and not only russian that's war in syria there are still other countries such as America, etc.

[Masha Sha]

China is a sensitive smart, ingenious and natural civilization... Who ever control China it doesn't change.

Now Russia is a different animal, first there is O wealth without human intervention. Please tell me a Russian product you bought recently? Answer nothing. Because uncivilized barabarians nations are unable to adapt and provide to the global market. Russia is just the administrative jurisdiction controlling a lot of resources used in the product. But still only earth diggers.

Now Isis... It's the boogeyman used by the Russian propaganda to make everyone forget that there are others total rightheous combat groups in Syria. People fighting to kill Assad who never touched a woman what ever her tribe and wage the true jeehad against a murderer. ( and who proves you that terror attack in the west weren't Russian operatives?)

Now Russian propaganda is specially dangerous for the Kenyan president.. In fact this guy is too stupid and weak to understand that Russia is aiming at controlling violent proxies (Assad, hezbula, Iran). America is right now controlled by a few pimps from Ukraine, pedofriendly terrorists, crony capitalists and other black mailers (to weaken USA and impose world gov).

What I am saying is that by supporting the war in Ukraine, America lose potential and resources who could be better used to fight Russia in different theaters... One thing not to forget it's not the Russian people who needs to fought but Putinstan. The Russian people are his and his friends captives...

But again as if it was made intentionally USA by supporting gmo and other suboptimal profitable strategies lose a certain moral high ground.

In conclusion by believing they have won the Cold War, America let it self slip in an unsustainable path, accumulating too much systemic risks in all aspect.

Key word vigilance and discipline

Solution: Purges

Then it comes back to fiat control and the impossibility for the market to act in a systemic way...

Technically it would be easy to put it down on a Texan rancher and 3rd worlder Kenyans... Sadly only Buffon for transnational interests (btw there is a big difference between Nation and jurisdiction, Russia or what ever is just one among many, opposition to one world gov to get diversity even if it adds a little cost to business it's worth it in financial security...).

Thanks Russia btw, now the west is rearming

[virtualx]

Now Russia is a different animal, first there is O wealth without human intervention. Please tell me a Russian product you bought recently? Answer nothing. Because uncivilized barabarians nations are unable to adapt and provide to the global market. Russia is just the administrative jurisdiction controlling a lot of resources used in the product. But still only earth diggers.

Vodka

Now Isis... It's the boogeyman used by the Russian propaganda to make everyone forget that there are others total rightheous combat groups in Syria.

Isis.. video records of ISIS members eating organs... Russian boogeyman propaganda? 
Why are you pro ISIS?

[Masha Sha]

Now Russia is a different animal, first there is O wealth without human intervention. Please tell me a Russian product you bought recently? Answer nothing. Because uncivilized barabarians nations are unable to adapt and provide to the global market. Russia is just the administrative jurisdiction controlling a lot of resources used in the product. But still only earth diggers.

Vodka

Now Isis... It's the boogeyman used by the Russian propaganda to make everyone forget that there are others total rightheous combat groups in Syria.

Isis.. video records of ISIS members eating organs... Russian boogeyman propaganda? 
Why are you pro ISIS?

I am not pro Isis, I am against those who support Assad. For me Isis is the best allies of Assad. They are used as a justification to Assad iron rules and fight the other legitimate opposition to Assad from the Kurds to all the other groups...

[Masha Sha]

Why are you pro ISIS?

I didn't realize immediately how vicious you are... Now disagreeing with Putin = supporting Isis. Typical... I understand why the smartest Russian left long ago and don't even plan to return...

The west is definitely better. And you can criticize Goldman has much as you want :-)

[Vika NSFW]

Typical... I understand why the smartest Russian left long ago and don't even plan to return...

LOL

https://www.google.com/search?q=%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC+%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%89%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%B2&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=qk6HV96rCIfcgAaTyY7ACA#q=%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC+%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%89%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%B2+%D0%B2+%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8E

http://www.rususa.com/forum/message.asp-msgid-515450

[Masha Sha]

Typical... I understand why the smartest Russian left long ago and don't even plan to return...

LOL

https://www.google.com/search?q=%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC+%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%89%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%B2&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=qk6HV96rCIfcgAaTyY7ACA#q=%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BC+%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%89%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%B2+%D0%B2+%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%8E

http://www.rususa.com/forum/message.asp-msgid-515450

Go to London, Miami or California or Monaco... Hehehe

Edit: may I ask, when you will have finish your propaganda in which currency are you gonna change your gains? It's the best time to extract a few BTC from Russian propaganda system before going to free country ;-). Where do you plan to live?