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Could this be an indication that Sonny and Josh are preparing to ship themselves out of town?
Or, is it just another coincidence in an area that is full of coincidences?

https://blockchain.info/tx/eb1a3f97ac4579eb4edec99315fb44c9219bdbf7bc180abc5e09590ec93a2b71

+ The silence of the late ... while production should have started.

Huh?  How is this particular transaction linked to Sonny + Josh?

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Huh?  How is this particular transaction linked to Sonny + Josh?
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I thought it was another funny coincidence that St Louis MO was the city on the 20,000 BTC move.   There seem to be a LOT of funny coincidences in MO with these two.   Get my sarcasm now?

Huh?  How is this particular transaction linked to Sonny + Josh?


I thought it was another funny coincidence that St Louis MO was the city on the 20,000 BTC move.   There seem to be a LOT of funny coincidences in MO with these two.   Get my sarcasm now?
[/quote]Considering the seriousness of your accusation I'd think you'd back it with something or specifically say you're goofing. The IP address of an Internet reseller in a metro area of over 2 million people does not constitute evidence, just FUD.

TCP RST;

Really?   You think it is serious to point out a lot of COINCIDENCES that happen around this company?   I think it is useful.   Re-butt them.   Why does BFL's CEO have the same name and is from this same HUGE city as a convicted fraudster?   Why does BFL's mouthpiece have the same name and is from the same HUGE city as someone who has a judgement against him for stealing from DirectTV?   Why do all these strange things happen in this city of 2 million?   And, there is a 20,000 BTC transfer two days ago IN THE SAME CITY.

I am listing all the coincidences (as you call them),

Do some math for me because I do not know.   How many people in this world have more than 20,000 BTC?  There are 6B people in this world, so a city of 2MM is not that many (1/3300).   are there more than 3,500 people that have more than 20,000 BTC?   Hmmmm.    Because if there are, you may correct that it matters that "St. Louis is a large city".   But if having the transaction so the location as St Louis ACTUALLY means (it may not) that the person doing the transfer was in St Louis, you are WRONG.   Statistically, this would be a SIGNIFICANT event because not that many people have more than 20,000 BTC (there can only be MAX 500 people in the WORLD who do and we all know it is far less than that because of the concentration of BTC in some large accounts.    So, YES, it is an interesting coincidence, especially when combined with all the other coincidences that St. Louis is an epicenter for BTC "coincidences" in this world.
Did Josh used to run a little ISP company?   Where?   What was its name?

Another interesting coincidence is that after days of silence, josh all of a sudden says the testing is going well ON THE VERY DAY THAT AVALON RAISES price.   What does that do?   Makes it all the more profitable to sell another round to the desperate that are seeking a cheaper way to get rich.

Let's just assume (which is against my better judgement) that you are correct.

SO WHAT?? They moved 20,000 BTC - What does that mean?

The IP that shows up on blockchain.info is just the IP that relayed that transaction to blockchain.info's node, and may or may not be the owner of the transaction. 

This IP has forwarded many transactions, it is probably just someone running a node.  https://blockchain.info/ip-address/173.208.219.162 (https://blockchain.info/ip-address/173.208.219.162)

First you have to ask yourself why they would need to move that many BTC.

Bribes to Berlusconi. /thread

To know what is really going on, you would have to ask Sonny or Josh, not "yourself"
Speculating just wastes time and causes fun conversations like this.

well when the scam becomes obvious and millions are tuckked away safelly

then silence can comence

I can answer this one at least definitively. This is due to the fact that Sonny Vleisides, an officer at BFL, is in fact the very same convicted thief and has admitted as much publicly...just search. Course BFL in typical BFL fashion did not voluntarily admit this until confronted. Occasionally one BFL mouthpiece or another denies that Sonny is currently their CEO and I believe they claim Nasser is now, but I don't follow this ridiculous drama as closely as I did when I was actually considering an order with them.

There are liars and convicted thieves in positions of authority at butterfly labs. Caveat emptor.

You seem to have posted a strong criticism for "not follow[ing] this ridiculous drama".

"as closely as I did". That came out a few months ago.

Except that Creative-I-Don't-Need-Evidence-To-Form-An-Opinion-X posts many, many times in every possible BFL thread in existence, so if he was following it closer in the past, that is truly frightening, given that he lives and breathes BFL in the present.

LOL

Like inblahblah here, I'm a miner. I run a mining company, it's kind of necessary to keep up on developments at hardware vendors...or in this case FORMER hardware vendors. BFL USED to be a company that sold mining gear, albeit in a shady and scammy fashion. When BFL shut down their FPGA sales and switched to their current ad based ASIC pre-order ponzi scam model, I at first did lots of research to determine if I should invest. I've since decided that they're either scammers or grossly incompetent(or both) and shouldn't be trusted with a plug nickel, at least until they prove capable of manufacturing anything other than moar excuses.

Pretty sure if you check my posts Mr. BFL COO or CEO or whatever your current title is at Big Fn Lie Inc. then you'll find I've mostly moved on to posting in threads about your competitor's products. You know the Chinese guys that started their ASIC project months after you "professionals" and are actually shipping finished products. Them guys.

This drama has been unfolding for months bud, none of this is new. Really, just do a search, you can read all about it at your leisure and make your own call. I've made mine.

Do you mean the same Chinese guys that BFL_Josh made fun of every chance he got, calling them idiots and amateurs, while laughing at people and calling them "fucking morons" for the large btc bets that they wouldn't ship March 1?

The very same wise sir owl.

...though we could also discuss the other China based ASIC company whose thread BFL_Josh/inblahblah also trolled which has also successfully produced working ASIC chips in a shorter time frame than the self proclaimed experts at BFL. However as they're currently mining with those chips rather than shipping them to end users(for now) let's leave them out of it shall we?

The important thing to be aware of if you're considering an ill advised investment in BFL's 5+ month late vaporware products(originally due 10/2012) is that both their competitors are rapidly driving up the network hashrate with their working ASIC chips and with it difficulty as they deploy more hardware while BFL's past victims investors helplessly watch their ROI lengthen.

The shovels-future market does look a bit bleak these days.

I'd be an ecstatic shovel buyer, had I the good sense to ignore both US vaporware shovel vendors and invest in the allegedly amateurish Chinese shovel vendors last fall. Those shovel buyers are now buying moar shovels off the profits gained from their first shovels.

I am curious Josh, you took time to come here and read this post and yet added nothing to it.   are you the josh zerlan that got a judgement against him for STEALING from directTV?    Also, while you took time here to post, did you take time to write a detailed update to all the people whose money you have taken and barely even given them the time of day?

Precisely my point. We all know your opinion, so why continue trolling threads about it?

Perhaps you missed the part where you quoted a question someone asked, that I answered. Here I'll highlight it for you since you seem to be having difficulty following along. This all transpired prior to you involving yourself in the conversation BTW, so perhaps you're the troll here?

Who is "We all" in this context btw? Which group of people do you represent that know my opinions so well?

Just because someone says something that goes against your current beliefs/feelings doesnt mean theyre trolling. he is stating facts, not trolling.

I don't believe I stated an opinion one way or the other, but the rabid sentiment against is getting old fast. Was simply pointing out the dichotomy between his word and action.

There ya go buddy, FTFY.

My account wasn't created two weeks ago like yours was. This stuff is common knowledge to those of us that make it their business to keep up on the goings on of mining hardware vendors. I also keep an eye on ASICMiner and Avalon threads, and while there was something to monitor I also watched BTCFPGA threads. So what? This *IS* a BTC forum after all, and this *IS* the mining speculation sub-forum.

Clearly, my bitcointalk.org account age dictates my depth of knowledge. You sir, win the internet. Congratulations.

Thanks. Please in the future always capitalize when referring to my Internet.

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