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Most of the universe may be trapped inside of ancient black holes
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/most-universe-may-trapped-inside-153458751.html
#Black holes Matter

Another one of those weird theories that can never be proved.

Well, if Satoshi would come back and put his huge fortune to good use, we might get some answers.  :P

Yes, but if he did, even Bitcoin would become a black hole.    8)

Too true, is there a bright side?

Interesting.. got part way through it and it sounds like reasonable science to me.
Not crazy conspiracy talk..

I want to point out how i was the only guy who posted on the immensely popular news story
about Mike Brown and his buddy finding Planet X.
It relates in two ways.. first it responds to that guys comment earlier that it can not be "proved"
AKA: "proven" i think he meant LOL

Well.. most space science is based on assumptions (deductions)
We deduce things like a Sherklock Holmes mystery.
Most of everything is based on 1 concept.. the standard candle theory.
Which is a formula for guessing (distance in space based on *perceived* light)
AKA: guessing.

And EVERYTHING is based on the distance of objects
that is the root core foundation of every discovery we have after that.
It's the floor science stands on.. level one !

So we are suppose to have a Balck-Hole in the center of our Galaxy they say.
This is based on measurements of the inner solar system taken for over a decade.
We derived at the conclusion because we basically took snap shots.. like a jpeg image over & over for 10 years.
Then compiled them to see a slide show / movie.. which showed us all something
was wildly swinging planets around in a tight circle at the Galaxy center.
Our ASSUMPTION is.. that it HAS to be a Black-Hole and NOTHING ELSE !
But we did not go and see it and prove it.. we guessed !

And it was the same elementary logic at work that was used to "deduce" the Discovery of Planet X
Yet for some odd reason i was the only one out of a million scientists etc who commented on the Planet X News Story via Disqus that all Mike Brown and his colleague did was use the same formula used to find the Milky Way Black Hole.
Yet no one laughed and mocked the women who led the team in the Black Hole discovery but they laughed and insulted M. brown.
So i laughed at the entire worlds scientific community acting like stupid mouthy cunts
and said uhh duhhh smart fuckers. ROFL
You believe the one story and laugh and post tinfoil hat meme's on the other
When BOTH used the same testing methodology !

So if you believe in the one then you MUST give serious consideration to the other News Story Theory on Planet X... it's only logical and rational.. and of course SCIENTIFIC !

In case you all got lost why i just posted that..
I am HIGHLIGHTING testing methodology.
That is what all this space science stuff boils down to.
THAT is what you have to look at closely..

Do i think there is a Black Hole in the center of our Galaxy ? 99% YES !
But i will leave room for a new discovery.. if new info comes to light we could still be proven wrong.
Hopefully you see the angle i am going after here.. degree's of certainty ;)
You have to tread lightly with Space discovery..
We have been proven wrong when we come up with more data in the past lots.
So it's foolish to ALWAYS assume we have all the data inputs to derive a concrete FINAL conclusion on things.
Don't forget it was only about 30 years back i think Black Holes were a joke in Science
they were the subject matter that people snickered and laughed about as TV style sci-fi crap.

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EDIT:

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/01/feature-astronomers-say-neptune-sized-planet-lurks-unseen-solar-system

THAT is the link i was talking about with 494 comments where most of them scoffed at the idea.

jokes going to be on them if they laughed at it. there is almost certainly a planet out there from what iv read about it anyway. IMO people are skeptical because people keep calling it planet X and people relate "planet x" to doomsday prophecy's. call it planet 9 or something lol.

Ya i agree good point about the stigma with anything planet X related.

In case people did not know or look at the link i gave..
To sum it up there is some objects far out that move around the solar system.
That have been gravitational pulled together in tandem.
Which as scientists said there is little to speculate on what caused it.. other than a planet sized object.

Myself i have no alternative theory to explain this odd sighting.
Something is out there and it has to have the mass of a planet.
And something the size of Neptune is pretty damn big too !

Check this picture out for a comparison.
http://theplanets.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/neptune-size.jpg

And sorry i am not trying to go off-topic on you OP.
You posted some interesting news i forgot to finish reading..
I was trying to highlight the methodology earlier.

True. Think of what it would be like if we lived on a flat earth in a black hole.     ;D

 :D :D i think black hole just a imagination

Well, you are half right.

Something has been observed through telescopes of various kinds. Part of the thing that they observe is the absence of light and other radiation at certain points in the skies. This means that there is something that is there that astronomers and cosmologists are trying to explain. This is the half that is not imagination.

The imagination part is the Black Hole Theory.

There are 3 major Big Bang Theories that don't fit together. There are 4 major Black Hole Theories that are all different. None of the Black Holes produced by the major Black Hole Theories could exist in any of the universes produced by the major Big Bang Theories.

The reality is that something exists out there that we have named "Black Holes." We have used our imagination to try to guess what they are.

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I've ever heard an expert of astronomy (on geography channel if I'm not mistaken) said that universe is full of dark matter, but they can't prove it.

Are you talking about Nibiru, the sun's twin star?

Planet X exist, we agree with that. Most stars are binary in nature, usually we have two stars revolving round each other, that's the universe for you.

no that is definitively not what we are talking about. nibiru is not real. there is no twin of the sun. we are talking about this https://www.caltech.edu/news/caltech-researchers-find-evidence-real-ninth-planet-49523

I heard there was some proofs for the existence of dark matter in the universe. But still lack of evidence for "full of" dark matter.

They say the Sun could still have a twin.. just smaller etc.
But that they need to scan the outer reaches of the solar system more..
This does leave for it to be related to the 9th planet "discovery"

I think the Nibiru believers are about as scientific as Scientologists.
Get to an eMeter and get your Thetan count checked ASAP people !

Some speculated long ago Sirius the North Star was our binary
and they tried to explain it by saying our procession was proof.
I dunno bout that but it's an interesting idea.

Because that guy is right Stars are often binary pairs.

Anyway on topic.. i found the story interesting and i read many peoples comments on it too.
I was surprised to see people had many of the same ideas i had to explain dark matter / energy.
Sadly i have a child's math level so i can barley follow the stuff LOL

But this news story is saying pretty much what i have been thinking and mentioned before online.
I actually had a chat about this issue with some of the scientists who are friends with the ones on TV
..over on IMDB forums.
I said i've seen millions of science shows and when it comes to Black Holes they just repeat the same cliche'd stuff.
I said but uhhh where the hell did the Black Holes come from that are in the center of Galaxies then ?
I pointed out how all the shows were avoiding that issue.
Later they aired the next show and it was about what i said LOL
FINALLY they went into the science behind it.

I said if a planet has to collapse to create a black hole then holy cow how big were those planets that made the inner galaxy super massive black holes ?
We "believe" there is an upper limit of how big a Star can theoretically get
And these super massive black holes would far exceed any we know as possible.
Of course everyone has considered that they were Black-Hole mergers that made them larger
But i don't think that add's up !

I also don't think the math was done right and i posted an explanation about this before here.
For Dark Energy where i said Dark Matter was probably a by product relation to Black Holes.

So it's nice to see the Pro's out there are actually on the same page as me with this.
I agree with the guy in the Story.. they discounted the MACHO's too soon.
I have always been skeptical of WIMP's

I also don't think a Graviton will ever be found and hence making it NOT a fundamental force.
Like we always believe it was for ages.

The story mentioned the discovery of Gravity waves too !
The knowledge is fluid and we need to be open minded and re-check the math occasionally  :D

But hey dig into the comments on this page..
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/most-universe-may-trapped-inside-153458751.html

Stars really are alive. The Bible says that they are the angels.    8)

What part of the bible says that?

Revelation 1:20, Jesus speaking to John:
Check out Revelation 12:4a where it talks about the tail of the dragon (Satan) sweeping a third of the stars out of the sky. Church scholars interpret this to mean that Satan gained his fallen-angel, demon horde from here. So, the stars are angels:
You can check this for yourself at https://www.biblegateway.com/.

You might Google "angels are stars Bible."

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Are you going to tweet about this so we can start to get a movement going. All it takes is some tweets and some retweets and it could take off.

dont believe this, we dont know anything about the universe

I think that if something trapped in black hole, it should be moved somewhere and this somewhere is also a part of universe.

All the Black Hole Theories say that a BH, itself, is a single point. In math and physics, a single point is the place that comes between where the borders of things touch. In other words, points don't exist. Neither do Black Holes.

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I did "create it myself" (after finding the article) having never seen it anywhere else. I searched before starting the thread and it is not the very first time the "hashtag" was used.

Are you going to tweet about this...
I don't use Twitter, so my one or two followers won't help much.  :)

Now don't ignore the message here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1562890.msg15772831#msg15772831.

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I am not sure the title you copied from the original story is fitting though..

"Trapped In" ?

Maybe more "Affected By" ?

We do know that black holes emit something contrary to many saying nothing escapes not even light.
A tired cliche'd phrase !
Science DOES know that i think it was Neutrino's for example come out of them.
Which is why people had postulated the idea of using Black-Holes as a star ship engine.
Not only that but..
Admitting *something* comes out of them means we are not violating Einstein's golden master rule.
Which is nothing can be destroyed.. ever !
All that happens is a change of state from one to another..
At best a state change from Energy to matter or vice versa..

Which means i am driving at.. then we never calculated the effects of these black holes properly !

Bottom line is i think when it comes to anything Black Hole related we as a whole are are still in the infancy of it all.
What we always have is the prevailing majority's opinion on Scientific matters.
And in time this changes !
Often weighted and swayed by our tests.
With out the tests for the presence of our galaxies black hole or with out the LIGO gravity waves tests
we would be further behind than we are now.. it all helps build the picture.

All i know is i am far more interested in being *inclusive* with peoples ideas.
It's what science is about.. try and re-check the data and get as much info as possible to evaluate
..then re-evaluate again !

in regard to the information paradox.. even if something fell into a black hole would it not continue to exist there? im not entirely sure what constitutes information death i guess. but i would assume that even though the information is smashed into a point it still exists and is not destroyed.   

Light is supposed to bend when it is within gravitational force. So far, the only people claiming that light is seen to bend around a black hole is NASA. They claim their Nuclear Spectroscopic Telescope Array (NuSTAR) has captured this spectacular event. But if this were true, we would see BH light bending through regular telescopes way more easily than light bent by stars.

In other words, Black Holes might be there, but the whole theory about what they are is wrong. Or else the whole theory about E=MC² is wrong. But more than likely, they both are wrong.

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Yes man. I did and will continue to do so until the hashtag goes viral and then we can be credited with it.  ;D You and I. Hombre and Hombre.
https://twitter.com/Zenbtcbtc/status/760112887859937283

I just "got" the hashtag  :-[

Like the BlackLivesMatter thing i guess ?
I don't follow that type of thing so..

Kind of funny LOL

Space stuff is good though.. the more the better.
I prob got half a terabyte of downloaded Space Science shows saved on my HDD.
This type of crap is in my wheel house  8)