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I have saw a post that he said everything we see is build by someone.. So everything that exists built by someone like bitcoin and some other things. so he said god is the one created everything.. I got a logical question.. So if god exists who created him??? Guys it is not an insult.. A logical question only. Please share your ideology  :-* :-* :-* :-*

Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “People will keep on asking questions until someone will say, ‘Allaah created the universe, but who created Allaah?’ Whoever encounters anything like that, let him say, ‘Amantu Billaah (I believe in Allaah).’”

The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Shaytaan will come to one of you and say, ‘Who created the heaven? Who created the earth?’ He will say, ‘Allaah’” – then he mentioned something similar (to the previous report), and added, “And His Messengers.” [i.e., amantu Billaah wa Rusulihi = I believe in Allaah and His Messengers]

The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Shaytaan will come to one of you and say, ‘Who created such and such?’ until he says to him, ‘Who created your Lord?’ When it reaches that stage, let him seek refuge with Allaah [say A’oodhu Billaahi min ash-shaytaan ir-rajeem = I seek refuge with Allaah from the accursed Shaytaan] and stop thinking about it.”

The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Shaytaan will come to a person and say, ‘Who created such and such…’” and he narrated the whole report. (Imaam Muslim, 134).

He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “O Allaah, You are the First and there is nothing before You; O Allaah, You are the Last and there is nothing after You.” (Narrated by Muslim, 2713)

He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah existed when there was nothing apart from Him.” According to another report: “There was nothing before Him.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari; the first report 3020; the second report 6982).

So muslims are not interested in philosophical arguments on the creation of Allah, rather they see these questions as the tricks and deceptions of the shaytaan. Muslims belief that Allah created mankind and installed in their inherent nature (fitrah) his belief as is mentioned in Quran:
So set you (O Muhammad SAW) your face towards the religion of pure Islâmic Monotheism Hanifa (worship none but Allâh Alone) Allâh's Fitrah (i.e. Allâh's Islâmic Monotheism), with which He has created mankind . No change let there be in Khalqillâh (i.e. the Religion of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism), that is the straight religion, but most of men know not. [Tafsir AtTabarî, Vol 21, Page 41] (Ar-Rum 30:30)

I have saw a post that he said everything we see is build by someone.. So everything that exists built by someone like bitcoin and some other things. so he said god is the one created everything.. I got a logical question.. So if god exists who created him??? Guys it is not an insult.. A logical question only. Please share your ideology  :-* :-* :-* :-*

I have saw a post that he said everything we see is build by someone.. So everything that exists built by someone like bitcoin and some other things. so he said god is the one created everything.. I got a logical question.. So if god exists who created him??? Guys it is not an insult.. A logical question only. Please share your ideology  :-* :-* :-* :-*

Gods were created by people to explain nature... before science was invented...

Thunder & Lightning, Earthquakes, Tornadoes & Hurricanes, Floods, Drought, Volcanoes, Solar/Lunar Eclipse, Diseases & Pestilence, Locusts, etc, etc, etc...

We still refer to these today as, "acts of God" (though we know better)

God was created to "fill the gaps of knowledge"... anything unknown was the work of a god...


To me, "God" == "Fuck if I know"

"God did it" = "Fuck if I know who did it"

And then, after science was invented, God was explained by that science to be the One Who created the universe.

You keep ignoring the scientific proof that a universe like ours that has cause and effect, has the complexity that ours has which is breaking down because of entropy, must have had a Creator. If it didn't, these there things could not exist like our universe does. Science proves it.

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I have saw a post that he said everything we see is build by someone.. So everything that exists built by someone like bitcoin and some other things. so he said god is the one created everything.. I got a logical question.. So if god exists who created him??? Guys it is not an insult.. A logical question only. Please share your ideology  :-* :-* :-* :-*

But who created the creater ??? ???

God created himself.  is that hard to believe? Maybe not.
Some god to drink some drug juices extracted from mexican cactus to become god, Nubians themselves says and according to history perform some sun dance to transcend and become God.

Man secretly aspire to be all-powerful.
'God' is a constant created by man to balance the equation of his existence. Man behaves like 'God' on earth but because he doesn't have an answer to everything, he lives in fear of a being somewhere in the immensity of it all that would be bigger than him.
Living like a 'God' on earth means that man often does battle with his conscience and regularly needs to be reassured that his ways are righteous. This is achieved by inventing a being that would be the strongest of all and then fantasizing that such a being would protect and favor him over everything else.

Man secretly aspire to be all-powerful.
'God' is a constant created by man to balance the equation of his existence. Man behaves like 'God' on earth but because he doesn't have an answer to everything, he lives in fear of a being somewhere in the immensity of it all that would be bigger than him.
Living like a 'God' on earth means that man often does battle with his conscience and regularly needs to be reassured that his ways are righteous. This is achieved by inventing a being that would be the strongest of all and then fantasizing that such a being would protect and favor him over everything else.

He is the creator of the universe. He is everywhere..

the universe always has and always will. infinity has no ends. we are all gods, creators of our realities, together we are one being, one soul

God is so extremely much greater than we are, that if there was something that did a thing like creating Him, we couldn't understand it as creating. We wouldn't be able to understand it at all. The closest we can come is to say that God always was, is now, and always will be.

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Sounds like George Soros, the manipulator of nations and  people.

the universe always has and always will. infinity has no ends. we are all gods, creators of our realities, together we are one being, one soul

In other words. Putting a God in there doesn't solve anything. We can skip a step and say the universe has always been there and so on.
"I don't understand it, therefor God" is not an answer to problems in science.
If we used that we would still be living in caves

"How did that thing make a fire?" "God did it" " "ok"

Who create God, maybe those with something to gain.

An example :

http://sdrministries.org/sermon/images/d8/pope_throne.jpg

Preaches for the average man to give his wealth away to charity while sitting on a golden throne  ::) ::)

Vatican estimated wealth - $10 - $15 Billion and you only get to sample the product after you die, no proof just blind faith you'll get what your owed with no way to report back saying you got fucked over.  Not a bad business is it ;)

Fucking hilarious when you stand back and take a look how the sheeple follow blindly.

Did you believe in god ?? did you can see it, and whether after we diewill meet god, this is just a stupid question because in fact there is no god and religion is just a stupid game that created by humans who lived long before we born.

God is a creation not a being. It is all in your imagination if you have a vivid one.  :D

Science shows us that God exists.

Entropy shows us there there was a beginning to the universe.

Cause and effect show us that everything is programmed.

Complexity shows us that the Programmer of the universe is intelligent way beyond anything that we can imagine.

The Programmer fits the definition of our word "God."

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Newton now Clausius  :D..Did god tell you all this :D..YER when? :D

God was never born, has no children, no parents, knows all, needs nothing and no one.
He created every thing from literally nothing as science can prove it already.
Can you imagine that the whole universe out of no where and from nothing first started just to be and still continues to be?

While time and space are one but at the same time two things, where gravity is heavy time passes differently, just like near black holes, or if you move faster like speed of light again time passes differently.
But imagine a movie where you can skip to any time, go forward or backward, with God it's like that he has access to the video tape if you may call it and it doesn't affect him at all time never passes for him.
Can you imagine beyond our universe? if you first can find any edge for it then anything there again imagine the plain of existent beyond that and to what extend could you go worlds beyond worlds? you will be going for billions of years and still unable to reach the end of our universe and when you get there then ask your self this question.

God is everything that could be out there or any where, very simple he is everything that could be.

Also have you seen "Ancient Aliens" ?  they were all sent by God to do what he ordered them to do, how ever some of them saw some candy and wanted some then got kicked out of the club. they were naughty.

I personally believe that heaven and hell are in fact in this same universe of ours.

Science shows us that God exists.

Entropy shows us there there was a beginning to the universe.

Cause and effect show us that everything is programmed.

Complexity shows us that the Programmer of the universe is intelligent way beyond anything that we can imagine.

The Programmer fits the definition of our word "God."

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Found the peer reviewed paper where science proof God yet? Still waiting for the link.
Until then, stop lying.

God has no beginning nor ending. He created us all thats all i know. If theres a building, theres a builder. Who created the universe? Where the humans came from? Scientist cant prove that. They just created theories and make themselves believe it was happened. No one can see God coz he is a spirit(no flesh and no bones). But we can see Him through the things He created.

God has no beginning nor ending. He created us all thats all i know. If theres a building, theres a builder. Who created the universe? Where the humans came from? Scientist cant prove that. They just created theories and make themselves believe it was happened. No one can see God coz he is a spirit(no flesh and no bones). But we can see Him through the things He created.

No one could  answer that such question because we are just  his creations and   dont have any idea about things about him but one things for sure He created  the universe and every single planet  and every living things  exist.  God is God and no one created him because  his the creator itself. No more questions. Period

Many questions are a good thing. After all, if we have questions about God, we just might have questions about how He is acting with people. When we have those questions, we just might be prompted to look into the Bible and find out how we can be saved. And that is what God wants for us. Salvation.

Ask many questions. You will find the answers to some of them.

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That's the most christian/ignorant thing I've ever read. Yes, some may have found salvation in the bible, but don't you think that every nice, motivating word can help a person out?

Humanity created gods.

That's the most christian/ignorant thing I've ever read. Yes, some may have found salvation in the bible, but don't you think that every nice, motivating word can help a person out?

Humanity created gods.

In everything that exists, we see entropy. In simple form, entropy is the fact that everything is running down and wearing out. In more complex form, everything is dissipating, diffusing, and spreading out. A way to say it simply is that all complexity is gradually becoming less complex.

On the universal scale, we see nothing else. We see nothing that shows us the reverse of entropy.

If the universe were eternal, entropy would have caused it to have virtually no complexity whatsoever by now. This means that the universe had to have had a beginning, and will probably have an end.

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running down and wearing out?  humanity's castles made of sand, sure, but nature is an eternal blossoming flower.  constantly growing and healing this planet.

the universe is as you see it.  logical thinking will not bring you an understanding of nature's incomprehensible infinitely fractaling nature.  for one to see oneness with the endless miracle of nature, one must step away from linear logic.  only by living with nature's nurturing energy can we heal into our natural state of being.


religion is not the preface of god.  nature is divine, religion is governing the minds of many.  men are organic beings of nature, don't be duped to ignore the miraculous divinity of nature because of rulers who seek self worship, that is exactly the type of mind frame they seek to impose on you!

I forgot the explanation behind it but I did not question his beginning. 

That is typical brainwashing right there.   ;)

It was definitely a human being, not sure we will ever know who, probably quite two of couple stay together and created him.

God always exited, exists now, and always will exist. God has no creator.

God is extremely great. He is way beyond this universe, but we know only things of this universe. We understand Him only a little. If there was some way that God came to be God, it did not happen in any way we could begin to understand. The question of where God came from is meaningless to us because of our lack of knowledge and understanding of things outside of our universe.

Of course, we are only finding out a little about our universe. We are so extremely weak mentally. If we knew everything about our universe, then maybe we could start to think about whatever is outside of it.

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If God is so great and really exist why he does not stop all the nature disasters and let people die because they have nothing to eat?

This list could be endless i personally do not believe in god

I have saw a post that he said everything we see is build by someone.. So everything that exists built by someone like bitcoin and some other things. so he said god is the one created everything.. I got a logical question.. So if god exists who created him??? Guys it is not an insult.. A logical question only. Please share your ideology  :-* :-* :-* :-*

Humans created all the gods (there is no "the god") - as the multitude of both monotheistic and polytheistic religions, past and present, attest to.

As humans evolved large enough brains and started asking all the "why, where and how" questions, the "divine explanation" became a general explanation category to the questions, to which those early humans had now answers (akin to the children's answer of "because"). As concrete answers and explanations started coming, gods lost more and more of the explanatory usability. For example: it was not so long ago that god(s) were needed to explain lightning. Not any more.

So, humans created the gods, and humans are killing them as their usefulness deminishes.

No  i think gods made humans not humans created god.
If you think well in theory in the book our world is made when the big bang theory happens.
Also according to scientist they didnt seen any path that we are from monkeys but it can be how they are alive and where they came from?

We don't come from monkeys. we have a common ancestor. we are cousins.
So the question would be, how can our cousin be alive when we are here.
I think the answer gives itself

How can wolves be alive when dogs are here?

Come on guys, the flying spaghetti monster has always existed. So long as I am alive and a pastafarian, I will advocate for this.

I have saw a post that he said everything we see is build by someone.. So everything that exists built by someone like bitcoin and some other things. so he said god is the one created everything.. I got a logical question.. So if god exists who created him??? Guys it is not an insult.. A logical question only. Please share your ideology  :-* :-* :-* :-*

You answered your question yourself. Here's what I mean.

Imagine that you were rich. You found a beggar on the street who was near starvation. You took him home in your Rolls, you fed him, you gave him new clothes, you gave him his own house to live in, you bought him some land where he could grow his own food, you gave him gardening equipment, you gave him a harem with some of the most beautiful gracious women around, you gave him, The list could be endless.

Then, the former beggar said, i personally do not believe in the rich guy who gave this all to me.

How would YOU feel?
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running down and wearing out?  humanity's castles made of sand, sure, but nature is an eternal blossoming flower.  constantly growing and healing this planet.

the universe is as you see it.  logical thinking will not bring you an understanding of nature's incomprehensible infinitely fractaling nature.  for one to see oneness with the endless miracle of nature, one must step away from linear logic.  only by living with nature's nurturing energy can we heal into our natural state of being.

religion is not the preface of god.  nature is divine, religion is governing the minds of many.  men are organic beings of nature, don't be duped to ignore the miraculous divinity of nature because of rulers who seek self worship, that is exactly the type of mind frame they seek to impose on you!

That's an extremely good analogy. I would feel extremely used and angry, and certainly wouldn't repeat my generosity.

However.....

Old BADlogic hasn't been playing fair ball with us. What he conveniently failed to mention was that the rich guy was omnipotent, meaning he knew exactly what the beggar would do, even before the beggar was born. The rich person could of snapped his fingers and never let the beggar be born. But he didn't. Why? Because he was quite happy how it would all turn out. He was quite happy the beggar would eventually never believe in him. If he wasn't he would never let it happen.

Oh ladies and gentlemen, make no mistake, it was a delibrate deceitful omission by BADlogic. It was certainly not an oversight on his part that the key component that decides if his analogy was a good one or a traincrash fireball failure was missing.

It was a traincrash fireball of failure. (The same as 99% of his other analogies and arguments.)  :D

Who created the egg? The seeds? The birds? And the sky? The planets and the universe? What was there before time and matter? From nothing there was something? LoL...

No, no, don't forget! Free will and all that crap, right? That's why non-believers exist! That's why they absolutely deserve to burn in hell, which wouldn't affect you because your soul doesn't have nerves.

We don't even have free will.

Even the giving of free will to mankind...

We MAY have free will

Best you don't mention the freewill thing around BADlogic. Sore subject for him. He's still smarting from that one.


 :D :D :D :D :D

That's an extremely good analogy. I would feel extremely used and angry, and certainly wouldn't repeat my generosity.

However.....

Old BADlogic hasn't been playing fair ball with us. What he conveniently failed to mention was that the rich guy was omnipotent, meaning he knew exactly what the beggar would do, even before the beggar was born. The rich person could of snapped his fingers and never let the beggar be born. But he didn't. Why? Because he was quite happy how it would all turn out. He was quite happy the beggar would eventually never believe in him. If he wasn't he would never let it happen.

Oh ladies and gentlemen, make no mistake, it was a delibrate deceitful omission by BADlogic. It was certainly not an oversight on his part that the key component that decides if his analogy was a good one or a traincrash fireball failure was missing.

It was a traincrash fireball of failure. (The same as 99% of his other analogies and arguments.)  :D

The thing about this is that it fits everyone. All people die within a short period of time when compared to how long God designed them to live... forever.

Because all people would ultimately have done the same thing as Adam and Eve, God has two choices:
1. Don't make people, and avoid giving them the opportunity to select the good or the bad;
2. Make people, and give them the opportunity to select salvation or not.

God made people to give them life. God made children. Take your pick. Use the little bit of free will you have to accept God and be on His side, and ultimately find salvation. Or reject God and His salvation for you.

Even if God seems to be unjust in your eyes, nobody can tell how unjust you are by blaming God for our choices.

Choose God and life... or don't.

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Because all people would ultimately have done the same thing as Adam and Eve, God has two choices:
1. Don't make people, and avoid giving them the opportunity to select the good or the bad;
2. Make people, and give them the opportunity to select salvation or not.
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There's no such thing as two choices when your omnipotent. There are only infinite choices.

Unless of course your god (the Jesus thingymajig one) isn't omnipotent, which renders it another one of these silly false ones.

Why do you keep contradicting yourself. Now you suggest that the Almighty is omnipotent, and yet He can't make it so that He has only two choices.

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Oh dear you are getting yourself in a pickle this evening.  ::)
He (according to you) has only two choices, meaning he narrowed them down from all the other infinite ones.

Do you even know what the word omnipotent means?  :-\

Why do you keep contradicting yourself. Now you suggest that the Almighty is omnipotent, and yet He can't make it so that He has only two choices.

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If he can make it that he has only two choices and he can't have more than two choices, so then he's not omnipotent because he doesn't have more than two choices. Omnipotence brings paradoxes.

Also, your god creates people so that they have two options after death? Losing their free will forever and spending eternity praising him, or burning in hell for eternity? All I know is that the flying spaghetti monster has way more balls than your god. Why not just show himself?

Be glad that God doesn't show Himself in person to you. You would have far better chance at remaining alive in a Fukushima meltdown - or in the hottest part of the sun - than you would in the presence of God... at least in the imperfect form in which you are existing right now.

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God could snap his fingers and fix that. You're just making desperate excuses. Weak ones at that.  ::)

The same as he could fix other problems in the world but chooses not to.

There's only two remaining options:
1) God doesn't exist.
or
2) God exists, but simply doesn't care.

Take your pick.

and

Wake up!

God could snap his fingers and fix that. You're just making desperate excuses. Weak ones at that.  ::)

The same as he could fix other problems in the world but chooses not to.

There's only two remaining options:
1) God doesn't exist.
or
2) God exists, but simply doesn't care.

Take your pick.

and

Wake up!

How much good stuff does God have to give you before you realize the reality of things? We have no source for the complexity in life except God. Evolution is an impossible lie. And we don't have anything else. Yet there are marvels of machinery built into all of nature.

God is a serious Guy. He built nature in a serious way. He put Himself into nature. He pushed with all His might to make nature happen as it is. The principle of nature is more than simply snapping fingers. Nature is a design in perfection.

When mankind destroyed the perfection, God maintained the perfection through His Son Jesus, Who died on the cross to give us salvation. And now you want God to snap his fingers and destroy the perfection Himself? Gain the perfection for yourself through the perfect Jesus-method that god gave. If you don't, you will simply receive the imperfection that you are asking for.

Wake up before it is too late for you.

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Wait, who is this Jesus fellow? That's not real. The flying spaghetti monster is real. That's who's curing cancer. He touches us all with His Noodly Appendages.

Nature is a design in perfection.

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When mankind destroyed the perfection,
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Now that He is risen and ascended into Heaven, His role as God is to remain patient with you for a time.

Evolution is an impossible lie.

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*chuckle*

I suggest you reread your last comment. See what I mean. Your saying that that evolution as a lie is impossible.  ;D

Glad your fully supportive of the theory of evolution, deep down at least. Perhaps that's your subconscious trying to tell you something....

Evolution is just a theory just like how gravity is just a theory. So we should be able to fly, just like the flying spaghetti monster!

The fact that evolution has been proven impossible is why scientists in the lab are grasping any straws that they can to show that something is evolution. The scientists have adjusted the meaning of evolution and their tests to suggest that simple change is evidence that evolution is real.

Gravity isn't a theory. Gravity is a reality. The Theory of Gravity is theory about how and why gravity works the way it does. This theory is probably wrong, but gravity itself is a very evident reality.

Chuckle!

I can show you the flaws in your whole religion of stupidity. The funny thing is that all you can do is try to trip up my wording. This shows that you know for a fact that God is real and that things like evolution and the gravity theory are completely false.

Chuckle.  ;D

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As I said, perhaps you should listen to what your subconscious is telling you.

Surely, even your level of stubbornness must have it's boundaries.

You have become quite perceptive. You see that's the exact thing that I did. Then I came to understand God. Your turn.

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You have become quite perceptive. You see that's the exact thing that I did. Then I came to understand God. Your turn.

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My turn, yeah no probs.

Obviously I don't have time to spend all day typing out a spreadsheet list of thousands of gods and noting what my subconscious says about each one. Even you understand I can't be bothered to do that.
But tell you what, you give the names of say 5 gods and I'll reply on here with what my subconscious response is.

Right, off you go, let's have the 5...

The real question is not, "Who created the god."

The question is, "Why do people turn their backs on God, Who they know exists and loves them?"

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no it's the correct question.
basically gods are created by your own minds , the reality gods never exist. it's just your imagination.

Use the intelligence that God gave you. Dumb nature doesn't make any of the complexity we see in nature. There is no evidence whatsoever that it does. The best that we can do so far is to say that we don't know nature deeply enough to say that nature does or doesn't do any creating.

The complexity in nature makes it evident that there is a God. Why? Like as the machines that people make don't exist without some intelligent person making them, even so the machinery of nature needs a Maker. Because of the great complexity of nature - far beyond anything we can do - the Maker fits the definitions of our word "God."

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I have saw a post that he said everything we see is build by someone.. So everything that exists built by someone like bitcoin and some other things. so he said god is the one created everything.. I got a logical question.. So if god exists who created him??? Guys it is not an insult.. A logical question only. Please share your ideology  :-* :-* :-* :-*

Select a hand, or an arm, or an eye, or a brain. Now, make one of these. What? You can't?

Oh, but dumb nature makes them by the millions and billions.

Are you smarter than dumb nature? That stupid rock over there. It can't do anything. It can't even move itself. And it certainly can't think. But it is part of dumb nature that can make all this complex machinery of multitudes of forms of life. And you can't make even one of them. Why, you can't even make a dumb rock!

How dumb are you that you can't even figure out how nature does it? What? You focus on the word "evolution?" Evolution that science can't even show did anything to make life?

You and your stupidity are less that a lump on the side of a log, less than a wart on a toad's nose, that you don't have a clue where all these marvels of machinery in nature came from, but delude yourself into thinking that you are so marvelous.

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You and your stupidity are less that a lump on the side of a log, less than a wart on a toad's nose, that you don't have a clue where all these marvels of machinery in nature came from, but delude yourself into thinking that you are so marvelous.

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Matthew 7:1 - Do not judge, or you will be judged. For with the same judgment you pronounce, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.…

Sadly no list of gods as requested, however, lots of off topic strawman arguments instead.

Water off a ducks back my son.

Isn't it interesting you put a great deal of effort into promoting the bible, tellling people they should be doing this, telling people they should be doing that, this that and the other. Yet when actually following the infamous book yourself, like your suppose to, you don't share the same enthusiasm.... Interesting.

Everybody judges. I mean, you make judgments all the time, like how much salt and pepper to put on your food, for example. So, stop judging me and start to believe God, since you quoted Him.

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