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https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2016/10/04/brave-browser-starts-paying-bitcoins-to-adblocked-sites/



Anyone using Brave and can verify this? Have they indeed started paying users, or publishers only? I only use android version, which doesn't yet support btc payments.

reading braves website - https://brave.com/


seems more about users paying in. to be able to block adverts while still helping websites get some funding. rather than users getting funds.
however reading the OP. there may be a "cashback" scheme by users allowing adverts, users get 15% back

They still have that 15% to users on their website:
https://brave.com/about_ad_replacement.html


Doesn't sound like a cashback. And cashback for voluntary donations would be very weird idea. I could just donate less, or nothing, if I cared about cashback.

Cashback schemes, in my opinion, are more commonly used to give people the illusion of saving money or keeping some sort of value in exchange for paying for some sort of service that does basically nothing to benefit them. Some people fall for this kind of thing, and it is meh in my opinion. I wouldn't be interested in getting rid of ads, because I truthfully don't care that much.

I believe, brave is going to be a game changer in the long run.

its nice to see that more and more websites companies and programs are starting to accept bitcoins, the price will definitely increase because of that

i don't understand.
the main goal of a browser is to see internet ... and block ADs.

ADs is not internet.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img913/8247/EVgr3z.gif

it's a waste of ressource and time to build ADs.
build QR-Code on interesting article and i pay (i already pay some bitcoin article ... posted on medium or other place).

Thanks for the link. Very informative. This braves cashback program to users by sites advertising is good. In that way a user can eran while surfing and at the same time can spend also by  blocking the ads he didnt want. Nice concept though, I remember Mrai's coin.

This is so good... but till the lightning is release the brave is already reserving another improvement.
http://www.coindesk.com/brave-browser-launch-bitcoin-micropayments/
And so the payment is not automated?

I thought Brave was supposed to show you different kind to ADS, a specially prepared king by browser itself.

And then you would earn money by browsing sites with these Ads. If that is the other way around and you can tip sites you like - it is far less interesting.

The Solutions should be clear ADZbuzz will be the way of the future

http://adzcoindesk.com/adzbuzz-vs-steemit/

will Brave be able to succeed or will it be replaced by ADZbuzz  ;)

only time will tell.

I can try again, but I downloaded this a few weeks, maybe a month or two back and could not see at all how the system would work.  It appeared, from what I can remember, to be where the only people that would get paid are the sites themselves and there was no way a regular user was getting anything.  I can try again, but I remember the first impression was not good.

I was thinking of giving the Brave Browser a try because I thought that it also pays the users. On the internet the users have now become the product, they follow you and snoop at what you do and record them and then look for patterns in your online activities. So if I choose not to block ads then I should have a share of the pot too, right? What would stop me from using a regular browser + adblocker?

So I am confused with Brave payments for the users. Are they only cashbacks for the Bitcoins you already released or is there really a user's share of 15% from the pot?

viewing the web on normal browsers gives you two options.
see ad's from primary advertisers(option 1) or block ad's from primary advertisers(option 2).

brave, from reading between the lines offers 2 new options when you choose to block standard first party ads(option 2).
A. remain blocked and receive nothing, but you have to pay for this.
B. view 'brave' clean ad's you prefer, and you get paid.

the only issue i see is the payout

the payout comes from, what i can see
people putting funds in, to be able to totally block ad's(option 2: A)
clean advertisers paying to show clean ads to people who chose(option 2: B)
where the funds are shared like this

https://brave.com/assets/blog_images/image03.png
EG someone pays in $5 to block ads for 1000 websites
it breaks up as
$2.75 - goes to the websites that had ad's blocks(option 2: A). where the share = $0.00275 per site viewed
$0.75 - goes to a pot to pay websites when a users chooses(option 2: B). *
$0.75 - goes to brave
$0.75 - goes to a pot to pay users when a users chooses(option 2: B). *

* where the share can vary depending on how many users choose the option and how many sites those users click

yet if everyone (usual the penny pinching sig campaigners and faucet raider mindset people) wanted a payday( option 2: B) they will be left fighting over the small pot of funds.
the more sites they click, the more users wanting a payday, the less of a 'share' they get.

imagine for every 1 person putting in $5 and go for(option 2: A) there were 99 users going for (option 2: B)
now we have 99 people fighting over 75cents.

those 99 people are going to speed click through sites to get a bigger tally of sites viewed compared to other (option 2: B) people. in hopes of getting a bigger share of the 75cents (same game physics as mining hashrate competition for share of the block reward pot)

resulting in more clicking and more diluting the share of the pot. which as a side effect also means the website receiving the constant barrage of clicks from raiders causing the websites to get higher bandwidth but less back per click.

also as a secondary effect, the income the website would get from primary advertisers(option 1) would decline too.
this is due to the primary advertisers(option1) seeing alexa rankings/google analytics of high views due to the fund raiders trying to cheat, causing the site to be deemed as lacking 'quality' clicks, so the site gets demoted and receives less per click from genuine option 1 advertisers.

so i hope brave has formulated alot of use case scenarios and done alot of predictive maths to ensure a fair income for websites and limit the income of fund raiders, otherwise it wont be sustainable

So, are need for giving an address for getting a payment from brave? seems for paying their users is via 3rd parties or escrow method and could that's will not pay everyone for directly? to be honest, this is my first time is heard about the brave... and it's will need us for always turning before for that.

seems from reading the site that the "pots" of funds are locked into Bitgo multisigs(3rd party escrow).
they seem to be concentrating on ensuring websites get paid before making a version where users get paid.
im guessing the 'user gets paid' version is still not finalised.
the method of payout is unclear but i presume there would be an option to save your public address in the browser, so that brave knows where to pay you.

all i can see so far is a scenario of mad rushing for everyone opting to get paid, hardly anyone opting to pay. leading to a competition of clicks to drain the funds into a 1 satoshi per click end game.

they really need to limit payouts to users or it wont be sustainable

I`ve never  heard of this brave browser and i will never use it.

Is it better than Firefox or chrome?

It`s good that they adopt bitcoin,but they aren`t very popular.

I've used brave in the past... It had a different look and feel than other browsers, didn't really like it back then.
After reading your post, i re-installed it just to verify if they indeed started to pay the users per blocked ad, but i couldn't find any setting for this...

They did started using Brave Payments, apparently, they allow you to deposit funds and pay with your browser now, but it's not like you're getting payed :)

The bigger this gets, the lower the payment will be, if the income are smaller than the combined payouts that needs to be done. Yes, it functions as some kind of paid Ad blocker service built into the browser, which is generating income and then it also serve as a better platform for Advertisers that wants it's customers satisfied with their Ad spamming.

At this stage, nobody asks you if you want to see their spammed Ads, they just spam you. These Ads then get the opposite result, and it just anger and frustrate the people receiving it. So if the user gives his blessing to receive specific Ad's then these Ads are more effective.

The users getting paid for doing this, is just a Added <excuse the pun> Bonus. ^smile^

If it is paying just for adblocks it can be done in google chrome too. Cant seem to verify yet if they are already paying. I thought at their introduction that they will be an add ons for Firefox.

I see people opening a lot of faucets and sites like that with lot of adds just to boost their add views.

I don't think it will be a good method to earn bitcoin. There will literaly be thousands of page crawlers just going through the pages to get the qualifying views. You cannot compete with that as a human being. You will probably end up with a lower payday than clicking faucets, which are already in the range of cents per day if you go at it for hours.

brave browser has not yet reached the final stages, it is still in the process of adding the features. and the payment feature was recently added to it.

the first stage is only "users paying the sites they love to support".

the focus of this project is not on money making but mostly on security and giving the users the most power to control what content they see and what they block to increase the security about malware infection through malwaretising some sides unknowingly/desperately do to make money.

But it's still unclear how much are they going to pay if you’ve agreed to see ads. I don't know but something tells me it might be 5 sats per add or even less. We'll see of course what will be in reality (right now it is not working still AFAIK) but to me it looks like a brave publicity. )

An interesting approach, but instead of making it a Browser, an add-on would just be more accessible.

I dont think there are much people willing to use a new and probably worse browser which shows them adversting just to earn a few sats.

This is interesting. The 15℅ for the users will be small that's for sure though

but still worth it if browsing is also part of your everyday life and instead of browsing everywhere and don't get any earning then it's for sure an interesting thing that could give us additional earning even though it's quite small,and also the best way to support those content provider such as webs owner or someone else

it is not unclear, it is not yet released. the feature to pay the users is not yet ready.
for now the payment is only to the sites, meaning the users who like to support the site click on the option to give a share to that site. the interface looks like this:

(Edit for signature spammer below me with 3x my posts count)
users can NOT earn money with this browser (not yet anyways). users will optionally PAY the sites they visit as a donation.

https://brave.com/assets/blog_images/brave_payments_status_screen.png

I recommend reading the official FAQ : https://www.brave.com/Payments_FAQ.html
and the official blog : https://blog.brave.com/introducing-brave-payments/

Thanks for this info mate its really got my interest when i seen this type of ways to earn i know it will make some huge support coming from the community here if implemented correctly. Good luck OP

Sounds like an interesting project and just downloaded the Brave app for IOS. Wonder if they manage to survive between all the big names in the browser market. Hope they will release this function fast now I still see a message on there website.

It is an interesting idea to implemented bitcoin into paid browser, I do hope this project can continue and expand, the more bitcoin user the more stable price we got, hopefully it dont slowing the internet connection that we have and contents of the ads is informative

It's cool i give you that ;) but i don't see more users than some geeks trying it out. people tend to be lazy and not care, so i don't see why they should bother.

Interesting idea pay with BTC to remove ads.

But why people would pay for removing ads when they will basically achieve the same goal while using other browser with ADBlock addon?
This ways they won't have to pay anything. If Brave works like this then I see no incentivize to use it just because they are different.

as far as i understood you pay the sites you like to support them. because instead of money from the ads they get it from you directly.
but like i said and i think you agree people are lazy and besides some geeks nobody will use it.

I don't think that they are paying users right now because when i visited their website there it was written "Soon, micropayments and better ads will give users and publishers a better deal."

if you read the previous comments and if you also pay a visit to the developer's site you can see that this is only optional to pay the sites for supporting them not for removal of ads. the removal is another story.

the adblock is actually present in this browser and it is supposed to be so much stronger than any other ad-ons currently available for Firefox and Chrome.

Well so we could start using brave browser to earn bitcoin for free right?.
I think they will run ad based content which will help them to earn money and from there they will pay us something like 10 to 70%
Not bad for earning i can do anything that's possible and it's an easy tasks so big node to this technology.

That's why they should implement those 15% payments to users as soon as possible. Earning BTC for browsing, even if it's only few satoshis per day etc., could be pretty strong incentive to switch to Brave. Currently only available option to enable users to pay for browsing is not appealing at all to average user.


@xuan87 - the general idea is to improve page loading time, so it won't slow down internet connection.

You've got that exactly backwards.

I haven't d/l it yet, but I have it on my to-do list. For me the golden age of the internet was 1996-97, when information was available without being deluged in a swamp of advertising/video that slows your machine and crashes your browser. I tend to actively avoid many news websites because they are such an unstable mess. So while I hated the idea of paying to view a page, the sheer obnoxiousness of the current state of affairs has brought me around to Brave's model of micro-payments to see ad-free information. I think in the long run it will carve out a significant niche at a minimum.

wrong. the more users the less stable.
think of it like faucets. the more people raiding faucets by clicking links on web pages the less income they get per click
then google stop providing adsense revenue to the website due to the 'clicks' not being of any quality.
which is then a downward spiral
less income to share= more clicks from users to attempt to get income = less income to share =....

many geeks do sig campaigns and raid faucets. and this will be braves downfall.



why implement the payout as soon as possible. they first have to get websites to partner with brave and agree to braves features in exchange for an income. this should be done first, to ensure websites get paid. long before handing funds to users.

again its worth mentioning, if people take the greed hat off and put a business hat on to think about how to run a sustainable business/concept. rushing to hand users funds before the content creators can get paid. is a downward spiral

Looks like a promising project, but it will be hard to gain marketshare from IE and Chrome.
I looked on their website, but couldn't find which underlying engine they are using.

I assume they've written their own from scratch? Does anyone know more about this?

Edit: Looks like it's based on Chromium
http://www.zdnet.com/article/brave-new-browser-eich-returns-with-chromium-browser-that-replaces-ads/

"As soon as possible" =/= "immediately"

And they don't need to partner up with any websites, they'll be replacing certain type of ads and replacing them with their own on every website (like it or not). The appropriate portion of tips/ad revenue will be made available for webmasters to claim (or ignore).

So more appropriate question is whether they have enough advertisers for their own ads, getting such could be tough without gaining critical mass of users first. So I'd say they need to bring all the pieces at the (almost) same time, they can't afford to wait and lose the momentum.

ok i see your point. my head was in another zone concentrating on other issues not related to this topic, to not see the blindingly obvious of there being no pre-requisite need for websites to 'signup'
i originally was running scenarios based on things like
imagining they were going to work with a select list of websites that will be brave compatible to earn users/website funds. as oppose to braves funding model and clean ads model being open to all sites

yes getting advertisers to agree on any level of income should come first. but a hard hill to climb to make the concept appealing.
but still expect it to change later if the 'service' brave offers becomes too saturated with fund leachers making the quality of views drop while the quantity rises. causing the 'price rate' per view/click to drop

so i hope Brave have done a few formulae and are going to set some upper limit to how much a user can leach, to avoid the downward spiral

i have been looking for ways of getting rid of ads on different websites i visit and i found adblock extension for my browser and that improved my web surfing experience a lot from that time onwards i have been looking for ways to improve this experience and ever since i found out about Brave Browser i have been following its development and i have to say i think in a very short time after it comes out of beta it will conquer the internet and will change all the percentage usages from Chrome and Firefox.

everybody is talking about  earning/not earning money with this new browser
I wonder why the security concern has never been raised?Will your sensitive data be safe with this browser?How well and fast will it be updated and isues fixed?
Is the brave team capable to compete with Coogle Chrome or FF?
more questions than answers at the moment

chrome based by the looks of it and there is also a github that people can check.
though we can presume the shell of the browser (window, buttons and textbox) wont grab data, the chrome component itself still could grab data, after all it is google owned

sorry im late to know it, any official link, where i can download and trying the brave browser?
i think this is good idea for the advancement of the world of advertising

Please make it clear to me. Are they really going to pay just for browsing or we are the one who will be paying for the service of no advertisement in the browser? Different definitions are coming. This must be straighten out.

its nice to see a browser like this in the market i was heard only many rumers about it from some months well it seems that the official link is not yet published and tjey are just doing experiment with a small amount of users. of anyone have the download like then can you please send me that in pm

its nice to see a browser like this in the market i was heard only many rumers about it from some months well it seems that the official link is not yet published and tjey are just doing experiment with a small amount of users. of anyone have the download like then can you please send me that in pm

The concept of including Bitcoin transactions within the Brave browser itself is very interesting. I don't get one thing though. Why the heck would users prefer to pay money to websites to not see their ads? I mean supporting people is a noble thing but come on. I don't think this 'groundbreaking' idea will take off when we have more or less free alternatives like Ad-Block and many others. Browsing the Internet should be free of ads by default and paying money to strip the ads from the webpages is just a travesty.

there is a Civil war between users who do not want to see any ads and who are using ad-block or u-block or any other alternative vs sites whos sole existense is maintained by showing ads
they are using ad-block detection scripts,antiadblock http://antiblock.org/ and so on,then there are anti antiadblock :) add-ons to kill antiadblock  https://reek.github.io/anti-adblock-killer/
the war is raging on and on ,where each side has its own arguments pro  and  con
as for the browser itself,I can name at least 7 different browsers,both mozilla and chromium based that failed to take off and get substantial  market share
I think disabled ads can be one of the perks of the new browser,but it has to offer much much more than that

yeah last time i looked at brave browser it didnt look that promising, it was all about paying websites for there content, but this is rather more promising now if they are willing to pay users for watching ads, cant see how that model can last long term tho ?

I will not use that Brave browser because I like to keep my browsing private. I've already tuned my software to block all cookies from google, facebook and most advertisers!
I thought all BTC users liked to retain their privacy...

This yet another situation where bitcoin is being crowbarred into something where it doesn't belong.   Where it has little reason to exist, like faucets.  It's another example of the fact that if you want bitcoin, you should use your RL job earnings and buy them.

I don't find it interesting and I am afraid that this project will fail hard,who will pay only to be able to browse without ads when he can use a better browser + Adblock for free?Only a few people will do it just to show their support the rest will install it and try to earn a few satoshi using it.

As I understand it, both are true. Depending on what options the website you visit has, you might be able to visit a news website, for example, and  see all the news articles ad-free by making a micro-payment. Or you might opt to view ads along with the news, in which case the browser facilitates payments both from the advertisers to the news site, as well as to you for viewing them. In principle it could turn just about everything into a bitcoin faucet. :-)

The concept they have is not quite intresting as not many people will love to donate to block ads as there are other popular and good adblocker software available which can do the work like brave without any donation or fee. Low traffic webpage publishers may not get much donation amount as donated amount is distributed according to number of visits the user will make, may be youtube get higher percentage if i start using brave browser.

I see this as something like Tsu (it was a content ownership program where users were getting paid for using it, platform was similar to facebook but revenue sharing was the usp of tsu). Brave is something on the same path, It allows site visitors to voluntarily donate something to the sites they liked and wish to support. I think they must be using some technology like alexa toolbar where they can allow users to manage their website preferences and donations.

maybe you should check out the project first and then give your opinion against it.

this browser is not for paying to visit sites or even getting paid to visit sites. it is one of the smallest features it is offering.

the main focus is on blocking all the ads and unwanted scripts that may be running in the background automatically.

brave's main focus is to block sites while still paying webmasters.. BUT
USERS wont focus on paying to block ads.. theres other tools that do that for free.
USERS will focus on getting paid by clicking as many adverts or viewing as many adverts available.

this is why brave needs to really work on making it sustainable otherwise it will get abused by USERS

Can someone confirm payment from this 'brave' browser? Did I understand good that trey are paying us just to use that browser?
This is something new, how much we can earn from this, and I wonder how this works, do we need to open browser and just stay it opened and there is something from that for us.
I will wait someone else to try this and verify all this about payments, I don't know would I use browser like this one, but this sounds like interesting idea, if it's proven successful I would try it also.

yeah, everything that has money in it will be abused and there is no exception and i am sure developers of brave browser are well aware of this.

and i am also sure this is why the "users getting paid to watch ads" is not released and there is no talk about it on the website either.

its a matter of monopoly i guess. they're the ones who wants to earn money stead of those publishers. while they also earn from the advertisers who seem to want to connect with them.  brave browser acts like an adnetwork.

i think this browser is both good and bad!

it is a really good project since good developers are working on it and the effort they are putting in blocking ads and the increasing of safety.

but at the same time when money gets involved there will be a lot of problems.
the abuses that is going to happen which was mentioned above is one of them. the other thing that i found out is that brave Inc is taking 5% cut of everything which they say it is to pay for infrastructure costs (whatever that means)!

I gave the browser a try yesterday night and apparently only the option of depositing money to give away to websites is available at the moment. There isn't a hint of users getting back some revenue from watching 'safe' ads or at least I couldn't find any. I don't think anyone would prefer the Brave browser over a 'normal' browser like Firefox or Chrome etc. Clicking all day on ads in a sub-par browsing experience just to earn a few Satoshis doesn't look attractive to me. Also if users don't want to pay money to the websites the rewards for viewing the sponsored ads will be even lower, right?

so they are promoting advertisements and we have to watch ads to get paid. in our busy life we don't have such time to spend in viewing. but it's a good step from those who are simply wasting time by passing addicted games like clash of clans, mini militia and lots more to mmention instead of playing games they could do little bit to earn some money by their own.

it is not a job to earn money and you should stop thinking of it as one.
first of all there is not payment to users who watch the ads in the current version of brave browser.
second of all a lot of people are already visiting many sites which have lots of ads on them like the one tiny ad on top of this page or 10 ads on different bitcoin news sites, so you can get a share of their revenue if you visit the sites without ad block, maybe in the future.

This has already been mentioned in the thread, I'll post the links again. And I think the goal of this browser is to have an ad free experience and reward the websites by giving them donations.

So I would guess that the focus is on providing you with a built in adblocker that's not resource intensive, while also supporting publishers.
Revenue sharing with users is NOT yet implemented

https://blog.brave.com/introducing-brave-payments/
https://www.brave.com/Payments_FAQ.html

User 'Pursuer' has already posted this in this on page 2 of this thread. (Not going to quote since it would be a wall of text + image)

well i guess it will not affect your internet connection but more likely will make the page that you will access just a little bit heavier just as the same when you're disabling your adblock and you found ads,don't think will be more than 200kb additional size for each page

I guess the browser will also integrate with micropayment solutions like SatoshiPay, which will let webmasters create premium content which only costs a fraction of a cent.

I just read about it in their website but i could not find any statement talking about paying the users, but it just says about users funding websites to support them, and i think that does not make any sense at all, it is just about paying money to the websites you might want to support which i feel no one would like to do.

That's a good idea. I'm using ad blocker because alots of advertisement I see are not relevant to my interest and overall seeing that much advertisement everywhere's stressful for my mind, but if I get payment for them, that helps my mind to calm down :)

maybe they haven't not earned that much when the advertisers don't use non intrusive ads and so no one pays. but why use brave browser instead when we could use firefox without paying to block ads there are plugins which blocks them for free.

Most websites (like Forbes) dont allow you to access them if you have ad-blocker enabled.
It cuts into their advertising revenue.

There are so many adblockers out there already and they are for free.
Why would I pay for just a trivial problem anyway.

I have a suggestion instead.
Why don't you make it the other way around?
Pay us for viewing ads through the browser instead.

Basically paying sites to not show ads, instead of using an adblocker, which effectively kills sites.

Nope.

Adblocker is more efficient and cheap. Brave Wil be a flop.

How it works? The publishers have to sign in or what?

It's looks like a "every site is a faucet"... A bit strange, well, something new and different, let's see what happen with this in future...

I believe you already have a faucet for that. :D

But wait, the idea of the brave browser is to pay the small fee to browse ads free? Uhm... ok... This looks like it hasn't been thought through enough.

Someone testing this?

Any feedback?

yeah, i tried it for a while and it looks good and although i have not tried the payment system (because i don't want to give $5 to any sites yet :D) but the surfing is smooth and fast and also i feel like it should be technically faster than Chrome and Firefox because of how it is programmed.

here is a good article to read if you are interested: http://www.networkworld.com/article/3030134/microsoft-subnet/benchmark-tests-brave-browser-ad-blocker-chrome-firefox-ie-11.html

TL;DR:
http://core0.staticworld.net/images/article/2016/02/brave-browser-tests-100643726-orig.png

I have been using Brave as my main browser for about half a year now.

The latest update they started accepting bitcoin donations toward websites. After ignoring this for a few weeks I finally decided to add $5 worth of bitcoins to my Brave wallet. Just so that at least someone is doing it and to see how things work as far as them awarding sites that I visit. You can opt out of some websites that you might not want to award (like if I visited Huffington Post for an article or some other liberal site).

They are going through a few phases. The first phase is accepting bitcoins from users and distributing to sites. The second phase will be adding their own ads and getting paid by advertisers. The last phase is paying users if they choose to view their ads.

I think this is good overall toward funding websites in the future. If the whole Internet adopted this the revenue of Google would now be going through Bitcoin as ad revenue is the major source of Google's funding.

I've been hearing about this, it's awesome that they actually finished it.

If Opera starts to do the same thing like they stated then Bitcoin will become even more expensive because of Opera's large userbase.

Source: https://cointelegraph.com/news/opera-browser-may-consider-integrating-bitcoin-implements-built-in-adblock

That would be pretty great news, I could also see Firefox doing something like this after Opera starts doing it.
Chrome would never implement something like this, since Google relies too heavily on ads itself.

How large is Opera's userbase exactly?

So I guess this is going to be a game changer for the browsers used by people. Even more if they put up android and iOS versions as well. The market of smartphone is much more large than PCs and laptops.   :D

But personally I feel like blocking ads but maybe most of the people will like it and use it. But not me for sure ;)