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Profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=514321

I had to pay him 5.4 BTC for 21,895.66 ICNs

Screenshot of his ICN account sent by him: http://s21.postimg.org/5bm5k0xef/image.jpg

As per our agreement, on 18th October, I paid him 3BTC in advance and then he had to transfer me his ICONOMI account and email ID, but after the first payment he disappeared.

Transaction ID of 3 BTC: https://blockchain.info/tx/2df9901f338d195461cd34c205dfbca154ce1d0ba740c3cdf23d7908fd2531d3

Our agreement and his signature:



His message after I sent him 3 BTC:


He has not logged in since but his Bitcoins address is active and there are two withdrawals today.

I know it's probably impossible to get the money back now. I also understand that I should have used an escrow.

I just want to know what should I do now?

Thanks you.

Damn, another one of them. I think you have been scammed, mate. i understand that you would want to go first - but always use escrow man.

Screenshot could have easily been faked... And also the signed message means nothing if he isn't going to keep his word.

Sorry for your loss. 3 BTC is a lot to me and it may or may not be for you.

Thanks mate.
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Any suggestions guys?

Do the mods give email id and/or IP address of the scammer in these cases?

Ok first of all leave a scam accusation feedback in his profile so other members would avoid to deal with him unless solved.
Then yes i feel sorry for your loss and yes: his profile already had someone painting him and you didnt use an escrow...i know you know but...

Possibly ask a DT member to tag him while the scam accusation is open.
Let's see if he desists...
~Gun

Thanks. I was really stupid not to use an escrow; was very busy that day and just wanted to complete the trade ASAP.

Mods don't give emails or IP addresses (they don't even have access to IP , only admins do as far as I know) and also don't ban scammers , a DefaultTrust member should leave him a negative trust so he can't trade with other people In case he comes back.

ICONOMI'S ICO is now finished I suppose so If he didn't withdraw his funds yet , you could contact https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=888936 and explain the situation for him (link him to this thread) and hopefully , he could give you that account since the username is visible.

Thanks for your reply. I contacted ICONOMI support before creating this thread but they are not even willing to give his email address.

Edit: For those who misunderstood me - I am not blaming ICONOMI; they are absolutely correct for not giving any details. It is also possible that, "IF" oksana28's intentions was to scam, he must have edited the ICO username in the screenshot or sent someone else's screenshot.

They won't give you anything based on their policy, I think you should have used someone as an escrow before doing this trade...
This ain't a good behavior, dear... :(
TBH, you should never trust anyone here when trading such large amounts...
Currently, people don't even trust for BTC0.01, then how did you send BTC3 to a person you didn't even know???

That would be wrong from their side for confiding into your personal matters.Moreover,they can't really give your your ICN's back I believe.

-Has oksana logged in after you sent him the coins ?

-Is he aware of this thread ?

-If he hasn't seen this thread or your pm on bitcointalk,maybe he is busy and you should just wait before jumping to conclusions.

-Otherwise,don't fall for any trust feedbacks around bitcointalk,no matter whom you're dealing with,let it be anyone,always use an escrow.

is really true that what ever amount of bitcoin transaction is their , use escrow to avoid this type of getting scam problem. Iconomi wont help you as this is your mistake , why even Iconomi team have set one user to be used as escrow for ICN coins through iconomi admins. Even then if you have done this then nothing can be done, just wait for some time, if even then you are not getting reply, just start a scam accusation against the user so that DT members will remind him and give me negative trust.

I understand, ICONOMI won't and shouldn't provide me any details, I do not have any problem with that.
- Yup, he has logged in for two days after I sent him coins.

- He may or may not be aware of this thread. I did send him a PM notifying him that I'll be creating a thread. Can't do anything more than that because  do not have anything other than his BCT username.

- I understand that he might be busy that's why I waited 8 days before creating this thread. I created this thread only after seeing withdrawal activity in his Bitcoin address. I have also used "possibly" in my thread title.

- Got that ;-)

I know they won't, I do not have any problem with that. Any respectable company would not give details without concrete proofs (which I don't have) but it doesn't hurt asking ;)

Got that, thanks.

Thanks for your reply, it's sad that he had an accident (if it is true). I really don't think he is a scammer, that's why I waited for 8 days before creating this thread.

I paid him on 18th and he was online on 19th and 20th.

The 3 Bitcoins that I sent were withdrawn on 19th.

There were two withdrawals from his Bitcoin address today.

I left him negative trust, but he probably won't ever log on again using that account.

3 bitcoin for 400 posts - that's a pretty good wage you paid him!

3 BTC is a lot of money considering the BTC price is rising and rising to nearly $700 USD now, always use an escrow for such big amount is always a safer way, take it as a painful lesson :'(

The dude probably bought an iPhone 7 with the booty you provided him. I think your best shot is finding him in some night club in Dubai.
Now he will claim that his mother/father/sister/brother/cat/dog got in an accident and is in hospital so phone is off and he is off the forum.

Next time think twice before entrusting Internet people with cash  ;)

Very funny, imo op didn't use escrow? It is too naive.

Haha, well thank you.


Thanks. Yes, a painful lesson.


Will keep that in mind. It's first time I have ever been scammed in my whole life. I was really busy and wanted to complete the trade ASAP and he had some positive feedback too, will always use an escrow now.


I am glad you find this funny.

Say what you like OP ~ what you claim doesn't make sense at all.  I call this entire post bullshit.

Whatever you just posted doesn't make sense to me either.I call your one liner post utter bullshit unless you have something to back you up.So I shall be waiting for a detailed explaination of the other side of the story from your next post.

as aaallll the other guys above said always use an escrow but for a coin, you can wait till hit the exchange , and dont FOMO
sorry for your loss anyway!  :-\

The first and most important rule to keep in mind is that positive trust on this forum teeming with scam artists means jack shit.
Anyone could scam at any time regardless of how many green kiwis they have next to their anonymous ass.

Not possibly, you are 100% scammed by that person. Learn on your lesson, we can to take any mask in internet so don't trust people easily and always use escrow especially if you have to pay high amount of bitcoin, I don't know why you trust him blindly.
No you can't do anything. If it would be bank transfer than you could to return your money but with bitcoins you can't because it's system of transaction. Now everything depends on that personbut I think he won't decide to give you back your money.

1.  I agree with most you post on this forum.  But, don't come at me demanding anything, not even the time of day. Come at someone correct and    
     they will do the same.
2.  You can wait til the cows come home, for a "detailed" explanation. I don't owe you, this forum or anyone anything. Keep that in mind.
3.  However, for shits n giggles, I will pacify you and others and disclose a little as to why I call this thread/Scam Accusation bullshit.

Let's keep it real here:  In this forum, there are literally hundreds of people who are part of scammer groups. The only thing different are the User Names. I guess they are called MLM? or something similar.   AND there are, let me call them Single users, who come to this forum to learn what's up with BTC or purchase something.  

I'll label the scammer group as A and single users as group B.  Group A intends to scam group B.  But, if they can, they will scam other scammers.  However, the easiest targets are always group B, new, uneducated and believing of what they see, tx's, posts, vouches, etc ::)

Example (not everyone but many):  

Start: Open a User Name to be a Lender  (Forget the scammer ones who want your account collateral, no escrow, those with Paypal/reversible methods, etc those are simple to see). Start creating position: this user will garner trusts, vouches, etc, from both A&B, posts/transactions, creating an online reputation/account, which will be used (sold down the road) to someone within the group to scam.

Above applies everywhere on/offline

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Why I call bullshit on this SA:

I believe the OP is trying to position their UN.  But most importantly, bring forth some type of legitimacy to that junk ICONOMI, as if it's worth anything ::)

No one in their fucking right mind would believe this few month old user was in such a hurry/busy/trusted the other guy etc to toss a few grand.  I don't give a shit if your Bill Gates, that's something that just does NOT happen in real life online/off!

That's why I call bullshit.  On this SA, the OP CoinMega and their partner the accusee oksana28.

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My language/postings may be lackadaisical.  But, I know when something stinks and this reeeeeeeeeeeeeeekkkkkkkssssssss

It's hard to feel bad for someone when they just throw away thousands of dollars basically in the hopes that someone will keep their word. I'm not sure if the op is true or not but if it is you are very naive. I don't trust people on the internet with $10 but you send them $1800 before you even know who they are. Come on man. What the hell?

It's like when you hear people say they fell for stupid telemarketing scams. "Give me your SSN because this is the IRS and you owe back taxes. Now go wire me $5000 asap and we'll be ok."

1. Discussion on legitimacy of ICONOMI or any other altcoin is not a part of this thread.
2. "would believe this few month old user" I think this few month old user is me, however, just to let you know that the status or post count of an user in this forum doesn't tell about what they actually are in their real life. A person with no posts can be much more busier and wealthier than legendary members (I am not telling that I'm busier or wealthier).
3. A lot of things happen in real life and one doesn't have to be Bill Gates to be busy or to trust others.

At last, you can call this whatever you want, catshit, horseshit, bullshit or any other <insert-an-animal-here>shit but I seriously couldn't care less.

Yup, thanks. This was not FOMO ; )


Got you : )

Thank you

Thanks for your kind words. I re-read my OP and couldn't find where I asked people for sympathy or to feel bad for me.
Not naive, "trusting" would be a better word.

Found this guy and I am not sure but we might be close to reveal his face.

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Alts Connected: FriendlyChemist (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=651947), mcb1221  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=83688) , oksana28 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=514321)


Proof of Connection:  

FriendlyChemist (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=651947) has this thread here where he used to post his tennis parlay wins.

http://archive.is/9BCHJ




Archive: http://archive.is/AS4gu#selection-9365.0-9365.78

Here if link is followed where the payout was sent. Two addresses were used by FriendlyChemist (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=651947) :- 1P86ApfWg62kwz1Zb1anYxrAN1LkRGwDdR and 3DmuJm1M76DmcUemTjztpz9PRRngB9T1i6


According to CoinMega , oksana28 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=514321) scammed him 3BTC and used 1P86ApfWg62kwz1Zb1anYxrAN1LkRGwDdR

CoinMega post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1663261.msg16696638#msg16696638  Archived Link: http://archive.is/LZ5nz


mcb1221  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=83688) uses 3DmuJm1M76DmcUemTjztpz9PRRngB9T1i6 here to join : [Crypto-Games.net] ★Signature Campaign★ but Lutpin denies his request .

He has deleted this post but luckily found Lutpin quoted post here :


archive: http://archive.is/6RjBr


Thus they are owned by the same person.

Luckily I think someone has dox of him (not sure). Hope he backs this up with proof


JoelJantsen need you here to dox him and show him who is son of father. (uhmm. everyone is a son of father  :P. Don't know why he was trying to be so much funny there.)

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Misc. From what I deduce it seems like he buys accounts and uses it for scamming users in bitcointalk.

mcb1221 is still unmarked so I would like to ask some DT members to mark him up.


Second, I am really sorry for the guy who lost 3BTC. I feel it and seriously am cursing myself thinking that maybe I should have done it earlier.

Anyway here is my message for @FriendlyChemist :- "Welcome to my FAN CLUB , asshole !!!"  ;D

Nice work Avi! Yes,this mofo claims not to be from India and look at the feedback he left on my profile in Hindi shows he's really a filthy lying piece of shit.I wanna do something more than just doxx him.I've his photos and address I believe (which was sent to me by one of his classmates).I want to take him to the Cyber Crime Cell in India.Since the last few atm scams,I've been visiting the officers on daily basis and they're very curious to take up anything that helps stop the crime.