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This user: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=911971

Is Atari-- that I gave a $6 loan to and just to clear this up - WAS NOT PAID BACK! Although they said it was, show the proof on the blockchain then ::)

Now ever since has been asking for btc at first 0.006btc then 0.01btc all the way up to 0.05btc - WHICH WAS ALL PAID OUT! Just to not have negative feedback from Despised-Icon- and all his other Alts posted on my trust rating page because of a loan that had nothing to do with him - WHICH WAS NOT PAID BACK EITHER FROM THIS OTHER USER Kylym.

At this point he has come back again and again with deadlines for me to pay this ransom amount to him or he will continue posting negative feedback on my trust page. I don't know how many has been put on since last night approx 12 hours ago since I told him I am not paying one more bit to him because he will just come back once he gets the 0.1btc that he asked me for and post more negative feedback that just links to the loan thread of Atari-- that I lent to him.
This guy needs to have a DT put on his account because he is still asking for loans to fund his gambling problem (poker player that does not know the meaning of morals and asking others to feed his gambling addiction).

Will post the log with all the harassment he has sent to me from the beginning if that will put an end to this pathetic person abusing others trust on the forum.

You should have known better than to entertain a Newbie and their loan requests. You emboldened his to keep this crap up. There are reasons newbies requesting loans are tagged.
As for the spam Trust, his accounts Trust left don't mean a thing and if the spam is bad enough, it may get cleaned up by Theymos.

So you are saying that I deserve this harassment and abuse from this beggar because I gave him a small amount at the time just to get him to stop asking every 2 hours for a loan?

Yep. You opened that can of worms, enjoy.

Why would you care though? It's untrusted feedback so it won't affect your account.If you are annoyed by the pms just ignore the accounts(and any more alts that you find).

What do you think I have been doing? They just come up with similar accounts with the same demands.
Wouldn't you be annoyed if this happened to you?
Yeah KWH I did but is it still alright to constantly be harassed over and over again by the same user even though they keep denying they are the member that you know that they are?
I see you have received red feedback from their alts already (Amexservesale) which I accused of being an alt of Atari-- when all this started and then that was removed because he said I was a spammer/scammer on his posts (because I did not have any evidence)with the loan that I gave to him(Atari--) and I was demanding it paid back by that time. I paid his demands of 0.006btc to him then he removed the red feedback but then came back and demanded $20 worth  more that was put on my account. I paid that amount because i felt somehow I was in the wrong.That is the only reason why I paid these ransom amounts without having my trust profile page abused by him and these other alts as it is now.
If you don't view this as extortion then I have no more faith in how justice is viewed here.

Report his PM's and block. If he posts too much feedback, ask Theymos to remove them. He may or may not.
He is Untrusted and bright red, his feedback means nothing.

He does not show as bright red to me.
I believe that only happens when a DT member (level 1 or 2) gives him negative trust.
This would warn others not to fall for these conniving (http://www.google.com/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=nCEaWNu1DdDp8AeVppmACQ&gws_rd=cr#q=conniving) ways that he strives towards requesting in so many threads (using multiple accounts as you have witnessed and have been a part of with that one from Amexsaleserve).

Look again.

Ok now I do see as a red.
Will do the first part as you say and see what comes out of it if anything.

Thanks to you KWH.

YW. You now know why many will NOT work with Newbies. Keep in mind, many are not new just new accounts created to scam as much as possible.

Still going at it:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1666470.0

I don't know why more DT aren't tagging this filth so to stop this nonsense.
Admins should step in because nobody else is really taking anything he is doing here seriously.
He has taken $300 possibly in false trades and defaulted loans from everybody in the forum thus far in the past two weeks(started with me on Oct 23th) just from these 4 alt accounts.
I am not paying 0.1btc to anyone for removal of a trust rating received from a scammer. Nor why should I?

Then don't worry about the 0.1 btc.

He may have scammed funds but that's it. I think most people would deny a loan request or a trade from a newbie like that who has no reputation and a high likelihood of being a scammer. And if they do accept it like you did, then they learn a valuable lesson - one that's hopefully worth the amount they lost.

Why would I worry about the 0.1btc that he threatened me to pay to him as you can clearly see from the pm log near the end of this cluster fu(khead's attempts to get more funds from me.
In total I paid pretty close to 0.08btc which I don't find as an extreme amount to lose if it saves someone else from getting taken to the cleaners to this desperate excuse of a person like I had.
I did warn a hero member from losing alittle btc at first and likely alot more later on from his attempts of extortion by his corrupt mind's logic he has put in the lending and now the goods and services section. So saving one person from this miserable leech was well worth the amount that I have lost to this pathetic excuse for a human being.

-breaking the quoteladder-


Well, to be blunt, most people would be smart enough not to loan bitcoins out to newbies like that without collateral (usually people who can afford to loan are smart with their money). And in the unlikely event that the guy tries to scam by "offering collateral" then the loaner should be smart enough to escrow it.

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The fact that the person continues to use the hyphens in the name is kind of stupid - don't they think that they're going to be found out almost immediately?

Look. At the end of the day, every time a newbie asks for a loan, there's going to be about 5-6 spam replies about "no collateral" or "you're a newbie lol" and that should ward off most people - along with the fact that a negative will probably be applied within  24 hours.

If someone's still going to loan regardless of that fact, then whatever you do cannot prevent them from doing so - they'll learn their lesson in due time.

But he is asking for more than that. That is the problem here!:
$20 to participate in a poker tournament. Has already lost the 0.08btc that I paid out to him in a few days. ::)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1669053.msg16757772#msg16757772

And this thread shows the same cell phone number and possibly a paxful account to trace this moron:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1617179.msg16252109#msg16252109


So as you can see this will never stop neither will the negative rep that he continues to give to my trust profile. Rapist now? He can not even spell it properly so that tells you of his literacy level. ::)
https://i.imgur.com/lA64wXe.jpg

I don't know anybody who would send money to someone for a poker tournament who hasn't even brought up any statistics, has 0 reputation, and is looking for a $10 buy-in.

Keep in mind, this is a SINGLE buy-in and is "in two hours". With such little to back up and the fact that it's only within 2 hours, nobody's going to be stupid enough to stake them.

How would a good poker player not have $10? Case in point: he's not a good poker player, and he's just scamming.

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Q: Does the negative trust affect you at all?
A: No.

Especially considering the fact that they're from negative-trust members all from the same day... nobody would take that seriously.

What an idiot, though - leaving his phone number public. Looks like the area code originates from North Carolina.

Thats the thing.
Before I mentioned all this he did not have any negative that showed up until KWH put his on there.
A DT member should of put it on there when he was asking and it was known he was Atari and AmexSaleServe which I pointed out in his selling threads but nobody listened and I removed my posts because he said I was giving false accusations on his posts and had the evidence. That being the proof enough to give me negative feedback and use that as the reference link towards my profile's trust page.
He still is selling and people are still doing deals and giving him the benefit of the doubt against just that one negative that is showing from a trusted member for me atleast (KWH's trust given as of now).

KWH is in DT 2(check your trust settings), so their trust feedback should show for everyone regardless of who they are.

Lionidas, you really ought to put a reference link in with your negative feedback.   Everyone else is referencing this thread and not the one where you sent him money. 

Next time hit the ignore button instead of the send button when someone keeps begging for bitcoin.  You fell right into a scammer's trap.

It would have been good for them to have put it there to warn people, but remember: caveat emptor - the "victims" should be smart enough to see through the thinly-veiled scam. It doesn't take a genius to see that no collateral and no reputation means a bad deal.


Like I said - if they're stupid enough to fall for it, then they'll learn their lesson and that'll be that. If they don't learn their lesson, then you wouldn't have been able to stop anything anyway - they're just going to continue being swindled and there's no way to prevent that.

He locks his threads once he is found out as you have noticed so that is useless. I have linked this so to let the ones he has scammed have their say to get this done with that he and his alts are scammers that is the reason of it in the first place not towards that sent of money because this is different now not just for megger amount of $6 but for 0.05btc that I last sent to him for ransom on the trust given to me.

Once again the ignore button would do nothing because as he has mentioned in the entire pm conversation that I did not include he will create new accounts to just keep posting pms to me and put more negative from those too which has happened already.
There is no reasoning with a psychotic person like this one. Repeating same thing over and over again is the sign of a mentally deranged person that I (we are) am dealing with here.

Then you keep painting them red, easier for you than him.

Again with putting the blame on me ::)
I did it to quell his insistent begging. $6 for a piece of mind was not too much to pay for that at the time. :-\

I was only tipped off and then put this user on my ignore list when this member saw what was going on and informed me that the one who I gave this small loan to(Atari) was this user. I removed him when I saw the similar negative message as Atari and another of his alts leave to me just days before but has been since removed when I paid the ransom amount of $20 in bitcoin.

I should of taken his advice and given all these facts before hand because it happened the same way as if I have anyways. >:(
Real funny how he says "loan filled" after he gets these payments from me then locks the threads. ::)
Real artist at the con game here and still at work: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1669059.0
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I'm unsure as to why you think paying him off is a good idea. Firstly, there's the ignore button that's always there to "quell his insistent begging".

Whether it's a small amount or not, wasting money by sending it to scammers is not the way to go. Who cares about untrusted feedback? It's not worth sending $20 to someone just because they post libel about you. Ignore and forget. Would you really pay people to remove their negative feedbacks, regardless of their reputation?

That would just be a waste of money.

Even if you can afford it, you should be prudent. And yes, I am blaming you for being scammed. Caveat emptor.

So you might as well blame the next person who buys this amazon $25 gift card too for not knowing they are involving themselves with a scammer then! :P
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1671092.msg16779394#msg16779394

Atleast they have this thread to look at and a redtrust to see on their profile from KWH to look at. Cause I was not privileged enough to have these blaring signs to warn me not to touch this user with a 10 foot pole.  :-[

Yes. I would. A newbie account trying to sell an amazon card that requires you to go first? The sirens must be so loud your neighbors can hear them! $25 value for $8? What a good deal! Except... it's probably not, and just a clear scam. I might understand $20 as the pricetag... but you can get lots of everyday things from Amazon regardless, so I don't quite understand. The $8 would mean that it's probably either a scam or the card was bought with illicit funds. Either way it's not worth the purchase... not to say that higher price = higher quality


They don't need a thread to warn them if the user already looks like a scammer.

And this is right to you? ::)
People's ethics are seriously messed up around here. :-\

I'm not saying that it's fine to scam, but you have to place a degree of blame on the person who was scammed.

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If I were to sell a stolen credit card to someone, would you say that the buyer was never at fault during the entire scenario? I'd hope not... otherwise, we would have bigger problems to worry about.

Though this example is not a great analogy (comparison between credit cards and other items) you could replace it with other objects that are faulty in some way and it still drives the point: the buyer should be wary about what they're buying. I wouldn't just respond to the first used car sale and buy it instantly. I would check the car for any damages.

(Or in these online cases, usually there is no car.)

TL;DR

Apart from the fact this is in the Reputation thread, not the Scam Accusation thread, can you post a TX of the loan that you gave please?

I knew someone would say that so I posted it there too:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1668701.0

TX for the $5 loan said he would pay back $8 but never did:
https://blockchain.info/tx/510e359fbe306b11aea7c93bf7203afe063e59819ba623e7d6667aecb516aa3e

Another alt of this loser exposed:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1693512.new;boardseen#new

Now trying to get people to cash out $100 in neteller for him which will result you getting scammed
out of that money in the end. Still connected to his failed poker addicted ways of a TRUE GAMBLING MANIC.::)

At it again!
Trying to buy another account in a lending forum to continue on with another scam attempt.