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Currently I have 10 workers 50ths each and each of them to different addresses totalling 500th that I'm renting from westhash to mine on p2pool. Each of the addresses are ones that I have found blocks with while solomining on solockpool.org so their lucky :)

I tried many methods while solomining,a few weeks ago I was using 600 workers each with 10ths totaling 6phs and found four blocks mining at solockpool but a run of bad luck and I lost all my earnings.

In total I have found at least 25 blocks on solockpool, sometimes mining to 1 address with as much as 24phs for short runs, sometimes I'd use one adress with 2phs for days, other times I'd use 500ths to one address for weeks, all in all ive found mining to many different addresses with lesser hashrate to be more exciting, it's fun to try different methods for trying to increase your luck, and people get excited when someone with 10ths finds a block.


With p2pool, it's the closest you can come to solomining, but with much less variance, so I'm back again on p2pool to see if I can make a profit this way, while renting from westhash.

Nice thing is over the last few days after I've added 500th and a few short spurts of 7phs, p2pools hashrate has gone up to between 3 and 4phs over the last several days, compared to 1.5 to 2 phs recently and has subsequently increased my odds of staying in the game a little longer.

This is fun, I just hope to get lucky this time, and continue it for awhile.

The more of you who join p2pool, the merrier!


Just added a node on a VPS in San Jose for those of you who would like to rent from westhash to mine on p2pool.
 https://www.nicehash.com, make sure to select westhash for this node to reduce latencies.

stratum+tcp://:72.5.73.193:9333
Username: yourBTCaddress
Password:x

Fee is 1%

Stats: http://72.5.73.193:9332/static/graphs.html?Day

http://72.5.73.193:9332/static/


For more about p2pool: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/P2Pool

This node can be used by anyone but was intentionally set up in San Jose so it could have low latencies with rentals from westhash.

Going to bump up my orders for a day or until the next block is found to 100th each, for a total of 1ph on this node.

Come join us!

72.5.73.193:9332

Yay! Block found by p2pool!

https://blockchain.info/block-index/1439604

Going to ramp down to 500th for a little while.

I'm throwing ~2th from my modded S7-LN at the pool to see what happens. I'm seeing accepted blocks pretty quickly which is better than my luck on other pools.

Awesome zedzednova!!! At p2pools current hashrate you'll see accepted blocks much less frequently on p2pool than on the big pools, but on average the payouts are expected to be better since stales and orphans are less likely with p2pool.

Mining on p2pool with the current hashrate is more like solomining but with much less variance.  

In the last couple of weeks I've turned 3 BTC into 4.5btc renting hashpower. That would be next to impossible while mining at a regular pool with the hashrate I'm renting.

As far as mining with 2th, you'll have alot of variance on p2pool, you could either earn much more than expected or much less than expected because of the variance of not only p2pool but your individual hashrate as well.

All you need to earn with p2pool is a valid share in the sharechain at the time a block is found.

Good luck! Now go find a block for us!!
:)

Your thread title is very misleading.  I'm not sure how you consider this solo mining, as it most certainly is not.  You have a p2pool node.  Sure, you might be the only person on your node, but just because you're solo on your node, you aren't solo mining.

Yes, you can hack the p2pool code to not connect to the rest of the p2pool network and make it a true solo mining operation.  However, that's not what you're doing.

Also, you made 1.5BTC because p2pool happened to be lucky during your rentals.  There's no magic formula behind it.  You could have just as easily not made anything at all during your rentals.  You got lucky, plain and simple.

I'm happy for you that you made back a nice little bit of profit.  It sure feels good.  Please don't think you've discovered some secret sauce, because unfortunately, you haven't.

As long as whatever you're doing keeps you happy and mining, hash away and enjoy it :).

So you were the guy with 50 or more orders on nice hash.

You know it cost you  50 x 0.0001 or 0.0050 btc each time you did that.

My guess is,you spent at least an extra 1 or 2 btc

You simply should have done 10 orders at a time not 50 or 100.

Name any other pool where it's possible to have earnings like that? This is why Mining on p2pool is as close to solomining as you can get without actually going solo.

Yes I could have easily lost it all too, with most pools I should get back very close to what I should expect based on my hashpower, but because of p2pools variance it makes this possible, not probable, but possible.

Mining on any p2pool node or your own is as close as you can come to solo mining but with much less variance as your sharing the rewards with other solo miners on p2pool, and yes every miner on p2pool is solomining to their own address while also sharing the rewards with other solo miners on p2pool.

It may not be a secret sauce, but I still wanna try it for a while, as I can no longer afford the thrills of true solomining.

I don't think I did spend that much extra, but it did cost more than 1 order for sure.

One time I spent 35 coins trying to find a block mining to one address and didn't find one while solomining, other times when mining to hundreds of different addresses with low hashrates I got lucky, other times I didn't, and my luck whether good or bad depended upon which method I chose :)

"... and my luck whether good or bad depended upon which method I chose ..."

No, it's random.

So your telling me choosing different addresses can't change my luck either good or bad?

yep.


but renting from nicehash and westhash  with 5 orders on each site for a total of 10 orders using  10 addresses does have  advantages over 1 big order on nicehash or westhash.


10 orders of 100th  with ten different btc addys 5 on west  and 5 on nice  will avoid the dreaded dead hashers.

It is NOT a known fact that people sell dead hash to nice and west   hash.

But people do think it is true.

So if you put in a 1 ph order and it is filled by a dead hasher  it will never hit a block.

If you put in 10x 100th orders  all different addys  you will most likely get  mostly good hash.

Some people think 2-5ph of the hash on nice-west hash is dead hash.  the software withholds  blocks.

I have rented 100-125 btc worth of hash from them :

 I hit 3 blocks of 25  and 2 blocks of 12.5   so I am not sure how much bad hash is pointed to them.
My sample  is too small .

My point earlier in the thread was you were overkilling by doing so many  10 th  orders .

kano is accurate if everyone is sending perfectly good hash.


BTW  nice/west hash could show the block results of btc mining if they choose to do it they do not choose to do this.

So I suspect they have good evidence of block withholding they simple won't share it as it would hurt their bottom line.

First off I'd like to say that I'm impressed that this topic has brought in legendaries like yourself Philipma, Kano, and johnybravo to comment, very exciting :)

And I'm not saying that I know more than you guys, because I'm nowhere in the realm when it comes to writing code etc, I just wouldn't know where to start. I'm simply hosting a p2pool node near westhash for people who would like to rent from there to mine on p2pool and need a node that's close since latencies are very important on p2pool.

And I do agree that it's possible that nice/westhash has block withholders even though I can't prove it either even after spending 877btc using their service, in time of bad luck it always makes you wonder.

https://blockchain.info/address/3PvtPj8Zk2fGTjKfSNjjbxMGVfi6U52GW8

However I do disagree that changing the address that I'm mining to won't affect my luck whether that is for the better or worse.

Here's why. If I mine to the same address I can expect some very lucky blocks and some very unlucky blocks, I don't remember if it was Kano or CK who said that after 100 blocks you should be at or near 100℅, I think it was Kano who said that when he was taking about nicehash withholding blocks. But one of those two said that before.

So, with that said, if nicehash isn't withholding blocks then I can expect very close to 100℅ return after 100 blocks mining to the same address, doesn't it make sense then that if I change addresses after each block is found that after 100 blocks my average could just as likely be 0 as it could be 1000? And that it will be determined partly by my luck as to which addresses I picked and at what time I chose to use them?

No it doesn't make sense.

You understand luck right?

luck

noun
1.
success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one's own actions.

verbinformal
1.
chance to find or acquire.

yes, I do understand luck. Let's say it should take an average of 300 billion hashes to find a block, and you've been mining to one address and have thrown 3 trillion hashes at it trying to find a block and don't succeed. I can almost guarantee that if you had thrown those 3 trillion hashes at another address in the same time period that you would have solved at least one block if not several while with the other address you didn't.

So it is possible to change your luck, not predict your luck, but change it, yes you can.

How is this so hard to understand!?!

Take a look at any block that has ever been found then change the address that found the block and you no longer have a block. So if the person that found that block had changed his address to another one prior to finding it then he wouldn't have found the block that he would have changed his luck for the worse.

If I'm going to rent 6ph I could point it all at one address or I could use 600 addresses with 10ths each.
One day one method will work out better in my favor and on another day the other method would have worked better therefore I can change my luck

Clearly you don't

No you can't.

Glad to see nothing has changed while I took my very extended break from Bitcoin

OK Kano, I take it back...  Your obviously not as intelligent as I thought. Yes you can take ck's code and make your own pool but you obviously don't understand how an address is used in finding a block. If you think you do then please explain, I'd love to hear your answer.

Take the infamous 666℅ block that you had on your pool last year. Now try and tell me that had you been mining to an address other than yours during that time span with the the same amount of hashpower that it would be impossible to have found a block and thus changed your luck! Since you like to cherry pick, go ahead and cherry pick this paragraph and try to ignore the fact that I'm rightn. Tell me it would have been impossible. Go for it!

This is getting ridiculous that all you legendaries insist that changing the address that your mining to can't affect your luck!

Crazy that Kano runs a pool and has reached legendary status yet doesnt even know how Bitcoin mining works, but I guess you don't have to understand it to run a pool.

Simple, changing the coinbase will change the luck - yes.
How will it change it? No idea - it's "pseudo-random luck".
It can make it better or worse. It's "pseudo-random luck".
Every piece of work sent out has different transactions in it - that also changes the luck.
How will the transactions change the luck? No idea - it's "pseudo-random luck".
It can make it better or worse. It's "pseudo-random luck".

You do not understand luck.
No you can't guarantee anything.

finally you make sense! Is this not what I've been saying the whole time lol

And for the record I didn't say I could guarantee, I said I could almost guarantee :)

Statistically, you should have found 10 blocks given your scenario.  You didn't find any.  Is it possible?  Yes.  However, it is extremely unlikely.  In fact, if you calculate the CDF, you will see just how small a chance a 1000% block is.

Looking at the next argument of changing the address that found the block, I'd like to get some clarity.  What are you talking about?  What do you mean by "the address that found the block"?  There is no record in the blockchain of the miner who found that block.  Sure, a pool might put their name in the coinbase transaction message (in fact, most do), but nowhere in the block itself does it say, "this block was solved by jonnybravo0311".

For the sake of the discussion, I'll assume you mean you're going to change an address in the coinbase transaction.  If this is the case, then your statement about the same hash not solving the block is completely accurate.  It's why the statement, "boy I sure wish I were solo mining" when people find a block on a pool is just silly.  That same hash would NOT have solved the block in any scenario except for the exact one in which it did.

This brings us to your conclusion that you've changed your luck by manipulating the contents of a block.  No, you absolutely have not.  6PH is 6PH.  What the contents were when the hash was calculated has no bearing on your luck.  Either the hash worked with that set of transactions and the block was added to the chain, or the hash didn't work and no block.

As I wrote in my first reply in this thread, there's no secret sauce.  It is what it is. :)

When mining on solo.ckpool.org each miner gets a unique coinbase with their address so yes that is the case.

Yup.  I'm aware that on your solo pool, you can in fact determine the address of the block finder (it's the one that's not your address ;D).  However, to know that, you still had to do some deduction, or you used one of the block explorers and let that tool do the work for you.

In some cases (like yours) you can very easily determine who mined the block by doing some simple analytics.  However, in other cases, that information is just not available.  Yes, I know that kano's pool solved block 444154.  I certainly do not know which of the miners on his pool submitted that hash.  Same on p2pool... one of those 154 addresses in the coinbase transaction of block 443907 found the block... but unless I'm subscribed to the p2pool channel in IRC, I have no clue which one it was.

Anyway, thanks for correcting my blanket statement :)

No you can't "almost"
It's zero.

Really Kano!?! This I can guarantee, if I threw 3 trillion hashes at your pool over the next two weeks and your pool didn't find a block you would claim with absolute certainty that I was witholding blocks based on CDF calculations and would not pay out any rewards to me when another miner finds a block, and you'd most likely ban my IP address. That I can say with certainty.

Also if you agree with this statement from johnybravo:
"Statistically, you should have found 10 blocks given your scenario.  You didn't find any.  Is it possible?  Yes.  However, it is extremely unlikely.  In fact, if you calculate the CDF, you will see just how small a chance a 1000% block is."
Then how can you deny my argument that I can almost guarantee that I'd have found a block with a different address in the scenario your referring too?


Why don't you go work on doing something good for the Bitcoin community like working with CK on segwit instead of wasting your time making yourself look ignorant here? (Not that he needs your help)

Or are you instead going to wait until segwit is adopted and then take a free ride on CKs hard work!

I see where the confusion was now. Yes when I said the address your mining to, I meant the address used for the coinbase transaction, not the username for the pool your mining with or the pool URL.

To my knowledge on any other pool besides solockpool and p2pool you can use any user name you want and yes you are right changing my user name would not affect luck in any way whatsoever on any pool besides solockpool or p2pool.

Sigh, so the issue is that you still don't understand the simple basic fact about mining.
Each hash is pseudo-random and effectively unrelated to the previous due to the sha256 hash.
Doesn't matter what address you use or what colour underwear you wear.

There's no known 'other' calculation that will pre-determine the expected result of one hash from the previous.
That's why block finding is called 'luck'. It follows the well known poisson distribution.
Here - learn something that you clearly do not understand (about luck) here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_distribution

If you had an address that hit the statistical figure matching expected withholding (that you clearly have no idea even what that is) and you actually weren't withholding, then the next hash could find a block. Just as likely as any other hash, no matter what address was being used or what was in the coinbase. They have no predetermined expected result. None. Zero. Nada.

You can look using hind-sight and see what happened, but even that will have ZERO effect on the future.

Withholding is unrelated to that.

What matters on my pool, is that the miners aren't ripped off ... like slush did.
If someone mines and reaches any of the statistical bad luck limits I set, I will do something about that.
e.g. withhold payouts, block their mining, contact them etc ... in fact I contact them well before that as I have on a number of occasions.

No I wont blindly let the miners on my pool get ripped off as you are suggesting I should.

As for segwit - well firstly it may never happen - damn shame :D
Secondly, no I wont be using -ck's changes (that are not public so I haven't even seen them) if segwit ever activates, I'll be doing them myself - oh dear :)

you never answered the question "Take the infamous 666℅ block that you had on your pool last year. Now try and tell me that had you been mining to an address other than yours during that time span with the the same amount of hashpower that it would be impossible to have found a block and thus changed your luck! Since you like to cherry pick, go ahead and cherry pick this paragraph and try to ignore the fact that I'm rightn. Tell me it would have been impossible. Go for it!"

Care to tell me it would be impossible? No? Then yes, changing the address im solomining to can have an effect on how soon I find a block. End of discussion.

Jeez, what a heated discussion. This post was to inform people of a low latency p2pool node in San Jose for those who wish to rent hashpower from westhash to mine on p2pool and who don't want to set up their own node.

At any rate I'm not going to fill this post going back and forth with you over this, you made a false statement and are trying as hard as you can to save face.

What you clearly don't realise or understand is that I keep answering your question over and over.

I give up.

Your wasting my time - and for what reason I've no idea other than you just don't understand the statistics and probabilities of mining.

In bitcoin, you can't change the past, and you don't know what effect changing something will have in the future. End of discussion.

You actually never answered my question, is it possible or not?

The answer is either yes it would have been possible or no it would not have been possible.

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Perhaps I can simplify it for you a bit.  You keep bringing up the 666% block.

For those hashes, statistically you would have expected to find 6 blocks.  It simply does not matter if the coinbase transaction distributed the block reward to address 1, address 2, address 3, ..., address N, or to all of them (like in p2pool).

What would have happened had you been mining to address 2 instead of address 1?  You would have expected to find 6 blocks.  That's it.  Changing the address(es) in the coinbase transaction has no bearing at all on those expectations.

I hope that helps to clarify it for you :).

Answer the question Kano! Would it have been possible or not? Yes, or no.

You agree that the coinbase transaction is part of the puzzle right? And every coinbase address is converted to 0's and 1's as part of the puzzle,

https://youtu.be/y3dqhixzGVo

Just like every nonce changes the values, so does the coinbase address.

It's simple!

How is this so hard to comprehend?

"In bitcoin, you can't change the past, and you don't know what effect changing something will have in the future. End of discussion."

Finally you admitted that changing something might effect changing something you will have in the future.
Thank you :)

your right Jonny, it has no bearing on the expectations, but that does not mean that it cannot have an effect on your luck.

If I changed my coinbase address right before I would have found a block to an address that wouldn't find a block for the next N amount of shares, and kept doing this every time my luck was about to change I could possibly never find a block no matter how many trillions of hashes I tried.

Your very first sentence makes an incorrect proposition.  Firstly, you have no idea when you would have found a block.  For discussion, let's assume that you are basing this on expectations, and at 99.999% of expected shares you change the coinbase transaction address.  That very next share has just as much of a chance to find a block with the new block composition as the share before it did on the old block composition.  Changing that address means absolutely nothing.  There is no such thing as "wouldn't find a block for the next N amount of shares."

If you went trillions of shares without finding a block, that's not because you didn't do something like change an address.

Pools are ALWAYS changing the composition of the blocks they are working on.  The work they pass on to the miners is therefore also always changing.

You could stick a different coloured rabbits foot up your arse every time a block was found, or sacrifice a chicken dipped in green food dye when a 4 day block comes along, or kill fictional characters in an animated japanese film and that would have as much chance on changing your luck as changing your address.

Anything to do with changing the luck of finding a block is purely as superstitious as a gambler wearing his lucky shorts. 

Chicken sounds good.

Block found on p2pool!

https://blockchain.info/block-height/444248

Perhaps it was the mention of chicken? :P

From the timing of when he mentioned it, it looks like that may very well be a possibility, appears to have happened within minutes of biffa mentioning it... Thanks biffa!

There's the secret sauce! And I thought that only worked on Kano's pool!

Its not because of the chicken, its because I can't sit comfortably right now.

I just thought of something.

The op has said he had better luck when he rented 10th

He may be correct.

Here is why  a 10th rental  most likely does not have an s9 involved  since most s9's at at least 11th.

Kano has some stats that show the older s9's suck and have really bad luck.

If old s9's suck and have bad luck due to code.  then renting in 10th sections will be better.

but nicehash now forces you to rent in 50th blocks soany chance of avoid an s9 is no longer possible.

So after my rentals finish with nice hash I will no longer rent with them.

Unless they allow 10th rentals again.

All people should not rent from nicehash and 256 hash unless 10th size is allowed.

So the op very likely  has found  back door proof that the older s9's have shit code.

Very interesting theory! I think it's sucks myself that they raised the minimum limit to 50th, I don't think me stopping renting from them would make them change their policies though as their is always someone willing to rent their hashpower even at 150 to 200℅ of expected return, there is always that idiot that likes to throw away their money.

I hate to admit it but I think me renting 600 orders at 10th each might have been the reason they changed it in the first place.

Even though I had an unlucky streak at the end i had several shares that came extremely close to finding a block, one of them even came within 1 billion of meeting the difficulty, ouch, that one hurt!

Wishing they'd lower their limit back to 10th!

yeah you may have taxed his servers down it.  but you did pay a small fee on every order  I think 0.0001

And you may have had the better luck with them  since the  s-9's are 11th to 14th

So my rentals will end with them as of today.

Maybe you should make a post on their thread to let them know that your not going to rent from them anymore and the reasons why.

Looking at the graphs today, it looks like it's currently my 10 orders from nicehash of 50th each, and a miner with 2th Mining on this node.

A few other miners mined for a few minutes with low hashrates under 1th who quickly left and I assume it's because the difficulty that is served to miners is pretty high since the node has a high hashrate.

I played around with p2pool a little when I first started mining a few years ago, but there weren't any places to rent from back then and after my first solo block on solo.ckpool.org I lost interest in p2pool for a few years.

Now that I have renewed interest in it and am able to rent hashpower in large quantities I am able to do more testing and research on it to better understand and fine tune my node.

With p2pools current hashrate a valid share needs to be around 1.2m but since my node is large compared to others the difficulty for a share on my node to be accepted by the other nodes in p2pools network is currently 30 times higher than it is on the smallest nodes.
Of course each share found on my node does have more weight than a share on the smaller nodes so it doesn't effect variance too much unless your a low hashrate miner on this node.

Currently with 10th, expectations are about 5 shares per day so variance is pretty good, you might find 7 today and three tommorow, but since the expectations for p2pool to find a block is currently on average of every four to five days, you should always have shares that are on the sharechain so that you get a reward from every block.

Looking at the only miner besides myself with 2th, I assume it's zed, he should expect to find about 1 share per day on my node, whereas if he set up his own node or mined on another node that was smaller he should expect to find shares more often although they carry less weight than when found on my node.

Looking at his chart, it looks like he found two shares his first day mining on my node which were paid because a block was found, but over the last three days no shares have been found with 2th. It appears those shared have now expired so hoping that your able to get another share before the next block is found.

If you want to find a smaller node you can look at p2pool.info and find a node with low latencies and better than average effeciencies.

My effeciency rate is currently 90% which I'm not happy with at all and am going to do a restart to see if I can get latencies lower and decrease stales/doa's

One other important note, when I restart my node any shares you have are safe because all nodes in the network have a record of all valid shares whether my node is on or offline. If you have valid shares when a block is found you will receive your rewards.

Edit: node restarted

That is indeed my 2th machine. When I pointed the miner at your node I started looking at p2pool stuff, and am, in fact setting up my own p2pool node.

I have set up a full bitcoin node which is in the process of syncing now, but seems to be taking forever or at least longer than I thought it would... When the sync completes I will start the p2pool node and point my miner at it. We'll see how that goes.

That's great zed! Also congrats on getting a share again! Crossing my fingers p2pool finds a block before it drops off the sharechain :)

yeah, looks like I got shares from ~6:30am - 9:30am (EST) when it looks like all of your miners had stopped. There was another break that looks like ~6:15pm - 8:00pm (EST) where I got a few more shares.

That is correct, when my orders were outbid and my miners stopped hashing on this node, you were the only person left mining, thus the difficulty decreased exponentially.

Notice how when you found a share shortly after midnight while my orders were running again, that you were awarded ALOT more for that share than the shares you found while you were the only one mining on the node :)

The reason for this is that the other nodes raise the difficulty for my node when my rentals are working so they aren't bogged down with shares from my node.

But when shares are found on my node when the rentals are working they carry more weight and thus pay more than if you were on a node with less hashrate.

You can actually help the miners on your node.  Right now, you are relying upon the node to determine the share difficulty it will accept.  Standard p2pool code will base the difficulty on the combined hashing power at the node.  When there is a great disparity (like yours), the smaller miners are subjected to a much greater variance.  Sure, each share found is weighted higher, but the larger variance means the small miner might miss out on payments because they don't have any of the heavily weighted shares on the chain.

The solution is easy, and is something you can do to help.

P2Pool allows a miner to determine his own share difficulty.  This will override the node's setting.  You implement this by using a "/" at the end of your BTC address.  For example, if you want the node to only accept shares from you above 100,000,000, then you would put the following as your username:
This way the other, smaller miners on your node aren't penalized.  The node won't count your hash rate in the calculations of share difficulty.  Now, the smaller miners will find more, less-weighted shares, and you will find the more heavily-weighted shares.  Everyone wins.

Currently each of my miners are set up like this:
Btcaddress+135000

I did this because when I am outbid on nicehash and my orders go dead, the work difficulty is lowered. Sometimes it gets so low that when my orders come back online the pool has been disconnected because difficulty is too low.

The only way I know how to fix that is to set the difficulty like I am currently.

I wonder if using btcaddress/difficulty would have the same effect as btcaddress+difficulty to keep my pool connection to nicehash live and also to reduce variance for the smaller miners?

I'll give it a try on Monday and see how it affects the node.
Currently after my latest adjustments from the oter day it looks like the effeciency is doing alot better than before but I want to run it a little longer to see if it is just a coincidence or not.

By the way, block found https://blockchain.info/block-height/444907 :)

Edit: went ahead and changed them to BTCaddress/27000000 on 9 of them and left one of them at btcaddress+135000 so as to try and keep the pool connection live with nicehash.

Will see how it effects efficiency if at all but also to see how it affects the smaller miners. Again thanks for the input Jonny :)

Thanks Jonny. That's pretty cool, and good to know.

I have not had time to dig into the P2pool code yet, but may have some time now that the holidays are upon us.

My pleasure... I ran p2pool nodes for a few years :).

You can use them in conjunction with each other... like:

The "+" is for your stats.  There are a number of old threads where the value of using it is debated.  My opinion is that it only helps smooth out hash rate graphs on the node.  The lower you set it, the more "pseudo shares" the node recognizes as valid work, and the smoother your hash rate appears on the graphs.  Those lower diff shares don't get added to the share chain (unless of course they satisfy the share chain diff).  The downside of this is that you are flooding the node with a whole boatload of useless information. 

The "/" actually helps the node for the reasons I mentioned in my previous post.

Got it :)

Changed all my workers to BTCaddress/27000000

Will see how it does. Thanks again, very helpful information!

I know the prohashing forums have also mentioned symptoms from nicehash of abnormally low 'luck' describing how shares that found blocks were not submitted

https://forums.prohashing.com/viewtopic.php?t=968&start=10

It's possible... Who knows ??? In the past few weeks I've more than tripled my BTC renting hashpower yet none of the blocks have been found with my rentals. Of course I haven't spent enough to have expectations to have found a block yet either...

update... Doing this did not affect zeds difficulty. He was able to find a few shares when my rentals went dead for a short while, but doing this does not appear to lower difficulty for smaller miners on my node.

Maybe a smaller miner who wants less variance can set it up with his miner to get shares more frequently. Although who knows which one will pay off bigger, could go either way.

Zed: maybe you should try btcaddress/3000000 to reduce your variance. Especially since my rentals come on and off due to being outbid. It may work out better for you.

Did Zed try doing just the opposite?  Setting up his worker as BTCADDRESS/1 or something (that setting will force minimum difficulty shares, not actually diff 1)?  Also, I know there was a p2pool fork that had difficulty determined by individual workers, not by the node itself.  I forget who wrote it...

The whole point of the "/" parameter was to prevent exactly what's happening on your node... where one very large miner effectively shuts out small miners.

For example, looking at p2pool log data from when I last ran a node (yeah, I still have those old logs :P):

The "Difficulty" comes from using the "+" parameter.  The "Share difficulty" comes from using the "/" parameter.  In the case above, I used "BTCADDRESS+500".  Since I didn't use the "/", that worker's difficulty was calculated to be the share chain difficulty.

To determine the share difficulty, the code checks to see if you've passed in a value using the "/".  If not, it'll determine it based your node's hash rate vs the total p2pool hash rate and compare that to the minimum share difficulty to get a share on the chain.  If lower than the minimum, it'll use the minimum.  Else, it'll use the value obtained from the comparison.  However, if you do pass something in "/", it'll use that value (unless it's lower than the minimum share difficulty, in which case it'll use the minimum).

By doing these calculations, p2pool as a whole tries to prevent a single actor from flooding the share chain.  However, by providing the ability to override it, I'm not sure how effective a strategy it really is.  Hence the numerous debates we had in the past :).  On the one hand, p2pool tries to ensure no one actor can adversely dominate the chain.  It does this by increasing the share difficulty on the node to compensate.  This works great if every miner runs his/her own node (which is truly how p2pool was envisioned to be utilized).  However, on the other hand, it fails when you have multiple differently sized miners on a single node.  Now the poor small guy gets to suffer some pretty nasty variance because the share difficulty is far larger than the hash rate would warrant.

The "official" solution was to offer the "/" parameter, so that all miners on a node could manually override the node's set difficulty.  As I pointed out earlier, this means a non-scrupulous actor with a comparatively large hash can override to use a minimum share difficulty and flood the chain.  Eventually, the entire p2pool network catches up, though and the overall minimum share difficulty is raised to match the new larger hash rate.

That last sentence is yet another area we've debated countless times, and exposes the largest flaw in the p2pool design: the more hash rate the pool gets, the more variance the miners suffer.

In a typical pool setup (like my pool), the more hash rate the pool gets, the less variance each miner sees.  This makes miners happy because they get statistically closer to the expected daily payouts the online calculators show.  in p2pool, the more hash rate, the higher the minimum share difficulty, and the fewer shares you'll have on the chain to be paid.

In an extreme example, imagine all the network was on p2pool.  The current diff is 310,153,855,703.43, which translates into one block every 600 seconds.  P2Pool strives to get one share every 30 seconds.  Therefore, if every miner was on p2pool, the minimum share difficulty to get a share on the chain would be 15,507,692,785.1715.  Imagine that.  An S9 would take about an expected 55 days to even get a single share on the chain.  Talk about variance!  Using that same example, let's assume every single miner was on my pool.  A block would be found every 600 seconds.  The miner with the S9 would make a consistent 0.01135BTC a day.  Yes, I purposefully ignored luck factors in the two examples.

That makes sense, man it can get pretty complicated, so another thing I noticed was when I used btcaddress+150000/27000000 with westhash it completely ignored it and my shares I was submitting were around 42m at the time.

I then thought about "the unscrupulous actor" as you mentioned previously and didn't want to flood the chain with my shares so I changed my orders on westhash to BTCaddress/50000000 and again it ignored it.

When I tried btcaddress/27000000 then I was submitting shared at 27m, but not wanting to flood the chain again I changed it back to just my btcaddress only.

Where I see the biggest concern is that if zed for example doesn't set his own share difficulty then it might take a day or three days to finally get a share on my node, but if my orders go dead before he finds the share and the nodes share difficulty drops to match his hashrate then he would effectively been mining for free for a few days.

So I would suggest either setting up his own node, mining on a smaller node or setting his own share difficulty as you mentioned since his hashrate is so small compared to what the total hashrate is on my node.

Found my first block on p2pool!

Phew, that was an unlucky one for sure.
https://blockchain.info/block-index/1442263/0000000000000000024f24ac1bdbdab45e676d1e08e62c0d249897df73ef67bb

Hey PublicP2Pool node.

I'm currently running a test node on some old hardware here

http://81.131.94.77:9332/static/

I should have a decent rack server come Tue / Wed this week that can go into the Server room at work with my Miners on the same sub net in the same building.

I want my own node to mine to (approx 34 th/s) but I'll also make this a public node.
I have a much better internet connection at work (leased line) and faster routers and switch.

If I need a little help with trimming the settings on the node any chances you can offer me some help please?

I'll work through the P2Pool guide on the forum first but would appreciate any help to get me up and running.
I'm kind of hoping that running my own node next to the Miners should take my latency really low, but then I need to trim bitcoind and P2Pool to get the shares out quick before they orphan.

Nice amount of hash you keep chucking at the pool by the way!

Looks like your node is running good as it is.

No incoming connections though. Are you forwarding your port?

Yes, ive got 8333, 9332 and 9333 open in the fire wall and port forwarded straight to the box.
Ive been reading and working through the post here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=153232.0
Just wont accept any incoming connections.
Ive also passed --max-conns 10 --outgoing-conns 6 over to P2Pool but it never seems to connect more than 4 during running.

Thanks for taking a look, I did some more adjustments yesterday dinner time which seem to have improved on the node.
Pretty much now I might as well wait until the new server arrives and I can get it loaded and running at the office.
This node is pretty much just a learning curve.

Thanks again!

Hmm, feel an idiot somehow 9333 got lost in iptables.
Ive corrected this so hopefully 9333 should be open to the network now.

EDIT
Yes, getting incoming connections now.

Ummm, so what is the technical difference between the + and /?

The "+" is pseudo shares.  The node will accept shares at this difficulty from your miners.  The lower the value, the smoother the hash rate graphs become.  No value otherwise, and increases the network traffic.  Basically, you are overriding the variable difficulty set by the node with your own static difficulty setting.
The "/" is share chain shares.  The node will only submit shares to the chain at the given value or higher.  Even if a share meets the minimum share difficulty, the node won't submit it unless it also meets the target difficulty set by you.

The Battle of Thermopylae

It's going to be a bloodbath!

I changed my strategy this morning, wish me and everyone else on p2pool luck!

I allocated enough to mine to each of my 10 addresses with 300th each, or 3ph total for approximately 24hours.

Be warned if your mining on any other pool besides p2pool over the next 24 hours! That is ten army's of Spartans you'll have to deal with otherwise!

Come join us, or be defeated lol

Good effort
But I think it will be a drop in the ocean.
I hope I'm wrong  ::)

Unfortunately you were right, but luckily a few hours after my rentals ended someone else found a block :)

https://blockchain.info/block-height/443907

which is showing as orphaned Block is good.  :D

edit: changed block state

Don't scare me like that zed   ;)

I did post the wrong block anyways, lol
https://blockchain.info/block-height/446585

I have been using the + option on my S7-LN miners for several months now. I found that without a constant share difficulty, I would get a cold board that would stop hashing every few hours. I am not really sure why the variable share difficulty was causing the board temperatures to fall below 52C, but now it only happens every few weeks.

Wow zed! You've been kicking ass finding shares the last day, extremely good luck! Now hopefully p2pool finds a block while all those shares are still valid in the sharechain!  ;D

Yes, it would seem that the S7LN likes the +4096 I added to my btc address. It settled right down and has been happily hashing away. Aside from a pre-snowstorm power outage yesterday by my local power company, all has been well.

I live in North Carolina and they are forecasting 7-12 inches of snow to fall by the time the storm ends tomorrow (saturday, so I guess that means later today given what time I am posting this on the east coast). In North Carolina anything more than a dusting causes mayhem and panic. I grew up in Massachusetts and lived in New Hampshire for a few years so snow doesn't bother me. Native North Carolinians? Well, this:
http://abc11.com/archive/9430947/

Cheers,

- zed

Any suggestion for a + figure for an S7 and an S9.

I finally got my new node running on a pretty quick rack server, and its sitting on an Ethernet leased line at work, rather than my crappy home broadband.
Im still tweaking at the moment and the node restarts start the miners off from scratch again so a + figure (or method to work it out) would be appreciated.

Got a domain name as well now so take a look or give it a try (latency dependent) i guess.  ukp2pool.uk:9332

I personally use +2048 on my S7-LN. I would use around +4096 for an S7 and +8192 for an S9. You could easily bump those up to +8192 and +16384 respectively and everything would be fine as well.

Thank you very much sir.
Ill bash these in now and see what happens.

I cant get my head around the + thing just yet .......

OK so I finally figured it out in my head.

On my Antminer Status Pages.
My S7's had settled after 3 hours at 9.15K Diff, with the actual being 9152 over on the Right Hand side, LSDiff box.
My S9's had settled after 3 hours at 16.4K Diff, with the actual being 16384 over on the Right Hand side, LSDiff box.

Im sure that LSDiff is the difficulty last sent to the miner by the pool.

So for now I simply went +9152 on the S7's and +16384 on the S9's.
On a restart they get straight down to business at 9.15K and 16.4K respectively.

Ill see how this affects things over the next couple of hours.

So as in2tactics suggested, those upper figures are sweet.
Thanks again.

Wow! Yeah, they definately don't know how to drive in snow!  :o

That and they just don't have the equipment to deal with it.  I remember a few years ago being on a project in Research Triangle.  I flew in on Monday morning and it was snowing.  I rented a car and drove to the client's office.  Parking lot was empty.  Headed into the office and the only one there was a security guard.  He asked why I was in the office and said it was closed due to the snow.  OK... I took off and went to the hotel.  The next day, I went back to the office.  Parking lot empty again.  Same security guard sees me and says the office is still closed.  I asked him why and he said because of the snow.  The snow?  It had snowed about 2 inches the day before.  Barely even noticeable.

By the third day, things were still not open.  I heard horror stories about how roads were closed and it was like a state of emergency.  This was from 2 inches of the stuff.  Being from NH I was completely unfazed by it, but everyone there talked of it like the apocalypse had happened.

Speaking of the white stuff... gotta go out and get the snowblower running.  Got a few inches to clear from the driveway :)

They call an inch of snow a "snowpocalypse" here in the northwest, lol

Looks like we may have a snowpocalypse today!

What part of NH? I used to live in Greenville, and have friends that live in Francestown, Derry, Manchester, Amherst, and Keene.

I grew up in Bedford and Manchester.  I haven't lived in NH for years, though.

Yeah, It's been over 16 years since I moved.

Back on topic: Thanks for the info about how "+" and "/" work with p2pool when added to the btc addresses. My S7LN has been much happier since I added +4096.

Did you utilize the / feature as well?

Wasn't able to get that to work for whatever reason. None of the shares were accepted when I used it. Seems to be OK though. Changing the diff works great.

Hey PublicP2poolNode.
Im giving your strategy a quick trial.
I think (rather hope) that the pool might grab a block in the next day or so.
Ive just managed to rent 50TH to throw at a node over in the states.
If this can get some shares in the next 12 hours and we get a block after that, hopefully it might work.
Wish me luck.

The dice have been rolled... :P Good luck!

Good luck.  Because that's what it is: luck.  There is no strategy.  The future cannot be predicted.  There is no such thing as "the pool is due to hit".  We all wish that were the case, but a pool that has 1% of expected shares has just as much of a chance that the next share is a block as a pool that has 1000% of expected shares.

Always fun to gamble, though because you might hit the big one :).

as long as a block is found within approximately three days since you start the rental you should at least get what you spent on the rental back + or - a little bit depending on your personal luck at the time as well. At any rate, good luck!

Hopefully we hit two or more blocks in the next three days :)

Where did you rent from and which node did you choose? If you don't mind me asking.

I've rented from https://www.miningrigrentals.com/.

I tried a 50th rental and it was a disaster.
Started off on a USA node then I think some how I got banned from the node.
Maybe because I just thrashed the guys node with 50th, he maybe firewalled me out.
He was only running a small amount of g/h so I think I spoilt his private party.
Then went to P2Pool.org out of sheer panic.
Then the rental broke down and went off line so I got a refund in the end.
20 minutes of hell for my first ever rental.

So next I got 20 th from Germany and Aimed it straight at my own node in the U.K.
Then 2 hrs later sent another 19 th from Germany to my node.

My node is holding out exceptionally well (75th) so I'm pleased with the current result.

I've looked at the time between blocks and just rolled the dice and gone "now".
As you say, if the shares stay in the chain long enough then hopefully payout rises.
Again assuming the rentals find shares.
It's just picking the time to ramp up then for the pool to get the block, assuming it does.

As you said the other day, changing things could have a bearing on luck so let's see.
If this kind of guess prediction works I might have the guts to rent a couple of ph for 24 hrs and see what that does.
Stealing your ideas.

Hope that works out for you... I think I'm done with several PH orders for a while. I can't stand it when I've been mining for a long time with a few PHS and then get outbid by someone....

That's the problem with the NH model - there's no guarantee of when you'll actually be hashing.  MRR takes the opposite approach.  You get a known timeframe of hashing which cannot be outbid.  You pick the rigs you want and the time you want them.

I've not tried NH infact this was my first rental.
MRR worked but the hash rate was under advertised.
I read every rental gets checked after and reviewed on completion so hope I get a bit back.
All my rentals just finished so now we need that block.....

I've not used MRR for quite some time so things may have changed.  However, when I did use them, there was a method by which the renter/seller could communicate directly with each other to try and rectify any hash rate discrepancies - typically the seller would add some time to the end of the rental to make up for the discrepancy.  Also, MRR support tickets were very quickly answered.  If you haven't already, I'd suggest opening a support ticket with MRR so they can evaluate the advertised vs actual hash rates for you.

OK I'll log in now I'm home and check.
Thanks for the advice.

https://blockchain.info/block-height/448029

Another stubborn one  :-\

Nice one, 2 hrs after my rentals ran out.
Very good one for me you couldn't have timed it better!

 Not a very good strike  :-[
 I think i didn't profit anything only stress  :'(

That was a tough one was hoping for it 4 to 5 days ago.
Next one could be much better but I'm laying off rentals for a few days now.

Yay! Another block less than two hours later!

https://blockchain.info/block-height/448035
 ;D

Now that was nice to wake up to especially with most of my shares in the chain.
That makes this last week a very successful happy week!

Now to try and work out when to drop some rental Hash back on again.

If only you could always time it like that!

Dare I call it luck?

LMAO, I would say it was lucky that you started your rentals when you did and that they ended when they did, and I'd also say it was lucky that I tripled my hashpower three days before as well, but I'm half terrified of the backlash I might get if I try and say that had any effect on my luck or yours.  ;)

I dunno, kinda like "The Mining Games," in which case "Happy mining. And may the odds be ever in your favor."

I hope so! I'm hoping for a long run of lucky blocks coming our way, yet I'm scaling back down to around 450TH for a little while.

Seems like whenever I get too greedy the block gods withhold them from me to make me realize I'm just a mortal.

This last week was pretty scary! Luckily it turned around and I actually came out alive.

It was indeed a pleasant surprise to see two blocks/deposits pop up so close together after an almost 10-day stretch with no block(s). Hopefully it's back to "normal luck" of 100% plus or minus a little blocks, but with nice fat transaction fees in the blocks...

I have this node set for maxblocksize=970000
Hoping for fat transaction fees as well!

I set aside enough to mine with 450TH for a little over 8 days, crossing my fingers ::)

I think this should give a good salary, not ?  :D

Unfortunately you only decide the size of the blocks your node makes.
P2Pool history shows a very low decentralised average block size so average tx fees are expected to be low also.

what is the average blocksize of p2pool? Anyone know? Would be curious if anyone has any info on that over a specified time span. I noticed myself some small blocks and some larger blocks, but that can also be attributed by the amount of time it took p2pool to find a block since the previous block was found, could it not?

Although my node is set at 970k doesnt mean that I will fill that block if I find it shortly after the previous block is found.

No, there hasn't been a time in the last 18 months where it wouldn't be full no matter how close together the blocks were unless you manually set it lower or were consciously blacklisting transactions. Unfortunately in p2pool the burden of validating and propagating blocks falls on the miner who finds the block and the size and latency of their own node then matters instead of at a regular pool.

It was scary but then randomly everything just went sweet at just the right time for me.

what about these from today?
https://blockchain.info/block-height/448412
https://blockchain.info/block-height/448411
https://blockchain.info/block-height/448410
https://blockchain.info/block-height/448406
This is just a few from the first page I looked at of the most recent blocks, and from some of the largest pools.

So they consciously blacklist or set lower or use some other workaround to try and speed up their block changes. Doesn't mean there aren't transactions to put in there if they allowed it to.

See here:
https://statoshi.info/dashboard/db/transactions

So essentially most if not all pools produce blocks that are not always full, not just p2pool ;)

I hope so :)

Me too :)

You can't say all, but otherwise that's correct, except that the average from most pools is much larger than p2pool.

Here's a block size summary, no idea why p2pool isn't included:
http://data.bitcoinity.org/bitcoin/blocksize/6m?t=l

I wish it was included, i would love to see where it falls compared to other pools, and I congratulate you for having the highest average Blocksize on your solo pool, which I love by the way! Nothing beats the excitement of finding a block via solomining!!!

Although it doesn't give you the average you can clearly see how small the average p2pool block is here:
https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/pool/p2pool

Thanks for the link Kano  ::)

Anyone have any knowledge of somewhere where a person could find out p2pools average luck over more than just the last 30 days?

Is this just because node operators have a low maxblocksize for bitcoind?
Guess to reduce getblocklatency or unsure how to configure at all?

You can't - even for 30 days - coz p2pool has inbuilt higher share loss that has to be accounted for since there's the 'hidden' extra blocks that come from 95% of that share loss.
No one includes it in their luck calculations so you can't actually find a valid luck report for p2pool anywhere.

pleeeeeeze!!! 95℅ of the blocks that are found are from the average of 15℅ stale/d.o.a. shares!?! Lol, that's pretty funny! Tell me another joke, I just can't get enough of your humor R.O.L.M.A.O.

Thinking I'm going to increase my stale/dead shares and find me some blocks!

Bumped up my orders from westhash a little bit...

http://72.5.73.193:9332/static/graphs.html?Week

Don't know why, other than I felt like finding a block sooner rather than later.

Fingers crossed  :P

Stale shares find valid bitcoin blocks on p2pool.

If you use miners that discard stale shares and don't send them to your p2pool, you are literally throwing away blocks.

95% of stale p2pool shares are valid "bitcoin shares" so if they are a block and you don't send them out onto the bitcoin network, then you are throwing away valid bitcoin blocks.
P2pool code does this - once we pointed it out to forrestv long ago :)

Maybe you should read up a little about how p2pool works ...

or maybe you should say it right the first time... Instead of trying to mislead people!

And when did I say that I discard stale shares?  ???

Bumped up my orders again to 3PH before I go to sleep for the night. Will reevaluate whether to bump back down or not when I wake up, depending on whether I get outbid or not on westhash. Going all or nothing for the moment, although this could change at any time.

Mine on p2pool right now!
Let's find a block before Kano.is pool does lol
We are currently at around 50℅ on p2pool and Kano is around 77℅ and he has about ten times the hashpower that p2pool does currently so his pool should find about 10 blocks before p2pool does, but I'm willing to bet it won't...  

Find a node near you! http://poolnode.info

Or point your miners toward my node:

stratum+tcp://:72.5.73.193:9333
Username: yourBTCaddress
Password:x

The nice thing is, if I am unlucky finding a block myself, but someone else finds a block I will be rewarded for my shares, unlike some pool operators like Kano, who has withheld payments from miners who he decides shouldn't deserve a reward because he thinks they should have solved a block based on the amount of shares they submitted. Yet he openly admits that there is no expectations on finding a block after x amount of shares... Boy would I hate to be a large miner on his pool on a bad luck run.

Name one miner on my pool I have held payments from.

The only recent miner that I have withheld payments from is that scammer from Spain who ripped off someone more than 10BTC
I keep blocking his accounts and access to my pool.
... so are you admitting to being him?

Im riding on the back of your rentals. As you kick up the hash rate we seem to find a block quicker.
By me adding around 40 / 50 th to my node as rentals, gives me a very cushy payout.
Feel like im using you some how but hey ho whatever works and earns some coins. :)

Kano, how can I name who you withheld payments from when you never specified who you did it to, only that you did on page two of this thread.

Out of curiosity Robinhood, what did you do with his mining rewards you witheld from the person you mentioned?

let's hope so :)

Looks like I am getting outbid on westhash, going to bump down to 900THs to let other people rent some hash.

One thing I've noticed is you can rent large amounts of hash for shorter periods at reasonable prices, but when you do it for an extended amount of time it makes people angry and they'll be willing to pay sometimes 150℅ of expected rewards to try and make you raise your bid knowing you'll eventually give up and let them continue renting at prices below expected returns.

False. Learn English or get a translator.


Try at least pretending you understand English.
Where did I say I "have" withheld payments anywhere in that?
And of course to top it off, your exact words are:
Yeah clearly you'll say anything, including making up shit, just to make this useless thread get attention.

You still haven't learnt the basic rules about mining, you cannot predict when a block will be found and you cannot earn more with your mystical magical predictions.

Your losses should have given you the blatantly obvious hint by now, that you can't - but like anyone addicted to gambling you won't open your eyes to the facts ... ... ... just one more try :)

You might wanna try learning about statistics also.

This is like your previous post where you simply didn't read my post then posted a stupid reply - try again.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1708997.msg17527812#msg17527812

Kano, you still never answered the question about what you did with the mining rewards you witheld from the miner on your pool that allegedly stole 10BTC from someone else.

Did you give the rewards to the person who was stolen from or did you keep it for yourself?

To sum it up, you've only stolen from other people who have been accused of stealing. Not from people who haven't solved a block when you think they should have. Your just giving warning that you will do so when and if you feel like it. Is that correct or am I still misunderstanding you. Please translate your jibberish.

And I wouldn't say this thread is useless, it's opened my eyes as to why I would never mine on your pool Kano.is

It's pool operators like you who make p2pool so much more appealing. No pool operator gets to decide who deserves to be paid for their work as anyone can be in control of their own node and not have to worry about the operator witholding payments to them.

You aren't in control.
Worse, verifying withholding is happening on p2pool is way more difficult than on a centralised pool.
Anyone mining on p2pool can withhold blocks and you will lose rewards. Aren't you lucky :)
You don't even understand how to detect it. lulz

Your mining on p2pool with a large hash rate and not using "/" was actually driving anyone who understands how p2pool works, away from p2pool.
It's the equivalent of a 51% attack on p2pool and you've done it on multiple occasions.
Yeah you really have no idea what you are doing.

Meanwhile, you have on multiple occasions made false and stupid posts - I don't see you retracting any of that stupidity.
I've wasted too much time posting in this thread - I'm not gonna waste any more of it.

P.S. the BTC is still in the pool, the person is still pointing hash rate at the pool and I keep having to block it.
Sooner or later I'll get around to sending it to the address of the guy who was ripped off.
Oh well, damn shame - and guess what - I'll do it when I feel like doing it.
Ciao.

Actually, I was mining with more than 51℅ of p2pool, that is correct, but that does not constitute an attack as no ill will was done.

Had I used the "/" parameter as you say I should have, and had I set it lower than it should have been related to my hashpower, then it would have been a 51℅ attack.

Why don't you read up on it a little bit Kano.

https://learncryptography.com/cryptocurrency/51-attack

And furthermore anyone can withold blocks from any pool.

 
 When i'm mining at kano.is i never know how much I have to receive it's all very confusing.
 There is no total receivable !

Depending on whether he decides that your worthy of being rewarded for your work or not, there may not ever be a receivable.

It's a dictatorship, not an honest pool where all miners are rewarded for their work. He considers himself to be both the judge and the jury.

I would love to hear more about the person/persons he is referring to that he has deemed unworthy of payout, and I'd also love to hear when and if he actually sends the guys Bitcoin that he has stolen from to the person he is talking about who he believes was stolen from.

My bet is that he keeps it for himself forever and always.
Otherwise why not send the stolen fruits now? He has already banned the guy from hashing away "for free"
So no more free donations will be coming in.

The time is now Kano, you are either Robinhood or you are Smeagle... Which one is it?

Um... you may have some homework to do tbh. the "never" attitude can easily make one a very confused person.

Why ?
Are there any sums of the total mined plot ?
Or is there just a long list of numbers that no one understands ?  ;D

copy-paste-google spreadsheet ;)
total received is in your wallet, unless you don't know what your wallet is.

Perhaps you should do a little more research. I, for one, understand that "long list of numbers" and I'm certain that most others mining on the Kano pool understand them also.
I suppose you might need a pool that does a little more hand-holding.  ;)
Good luck! :)

Dude, seriously, even I am getting tired of your incessant railing against kano's logical arguments. For whatever reason, you simple do not make sense 75% of the time. Many times, I have started a post to refute many of your strange claims, but I have always had someone respond before with more eloquence. Just give it a rest for a few days.

I suppose I could just delete his posts from this thread from now on, like he did the one I put on his thread today.

Or I could just give it a rest for a few days like you suggested and not respond to his posts on this thread.

Since I believe in free speech, I guess giving it a rest for a few days and let him say whatever he wants with no rebuttal is an option as well. Guess I'll do that as long as I can handle it.

hola,

well, I don't think you can do it (because it is not a selfmoderated thread), but you may ask a
modarator to do it for you.

or

start a new "selfmoderated" thread to be master of it.

but I suggest:
just give it a rest for a few years until you understand what he wanted to explain to you.

 For all the unconditional kano supporters who feel hurt in their pride.
 I can only say that he is elitist when he calls tiny miner to an owner of an antminers3 .

No offense buddy but it's time to upgrade.  Do you still use windows 95? Or maybe your still using a bag phone?

You get it right
I use windows 95 ++  ;D 8)

Seeing a spike on p2pool, now over 4PH
Hope they stay for a while.

The only problem you have is you're thinking you're right and some others think you're wrong. Just agree that we don't agree with your logic and move on.

No, you have to came back and argue why you're right and you cannot accept the fact that others will not agree with you.

I will say this: Whatever luck handling you're doing, it worth jack shit. The luck you have from the previous hash and the new one is the same. It's not because you did 500 Billions hash that the next one will be a block, it's the same as the first hash you did. But yeah, I know you want take it. It's fine, I don't really care.

*****

As for Kano, he can moderate his thread as much as he wants.

Kano handle quite well his pool and if you think is stealing any bitcoin you're damm wrong.

Tubexc apparently read jackshit about the pool before he tries it. If he's confused about the payout, he didn't read about PPNLS (https://kano.is/index.php?k=payout)

Tubexc does't understand that he will only mine cents (in bitcoin) for each block we are finding and sending 2 cents and to pay 1 cent of fees for him it's just stupid.

Tubexc should ask question and stop accusing anyone if he doesn't understand what is going on behind what he's doing.


EDIT: Even if i don't care to pay the cent to sent him his 2 cents of bitcoin. Kano decided that would a threshold and he's under it. Why is this SOOOO hard to understand ? You don't like ? Try Bitminter ? You can set a threshold of your choice before he does the payment.

You must not have read his post where Kano admitted to stealing the guys mining rewards. So if I'm wrong about him stealing then he must have lied about doing it.

So which is it, is he a thief or a liar?

Personally I believe he is not lying about taking the guys coins.

Maybe i'm mining cents because i want until i understand the pool

I don't know how much bitcoin he's mining with his fucking S3 but it should be pretty much nothing in a pool of 25P vs 450GH.

The decision making is from that point.

So how much did he lost, 10 cents ? 25 cents ?

That's a hard lesson learned my friend.

25 cents to call someone a liar thief when it's simply a threshold set by the pool's admin.

This is completely ridiculous

You're ignorance makes the admin a thief ?

You don't even know how much you'll make in bitcoin with your S3.

Stop accusing people for your ignorance and start learning what mining is really is.

EDIT: If you're really want to understand how kano's pool work, ask question and read. Did you red the section about the PPNLS ? If you don't understand on the first read, it might be normal. Especially if you're starting with bitcoin and the blockchain technology but be fair, this as nothing to do with kano's been a liar / thief.

Chinese proverb
Never enter into a conversation without knowing its content
PS: I do not even have any S3

That is trolling my friend.

I get to the point, you're running around it.

Whatever you're were mining with, I don't really care.

Keep trolling ... stay dump, it's so easy.

You are confused with who said what.
 tubexc never called Kano a thief, I did. Why don't you read page 7 of this thread if you don't believe me that he stole BTC from a miner on his pool.

Well my bad for this assumption.

Well, 2.77 BTC spent renting hash from westhash to mine ony node last week.

Rented 500TH for a couple days, then 3PH for a little while then 900TH for a few days.

Rentals ran out yesterday.

Have about 1.5 days until my shares are expired.

Crossing my fingers for p2pool to find a block before my shares expire.

Will keep my node open for anyone who wishes to mine on it.

It is running exceptionally well whether I'm throwing 3PH at it and even when I only have one miner using it with 2TH

Hoping that even if my shares expire that enough people use it to justify the monthly payment for the VPS.

If I receive a reward before my shares expire I will rent some more hashpower, if I don't I will keep my node up and running for at least a few months and maybe longer depending on whether enough miners wish to use it.

At any rate I will keep you updated.

I'm thrown some on this last few days but I'll keep a little on as well as my stock farm.
Fingers crossed chance comes out way.

Yes, this has been a drought.
Fortunately I have some btc funds in cloud mining to continue with miningrigrentals (to reduce spending on electricity).
Positive Thoughts  ::)

I believe in you two, flameruk, and tubexc, now go find the block asap  ::)

By the way flameruk, your node looks great too!
www.ukp2pool.uk:9332

I bet it would work well with people who wish to rent from nicehash instead of westhash.

Humm
I don't think so.
My ping request timed out ( from Portugal )
Node must be blocked or firewalled

Tubexc- Can you access the node dashboard from the link?
Try a miner for a few minutes my ping time is wrong at the moment.
Let me know results and I'll work on it.
Looking to improve.

I do run pfblocker and snort at the firewall but I'll check, I don't remember Portugal being blocked.
Edit - Portugal is open by default.
I'm working on ping as the ping time shows badly it's actually a very fast node and connection.
This is the way pfsense handles it not sure how to fix it yet.
If you throw a miner on board however it's a different story!
I've had some USA rental hash this weekend ran a dream even so far away.

If I ever get time I have a block of IP addresses for our network, I'll set the node up to a separate IP and just not firewall it, it can have a public facing IP and I'll handle the rest in Centos on the server.

Done!

It's on line see how you get on and let me have feedback.
Any improvements I can make can only be good for the community!

 Apart from not being able to know how many shares I have in your node.
It seems to me that everything is working well and with good average.
Hope it was a good test!  :)

Yes thanks held up very well.

My shares have fallen off the sharechain.

Taking a break from renting hash.

Will keep my node running for a while in case anyone wishes to mine on it.

I will give advanced notice if I decide to stop running the node in the future.

Best wishes everyone :)

Current round pool luck floats very much.
I've seen round luck at 20% once a few months ago.  >:( [[f9.thumbsdown]]
Best wishes to you too

Do not be discouraged (y)

Im holding in here when our chance comes it will come.
Im also sure when the tide turns we will have a better run for a while.

Would be nice to try and get a few more people to drop onto p2pool for the long term ride.
Im sure lots of people who buy miners don't have a clue how to change pool and think they can only mine at antpool.

Thanks for running the pool. It's been good to me and a learning experience, too. I just migrated my miner to nasty fans.org and as a backup pointed to flamer's node: www.ukp2pool.uk:9332

Cheers,

- zed

Your welcome  :)

Sorry to see you go!

Best wishes!!

Node is still up and running if anyone else wishes to use it :)

Will be shutting down this node in two weeks.