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Is poker a game of skill, or a game of chance? Many times asked question, no one can agree on what a game of poker is. There is studies and court decisions regarding the skill / chance debate, there is couple endless threads on this forum too. But I don't wish to open that discussion again.

For beginning I wish to ask where are you playing, and can we meet on some site?
I like to play on betcoin.ag, cash game on tables 0.05/0.1 and 0.1/0.25 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.

My nickname there is Underworld.

With my experience in poker i can say that poker is a game of skills, why? because even a bad card can win aslong as you have the guts to do bluffs and you're timing is right. I often watch poker live and in my observation those who are skilled always gets to the final table.

We can tell objectively its a game of skill by looking at the good players long term winnings history.  It would be mathmatically impossible for good players to just be lucky over a long run. 

We cant trust court judgements on many things really.  Short term there is luck involved.

I believe poker game is a skill based games since we need to used our brains and talents for us to win on our opponents and luck is just a totally ot little percentage for gamblers to win, abd come to think for it, do you think unskillfull player can win eventhough they doesn't know how to play well in poker and realy only for their luck? Well no surely since they will be surely be swiped out by those veteran players.

Is poker a game of skill, or a game of chance? Many times asked question, no one can agree on what a game of poker is. There is studies and court decisions regarding the skill / chance debate, there is couple endless threads on this forum too. But I don't wish to open that discussion again.

For beginning I wish to ask where are you playing, and can we meet on some site?
I like to play on betcoin.ag, cash game on tables 0.05/0.1 and 0.1/0.25 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.

My nickname there is Underworld.

i prefer the actual game of poker face to face with my friends.

They had or have webcam poker sites where you can get a inbetween version of live/online: https://uk.888poker.com/poker-games/webcam/ Not sure there are any BTC option though and i dont know if these games even still run was a few years back i heard about it.

They had or have webcam poker sites where you can get a inbetween version of live/online: https://uk.888poker.com/poker-games/webcam/ Not sure there are any BTC option though and i dont know if these games even still run was a few years back i heard about it.

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there is couple endless threads on this forum too. But I don't wish to open that discussion again.

Is poker a game of skill, or a game of chance? Many times asked question, no one can agree on what a game of poker is.

For beginning I wish to ask where are you playing, and can we meet on some site?
I like to play on betcoin.ag, cash game on tables 0.05/0.1 and 0.1/0.25 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.
My nickname there is Underworld.

Is poker a game of skill, or a game of chance? Many times asked question, no one can agree on what a game of poker is. There is studies and court decisions regarding the skill / chance debate, there is couple endless threads on this forum too. But I don't wish to open that discussion again.

For beginning I wish to ask where are you playing, and can we meet on some site?
I like to play on betcoin.ag, cash game on tables 0.05/0.1 and 0.1/0.25 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.

My nickname there is Underworld.

At luck games with -EV, you can not win longtherm. Always when you play with -EV, it was luck if you won after a larger number of bets.

If you are a good poker player, you can win longtherm = play with +EV and therefore Poker is definetely a skill game and this totally independent of contradictory court decisions.

If you like to play at betcoin.ag, you would also like to play on skins at the Winning Poker Network (WPN), with an unlike larger cash game and Sit&Go traffic. You will have also the same tournament selection, as betcoin.ag joins the WPN tournaments thru the Winning Tournament Network (WTN).

Is poker a game of skill, or a game of chance? Many times asked question, no one can agree on what a game of poker is. There is studies and court decisions regarding the skill / chance debate, there is couple endless threads on this forum too. But I don't wish to open that discussion again.

For beginning I wish to ask where are you playing, and can we meet on some site?
I like to play on betcoin.ag, cash game on tables 0.05/0.1 and 0.1/0.25 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.

My nickname there is Underworld.

Is poker a game of skill, or a game of chance? Many times asked question, no one can agree on what a game of poker is. There is studies and court decisions regarding the skill / chance debate, there is couple endless threads on this forum too. But I don't wish to open that discussion again.

For beginning I wish to ask where are you playing, and can we meet on some site?
I like to play on betcoin.ag, cash game on tables 0.05/0.1 and 0.1/0.25 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.

My nickname there is Underworld.

Exactly, we play poker against weak players= we have +EV. It is the important way to make money if we choose correct gambling games, aka poker. I like poker because it is the game which has no house edge, we jist need to pay rake to the house, it is better than house edge casino games

Is there any way we can know whether a player is experienced or not in online poker games? If I'm not wrong, we will come to know only when we play the game right? If this question answer is yes then I can say we need some luck to win this game. Otherwise, we may lose money here as well. I don't have knowledge about this game.

Interesting concept, first time I saw and try that on 888, but they don`t accept bitcoins, and for registration there you need to send them picture of ID, credit card, both documents from front and back.


I have experience in poker generally, and there is tournaments on betcoin.ag, and you can play cash table 1 vs 1, what ever you like more. 1 vs 1 is not so easy to play, there is a lot lying, and pushing. 1 vs 1 is similar with end of the tournament, where blinds are high and there is someone who rise all in almost every hand. No matter how experienced player you are, or skilled, in this moments you wait for strong hand ( pair of aces or ace and king) but there is always someone who call with pair of fours and he got one on the flop. I think its very hard to win tournament just with skill.


I didn`t create new endless discussion, someone else did that long time ago. And here no one pay attention on text. Even you ignored my words and started to wrote you opinion about it. People like to wrote here what is easier for them to make some money from campaign.

How come nobody answers my questions but everyone talks about other things.

Is anyone here actually play poker? Tonight at betcoin.ag is nice 250 GTD THANK YOU tournament for people with tickets, will anyone from here be there?

PS: Scam accusation is cause of slots, and some jackpots. I don`t wish to talk about it here, lets talk about poker. Not about is it skill or luck based game, about poker. Can you people understand that?

Check www.sharkscope.com for player statistics, they have huge database for lots of poker sites, and it's one way to see whether player is experienced or not. If you are newbie in poker as you say, i recommend that you check this site also: https://www.pokerstrategy.com, they have useful information and tutorials how to play poker with strategies and all kind of things for new players. Every site has freeroll tournaments so you can play poker for free every day without losing money.

Of course poker is a game of skill, because you can win with bad cards too, why? Because you can make a bluff, and take all wines,) of course you can win via bluff when your partner in the game is without skills

Of course poker is a game of skill, because you can win with bad cards too, why? Because you can make a bluff, and take all wines,) of course you can win via bluff when your partner in the game is without skills

You can cheat many games though which are -ev and win.  Counting cards or match fixing, Its a whole different bracket.  Look at the guy who took primedice for 2k BTC was it?

This is biggest problem in online poker, you don't know who are you playing against. When you join full table, you don't know are you playing against, one player with multi accounts or you are playing against well organized group of players. That's why i like to play big tournaments with lots of players in them, its less likely someone will trick you.

Of course poker is a game of skill, because you can win with bad cards too, why? Because you can make a bluff, and take all wines,) of course you can win via bluff when your partner in the game is without skills

Hard to play when it is online. You cant read the eyes of those you are playing with. So it is really different with real time poker. Tournaments will be better for the table would be full. So your way to win could be by reading the number of cards that will come out. But it will be really difficult also

Just because of this we call now its game of skill and luck both because playing online you have no too many options to show skill so you need some luck also if we playing in any casino then most probably skill works but as you playing online you need luck and skills both

Poker is 100% a game based on skill.

Losing hands can win the game by outplaying the opponent. This is not possible in chance based games.

Is poker a game of skill, or a game of chance? Many times asked question, no one can agree on what a game of poker is. There is studies and court decisions regarding the skill / chance debate, there is couple endless threads on this forum too. But I don't wish to open that discussion again.

For beginning I wish to ask where are you playing, and can we meet on some site?
I like to play on betcoin.ag, cash game on tables 0.05/0.1 and 0.1/0.25 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.

My nickname there is Underworld.

It depends on you when I first started playing poker I thought it would be all luck and just play blindly, but later I started adding numbers, making strategies. I think you should make some good strategies and stick to them, you are trying to do a lot and vary a lot. One important thing is just keep your mind set and trust your cards. Wish you all the very best and hopefully you win tonight.

Honestly I have obeserve how poker is played, and I observed there are phases where the game relies on strategy and pure luck.  Like when u have to draw a card to strengthen your hand, this phase is pure luck,  and when you bluff, call a clock, and other strategies, this is the phase where you use skills or strategy.  But I guess at the end it is the luck that dictates the game.

Nobody answered on my question, who play poker and who is active poker player here? Except comments discussion about is it poker luck or skill based game you didn`t give me the answer I wanted.
Last time I passed Betcoin Daily Coin Satellite - Step 1/3 and 2/3 but like always in step 3/3 I lose, looks like after first two steps I lose concentration. I have new ticket for step 1/3 so I will try again tomorrow.
Tonight is 250 GTD Weekly THANK YOU Freeroll, who will play this very nice tournament? Prizes are good, it`s nice cause there is never more then 15 players, no re-buys, poker for skilled players in my opinion. Until now I had second places, third places and above. Tonight I have some plans but if not this night then next sunday I will try to take first place. Good luck to all poker players!

If no one answered your question, nobody is playing at betcon.ag, obviously?

If you look at the low betcoin.ag traffic with 20 players in average (micro stakes), your change to meet someone here is very low (except shills).

In addition, if someone like to play Winning Poker Network (WPN) tournaments, he better play directly on WPN skins with a huge cash game and Sit & Go traffic included.  ;)

I do not believe that nobody from here plays at betcoin.ag. At this moment 41 players sits on 10 cash tables, and more then 2000 players are playing tournaments.
WPN is something I hear for the first time, can you tell more about it, do they accept bitcoins?
At the moment I play poker just on betcoin.ag, I use to play on 888 but after first deposit I didn`t go there anymore, and even they have awesome promotions, bonuses and other things I wish to play just with bitcoins. Huge cash games are for rich people, I don`t think I`m rich, for me this micro stakes are good.

Is poker a game of skill, or a game of chance? Many times asked question, no one can agree on what a game of poker is. There is studies and court decisions regarding the skill / chance debate, there is couple endless threads on this forum too. But I don't wish to open that discussion again.

For beginning I wish to ask where are you playing, and can we meet on some site?
I like to play on betcoin.ag, cash game on tables 0.05/0.1 and 0.1/0.25 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.

My nickname there is Underworld.

Is poker a game of skill, or a game of chance? Many times asked question, no one can agree on what a game of poker is. There is studies and court decisions regarding the skill / chance debate, there is couple endless threads on this forum too. But I don't wish to open that discussion again.

For beginning I wish to ask where are you playing, and can we meet on some site?
I like to play on betcoin.ag, cash game on tables 0.05/0.1 and 0.1/0.25 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.

My nickname there is Underworld.

Well for me it is a game of skill specially if you are playing in real life I mean if you are facing other player face to face,
but if you are just playing in the website's then I like to consider it as game of chance cause you can't even see what they might do or read if they are just bluffing.

I agree that there is much more information which can be used to check if the opponent is bluffing or if he has the nuts but even online there are a few tells through which you can figure out how the player is and if he's bluffing. The way he played pre flop, on flop, turn and river will help you decide to call in the end or not. Other thing that might help is the time he takes too call, although a little unreliable, it can be a tool in crucial situations. Should also not disregard the fact that you have all details about the opponent in hand history, so that you can look through from time to time just to know how he played the previous hands and feet into on him. Beating people in online poker is a skill in itself. Lost of the people still do rely on luck but if you want to succeed, you have to have the skill coz you cannot get good cards all the time.

Poker is a game of chance and skill. It's a game where you can have some strategy but in the end it's up to chance because you don't know what cards your opponent has. If you fold every hand then you didn't really gamble but if you don't fold very often you're a high risk gambler. If you sick at poker you could still come out on top as long as you fold whenever you have a crappy hand!

I do not believe that nobody from here plays at betcoin.ag. At this moment 41 players sits on 10 cash tables, and more then 2000 players are playing tournaments.
WPN is something I hear for the first time, can you tell more about it, do they accept bitcoins?
At the moment I play poker just on betcoin.ag, I use to play on 888 but after first deposit I didn`t go there anymore, and even they have awesome promotions, bonuses and other things I wish to play just with bitcoins. Huge cash games are for rich people, I don`t think I`m rich, for me this micro stakes are good.

Yes it is a combination of luck and skill it depends also on how you are going to read your opponents move. Online poker is harder to play because you can't see the physical reaction of their faces unlike if you will play poker on a real casino you can have that advantage. But as of now I do prefer to play real poker not online.

Is poker a game of skill, or a game of chance? Many times asked question, no one can agree on what a game of poker is. There is studies and court decisions regarding the skill / chance debate, there is couple endless threads on this forum too. But I don't wish to open that discussion again.

For beginning I wish to ask where are you playing, and can we meet on some site?
I like to play on betcoin.ag, cash game on tables 0.05/0.1 and 0.1/0.25 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.

My nickname there is Underworld.

It is surely both game of skills and luck we both need that most of us disregard the luck ,it is needed contradictly to your opponents luck .i don't play poker online as of now i prefer real casino playing that game. If you are luck theres a good chance for you to get a good card that can make you win with your skills.

In poker, if you don't know the rules you will definitely lose. But you have the skills, like reading your opponent and bluffing then theirs a chance you can win. Even if you are lucky but don't know the rules then you will lost in the long run.

Honestly you doesnt need to learn or have a skill for win, there is only need luck and smart in exploiting the situation, i bet if in previous you ever play poker , there is a moment you win with only have big card.

Not true, even poker is totally based on skill but there is no way you could be sure of your decision when you play even if you are an experienced player and can read your opponent, that is why it is called gambling, if you are in a real life casino then I can tell you that it is not based entirely on luck but online there is no way you could bluff.

Honestly you doesnt need to learn or have a skill for win, there is only need luck and smart in exploiting the situation, i bet if in previous you ever play poker , there is a moment you win with only have big card.

Honestly you doesnt need to learn or have a skill for win, there is only need luck and smart in exploiting the situation, i bet if in previous you ever play poker , there is a moment you win with only have big card.

If you keep doing this on playing poker then you will only lose all your money, skill and experience is needed to play poker. You'll be most stupid poker player ever if only relying on big card as it is not a guarantee you'll win with big card.

Honestly you doesnt need to learn or have a skill for win, there is only need luck and smart in exploiting the situation, i bet if in previous you ever play poker , there is a moment you win with only have big card.

Honestly you doesnt need to learn or have a skill for win, there is only need luck and smart in exploiting the situation, i bet if in previous you ever play poker , there is a moment you win with only have big card.

If you keep doing this on playing poker then you will only lose all your money, skill and experience is needed to play poker. You'll be most stupid poker player ever if only relying on big card as it is not a guarantee you'll win with big card.

Unless you get lucky 1 time and win the WSOP and then drop down to micro stakes for the rest of your career and play terrible haha.

yeah! Luck is the most important factor on poker. even though you have a pretty much experience, it is still depends on luck because you didn't know what are the cards that your enemy holds. I like the bluffing on poker, it is the most enjoyable part the game that's why i love it, you can win even though you are holding the weakest card on the table.

Its still skill as most important factor in my example its just the player dropped down to such a low stake and was so rich due to the 1 time luck win they could never lose all their money even with poor skill.

yeah! Luck is the most important factor on poker. even though you have a pretty much experience, it is still depends on luck because you didn't know what are the cards that your enemy holds. I like the bluffing on poker, it is the most enjoyable part the game that's why i love it, you can win even though you are holding the weakest card on the table.

Poket is great,I really like that game and it's just so intriguing,yeah it involves luck but also psychology and strategy,it isn't like you just gamble and hope for the best,in poker you actually have to rely on your skills first before anything else.

Everybody does it ! Believe me if you say that to playing poker you just need skill well let me say that it might useless cause out there are many unskilled player with big funds out there but when they raise the bet till the limit of the skill player well you'll see they'll (skill player) slide the card and fold fold fold fold and fold except if they get the good card 🃏  :)

i think skill is important factor to play poker, although the luck factor is a must to have, but still we need to have skill to play poker, without having a good skill then i think we can not win with easy. maybe you can say that the good card will come to us if we luck, but from our skill we can modify or make something with our card so we can win without having a good cards.

And also with your opinion I would say in playing poker you don't need skill
You just need a luck
Or you don't need luck but you need to have a large fund and confidence with your brave 😁

Is poker a game of skill, or a game of chance? Many times asked question, no one can agree on what a game of poker is. There is studies and court decisions regarding the skill / chance debate, there is couple endless threads on this forum too. But I don't wish to open that discussion again.

For beginning I wish to ask where are you playing, and can we meet on some site?
I like to play on betcoin.ag, cash game on tables 0.05/0.1 and 0.1/0.25 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.

My nickname there is Underworld.

But in poker it is a mind game not really just about luck, there are plenty of situation where you can play your cards right. Even if you have a royal flush but you cannot get anyone to commit to your bet then there is no point. That is where skills come into play. Even with a shit hand you can still win by bluffing your way to it.

I think no need to require a skill to play poker just that we need to dare to play scare feared opponents in the table with a big bet, it makes me happy to do it :P

but from my friend said we are need skill to play poker because we need to select the cards to be the best cards in our hands and the rest, we need our luck to work in the games. i don't know exactly how to play poker because for me, poker is a difficult games and i can not understand even my friends is telling me how to played. maybe the skill that we should have is something that maybe useful for us to selecting the cards that will be the best cards for us to win the poker games.

I think no need to require a skill to play poker just that we need to dare to play scare feared opponents in the table with a big bet, it makes me happy to do it :P

I would love to play poker with you if we ever meet seems like that you love giving people
free money. ;D

Anyway, playing poker does need skills. If you are playing poker and just scaring your opponents with your
big bets, well, you're just giving them your money. it's may be fun, but it's not fun if you lose bankroll. ;D

It requires skill, general players like us, will never win a cash table in a big tournament, players need to have patience, strong energy, otherwise people can't win the money.

I think no need to require a skill to play poker just that we need to dare to play scare feared opponents in the table with a big bet, it makes me happy to do it :P

but from my friend said we are need skill to play poker because we need to select the cards to be the best cards in our hands and the rest, we need our luck to work in the games. i don't know exactly how to play poker because for me, poker is a difficult games and i can not understand even my friends is telling me how to played. maybe the skill that we should have is something that maybe useful for us to selecting the cards that will be the best cards for us to win the poker games.

Tbh even I never understood how to actually plat poker even though I checked guides , videos and websites but never understood. And also I don't get it if you don't know the rules on how to actually play the game then why do you play it.
I don't think poker is the only game available while gambling just gamble a game of which you know the rules and how to play it.

That is where knowledge and experience comes into play. If you are an amateur poker player don't even think that you can reach the finals of the poker tournament, unless you are a prodigy that can sweep the whole tournament on your first try. Skill and experiences plays a great role in poker, that is why not everybody gets rich from playing poker.

But in poker it is a mind game not really just about luck, there are plenty of situation where you can play your cards right. Even if you have a royal flush but you cannot get anyone to commit to your bet then there is no point. That is where skills come into play. Even with a shit hand you can still win by bluffing your way to it.

This, the real trick with poker is about maximizing your earnings and minimizing your losses, if you got poker by the flop but when you bet everyone folds, then you are doing it wrong, you need to give your opponents the chance to get something going in their hands and that is when you trap them with your winning hand.

The major online poker sites offer varying features to entice new players. One common feature is to offer tournaments called satellites by which the winners gain entry to real-life poker tournaments. It was through one such tournament on PokerStars that Chris Moneymaker won his entry to the 2003 World Series of Poker. He went on to win the main event, causing shock in the poker world, and beginning the poker boom. The 2004 World Series featured three times as many players as in 2003. At least four players in the WSOP final table won their entry through an online cardroom. Like Moneymaker, 2004 winner Greg Raymer also won his entry at the PokerStars online cardroom.

I personally prefer Poker over slots, blackjack and roulette. Just because the liklihood is higher to win if you have good skills and money management strategies. I also like to poker on Betcoin because it is probably the best Bitcoin poker out there with a lot of players.

this is one of those questions that people are never going to come to a conclusion on. i however believe it is so simple, it is a combination of both and the result is only depending on the skills. you have to be lucky to get a good card but it is your skills in the end that is going to save you.


to be honest i have tried many online poker games, but i always end up disliking all of them.
i prefer the actual game of poker face to face with my friends.

If memory serves me right poker is classified as a game of skill, luck plays a role of course, but just by looking at poker in television you will see the same faces winning tournaments and lots of money so it stands to reason that poker is a game of skill.

Well I can relate on what you had said a bit more of it. Because in online games in poker, you cannot do bluffing with your opponents unlike in the actual game of poker face to face you can see their face reaction when you are using bluffing strategy, even you have a bad card hold it. This might most often happened in the midst of the games together with skills and brain.

Well it is going interesting according to where many of us told me that it requires skill
For this like tournament I do agree about it if a player must have the skill it will be different when you at gambling with a large of funds :) in my idea by large funds you can play as you want and of course its you whose own the table :)

Poker is a combination of math, psychology and luck. I would weighting it as 50% math, 30% psychology and 20% luck for very good players. The first two are skills you can learn and constantly improve, so that you can limit the luck to 20% or 1/5. But only if you very good at it. As an absolute beginner the luck is probably 80% of the game and math and psychology are rather 10% each.
5 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.

Well I can relate on what you had said a bit more of it. Because in online games in poker, you cannot do bluffing with your opponents unlike in the actual game of poker face to face you can see their face reaction when you are using bluffing strategy, even you have a bad card hold it. This might most often happened in the midst of the games together with skills and brain.

Online is probably way higher % on math and skill and psychology only comes into play 10%.  Most of the online reads are math based with a little psychology.  Live is different animal.

Poker is a combination of math, psychology and luck. I would weighting it as 50% math, 30% psychology and 20% luck for very good players. The first two are skills you can learn and constantly improve, so that you can limit the luck to 20% or 1/5. But only if you very good at it. As an absolute beginner the luck is probably 80% of the game and math and psychology are rather 10% each.

At online poker you don't just use math. I mean, you use it, but it's not that different than the one you use on live poker. You need to place you opponent on a hand, see your hand and calculate your probability of beating him with your hand considering the cards on the table, and of course the ones you need to further improve your hand. But you do all that in live poker. Either on online or live poker, you must place your opponent on a hand, giving the stats you know about him. You must also consider what your opponent action will be in reaction to what you can do (how he reacts to a bet, or raise, etc etc). All of those things happen in live and online poker. And it gets easier on online, if you have a good tracker software.
I don't believe in those tells that you should try to get from live poker. Yes some players might have them, but they are week players, because any good player will know how to hide them. So all you have is the statistics, but on live poker you do it based on what you remember from that player, and on online poker, you can do it with software.

i think you forgot mentioning the last things to playing poker and that is mentally because poker online or offline you would facing a various opponents and some of them also very brave to risky their money even have bad cards and if you have no good mentally then you will lost even your cards more good rather than your opponents

In the long run (200k++ hands), your knowledge and skill or lack thereof, will be more of a factor than random episodes of luck. Knowledge and skill, combined with proper bankroll management and tilt control will allow you to ride out and overcome extended periods of bad variance. I'm happy when fish less experienced players occasionally get lucky - either against me or especially against other players at my table because that's what keeps them in the game.

Bankroll management is not easy, even super poker gurus like Tom Dwan and Gus Hansen were broke, Gus made 20 million but lost it all. It is a tragedy when we be rich, but can't stop.

In the long run (200k++ hands), your knowledge and skill or lack thereof, will be more of a factor than random episodes of luck. Knowledge and skill, combined with proper bankroll management and tilt control will allow you to ride out and overcome extended periods of bad variance. I'm happy when fish less experienced players occasionally get lucky - either against me or especially against other players at my table because that's what keeps them in the game.

Poker is a game of chance if you don't know how play it, but if you know how to play it then poker is a game of skill and probably one of the most rewarding games in the casino since almost any other game does not give you the chance of winning at all.

If you see most of the gambling games needs some sort of skills and of the course the rules on how to play and requirements to win. I find that blackjack is more profitable as there is equal probability of winning and losing while if you see other gambling games like roulette if you put on a specific number there is very  less chance of win while on color there is a equal probability.

If you see most of the gambling games needs some sort of skills and of the course the rules on how to play and requirements to win. I find that blackjack is more profitable as there is equal probability of winning and losing while if you see other gambling games like roulette if you put on a specific number there is very  less chance of win while on color there is a equal probability.

For most people poker is a game of chance since very few can truly play the game the way it is supposed to be played since we don't have the economic means to do so.

Is poker a game of skill, or a game of chance? Many times asked question, no one can agree on what a game of poker is. There is studies and court decisions regarding the skill / chance debate, there is couple endless threads on this forum too. But I don't wish to open that discussion again.

For beginning I wish to ask where are you playing, and can we meet on some site?
I like to play on betcoin.ag, cash game on tables 0.05/0.1 and 0.1/0.25 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.

My nickname there is Underworld.

You don't need to have an extensive bankroll to participate in the game.  There are several different stake levels, from the micro stakes to the nose bleeds.  The trick is to manage your bankroll and master each level before advancing to the next.  There are also plenty of freerolls (free tournaments) that one can play to develop one's skills before committing a bankroll to the game.

Well i wanted to know what poker is so i read all the comments here and i think poker is one interesting gambling game but its really hard i really hate gambling games with mind games i usually play with my luck and win some and lose some but really its not that im not knowledgegable but in poker you can't really bet small amount of cash but you have to bet big amount and i i would like to know much more about poker sir please teach me :D

Well i wanted to know what poker is so i read all the comments here and i think poker is one interesting gambling game but its really hard i really hate gambling games with mind games i usually play with my luck and win some and lose some but really its not that im not knowledgegable but in poker you can't really bet small amount of cash but you have to bet big amount and i i would like to know much more about poker sir please teach me :D

You don't need to have an extensive bankroll to participate in the game.  There are several different stake levels, from the micro stakes to the nose bleeds.  The trick is to manage your bankroll and master each level before advancing to the next.  There are also plenty of freerolls (free tournaments) that one can play to develop one's skills before committing a bankroll to the game.

I like poker but I'm practicing my skill with an app. And I like to play it again and again maybe I'm not ready yet for the real poker.

You should play poker for real man. Don't just play an app that will give you nothing in the end. And instead of killing your time with an app I guess it's now the right time to apply what you had learned from that app by simply playing online poker. I know you can do it man. Go for it.

Poker is best played in real life not on the games on your app or even online gambling games. The virtual world destroys the fun in playing poker and there are so much techniques you cannot apply in virtual poker and in the real one. Like for example, bluffing. You cannot bluff properly in virtual poker. All you can do is just put a high number then that's it for virtual poker. Unlike in real poker, you can talk and do facial and body expressions to bluff your way into getting your opponents to play their cards.

Is poker a game of skill, or a game of chance? Many times asked question, no one can agree on what a game of poker is. There is studies and court decisions regarding the skill / chance debate, there is couple endless threads on this forum too. But I don't wish to open that discussion again.

For beginning I wish to ask where are you playing, and can we meet on some site?
I like to play on betcoin.ag, cash game on tables 0.05/0.1 and 0.1/0.25 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.

My nickname there is Underworld.

So this is your "trick"! :D But why do you make $1 posts for a scam site instead of using your "trick" and make money with it?

With poker you need to have both.
Skills because you need to know when you have a good or a bad hand so you know when to fold and when not.
Chance because you need luck on your side if you want to win. You need to get the good cards to come on the table before you can get a good hand

Really?  Why are you a thief?  Is that your trick?  You try to convince people that the casinos are going to rip them off and then you take their money for imaginary protection?

Can't you think of something honest to do with your life?

Is poker a game of skill, or a game of chance? Many times asked question, no one can agree on what a game of poker is. There is studies and court decisions regarding the skill / chance debate, there is couple endless threads on this forum too. But I don't wish to open that discussion again.

For beginning I wish to ask where are you playing, and can we meet on some site?
I like to play on betcoin.ag, cash game on tables 0.05/0.1 and 0.1/0.25 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.

My nickname there is Underworld.

Is poker a game of skill, or a game of chance? Many times asked question, no one can agree on what a game of poker is. There is studies and court decisions regarding the skill / chance debate, there is couple endless threads on this forum too. But I don't wish to open that discussion again.

For beginning I wish to ask where are you playing, and can we meet on some site?
I like to play on betcoin.ag, cash game on tables 0.05/0.1 and 0.1/0.25 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.

My nickname there is Underworld.

If I am a thief, Get 5 BTC for proof who Game Protect scammed and for how much? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1769527.0)

No, my consumer protection service is cost free if you register your account with Game Protect. ;)

No, I do not need try to convince people that the casinos are going to rip them off, you can read about it every day in the forums.

No, legal action is real and not imaginary. One might could consider your fantasy dreams as imaginary! :D


Obviously you can't!

Yes, I am a human and fight for the rights of poker players. ;)

My question to cjmoles was in regards to poker, so no idea what your problem is?

...cjmoles talks about pokerand you told him that he is a thief...

Really?  Why are you a thief?  Is that your trick?  You try to convince people that the casinos are going to rip them off and then you take their money for imaginary protection?  Can't you think of something honest to do with your life?

Is poker a game of skill, or a game of chance? Many times asked question, no one can agree on what a game of poker is. There is studies and court decisions regarding the skill / chance debate, there is couple endless threads on this forum too. But I don't wish to open that discussion again.

For beginning I wish to ask where are you playing, and can we meet on some site?
I like to play on betcoin.ag, cash game on tables 0.05/0.1 and 0.1/0.25 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.

My nickname there is Underworld.

I think poker was a game of skills that really needs an analysis, though nowadays this game card is very popular in the entire world and aside from that ti became like a sport game worldwide too in a different tournaments.

There's sort of a spectrum in gambling from games of chance to skill games. On one end of the spectrum are games of chance that you have no control over the outcome (dice). On the other end of the spectrum, the gambler has a great deal of control such as betting on a game of pool that you are actually playing in and you know the opponent's skill level. I think poker would fall on the skill end of that spectrum.

Poker game was very popular here in my country, aside from a tournament battle card I admired my cousin who is a poker game player and having duels with his opponents and he was always sent in different places her in place and there a gambling bet involved. This game was a full analysis every time they played.

I think poker is a game of skill and a chance together. During the game the one or another is coming to you nonstop.

But unfortunately we do not find all the bitcoin gambling sites are providing facility to play poker with them. Moreover we do not have threads here to discuss about strategies and to share experiences playing poker. I just know poker is another skill based gambling after sports betting, but I am always afraid to try there.

I am playing poker on the same site as you are only. So, we could need in the game  :) what is your nic there?
I think poker is a game of skill and a chance together. During the game the one or another is coming to you nonstop. There are cases when you have good skills but a card is not going. And there are times when you are so so player, but your luck with card is just visible.

I like to play poker and I am sure that it's game of skills mostly. A guy with luck or chance can win once or twice maximum and that's it and a real player with skills can make gambling as something professional and to make good money on it.

playing poker is not only that, it takes patience and thinking more seriously to win the game, if we lose concentration then we will lose all our bets for this game, but there is likely to win in the next game if you are really very confident in playing poker

I think poker is a good example of skill based gamble because you really need skills to overwhelm your opponents to get that big pot. I did some poker on many sites when I am just new here and it is really hard for me to win as newbie because they are always overwhelming me with big bets and I always do all in because of it, yes, that how big their bets are. I think that is also a way to win, and they are using theit skill to win the game.

I think poker is a good example of skill based gamble because you really need skills to overwhelm your opponents to get that big pot. I did some poker on many sites when I am just new here and it is really hard for me to win as newbie because they are always overwhelming me with big bets and I always do all in because of it, yes, that how big their bets are. I think that is also a way to win, and they are using their skill to win the game.

Is poker a game of skill, or a game of chance? Many times asked question, no one can agree on what a game of poker is. There is studies and court decisions regarding the skill / chance debate, there is couple endless threads on this forum too. But I don't wish to open that discussion again.

For beginning I wish to ask where are you playing, and can we meet on some site?
I like to play on betcoin.ag, cash game on tables 0.05/0.1 and 0.1/0.25 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.

My nickname there is Underworld.

Poker is a game of skill and chance together. More of a skill game but luck is also needed in certain times when your cards are not good for so many hands in a row. In this situation one is forced to bluff at least 1 time so he doesn't lose money. If the balance is high enough you can be very patient and hit with a really good hand, this is where skill is involved.

Blackjack is not profitable even if you play prefect basic strategy, the only way to get profits is to use card counting in a live casino but eventually you are going to get banned from the casinos because they don't like to lose money to card counters.

Is poker a game of skill, or a game of chance? Many times asked question, no one can agree on what a game of poker is. There is studies and court decisions regarding the skill / chance debate, there is couple endless threads on this forum too. But I don't wish to open that discussion again.

For beginning I wish to ask where are you playing, and can we meet on some site?
I like to play on betcoin.ag, cash game on tables 0.05/0.1 and 0.1/0.25 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.

My nickname there is Underworld.

I'm playing poker since im 16 (so over 10 years now) and it is for me the one and only game and hobby.
Biggest win was around 15k $ - and many four digit wins.
Live and online are so different, it seems there different games.
I love it and i would recommend everybody to play poker instead of other casino games loke roulette, blackkjack or dice and so on.  ;)

Wow, you're a good player I presume. Are those winnings from live poker games or online poker? I don't play poker too much, let alone gamble on it. I usually just play on my iPhone with free poker games like the one offered by zynga games (not sure if that was the correct name). I'm not too confident in playing skill based gambling.

Why would I believe anything of what you say?


$10 cash game, LOL!

Did you ever think how betcoin.ag can pay the 70 signature campaign promoters from $10 cash game?

I#m really thinking about a poker blog here on bitcointalk - just crypto poker.

Well I understand that you can't believe in anything cause there is no honesty in you, you don't know what that means.

( and you have a friend here on forum probably you trust him ).

Yes I thought of that, game protect but that shows how much ignorant you are, check out tournament page, and maybe you will be surprised how many people are playing.

Please do full research before you start any accusation. And I play 10 dollars cash game, but you have no respect for my choice, no you don't have respect for anyone or anything, what that says about you?

I do not believe anything you say, because you are a criminal liar!


I have no friend here.


14 players in average! :D


I researched the betcoin.ag scam (https://game-protect.com/betcoin-ag-scam/) very well!

About what accusation do you speak?

It actually depends on what kind of poker, I believe. If you're talking about poker games in casinos that are played against the house, then it is mostly chance and luck based.

But if you're talking about tournament based poker or those played against other players, then it has a much higher element of skill.

It actually depends on what kind of poker, I believe. If you're talking about poker games in casinos that are played against the house, then it is mostly chance and luck based.

But if you're talking about tournament based poker or those played against other players, then it has a much higher element of skill.

Poker is both chance and skill. You don't have control over the cards that you are dealt but the betting, bluffing, counting cards, and knowing the odds requires skill.

Is poker a game of skill, or a game of chance? Many times asked question, no one can agree on what a game of poker is. There is studies and court decisions regarding the skill / chance debate, there is couple endless threads on this forum too. But I don't wish to open that discussion again.

For beginning I wish to ask where are you playing, and can we meet on some site?
I like to play on betcoin.ag, cash game on tables 0.05/0.1 and 0.1/0.25 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.

My nickname there is Underworld.

Is poker a game of skill, or a game of chance? Many times asked question, no one can agree on what a game of poker is. There is studies and court decisions regarding the skill / chance debate, there is couple endless threads on this forum too. But I don't wish to open that discussion again.

For beginning I wish to ask where are you playing, and can we meet on some site?
I like to play on betcoin.ag, cash game on tables 0.05/0.1 and 0.1/0.25 mbtc. Tournaments are also something I like to play, but just when I have time to sit few hours freely, what is rarely in past few weeks.

My nickname there is Underworld.

In my own personal opinion poker is a game of chance because if you have given a great card automatically you will win in that round but if you have given a bad card that's automatically you will lose so it's better to fold.

http://imgur.com/a/F66ZA or http://imgur.com/a/F66ZA (http://imgur.com/a/F66ZA) You accuse me that I`m a criminal liar? This is what you do with everyone, you attack attack and attack without any logic and sense, again that shows a lot about your personality.

Yes you have your friends/coworkers and I still wonder who is paying you to spread rumors and spam around the forum.

14 players in average? You don`t even know what you are talking about ( and this is not the first time )

You researched something and I wonder what you have with that? As we know that guy made a deal for himself and he took the money in the end, I was here when that happened, and every casino for fiat or bitcoin have rules, and I wasn`t satisfied with every casino always but it is like it is. But that is how you promote your service, very bad way if you ask me, now even if you are valid ( in what I doubt ) I will not visit your site ever cause you are very bad person ( I told you several times about that and I explained you more then once).
You are just a spammer, and one more thread is argue just cause of you, you turned every discussion in your own foolish war against some casinos, that is madness, and that`s why I think that you are paid for that. A lot of negative trust from trusted members is also a good pointer.
I told you more then once that I will not talk with you anymore, and again you pulled me into argue with false accusation and information`s. This is the last time! I hope that other members on this forum will see your real face after all this! Good luck and please don`t wrote here anymore!

In my own personal opinion poker is a game of chance because if you have given a great card automatically you will win in that round but if you have given a bad card that's automatically you will lose so it's better to fold.

I think it is both skill and luck will influence the results? Especially over the long run. There are some other games where chance is almost all that matters, where skill doesn't factor much. Roulette for example.

You know very well that promoting a publicly proven scam is a criminal offense!

You failed with your attacking campaign against Game Protect.

The betcoin.ag scam pays 70 promoters to have 14 players in average with $5 - $10 at the tables.  :D

Your friend in crime Xiaoxiao do not pay the promised rakeback since 5 weeks!

Jasonort did not make a deal, betcoin.ag still owe him 500 Bitcoins, everyone in this forum knows that.

What is negative trust? Personal beliefs =  negative trust? Do you know that your employer Betcoin.ag has a ton of negative trust based on facts?

A lot of forum members have meanwhile seen the real face of the betcoin.ag scam and its criminal promoters like you! That is why your traffic decreased for 66% on Alexa Global Rank. :D

Omg betcoin.ag did that pfff omg whyyy I really like this betcoin.ag campaign but i see that it is negative trust so i dont want join but i really would like to join but they are criminals so i dont want but i really like their site.

Hello everyone, it's time for me to come out with the truth about the recent "delayed" rakeback situation.  This is not easy to do, especially since some of you guys viewed me as a helping hand to resolve issues or expedite support tickets and be an advocate for the players.

The truth is that I have personally mismanaged players' rakeback funds because I have gambled most of it away; I have a gambling problem.  I'm sure Betcoin can attest to this by simply looking at my past gambling records on the site, and most of the cashouts I made were to a few other bitcoin gambling sites which I lost.  The reason I made up the excuse of "delayed rakeback stats" was to buy time so I can get loans or use continued incoming affiliate funds to try to make back what I needed to cover.

In the past you may have noticed there's been similar "delays," though not as prolonged as this one.  Many of which (if not all) were because of my gambling habits in which I lost the funds which I should have set aside to pay out players at the end of the week.  However, I was always able to some how come up with it either taking out loans with every credit line that I have, or somehow winning it back via gambling, which is why this program has been afloat for so long amidst my gambling issues.

I hope you all could see that this delay of player rakeback was not the result of any malicious intent.  I've always tried to help the players under this program to the best of my abilities, a lot of time intervening with support and helping expedite issues they may be having with the ever enhancing Betcoin platform, or sending early rakeback when players needed it.

Currently I am working with Betcoin and a few possible investors to figure out a way to appease all those that haven't received their due rakeback from this program in the past few months.  I have exact records of who is owed what amount.

I apologize and feel incredibly bad for all those that were eagerly awaiting their rakeback, because I've been there before myself.  In no way shape or form have I ever intended to "scam" anyone.  As you know, I started this program back in 2014, and I always did my best to do whatever I can to make sure my players' get their due rakeback.  However this time around I ran out of credit lines and my luck also ran out so I told a bigger lie to buy myself time to figure out a way to come up with player funds.

Yes I agree with you. You need both luck and skill if you want to be successful at poker. Well if you are good, you will not need luck in the long term, but it will sure increase your winnings if you have it.

luck becomes less of a factor when you're already an experienced poker player. the longer you play, the more experienced and skillfull you'll get and you wouldn't be relying on luck almost all the time. you'll know how to play with good and bad hands and how to take advantage of other player's reactions. luck is mainly for poker newbies

There are some unbelievable comeback videos too on Youtube to those poker player who still able win despite of bad and worst cards to consider disregarding the bluff system.

You know very well that promoting a publicly proven scam is a criminal offense!

You failed with your attacking campaign against Game Protect.

The betcoin.ag scam pays 70 promoters to have 14 players in average with $5 - $10 at the tables.  :D

Your friend in crime Xiaoxiao do not pay the promised rakeback since 5 weeks!

Jasonort did not make a deal, betcoin.ag still owe him 500 Bitcoins, everyone in this forum knows that.

What is negative trust? Personal beliefs =  negative trust? Do you know that your employer Betcoin.ag has a ton of negative trust based on facts?

A lot of forum members have meanwhile seen the real face of the betcoin.ag scam and its criminal promoters like you! That is why your traffic decreased for 66% on Alexa Global Rank. :D