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Applicants wanted for a one-way ticket to Mars

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Want to go to Mars? Dutch organisation Mars One says it will open applications imminently. It would be a one-way trip, and the company hopes to build a community of settlers on the planet.

Uncharted waters, mountains or far away lands have always drawn explorers. History books show that desire for adventure, even in the face of extreme danger, did not deter the likes of Columbus or Magellan.

So it is perhaps not surprising that Mars One has already received thousands of prospective applicants. But there is no return - unlike the mission which hopes to fly to Mars and back in 2018.

Future explorers take note. Applicants must be resilient, adaptable, resourceful and must work well within a team. The whole project will be televised, from the reality TV style selection process, to landing and beyond.

On a visit to the BBC's London office, Mars One's co-founder Bas Lansdorp explains why this would be a one-way flight.

During the seven-to-eight month journey, astronauts will lose bone and muscle mass. After spending time on Mars' much weaker gravitational field, it would be almost impossible to readjust back to Earth's much stronger gravity, says Landsorp.

Successful applicants will be trained physically and psychologically. The team will use existing technology for all aspects of the project. Energy will be generated from solar panels, water will be recycled and extracted from soil and the astronauts will grow their own food - they will also have an emergency ration and regular top-ups as new explorers join every two years.

Solar wind
But is it realistic to believe that individuals could live and prosper on the Red Planet?

Mars is in the firing line of the Sun's high energy particles, called solar wind. The atmosphere of Mars is very thin as the solar wind is thought to have stripped much of it away.

On Earth, we are protected from the solar wind by a strong magnetic field. Without this, it would be much more difficult to survive. Although Mars once had similar protection about four billion years ago, today there is no such shield protecting it.

The Martian surface is therefore extremely hostile to life, says Dr Veronica Bray, from the University of Arizona's Lunar and Planetary Laboratory, who is sceptical about the project.

There's no liquid water, the atmospheric pressure is "practically a vacuum", radiation levels are higher and temperatures vary wildly, she says.

"Radiation exposure is a concern, especially during the trip. This can lead to increased cancer risk, a lowered immune system and possibly infertility."

To minimise radiation, the project team will cover the domes with several metres of soil, which the colonists will have to dig up.

"I have no doubt that we could physically place a human being on Mars. Whether they'd be able to survive for an extended period of time is much more doubtful," adds Dr Bray.

Ambassador for the project, Professor Gerard 't Hooft, a recipient of the Nobel Prize for theoretical physics in 1999, admits there are unknown health risks. He says the radiation is "of quite a different nature" than anything which has been tested on Earth.

Technical challenge

"They [the applicants] will be told that there are risks, but it will be our responsibility to keep the risks within acceptable odds."

Nasa astronaut Stan Love knows first-hand the difficulties with technology that his colleagues have experienced on the International Space Station in low-Earth orbit.

The apparatus which recycles human waste and turns "yesterday's coffee into into tomorrow's coffee needs frequent maintenance and would likely not survive years of continuous duty on Mars", he says.

Love has recently returned from Antarctica which he says is a "picnic compared to Mars".

"It's full of water, you can go outside and breathe the air. It's paradise compared to Mars and yet nobody has moved there permanently."

Although dubious about the funding, the technology and the impact of radiation, Love applauds small enterprises like Mars One.

He strongly believes private organisations will help raise awareness and hopefully discover or design some technology which will help future teams reach their goal of landing on Mars.

"We've been dreaming about this for 50 years. The Moon was just supposed to be a stepping stone to Mars. But when you study the problem, you realise it's immensely hard to do this."

Many critics have focused on funding, and whether the project would hold the public's attention for many years. It will cost an estimated £3.8bn ($6bn) to send the first group.

Dr Chris Lintott from Oxford University says that while the project is technologically plausible, he does not think they will find the funding.

"It's about having the political will and the financial muscle to make this happen. That's what nobody has been able to solve so far," he explains.

But Lansdorp sees no issue with funding. He uses the revenue from the worldwide broadcasting rights of the Olympics as a comparison.

"This will be the biggest thing that humanity has ever done. In 15 years people will still be watching.

"Exploring our world, and now beyond is what humans do, it's in our genome. The settlers' dream of going to Mars will come true."

Whether or not the mission will achieve its goal, the publicity generated from the "big-brother" style televised application process means the world will surely be watching.

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http://mars-one.com/en/mission/mankind-on-mars

Humankind on Mars

Say someone were to tell you: we are going to build a human settlement on Mars. After you have laughed a bit, only to be met with a serious face, you might ask:

How is this possible?
Will the astronauts come back?
How will the astronauts prepare for a life on Mars?
What will the journey from Earth to Mars be like?
What will it be like to live on Mars?

Emigration to Mars

A one way trip has obvious technical advantages, but what does this mean for the astronauts themselves? That depends on who you ask. You could say that most people would rather lose a leg than live the rest of their life on a cold, hostile planet, having said goodbye to friends and family forever, the best possible video call suffering from a seven minute delay—one way.

However, there are individuals for whom traveling to Mars has been a dream for their entire life. They relish the challenge. Not unlike the ancient Chinese, Micronesians, and untold Africans, the Vikings and famed explorers of Old World Europe, who left everything behind to spend the majority of their lives at sea, a one-way mission to Mars is about exploring a new world and the opportunity to conduct the most revolutionary research ever conceived, to build a new home for humans on another planet.

Mars One will offer everyone who dreams the way the ancient explorers dreamed the opportunity to apply for a position in a Mars One Mission. Are you one for whom this is a dream?

Years of Training

Before they leave the Earth’s atmosphere to travel to Mars, each astronaut will be put through the required eight years of training. They will be isolated from the world for a few months every two years in groups of four in simulation facilities, to learn how they respond to living in close quarters while isolated from all humans except for the three crew members. In addition to the expertise and work experience they must already possess, they have to learn quite a few new skills: physical and electrical repairs to the settlement structures, cultivating crops in confined spaces, and addressing both routine and serious medical issues such as dental upkeep, muscle tears and bone fractures.

The Journey to Mars

The flight will take between seven to eight months (depending upon the relative positions of the Earth and Mars). The astronauts will spend those seven months together in a very small space—much smaller than the home base at the settlement on Mars—devoid of luxury or frills. This will not be easy. Showering with water will not be an option. Instead the astronauts make do with wet towelettes (wet wipes) as used by astronauts on the International Space Station.

Freeze dried and canned food is the only option. There will be constant noise from the ventilators, computer and life support systems, and a regimented routine of 3 hours daily exercise in order to maintain muscle mass. If the astronauts are hit by a solar storm, they must take refuge in the even smaller, sheltered area of the rocket which provides the best protection, for up to several days.

The journey will be arduous, pressing each of them to the very limits of their training and personal capacity. But the astronauts will endure because this will be the flight carrying them to their dream.

Life on Mars

Once they arrive on Mars, the astronauts will begin making use of their relatively spacious living units; over 50 m2 per person, and a total of more than 200 m2 combined interior space.

Within the settlement are inflatable components which contain bedrooms, working areas, a living room and a 'plant production unit', where they will grow greenery. They will also be able to shower as normal, prepare fresh food (that they themselves grew and harvested) in the kitchen, wear regular clothes, and, in essence, lead typical day-to-day lives.

If the astronauts leave the settlement, they have to wear a Mars Suit. However, all living spaces are connected by passageways, in order for the astronauts to move freely from one end of the settlement to the other. As the rovers have done much of the heavy construction prior to their arrival, it will not take the astronauts a long time to find routine in their new life, moving into carrying out valuable construction works and research.

Construction & Research

Several new components will be delivered to Mars while the first group of four astronauts are settled. In preparation of the arrival of the second group of four astronauts, the components will include a second living unit and a second life support unit. With use of the rovers, the astronauts will connect these units to the main base. When this task has been performed, the first crew has prepared the settlement for the arrival of additional astronauts, and, in the meantime, the astronauts will enjoy more room for themselves and extra security as the duplicate living environments provide back-up life support systems.

When the second crew of astronauts lands, the first crew will have already applied technology and physical labor to the construction of additional living and working spaces, using local materials. Mars One is working on concepts, such as the inclusion of tunnels and domes made from compressed Martian soil, which may be able to hold a breathable atmosphere for the astronauts to live in.

There will be a great deal of research conducted on Mars. The astronauts will research how their bodies respond and change when living in a 38% gravitational field, and how food crops and other plants grow in hydroponic plant production units. Research will include extra-settlement exploration to learn about the ancient and current geology on Mars. Of course, much research will be dedicated to the determination if life was once present or now exists on Mars.

Reports from Mars

The astronauts will not only submit routine reports, but will also share all that they enjoy and find challenging. It will give the people on Earth a unique and personal insight view of life on Mars. They could answer intriguing questions like:What is it like to walk on Mars? How do you feel about your fellow astronauts after a year? What is it like living in the reduced Mars’ gravity? What is your favorite food? Do you enjoy the sunsets on Mars?

Future Expansion

A new group of four astronauts will land on Mars every two years, steadily increasing the settlement’s size. Eventually, a living unit will be built from local materials, large enough to grow trees. As more astronauts arrive, the creativity applied to settlement expansion will certainly give way to ideas and innovation that we cannot conceive now. But we can expect the human spirit to continue to persevere, to even thrive in this challenging environment.

http://mars-one.com/en/mission/mankind-on-mars

Yeah I'm sceptical about these kind of operations too, let me tell you, if I were aiming for space, I'd go for the asteroids filled with lots of precious metals first and use that to expand, nevermind they're asking for donations, just pissing away money to get to somewhere far away we're not quite sure about yet is incredibly short sighted.

I actually think that the millionaires who are funding the corporate space missions to grab asteroids are doing it right even if they are just doing it to get rich short term.

It'll be the asteroids that save us, they're filled with the stuff we need, we just need to get people with the balls to gather them.

There are two killer apps that will make extra-planetary colonization economically viable: mining in a place that has no environment to harm, and low-gravity retirement communities for the elderly.

Well, asteroid mining is clearly perfect for the first one, but for the second we need low-g ways of getting people into space, first, all current ways are too punishing.

Well, asteroid mining is clearly perfect for the first one, but for the second we need low-g ways of getting people into space, first, all current ways are too punishing.

Space elevator.

Space elevator.

Send them up before they get too frail for the trip, so they can live out the rest of their life in the comfort of lunar gravity.

3. Requires cables with tensile strength well beyond our current ability.

Technically not true. The existing materials would just require a stupidly large maximum cross section. Kevlar works for Earth if you don't mind the cable starting out at 1 inch wide at ground level and a mile wide at geosynchronous height.

Luna and Mars aren't our main concerns... all of our people, and more importantly, almost all of our stuff, is all at the bottom of Earth's annoyingly deep gravity well.

They are concerns if you want viable colonies. In order to get supplies from Earth they are going to have to export useful things back. Anything that makes this cheaper makes the colonies less impossible economically.

Turn the volume up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muPNlnm_i44

Manned space exploration enthusiasm is basically delusional.

This movie and others have done a lot to manned space exploration.   I'd even say they played a prominent role.

This should make us think, though.  Had there not been such a huge SF fiction literature and cinematography about space, people would not give a crap about it, as they would see space for what it is:   an almost perfect vacuum, extremely hostile to any life form, where it is very difficult to go and where there is pretty much nothing to do.

Manned space exploration enthusiasm is basically delusional.

What about all the potentially habitable exo planets we are discovering?

That's like saying aeroplanes are delusional, computers are delusional, the internet is delusional (a person alive 200 years ago would have had no way to conceptualise anything like the internet, or computers, or software, or [insert anything to do with computers here], vaccination is delusional, the telephone is delusional ... I'm pretty sure all this and more was said at some stage.

If you seriously believe in interstellar travel in any near future, I think it's safe to say you're delusional.


So the adjective delusional has no meaning, maybe?

If I was telling my family that I plan on building a house and live on the tip of the Everest, on deep oceanic floor or in the middle of Antarctica, everybody would tell me that I'm nuts.

Living on mars is just about as crazy, only much, much more difficult.

OK, when the next dinosaur killer hits, I'll be waving at you from my dome on Ceres.

Then we'll see who has the more hostile living environment. ;)

There are two killer apps that will make extra-planetary colonization economically viable: mining in a place that has no environment to harm, and low-gravity retirement communities for the elderly.

If anyone planned any of your examples I'd think it was amazing. The crazy ones change the world - history has shown this repeatedly - that's all I'm going to say!

If mankind is advanced enough to sustain an inhabitable environment on Ceres, I'm pretty sure it won't have much trouble dealing with any large impact on Earth.

Right, because a technological base that's smashed to splinters is great at keeping people from dying in an impact-induced glaciation.

If anyone planned any of your examples I'd think it was amazing. The crazy ones change the world - history has shown this repeatedly - that's all I'm going to say!

Right, because a technological base that's smashed to splinters is great at keeping people from dying in an impact-induced glaciation.

You realize how unlikely it is for the impact to actually occur on the exact location of a technological base, right?

and leave the rest to scrounge for whatever they can get.

And this would certainly be better than whatever you would have on Ceres.

Also as I said, whenever we'll be able to sustain a colony on Ceres, we'll be so advanced that I doubt an impact winter would really kill millions of people.  We would probably find ways to mitigate it, for an Asteroid is much a tougher environment than even an impacted Earth.

The resulting devastation will overwhelm disaster and relief organizations. Meanwhile, civil order will collapse, and any city not destroyed by the impact will be overrun by looters. With communication and trade disrupted, resources won't get to where they're needed, and millions more will starve while grain rots in silos. Salt rains combined with cooler temperatures will play havok with the world's crops, so that first year is the last year any grain will rot in silos, because there will be none to store in later years.

All this is true if the impact was happening next year, but as I said, a civilization sufficiently advanced to sustain a colony on Ceres would probably be sufficiently advanced to mitigate all this. 

Yes, a society sufficiently advanced to sustain asteroid colonies will survive an asteroid strike to the home planet. Because of the colonies.

(FYI: We have the tech now to sustain a colony on Ceres.)

Yeah right, in your dreams.

OK, when the next dinosaur killer hits, I'll be waving at you from my dome on Ceres.

Then we'll see who has the more hostile living environment. ;)

One of the problems I have with the concept of living on mars is the fact that it only has 38% the gravity of earth. How could we manage that without artificial gravity? Even astronauts living on the ISS have all sorts of health problems from just spending a few months up there. In space centrifugal force works, but what about on the planet's surface?

As Stephen Hawkins said humanity has less than 1,000 years to get off the earth before its wiped out. 

I made a statement of fact. This means it can be proven or disproven. Disprove it.

It took 10 years and 0.5% of the Gross Domestic Product of the United States to get a two-man lander on the moon. There was no toilet, they taped a bag on their butt to do #2.
The expertise to do that has largely retired or passed on. The US has no manned space program.

It took 10 years and 0.5% of the Gross Domestic Product of the United States to get a two-man lander on the moon. There was no toilet, they taped a bag on their butt to do #2.
The expertise to do that has largely retired or passed on. The US has no manned space program.

I made a statement of fact. This means it can be proven or disproven. Disprove it.

What tech are you referring to that would make this feasible and sustainable?

Sometimes they do, but most of the time they don't.  They are just crazy, and you don't remember crazy people who didn't change the world.

Take Franz Reichet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBN3xfGrx_U), for instance.  This guy thought he could safely jump off the Eiffel tour with just a self-made suit.   He died of course.  Now, some people did jump off the Eiffel tour after him, but it was much more difficult than he thought, as it required a modern parachute and lots of training.

IMHO the death of Franz Reichet is very similar to this mars-one project.  Look at the people on the video who watch him.  They don't try to dissuade him, they just wait for him to jump, and then they watch him die.  Maybe they sincerely believed it could work, maybe they shared a dream.  Some of them might have said:  "Franz Reichet is crazy but it's crazy people like him who change the world!".  If they did, to me it's clear they were all delusional.

It's the same with this mars-one project.   The crew will die there and we are all going to watch them die, in the name of a delusion fueled by science-fiction.

It's sad, if you ask me.

Yeah right, in your dreams.  Like Franz Reichelt who was sure he knew aerodynamics enough to fly.

Delusional.

Any updates going on with this project?

It hardly seems they're ever going to raise the money  :(

Wasn't there a lot of press coverage about it being a scam?
One of the participants said so too, over here (http://www.iflscience.com/space/whats-going-mars-one).

Well it just seems like a scam
It doesn't definitely prove it

Mars has vampires. Do not want brought back to earth.

It was definitely a scam. We aren't even ready to live on the moon, let alone get a reality show started there :D

Anyone who fell for this deserves the reality check...

It was definitely a scam. We aren't even ready to live on the moon, let alone get a reality show started there :D

Anyone who fell for this deserves the reality check...

It was definitely a scam. We aren't even ready to live on the moon, let alone get a reality show started there :D

Anyone who fell for this deserves the reality check...

You really think Mars One is a scam?

http://www.mars-one.com/about-mars-one/team

http://www.mars-one.com/about-mars-one/advisers

Over ambitious maybe, but I wouldn't say scam and personally I hope they succeed.

"A recent analysis by a team at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) identified crucial flaws with Mars One’s published plans and predicted that even if the astronauts got to the surface unscathed, the first person would suffocate within 68 days because of a lack of equipment to balance oxygen levels effectively."

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/feb/23/mars-one-plan-colonise-red-planet-unrealistic-leading-supporter


We can't even colonize the MOON.  What makes you think we can colonize Mars, a planet considerably further away from Earth, for the sole purpose of a REALITY SHOW?  Shouldn't we, like, make sure living there in the first place is possible?

Of course we should. It is silly to assume that the Mars One team had managed to overcome every obstacle. Reviews like the one you link are GOOD as that is how science works, it means the project can improve. Is Mars One perfect? No. Does that mean they should give up? No. According to your logic shall we just stay on Earth forever and not try and colonize anywhere? Doing is achieved by trying. Of course its a huge undertaking, that is common sense. Does that mean it is a scam? I highly doubt it. Which was my original point.

Your reference does not prove it is a scam, just like the previous reference from a disgruntled contestant does not prove it is a scam either.

Dude, I'm sorry for giving you the wrong idea. I agree with your opinions - we need to get the hell of this rock ASAP. Earth is humanity's cradle - we need to grow the fuck up, get over the greed and beaurocratic bullshit we fight and kill over. Humanity needs a universal body that looks past religion, politics, etc. and take our big ol' baby step towards colonization of space (and eventually planets).

One big meteor, and humanity is history. One nuclear war, and everything's over. Space colonies - I prefer the O'Neil cylinder :D - can serve as our 'backup plan'.

I could go on but I'm at work, sorry.

I just think the Mars one project is looking too far ahead, considering our current technological/governmental/monetarymetc. limitations.

Maybe team up with Planetary Resources (look em up if you don't know) and start building revenue / resources from there ;)

Talk to you later!