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Title: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: PeterTheGrape on March 27, 2017, 07:39:37 PM
This is something difficult to figure out.

A very old person would remember when Russians were sort of like isis or al qaeda is today. All you had to know about somebody was that they were Russian, and you knew they were plotting to destroy the world.

A middle aged person would remember a sort of detente and some cooperation with Russia and Eastern European countries, even sympathy for some of the miseries people in that region endured.

A young person today looks at supposed Russian meddling in the U.S. election and it seems like no big deal. Is it because Russia does not threaten the U.S., or is it because the two countries are not hostile still?

The world seems to be shifting from 'western caucasian vs eastern caucasian' in politics to 'caucasian vs asian' in economics. China is taking over de facto control of African resources, often in a more ethical way than the United States did for decades. So is China the enemy now? If the furthest east asian culture, Native Americans, becomes more powerful will it be a step towards civilization or away from it? Or something else?

http://yestervid.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/oldest-native-american-footage-1-770px-235x190.jpg



Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: santaclaws on March 27, 2017, 08:04:22 PM
I wouldn't call them enemies. I don't think they were ever enemies.. Just rivals. Like any emerging economy will be a rival to the US.



Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Lancusters on March 27, 2017, 08:57:17 PM
I wouldn't call them enemies. I don't think they were ever enemies.. Just rivals. Like any emerging economy will be a rival to the US.


Here it is not only about the economy. The Russian economy is so weak that it poses no competition for America. The fact that Putin's Russia poses a threat to any civilized country. Russian is a completely different system of values. This aggressive inadequate country. Russia is the enemy for any democratic country.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: InvoKing on March 27, 2017, 09:15:28 PM
I wouldn't call them enemies. I don't think they were ever enemies.. Just rivals. Like any emerging economy will be a rival to the US.

USSR VS USA were just rivals?
What about Cuba's missiles and such events that could led at any moment to a nuclear war...
Besides, wouldn't call Russia an emerging economy
For China it has a huge potential but still needs to improve its army with a better technology


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Lieldoryn on March 27, 2017, 09:38:30 PM
Russia is still the enemy of the West. Putin is a thief. He and his team lives by the fact that steal from their people. It is in their interests that people in all countries were poor and didn't give good examples of the Russian people.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: coolcoinz on March 27, 2017, 09:50:09 PM
I wouldn't call them enemies. I don't think they were ever enemies.. Just rivals. Like any emerging economy will be a rival to the US.


Many Eastern European countries were the enemies of Russia. Don't put them all in one basket! The Soviets used many of them as military bases and supply centers for their vast army and had agents and puppet governments that allowed them to influence the life of citizens and keep the countries in poverty. To give you an example Poland was occupied by Russia in the 18th century and later, after it gained independence, it was attacked and destroyed by Russians and Germans in 1939. Russians later claimed to have liberated the country from the Germans, but it was the Russians that served the country to the Germans on a silver platter in the first place. Look at what is being said in Ukraine about Russia, not much love towards them outside of the Crimea.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: squatz1 on March 28, 2017, 01:11:50 AM
I'd still think that they're some sort of enemies due to the simple thing of the past tensions between the two nations (US and Russia) when the cold-war was occuring. This is the reason for a lot of the tension we see today when you're attempting to show why these two countries seem to hate each-other and do things to spite each-other.

We still today more or less follow the policy of trying to beat the Russians in anyway possible, thought this isn't held as dear as in the Cold-War when beating the Russians was something that the whole country had held dear to their hearts. But, I feel that the US does seem to beat the Russians in tons of ways these days and economies are things that can't even be compared due to Russia having sucha a small economy when it's being compared to the global Superpower of the United States.

I wouldn't call them enemies. I don't think they were ever enemies.. Just rivals. Like any emerging economy will be a rival to the US.



Calling them Rivals sounds better too.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Sithara007 on March 28, 2017, 02:04:52 AM
I wouldn't call them enemies. I don't think they were ever enemies.. Just rivals. Like any emerging economy will be a rival to the US.

The Americans have done their best to destroy the Russian economy and its demographics using sanctions and various below the belt tricks. The US is responsible for the heroin epidemic in Russia, which has caused millions of deaths till now.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Mometaskers on March 28, 2017, 04:13:23 AM
I wouldn't call them enemies. I don't think they were ever enemies.. Just rivals. Like any emerging economy will be a rival to the US.


Here it is not only about the economy. The Russian economy is so weak that it poses no competition for America. The fact that Putin's Russia poses a threat to any civilized country. Russian is a completely different system of values. This aggressive inadequate country. Russia is the enemy for any democratic country.

Yes. Considering their economy has never been great as compared to other Western countries and yet they go around invading other countries' turf, I guess that's enough for some people to see where their priorities are. China is also doing the same thing though save for Tibet, most of the territory their invading are uninhabited unlike Crimea.

I wouldn't call them enemies. I don't think they were ever enemies.. Just rivals. Like any emerging economy will be a rival to the US.


Many Eastern European countries were the enemies of Russia. Don't put them all in one basket! The Soviets used many of them as military bases and supply centers for their vast army and had agents and puppet governments that allowed them to influence the life of citizens and keep the countries in poverty. To give you an example Poland was occupied by Russia in the 18th century and later, after it gained independence, it was attacked and destroyed by Russians and Germans in 1939. Russians later claimed to have liberated the country from the Germans, but it was the Russians that served the country to the Germans on a silver platter in the first place. Look at what is being said in Ukraine about Russia, not much love towards them outside of the Crimea.


I've seen a Stratfor vid that explain that this attitude came from Russia being a geographically open country. So as they reasoned out, the policy to invade or finlandize surrounding countries is meant to somehow "push" the border farther to areas that would be easily defended.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Sithara007 on March 28, 2017, 05:26:12 AM
I wouldn't call them enemies. I don't think they were ever enemies.. Just rivals. Like any emerging economy will be a rival to the US.


Here it is not only about the economy. The Russian economy is so weak that it poses no competition for America. The fact that Putin's Russia poses a threat to any civilized country. Russian is a completely different system of values. This aggressive inadequate country. Russia is the enemy for any democratic country.

Yes. Considering their economy has never been great as compared to other Western countries and yet they go around invading other countries' turf, I guess that's enough for some people to see where their priorities are. China is also doing the same thing though save for Tibet, most of the territory their invading are uninhabited unlike Crimea.

Crimea is historically ethnic Russian territory, which was temporarily placed under Ukrainian administration in 1954. At that time, certain promises were made to the people of Crimea. These promises were not fulfilled, and the people decided to go back to Russia.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: canah17 on March 28, 2017, 06:46:37 AM
This is something difficult to figure out.

A very old person would remember when Russians were sort of like isis or al qaeda is today. All you had to know about somebody was that they were Russian, and you knew they were plotting to destroy the world.

A middle aged person would remember a sort of detente and some cooperation with Russia and Eastern European countries, even sympathy for some of the miseries people in that region endured.

A young person today looks at supposed Russian meddling in the U.S. election and it seems like no big deal. Is it because Russia does not threaten the U.S., or is it because the two countries are not hostile still?

The world seems to be shifting from 'western caucasian vs eastern caucasian' in politics to 'caucasian vs asian' in economics. China is taking over de facto control of African resources, often in a more ethical way than the United States did for decades. So is China the enemy now? If the furthest east asian culture, Native Americans, becomes more powerful will it be a step towards civilization or away from it? Or something else?

http://yestervid.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/oldest-native-american-footage-1-770px-235x190.jpg



Well, i think they are not enemies because if they are enemies they would be not dealing with business with each other but they are dealing with each other in business but they are just rivals in growing their economy its like they are just competing with each other in order to show dominance to different countries that they are the biggest and the well built economy....


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Barmen on March 28, 2017, 09:19:59 AM
I wouldn't call them enemies. I don't think they were ever enemies.. Just rivals. Like any emerging economy will be a rival to the US.


Here it is not only about the economy. The Russian economy is so weak that it poses no competition for America. The fact that Putin's Russia poses a threat to any civilized country. Russian is a completely different system of values. This aggressive inadequate country. Russia is the enemy for any democratic country.

Yes. Considering their economy has never been great as compared to other Western countries and yet they go around invading other countries' turf, I guess that's enough for some people to see where their priorities are. China is also doing the same thing though save for Tibet, most of the territory their invading are uninhabited unlike Crimea.

Crimea is historically ethnic Russian territory, which was temporarily placed under Ukrainian administration in 1954. At that time, certain promises were made to the people of Crimea. These promises were not fulfilled, and the people decided to go back to Russia.
No promises was not fulfilled. Ukraine after the transfer of the Crimea turned it into a place suitable for life. There were put in fresh water, built infrastructure. In addition, for the Crimea to Russia was given the North of the region, Taganrog, Kuban and Stavropol.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Sex Video Chat VKcams.com on March 28, 2017, 01:01:43 PM
aggressive inadequate country

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States

What a perfect example of democracy.

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The United States apologized on Friday for an experiment conducted in the 1940s in which U.S. government researchers deliberately infected Guatemalan prison inmates, women and mental patients with syphilis.

In the experiment, aimed at testing the then-new drug penicillin, inmates were infected by prostitutes and later treated with the antibiotic.

"The sexually transmitted disease inoculation study conducted from 1946-1948 in Guatemala was clearly unethical," Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said in a statement.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-guatemala-experiment-idUSTRE6903RZ20101001


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: criptix on March 28, 2017, 01:15:06 PM
I wouldn't call them enemies. I don't think they were ever enemies.. Just rivals. Like any emerging economy will be a rival to the US.


Here it is not only about the economy. The Russian economy is so weak that it poses no competition for America. The fact that Putin's Russia poses a threat to any civilized country. Russian is a completely different system of values. This aggressive inadequate country. Russia is the enemy for any democratic country.

Yes. Considering their economy has never been great as compared to other Western countries and yet they go around invading other countries' turf, I guess that's enough for some people to see where their priorities are. China is also doing the same thing though save for Tibet, most of the territory their invading are uninhabited unlike Crimea.

Crimea is historically ethnic Russian territory, which was temporarily placed under Ukrainian administration in 1954. At that time, certain promises were made to the people of Crimea. These promises were not fulfilled, and the people decided to go back to Russia.

Ukraine ceded all their nuclear weapons (3rd biggest in the world in 1991; 1700+ warheads) to russia and got a promise of independence and sovereignty (Budapest memorandum; 1994).
Today we know that paper is worthless:

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The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,

Welcoming the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as non-nuclear-weapon State,

Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time,

Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end of the Cold War, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in nuclear forces.

Confirm the following:

1. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.

2. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.

3. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.

4. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.

5. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm, in the case of Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a State in association or alliance with a nuclear-weapon State.

6. Ukraine, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America will consult in the event a situation arises that raises a question concerning these commitments.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Sex Video Chat VKcams.com on March 28, 2017, 01:21:36 PM
promise of independence and sovereignty

There are no promises to provide the Ethnic Cleansing and apartheid .


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: criptix on March 28, 2017, 01:23:52 PM
promise of independence and sovereignty

There are no promises to provide the Ethnic Cleansing and apartheid.

So there was a russian genocide happening in crimea?


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Forester618 on March 28, 2017, 01:34:06 PM
promise of independence and sovereignty

There are no promises to provide the Ethnic Cleansing and apartheid .
Interestingly you have at least one example of ethnic cleansing in Ukraine, except the crucifixion of a boy? Tell the truth do you believe in all this nonsense that you write or you pay for it.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Sex Video Chat VKcams.com on March 28, 2017, 01:35:50 PM

So there was a russian genocide happening in crimea?

About what are You talking? Do You call the "Crimean Jew Republic" as "Russian"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aMtrynfJSw (In Russian)


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Sex Video Chat VKcams.com on March 28, 2017, 01:40:54 PM
you have at least one example of ethnic cleansing in Ukraine

Here is Ex Ukraine,
Shelling of Lugansk City, act of Ethnic Cleansing, made for expelling civilians from the City.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAg61hEI_yM
http://rian.com.ua/video/20150213/363427793.html (In Russian)
https://ria.ru/world/20150212/1047208166.html (In Russian)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_displacement


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Hazir on March 28, 2017, 01:59:24 PM
They are both to blame: Russian are not that evil and USA is not that amazingly saint as people might think.
There is no government on Earth which will be still in power after disclosing every secret and hidden operation to the public.
Governments control the society with confusion and disinformation, every single one of them.
Someone wise once said: "No modern government could exist for 24 hours if it told the people the truth."


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Discovery 17 on March 28, 2017, 02:30:01 PM
you have at least one example of ethnic cleansing in Ukraine

Here is Ex Ukraine,
Shelling of Lugansk City, act of Ethnic Cleansing, made for expelling civilians from the City.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAg61hEI_yM
http://rian.com.ua/video/20150213/363427793.html (In Russian)
https://ria.ru/world/20150212/1047208166.html (In Russian)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_displacement
And what you want to say that this is proof? LOL! Hitler used such tactics. Remember when the Nazis started the Reichstag fire? Stalin had the NKVD dressed in the form of UPA and antagonize their local population. Putin is doing the same thing.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Sex Video Chat VKcams.com on March 28, 2017, 04:19:58 PM

And what you want to say that this is proof?

For sure, this is a proof.
There are OSCE observers.
 http://www.osce.org/ru/ukraine-smm/reports

If You need more - just check there.

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  Putin is doing the same thing.

Explain, please this better.
- "Putin" is shelling Lugansk city from "Kiev Forces" side?
This is Your version?


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Alexzap on March 28, 2017, 05:31:56 PM

And what you want to say that this is proof?

For sure, this is a proof.
There are OSCE observers.
 http://www.osce.org/ru/ukraine-smm/reports

If You need more - just check there.

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  Putin is doing the same thing.

Explain, please this better.
- "Putin" is shelling Lugansk city from "Kiev Forces" side?
This is Your version?
And who said that the shelling by the Ukrainian army? I have seen for example "Motorola" fired from the automatic grenade launcher position their fighters. Similarly, the militants deploy their mortars to the rear and provocatively attack to compromise the Ukrainian army.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Sex Video Chat VKcams.com on March 28, 2017, 08:36:40 PM
And who said that the shelling by the Ukrainian army?

OSCE report it
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Spot report by the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine (SMM), 3 February 2015:
Civilians killed and wounded in strike with cluster munitions in Izvestkova Street in Luhansk city
KYIV 3 February 2015
...
The SMM discovered parts of rockets, including engines, fins and cargo compartments, in the front and backyards of several houses; the cargo compartment in particular is typical of a rocket carrying cluster munitions. Some parts sighted by the SMM at the impact site (1.5 cm white metal fragments, 6 by 3 cm black metal fragments of bomblets cases) are typical for cluster munition. The SMM identified them as parts consistent with 9M55K model “Smerch” rockets (calibre 300mm). The SMM observed a crater (diameter approximately 4m, depth approximately 3m) at the backyard of the house located at Dekabristiv Street 106 which had been caused by the explosion of a “Smerch” rocket, according to the SMM’s assessment.

The SMM measured by compass the angle between north and the axis of cargo remains. The SMM measured the incoming azimuth for the three cargo remains of the “Smerch” rockets, indicating a general incoming north-north-west direction.
http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/138906

Do You need a map for checking, what is "north-north-west direction" for Lugansk City?


“Smerch” rocket
https://i0.wp.com/joinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/55b89eac5fd2b_116511-620x330.jpg


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Lieldoryn on March 28, 2017, 08:52:09 PM
And who said that the shelling by the Ukrainian army?

OSCE report it
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The SMM discovered parts of rockets, including engines, fins and cargo compartments, in the front and backyards of several houses; the cargo compartment in particular is typical of a rocket carrying cluster munitions. Some parts sighted by the SMM at the impact site (1.5 cm white metal fragments, 6 by 3 cm black metal fragments of bomblets cases) are typical for cluster munition. The SMM identified them as parts consistent with 9M55K model “Smerch” rockets (calibre 300mm). The SMM observed a crater (diameter approximately 4m, depth approximately 3m) at the backyard of the house located at Dekabristiv Street 106 which had been caused by the explosion of a “Smerch” rocket, according to the SMM’s assessment.

The SMM measured by compass the angle between north and the axis of cargo remains. The SMM measured the incoming azimuth for the three cargo remains of the “Smerch” rockets, indicating a general incoming north-north-west direction.
http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/138906
After the scandal with the booze in the Donetsk and disclosure of information on positions of the Ukrainian troops to trust the information the OSCE is not very desirable. But in any case, even they never confirmed that Kiev is shelling residential areas.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Sex Video Chat VKcams.com on March 28, 2017, 09:02:58 PM
But in any case, even they never confirmed that Kiev is shelling residential areas.

Do You have troubles in reading English text or You need a map of Lugansk Republic for 2015?

 the incoming azimuth mean the side from where rockets are launched.

https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/media/images/photographs/ukraine0315_presser_RESIZED.jpg

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To determine the direction of the attacks, Human Rights Watch examined rocket remnants, including the cargo, rocket motor, and tail sections of cluster munition rockets. In most cases, the tail sections were stuck in the ground, indicating the direction from which the rockets came. Human Rights Watch also analyzed craters and damage to buildings. In the cases Human Rights Watch investigated, the tail section also appeared to fly further than the submunitions, providing additional indication of the rocket’s direction.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/03/19/ukraine-more-civilians-killed-cluster-munition-attacks

A example of how is visible the direction http://www.ostro.org/lugansk/society/news/463493/

http://s15.stc.all.kpcdn.net/share/i/4/909024/wx1080.jpg

Do You see the "incoming azimuth"? Stakhanov City 2015


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Lieldoryn on March 29, 2017, 12:06:49 AM
How can you believe such a report? The second individual died from stress-related heart-failure as a result of shelling. How do they determine why he had a heart attack?As for photos with children then this is a posed shot. It is clearly seen that the rocket is inserted in the snow with his hands, and the children put in the frame to invoke pity. Typical propaganda.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: PeterTheGrape on March 29, 2017, 12:11:57 AM
Thread should be called 'How long will Eastern European Civil War last'.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Sex Video Chat VKcams.com on March 29, 2017, 12:27:42 AM
How can you believe such a report?

You have here 2 reports of 12 february 2015 shelling on Lugansk.
One from HRW, other from OSCE.

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On 12 February the SMM visited in Luhansk city a number of areas affected by shelling which occurred at 00:15hrs the same day. On Stara Mogila Street (approximately 6km south-east of the city centre), the SMM spoke to a de-mining team from the “ministry for emergency situations” of the “LPR” who said that they had removed from a children’s playground what they said was the body of a rocket fired by a Smerch MLRS. Based on the angle of the impact, which the SMM measured, the SMM estimated that the firing had originated from a north-westerly direction. On Oboronna Street the SMM observed the body of a rocket in the soil. Based on the diameter of the rocket and its marking, the SMM assessed it to be a Smerch and based on the angle of the impact, the SMM estimates that the firing originated from a north-westerly direction. At the Luhansk municipal bus company parking, located at Olega Koshevogo Street, the SMM observed the empty cluster cargo compartment of what it assessed to be the same type of rocket. The SMM observed damaged houses on Volgodonska Street. The damage to the buildings (broken windows, roofs, fences) was estimated by the SMM, based on the small size of the shrapnel and the high number of impacts on the wall, to have been caused by explosions of bomblets from cluster munitions. In Arkhticheska Street (approximately 1,2km east of the city centre) the SMM observed nine impacts – small craters – in the yard and on the roofs of buildings. Based on the small size of the impacts the SMM estimated that cluster munition was used.
...
http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/140521

OSCE is claiming in Ethnic Cleansing the Kiev forces.

Call them for more info and pictures, they will prowide about ability to determine the direction of  Smerch MLRS.
http://lugansk-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/TES1.jpg

https://quemadoinstitute.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/slavoct8m.jpg

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9gKNelCYAIJz1f.jpg

https://news.vice.com/video/vice-news-capsule-wednesday-february-11?utm_source=vicenewstwitter


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Bitexchange24 on March 29, 2017, 02:07:46 AM
There not 100% right


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Sithara007 on March 29, 2017, 06:49:17 AM
After the scandal with the booze in the Donetsk and disclosure of information on positions of the Ukrainian troops to trust the information the OSCE is not very desirable.

Yeah sure... we know that you don't want the OSCE in the frontline, as otherwise they will expose the current silent genocide being perpetrated by the Kiev junta against the civilian population of Donbass. The problems with scandal will go away if they refuse to report the rocket attacks, right?


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Forester618 on March 29, 2017, 11:35:42 AM
After the scandal with the booze in the Donetsk and disclosure of information on positions of the Ukrainian troops to trust the information the OSCE is not very desirable.

Yeah sure... we know that you don't want the OSCE in the frontline, as otherwise they will expose the current silent genocide being perpetrated by the Kiev junta against the civilian population of Donbass. The problems with scandal will go away if they refuse to report the rocket attacks, right?
The OSCE is in the frontline. Just this organization as the UN compromised. They do not trust anybody. The whole world knows who to blame for what is now happening in Ukraine and not only. No one believes Putin's propaganda. You better show the atrocities that's going on, the Russian army in Chechnya and in Syria.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Sex Video Chat VKcams.com on March 29, 2017, 11:56:18 AM
The whole world knows who to blame for what is now happening in Ukraine and not only.

What is Your version of Lugansk city shelling in data 12 february 2015 with Smerch MLRS with the firing originated from a north-westerly direction?

Other case of Smerch use.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PHRhMkEYrU

https://storage1a.censor.net.ua/images/9/3/6/a/936ad40729223e71dc90e978f487b6f7/original.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHrdHahrwsQ
Smerch MLRS

https://infokava.com/uploads/posts/2014-09/1411749882_gromadske.jpg

Grad


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Sex Video Chat VKcams.com on March 29, 2017, 12:11:34 PM
The problems with scandal will go away if they refuse to report the rocket attacks, right?

Check the face of destroyed Grad MLRS unit blaiming, that they are "Innocent in firing civilians"
https://youtu.be/nVPgIEYSwWc?t=8m57s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9iCq0k0PEY

The activity of defending civilians is published openly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JL72D2Pp1i4

Actual situation of locals under shelling on front line.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9pnyG4MCew (In Russian)

New shelling case of civilians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwcMMO8UI0Q


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Bjorn Ironside on March 29, 2017, 12:40:48 PM
Yes Russia as well as Belarus is the enemy of civilized democratic society, because there's still dictatorship in these countries


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: MattScott on March 29, 2017, 01:40:57 PM
Yes Russia as well as Belarus is the enemy of civilized democratic society, because there's still dictatorship in these countries
It seems to me that Russia is worse than Belarus. Formally, of course, and Putin and Lukashenko are dictators, but if Lukashenka is dangerous only for the people of this country that Russia is a threat to the world.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: NyeFee on March 30, 2017, 08:57:28 PM
Yes Russia as well as Belarus is the enemy of civilized democratic society, because there's still dictatorship in these countries
It seems to me that Russia is worse than Belarus. Formally, of course, and Putin and Lukashenko are dictators, but if Lukashenka is dangerous only for the people of this country that Russia is a threat to the world.
Very well noticed. About Russia you can not say anything, you will not hear anything new. This is the heiress of the Soviet Union, which means that the evil empire continues to exist in a different guise. But Minsk of its people begins to strangle with sophisticated taxes, because of what began to be wiped.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Lancusters on March 30, 2017, 09:23:22 PM
Yes Russia as well as Belarus is the enemy of civilized democratic society, because there's still dictatorship in these countries
It seems to me that Russia is worse than Belarus. Formally, of course, and Putin and Lukashenko are dictators, but if Lukashenka is dangerous only for the people of this country that Russia is a threat to the world.
Very well noticed. About Russia you can not say anything, you will not hear anything new. This is the heiress of the Soviet Union, which means that the evil empire continues to exist in a different guise. But Minsk of its people begins to strangle with sophisticated taxes, because of what began to be wiped.
Belarus is not much different from Russia. Lukashenko is a dictator like Putin, but the scale of the country and its capacity smaller. I am sure that Lukashenka dreams of reviving the Soviet Union. People like Putin and Lukashenko will never change.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Daniel91 on April 01, 2017, 02:32:38 PM
In my opinion, Russia and America will always have different interests and strategies in different parts of the world.
They are great powers and wants to influence all world, in political, economical way etc.
Because of it, they will always have some kind of conflicts, it's perfectly natural.
Russia is not democracy and in their history, since czars, Lenin, Stalin, until Putin, they always had strong leaders and no real political freedom.
Western values are different.
We glorify freedom, human right, free will etc.
So, it's obvious that America and Russia can temporally unite, like in first and second world war, or now in Syria (but not completely) but conflicts and different view about world issues will always remain.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Sex Video Chat VKcams.com on April 01, 2017, 02:47:02 PM
Russia is not democracy


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Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: kreskko on April 01, 2017, 08:37:27 PM
Do you personally know what democracy is and what are its bases for a civilized society? To read the lessons of literate people is One, but you must also have your own understanding.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Sex Video Chat VKcams.com on April 01, 2017, 08:47:00 PM
Do you personally know what democracy is and what are its bases for a civilized society? To read the lessons of literate people is One, but you must also have your own understanding.

What do You waiting to explain, how the apartheid is a part of "democratic country" and other shit, that You call "civilized society" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatemala_syphilis_experiment).


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: bra4our on April 01, 2017, 10:41:17 PM
In my opinion, its Terrorist organisations such as ISIS, AL QAEDA who are the real enemies in the modern world, The US and Russia became enemies because of the war, the three super powers instead of coming together decided to form allies, Britain sided with USA and this left Russia out and thus the start of the Cold War and the animosity between them that still stands today.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Sithara007 on April 02, 2017, 04:00:39 AM
In my opinion, its Terrorist organisations such as ISIS, AL QAEDA who are the real enemies in the modern world, The US and Russia became enemies because of the war, the three super powers instead of coming together decided to form allies, Britain sided with USA and this left Russia out and thus the start of the Cold War and the animosity between them that still stands today.

Historically, the Western nations have sided with anyone (including the radical Islamists) to defeat Russia and its allies (such as Serbia and Bulgaria). There are hundreds of examples, such as the Crimean war and the recent conflicts in Kosovo and Macedonia.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: PeterTheGrape on April 13, 2017, 04:55:05 AM
In my opinion, its Terrorist organisations such as ISIS, AL QAEDA who are the real enemies in the modern world, The US and Russia became enemies because of the war...

But what do you mean?

Is a person in isis or al qaeda the enemy, the way a person from Russia used to be?

Is there some deficiency in those isis al qaeda types the same way there used to be a deficiency in Russians? Or is it that isis alqaeda attracts stupid people who must be killed to prevent their becoming murderers? Are they treatable? Or only through a riflescope?


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: sportis on April 13, 2017, 10:29:07 AM
In the 1960s there were two superpowers. One superpower had ensured the possibility of eliminating the other and vice versa. This nuclear "balance of terror" that humanity has experienced so strongly with the missile crisis in Cuba 1962, was created a situation which was called MAD, or Mutually Assured Destruction. Nowadays, USA and Russia ensure a different way with a kind of balance of terror in Syria. Under this light is difficult someone to believe that both of them are friends. Is not that right?


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Barrymore on April 13, 2017, 10:36:59 AM
In my opinion, its Terrorist organisations such as ISIS, AL QAEDA who are the real enemies in the modern world, The US and Russia became enemies because of the war, the three super powers instead of coming together decided to form allies, Britain sided with USA and this left Russia out and thus the start of the Cold War and the animosity between them that still stands today.

Historically, the Western nations have sided with anyone (including the radical Islamists) to defeat Russia and its allies (such as Serbia and Bulgaria). There are hundreds of examples, such as the Crimean war and the recent conflicts in Kosovo and Macedonia.
Any civilized country always takes the side of a country that was attacked. Until the Imperial policy of Russia will not change on her side will only dictatorial regimes of the East and Asia.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Sithara007 on April 13, 2017, 10:42:04 AM
Historically, the Western nations have sided with anyone (including the radical Islamists) to defeat Russia and its allies (such as Serbia and Bulgaria). There are hundreds of examples, such as the Crimean war and the recent conflicts in Kosovo and Macedonia.
Any civilized country always takes the side of a country that was attacked. Until the Imperial policy of Russia will not change on her side will only dictatorial regimes of the East and Asia.

Yeah sure... so as per your logic, since the ISIS is under attack in Syria from the Russian warplanes, the NATO should support the ISIS. Wonderful! Reminds me of the support you gave to the Al Qaeda in the 1980s, when the Soviets were attacking them.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Barrymore on April 13, 2017, 10:47:09 AM
Historically, the Western nations have sided with anyone (including the radical Islamists) to defeat Russia and its allies (such as Serbia and Bulgaria). There are hundreds of examples, such as the Crimean war and the recent conflicts in Kosovo and Macedonia.
Any civilized country always takes the side of a country that was attacked. Until the Imperial policy of Russia will not change on her side will only dictatorial regimes of the East and Asia.

Yeah sure... so as per your logic, since the ISIS is under attack in Syria from the Russian warplanes, the NATO should support the ISIS. Wonderful! Reminds me of the support you gave to the Al Qaeda in the 1980s, when the Soviets were attacking them.
Still need to figure out who supports ISIS. I think that they are beneficial to all. When Russian sponsor them they create problems to the West, the Americans are sponsoring, they create problems for Assad. Muslims are nothing but to not fight and they are satisfied with this situation.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: criptix on April 13, 2017, 03:53:46 PM
Historically, the Western nations have sided with anyone (including the radical Islamists) to defeat Russia and its allies (such as Serbia and Bulgaria). There are hundreds of examples, such as the Crimean war and the recent conflicts in Kosovo and Macedonia.
Any civilized country always takes the side of a country that was attacked. Until the Imperial policy of Russia will not change on her side will only dictatorial regimes of the East and Asia.

Yeah sure... so as per your logic, since the ISIS is under attack in Syria from the Russian warplanes, the NATO should support the ISIS. Wonderful! Reminds me of the support you gave to the Al Qaeda in the 1980s, when the Soviets were attacking them.

Parallel universe much?  ;D


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: MattScott on April 13, 2017, 05:07:40 PM

So there was a russian genocide happening in crimea?

About what are You talking? Do You call the "Crimean Jew Republic" as "Russian"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aMtrynfJSw (In Russian)

You are confusing religion with ethnicity.

There are many Russians who are Jews, Muslims, Catholic or Atheist. 
They are all Russians.  They speak Russian at home, like to drink vodka, beat women,  and talk about the glory days of the Soviet Empire.
Or whatever you guys do in your spare time.

They think they are all better than anyone in the West.  Most of them think Americans are morons.

They are all Russians whether you like it or not.

So zatknis suka...
5+ totally agree with you. The Russians and their bears from a distant warm and fuzzy inside, and near as aggressive and angry.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: PeterTheGrape on April 13, 2017, 06:59:10 PM
In the 1960s there were two superpowers. One superpower had ensured the possibility of eliminating the other and vice versa. This nuclear "balance of terror" that humanity has experienced so strongly with the missile crisis in Cuba 1962, was created a situation which was called MAD, or Mutually Assured Destruction. Nowadays, USA and Russia ensure a different way with a kind of balance of terror in Syria. Under this light is difficult someone to believe that both of them are friends. Is not that right?

So called "mutually assured destruction" ultimately served only to pacify groups, not individuals.

Today the focus is increasingly to "suicide bombers" i.e., a natural threat that has existed since before humanity, rather than to artificial political things like m.a.d.

When you read about "suicide bombers" it is usually an article that discredits or mocks them, which is good as it discourages copycats, but if somebody does not understand the basis for the psychology of "suicide bombers" then they are missing history, and that is a lot of people.

A society cannot exist unless it has the mentality among its citizens of an archetypal "suicide bomber". When a people is pacified to the extent that the archetype is not visible then invariably it leads to a sort of natural purge in that society i.e., turmoil etc.

The nonsense of 'Russia vs the U.S.' or 'country a vs country b' is very dangerous in today's world.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Marcus_2017 on April 13, 2017, 07:34:29 PM
How do you know that Russian missiles capable of reaching America? Russians might be bluffing. All the weapons Russia inherited after the Soviet collapse. Of new technologies no. The Russians seem to be strong only through propaganda.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: PeterTheGrape on April 13, 2017, 09:32:51 PM
How do you know that Russian missiles capable of reaching America? Russians might be bluffing. All the weapons Russia inherited after the Soviet collapse. Of new technologies no. The Russians seem to be strong only through propaganda.

Russia has plenty of money to get nukes.

After the fall of the Soviet Union, the United States purchased billions of dollars worth of highly refined nuclear material and lots of prepared armaments.

With all that cash Russia could buy any weapons it wants, except the people who got the cash are mostly in Europe now probably.

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Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: Alexzap on April 13, 2017, 11:56:28 PM
How do you know that Russian missiles capable of reaching America? Russians might be bluffing. All the weapons Russia inherited after the Soviet collapse. Of new technologies no. The Russians seem to be strong only through propaganda.

Russia has plenty of money to get nukes.

After the fall of the Soviet Union, the United States purchased billions of dollars worth of highly refined nuclear material and lots of prepared armaments.

With all that cash Russia could buy any weapons it wants, except the people who got the cash are mostly in Europe now probably.

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Not so easy in the world to buy weapons of mass destruction, even if you have a lot of money. I'm not sure that all the old Russian weapons able to fight. Russian often bluffing.


Title: Re: Are the U.S. and Russia / Eastern Europe still enemies?
Post by: PeterTheGrape on April 14, 2017, 12:48:47 AM
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Not so easy in the world to buy weapons of mass destruction, even if you have a lot of money. I'm not sure that all the old Russian weapons able to fight. Russian often bluffing.

There was a reason so much money was paid... so long ago. What money can buy it has already bought.